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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: YGT on November 06, 2006, 11:02 PM
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Anyone know how many generations were made in 1" threaded? (Not taiwan)
I think I have an absolute first gen set allong with a second gen set.
But i have never really seen any real documentaion on these forks
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Let's see a pic...Fuzzynod Mark has a genuine set of SE made superforks on his condor, so we'll be able to check from that...have a look in the museum to cross reference...
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Hi there,
i will try and get pics up in the next day or so.
Are you sure that fuzzynod has super forks? as in the museum it shows just regular hoffman forks.
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Don't know - i thought they were still called superforks...check with Fuzzynod (mark)...he'll know for sure.
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i've got a threaded set on my Taj, some pics in museum, i can get better pics if needed ;)
i think the variations were mainly about the peg mounting bosses, some had threaded while others like mine had a hole in the rear you put a bolt through, i think mine were the last version of threaed superforks before inch-Ahead (which were cheaper as they were easier to make)
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The 2 sets I have are like this :
1" threaded with a stem with no logo - and has a large black nut that screws ontop of the stem (and peg mounts with removable threads and bolts)
1" threaded with a stem with with logo - and has a large bolt that screws down inside the fork (and peg mounts with removable threads and bolts)
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mine sound the same as the second pair you describe ;)
i think these are Taiwan made, the last before Ahead :-\
mine still have the stickers on too, in case you needed a good pic of those
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My Superforks are Taiwan made......They are 1" threadless with peg bosses and have the blue Superfork decals on them. I've given them hell over the years and they are still in top condition.
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could do with some early ones for my se condor :)
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could do with some early ones for my se condor :)
Have you not sold me that yet?! ;)
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Here are some photos of my 2 forks (adobe reader needed)
I have written on which versions I think they are ....... (if you have adobe reader 7.0.8)
http://www.byke.com/SUPERFORKS.pdf
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could do with some early ones for my se condor :)
I would be interested in that :)
I got a sweet se first gen big dadddy in close to mint, which may interest you
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could do with some early ones for my se condor :)
I would be interested in that :)
I got a sweet se first gen big dadddy in close to mint, which may interest you
lol it not for sale and won`t be for a long time
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Here are some photos of my 2 forks (adobe reader needed)
I have written on which versions I think they are ....... (if you have adobe reader 7.0.8)
http://www.byke.com/SUPERFORKS.pdf
mine ait the same as either of those, they are obviously the US made Superforks :coolsmiley:
mine are the first versions made in Taiwan & the last threaded Superforks
big silver top bolt like the second generation ones you have but the peg mount is right at the bottom & has no thread, you need to put a bolt through from the back
(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL23/1877918/8354558/112136860.jpg)
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Based on my experiences with taiwan, I am guesing the easiest way to tell the origin is by looking at the curve on the fork leg to the headtube.
Taiwanese forks (especially at this time) always used a large curve to allow max tire sizes (and most probably 31.89mm fork leg tubing) where as us made hoffman forks were less sharp bends and 29mm tubing.
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i'd have to go to the bike & check for sure on that ::)
i think we're pretty much there with identifying the different types tho :daumenhoch:
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1" Ahead Superforks were around during the US/Taiwan move. Mine were US, looked the same as Showtimes. My stem had the Bomber logo on it, the Taiwanese ones I believe had the more common HB stamp and also the two pinch bolts run the same way on US and in opposing directions on the Taiwan models.
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Hmmm
thats got me wondering again, i never even considered the stamped logo ::)
in that case mine are unstamped & have both stem pinch bolts going in same direction so they are likely to be USA made now :-\
i know my frames definitely USA made, be nice to think the forks are too :angel:
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how can u tell the difference from se models,ramp room ,and tai bikes
is it se on serial number on first model. rear or bb stamp on ramp room and curved chain stay suport and hb stamp in gusset on tai.
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Off the top of my head, I would say all mk1s were SE for sure and I'm pretty confident that the next version with the steeper headtube were SE also. Next version with the big gusset and revised seattube/chainstay area were ramproom if unstamped and Taiwan if stamped. Thereafter its Taiwan all the way.
