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Title: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 01:46 PM
and what was it?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: MartyC on November 10, 2006, 01:49 PM
Looks like a question for Reilly1, must be back in the 70's as I'm sure the Torker frames were around for a fair while during the mid to late 70's and I don't think that they were the first  :-\
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: LucyLastic on November 10, 2006, 02:00 PM
choppers  :D
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 02:03 PM
BMX? - At a guess I'd say R&R '76?

Or a Jammin' Jimmy Weinert Stadium 1 also '76?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 02:05 PM
yep bmx. im trying to id  a frame. i got it in 1982/3 and it was used then, painted black, several times.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 02:10 PM
Do you have a picture? Does it have a gusset of any kind?

Looptail or not?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 02:16 PM
no, its harder that that moose, but i really would value your help.

i had a twin toptube bike in 82, i dont have it know, but would like to try and source one, as it was my main bike.

it was, like i say already used.  oval forks and downtube.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 02:25 PM
Oh........I get a feeling this is going to be a hard one   ???
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 02:50 PM
The only twintoptuber I can think of with an oval downtube was a first gen Vector freestyler, but they didn't come out until '83/'84 at the earliest. They also had a memerable shape, if you'd have had one you'd know it.

The only other thing I can think of is if it was a european manufacturer like Puegeot, Puch, MBK or BH. But I don't know if any of them specifically made a twin top tube bike with an oval down tube. Sorry
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: harris on November 10, 2006, 02:54 PM
i got offered one last week ,rubbish mags and parts frame was twin top tube oval forks and down tube and welds where not to good ,he thought it was a haro as it had decal on it but i put him right.will try for a pic if i can get hold of him again.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 02:56 PM
Harris to the rescue - This could be your lucky day Phil  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: harris on November 10, 2006, 02:59 PM
it had a raleigh burner crank to  :shocked:
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: dordymush on November 10, 2006, 02:59 PM
sounds a mean machine  ;).
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 10, 2006, 03:02 PM
sounds a mean machine  ;).

 :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Bob_Acid on November 10, 2006, 03:06 PM
i've seen a picture of a chrome TT frame with an oval downtube recently. Either on here or on os, i can't remember, but it wasn't that long ago.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 04:49 PM
go on harris.

i was told, at the time in 1982 or so that it was a pirahna.

now i saw a twin toptube pirahna on the bay recently with its original pads etc, very rare..

but the dropouts looked nothing like i remembered, in fact most of the identifying bits looked different.

i used to strip it regularly though, and polish it (my dad had it chromed) and i re decaled it with some "chosen" decals from halfords.

to sum up, i used to know the bike quite well, so im sure i would recognise it if i saw a pic of it.

its gotta be before 82/3 though.

i MAY, be wrong about the oval down tube, but it definately had oval forks.

what do you reckon the short list would be?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 04:51 PM
i know its a bit crap, not being sure about the downtube.

i thought my ace in the hole would be the fact that it was deffo before 83, and had a twin toptube.

thats gotta narrow it down a lot.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: harris on November 10, 2006, 04:54 PM
the one me mate has only has rub ons haro oakley type ,all the components are very low quality
it looks haro ish but deffo cheap copy type.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Rombloke on November 10, 2006, 06:22 PM
bobs right, sombody posted on here a tt frame with an aero down tube, thinking it was a gen 1.

we all said that it wasnt one, but for the life of me i cant think who posted it....damn my memory

Dave
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 06:24 PM
i didnt know any better at the time dan....mine could have been a gen one or a meteorlite and i wouldnt have known the difference.

i do now though.

it came as a f+f, the guy who had it wouldnt sell it for ages, as no one had seen a twin top tube before, we all had burners,

he eventually relented though, and once it was re chromed as a surprise, i was really proud of that bike.

you gotta remember, no one had ever seen a quad , ripper, haro freestyler, other than on bmx beat, and i only saw that once or twice.

bmx in the 80's for me was doing up whatever bits i could get my hands on, mostly burner stuff, and upgrading by swapping nicely restored crap, for slightly better quality rusty stuff.

that bike was my final upgrade, and it still had simplex mags, aeroyal seat, kenda whitewalls and copy cw's, so it was no money machine....

i would really like to id it if i can.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 06:26 PM
bobs right, sombody posted on here a tt frame with an aero down tube, thinking it was a gen 1.

we all said that it wasnt one, but for the life of me i cant think who posted it....damn my memory


well think harder dave!


l

Dave

well think harder dave!

lets face it, there is no where else on this planet that we will be able to id a bike in my mind, other than radbmx.

take it as a challenge...
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: harris on November 10, 2006, 06:27 PM
i will try to see him tommorrow if hes about.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 10, 2006, 08:23 PM
do you reckon this is oval?


i dont recognise the dropouts.

and the forks are non original.


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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v603/kdw712/piranha/freestyle1.jpg)
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: jT Racing on November 11, 2006, 01:00 PM
(http://www.os-bmx.com/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1520)
was it a hyper
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Jazzchimp on November 11, 2006, 03:53 PM
Bet it was early as most bikes ran double top tubes from chopper to budgies to this bike I had in the early 70's (see pic). so must have been a simple progression to build bmx's in the same way.

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v636/Jazzchimp/prebmx2.jpg)
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 11, 2006, 05:01 PM
I didn't think Hyper's were pre '82?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 13, 2006, 04:43 PM
so what year did hypers appear?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: jT Racing on November 13, 2006, 08:18 PM
so what year did hypers appear?

early eighties.
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: OrgasmDonor on November 16, 2006, 06:16 PM
checkout the twin top tubes in a couple of riellys pics in the corona thread in racin section 1976
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: theRuler on November 17, 2006, 03:43 AM
yeh reilley's real old twin top tuber looks like one of the first

Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: oberonspacefruit on November 17, 2006, 08:34 AM
bit difficult to see the details of the bike though...
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: theRuler on November 17, 2006, 08:46 PM
doh i meant the one he posted pics of that he built, iirc

i cant remember what the name of it was. centurion? or something.
twin top with really low top tubes and long seat tube bit sticking out.
i will have a trawl back through his posts . . .
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: theRuler on November 17, 2006, 08:48 PM
i think it was this one

1977

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=5536.0

no pics though?
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: theRuler on November 17, 2006, 09:00 PM
here

(http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/sidehackguy/CENT3.jpg)
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: theRuler on November 17, 2006, 09:02 PM
and here is a 76

(http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/rodmiles/CenturionTeamReplica04.JPG)
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: jT Racing on November 17, 2006, 09:39 PM
here

(http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/sidehackguy/CENT3.jpg)

this is without a doubt one of the coolest bmx's ever. 8)
Title: Re: when did the first twin toptube bike appear?
Post by: Moose on November 18, 2006, 01:24 AM
BMX? - At a guess I'd say R&R '76?

Or a Jammin' Jimmy Weinert Stadium 1 also '76?

Those Centurion's were made by R&R  :daumenhoch:
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