I recall having to wait a long time before my 2nd Condor (ramproom model) turned up due to Mats slightly odd way of manufacturing/stock buying... Everything with was done in runs of 50; so if you missed the particular run for your bike you had to wait until everything else was made first. But Mat was skint and each run was funded by the sale of the last so I suppose there was no other way. I was happy to wait really :)
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SE made frames have a serial number on the dropouts (big daddys start with B"
Ramp room frames started to put gussets on their frames (start/mid production) , i dont think they had serials on (not sure on this) . I doubt any serials had a letter at the start like the SE made frames.
Taiwan frames have an HB logo stamped in the gusset.
During the cross over from ramp room to taiwan, we saw alot of old us stock being mixed with taiwan stuff for a good year.
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mine is B40114 inside of rear drop out ,nickel plated ,no hb stamp in gusset, flat bottom on chain stay support and 29mm forks.
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mine is B40114 inside of rear drop out ,nickel plated ,no hb stamp in gusset, flat bottom on chain stay support and 29mm forks.
Production #114 se racing made.
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and hear she is in all her glory
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bigdaddy003-1.jpg)
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what year roughly would this one be then ,as i have no clue.
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mine must be early as i don`t even have a serial number on mine , i wonder if fuzzynod does as his is a early one as well
also i thought big daddys came in 94 but could be wrong also get those aerospeeds off that hutch and give them to me to put on a proper hutch ;D
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Lyn Kastan designed the first condors .... maybe he made the very first gens of condors?
we need to ask brett downs if he knows ... he has registered on here as pwh4130
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I'm confident the first Condors were made by SE. I'm led to believe that the chainstay design (which is very SE looking) was done as a wee tribute, or recognition of some sort.
I would say that Harris' Big Daddy was made in 94, or early 95 at the very latest. My Condor was April 95 more or less and one one of the last of the ramproom models.
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another way to check if usa build is the dropouts , if they are 10 mm us - 14mm tiawan
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Lyn Kastan designed the first condors .... maybe he made the very first gens of condors?
we need to ask brett downs if he knows ... he has registered on here as pwh4130
I checked in Mats Biography according to him Linn Kasten designed and built the first 5 Condors which Mat and co tested and tried to Destroy but when it came to production he could'nt afford Linns prices so He got Mike Devitt of S.E Racing to build the first production ones.But it was taking 6 months a batch for S.E to build them and he could feel the initial rush of orders waining as people wer'nt prepared to wait that long He also felt that the S.E guys would stop 1/2 way through a run to do someone elses work.So thats when they set up the ramp room machine shop with Steve Gack as foreman.
It would appear that the first brochure was published whilst the S.E frames were being produced and that was in 92 according to the book.My bike was bought by Darren Glaggit as a frame and forks from Backyard in Hastings in late 92.It matches exactly the one in the brochure and is I believe a S.E built frame.It has no frame number and the relaxed head angle of the early frames.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/RIMG2759.jpg)
Check against the original Catalogue
Page1
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/Hoffman92cataloguePage1.jpg)
Page2
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/Hoffman92Cataloguepage2.jpg)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/Hoffman92Catalogue.jpg)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/Hoffman92Catalogue.jpg)
Also I have a copy of the first Bmx Plus Test from November 92 Carried out by Chris Potts of Potts mod fame.
Page 1
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/CondorTestPage1.jpg)
Page2
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/CondorTestPage2.jpg)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/CondorTestPage3.jpg)
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(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/CondorTestPage4.jpg)
Page5
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/fuzzynod/CONDOR/CondorTestPage5.jpg)
Check out the geometry on the last page these are the same as my bike so I think that maybe the S.E Condors at least did not have a frame number.
I hope this helps.
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mark you are such a very helpful person, so what was the answer?
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The answer of course, is no. :laugh:
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to be honest cant even remember the question ;D
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I just tossed a coin ;D
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im gutted just got set super forks on a frame i just got they are 1" threaded with flat section with unthreaded hole for peg .gutted because the are somewhat bashed fromt face of both drops have dents and scuffs.gutted as wanted to trade em for some other forks :LolLolLolLol: