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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: harris on November 17, 2006, 11:12 PM
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right youve got a good mid school frame and forks
and want to build it up,what are the best parts you
would throw at it.
then i might build one up mixing up your parts.
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Profile cranks, S&M Slam bars & SuperPros do it for me :daumenhoch:
oh yeah, no Gyro & long flapping rear brake cable too ::)
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Just have a look at your stash Dan, you have all the must have bits :daumenhoch:
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BTW you'll need to cut about 2 inches off each end of the bars too if you wanna be true midschool :angel:
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dan tries to fix bikes not cut bits of them :LolLolLolLol:
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Maybe Standard 6 piece bars. You could go with a gyro, AD990 of course and maybe an ACS Boa up front or an AD on a plate.
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A Reaction Megabrake.
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Freestyle or race????
:) DINGO :)
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well i would say street freestyle .but ha who nows i just fancy putting a good quality mid together as i have some spare parts and fancy another build.
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I have a Snap magazine here from 99 and Dans list some nice parts:-
Profile cranks,cassette hubs,stems and seatpost clamps
S&m bars and Challenger stems
Crupi,Primo,Odyssey,Araya,Redline, Technique also had nice stuff in the 90's
Spin ,Sun,Peregrine all had wheels out
king,Dia Compe,Ringle,and FSA had headsets
Loads to choose from :daumenhoch:
:) DINGO :)
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A Reaction Megabrake.
Yeah, i was gonna say that but some peeps don't like to drill their forks out...... I loved mine when I had it on my 94 Condor :)
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I have one for sale ::)
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Hmmmm...for me it's got to be anything Hoffman (surprise, eh?!). But really; AD990, Bulldog calipers, GT Profile Cranks and Odyssy bits and pieces are the staples for a mid-school build...and in the later 90's I would say Primo made an impact with tyres and Powerbite cranks (they used to do some great colours).
Super-high end you only really had JAD which seemed to be really overpriced and a bit wierd. Don't know how good they were.
:daumenhoch:
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well super pro`s for start`s ,rl tyres or peregrine hp tyres . tnt stuff like stems and yep profile or early primo stuff
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These:-
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/floval009.jpg)
and these:-
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/04022006002.jpg)
:daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
:) DINGO :)
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likin them dingo
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First gen love handles made in the usa, with removable grip tubes
Second gen super rare team issue - usa made love handles with welded grip yubes and small gussets.
Jad sherman
GT Flat back power series cranks
Bully fork with canti mounts and some weird lever at the back of them.
Standard bike co u brake forks with special 990 brake (looked like a first gen suntour)
Standard suntour shell.
Basic Bike Co. aura frame.
There was some awful frames out at that time like :
Ketch
Fly'n W frame
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I've got a Standard Coaster shell, also for sale.
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Peregrine, TNT, JP, JAD, Crupi, Odyssey, Jive Handles, GT Profiles, GT Mallet stem & Shimano Pedals (still sought after), ACS Boa & ACS Tires, Tech 77s etc....
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Peregrine, TNT, JP, JAD, Crupi, Odyssey, Jive Handles, GT Profiles, GT Mallet stem & Shimano Pedals (still sought after), ACS Boa & ACS Tires, Tech 77s etc....
Ooooo yeah, forgot about TNT! Sweeeet Stuff!!
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poor boy massive shorts. crap low top airwalks. big t-shirts.
no jad stuff because no-one ever bought it.
it was s&m. or standard. hoffman for the neutrals.
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i have acs boa front/rear
tnt syem
6 piece bars
perigrine stem
-err spme other shite
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King Pins :coolsmiley:
some of the Stewart King clamp on forks, so strong they can rip the headtubes out of unworthy frames :daumenhoch:
Primo V Monster tyres :coolsmiley:
Profile Whippit chainrings, Trifans for an early 90's look :coolsmiley:
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poor boy massive shorts. crap low top airwalks. big t-shirts.
no jad stuff because no-one ever bought it.
it was s&m. or standard. hoffman for the neutrals.
Bloody hell. Thats hit the nail on the head right there :) Just about sums it up.
Although because I was old during the midschool, I never felt the urge to join sides (s&m/standard). I went for Hoffman simply because he inspired me to get back on a bike - seemed like the right thing to do.
DK stems unless you had a few quid, then it was TNT :)
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Se crow bars
powerlite clover stems
tnt
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this is mine to date not all mid but not to worried it'll do me
mid school hoffman big daddy
camacura pro 48's high wall
jad cranks
love bars
peregrine post
+ parts, rides great to .not every ones cup of t but different is good to. :)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/armmmmmmmmms034.jpg)
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I think that's F'n gorgeous mate!!! :4_17_5:
I picked up your black one on Saturday night....they don't arf weigh a bit! but look the Muts Nuts! :daumenhoch:
I'm loving some of the Mid stuff!! can't wait to get my Gay racer finished ;D
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Im almost there with 3 mid builds (big thanks to Harris).
Most of it will be along way off NOS but anyone who rode in the 90s will know that how the bikes looked!!
If things go well they will be a Early Dirtbike, a Holmes and a HAF.
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Claasics, one and all. I heard that the HAFs were supposed to be Dirt Bike geometry, but my mates one and subsequently other owners I've spoken to all said they rode very oddly indeed. Whats your take on that? Dirt Bikes always rode so nicely...
Remember Richard Brown snapping his chrome Dirt Bike at KOC one year coming up short on a flip?
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Richard Brown! The flying Postman. Thats a name I havent heard for a while. What a top man he was!
Ive never ridden a HAF before but it was said that they were the same geometry as a dirtbike (even tho that changed a few times). I bet the extra weight doesnt help the feel of the ride.
I'll let you know when mine is built. You can even have a go on the HAF and the (1991) Dirtbike back to back as they will all be very much riders!
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I got one of the first HAF frame and forks when they came out, and i must say it was a nasty frame to ride.
I was never a great fan of dirtbikes, but they were beutiful to ride compared to HAF frames.
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Funny that, isn't it? but I heard it a lot. Still, definately an icon.
As for Richard Brown, we had a falling out and I wouldn't now cross the street to piss on him. But thats a story for another time...
Rad as fook though, I used to love watching him ride.
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During the late years of the HAF (arround 1998) I heard a japanese distirutor ordered 50 HAF frames but 2" shorter on the top tube.
I am guessing he wanted them for flatland.
Funny thing was after after they made the top tube shorter, it was not possible to spin the bars as the front wheel hit the cranks
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Blimey. That was a cock up.... so no choice but to run short cranks then...
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While on the S&M thing i wonder how many original Mad Dog frames are still around?
Homeless used the same (Dirt Bike) frames for the original Mack frame as i recall they were also pretty cool.
Also, does anyone remember the 2B 'Tenth' frame?
IMO the HAF sucked ass by the way, the massive seat tube also made it an ugly bike to look at, the platform Dirt Bike was way nicer.
Didn't Homeless use those for the 'Soul Bro'? I'm rambling now :crazy2:
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I do not have an answer for a single one of those questions/statements....... :-[
Except I thought there was an old/rejected batch of Standards that turned into summat else - Homeless I thought.... James Shepherd yeah?
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I always saw the HAF as part joke, part reaction to Standard frames. They were well built and well engineered but I dont think much thought was put into the type of riding it was intended for and the frames geometry. At the time lots of bikes had massive dropouts that hung way down below the peg (like standards) as a sort of spoke guard. I always thought this was awful and made the chainstay the dropout get in the way for grinds. The HAF went the other way and cut the drop out just below the peg bringing everything out of the way for grinds. It got loads of stick for this (including on the frame test in Invert) but it worked great, and is how most new school drop outs are now. (Im not sure why the HAF drop out was so big ABOVE the peg tho!).
I almost got a HAF in 1994 but I got another Dirtbike instead. Im glad I didnt get a HAF but now I kinda wish I'd got a menstural cycle (S&M spin off company, a bit like Fit are).
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I had a Menstrual Alex, It was not a great frame, the front end was really stiff (good) but it made the back end super flexy, the geometry was fantastic as an all-rounder but i just couldn't live with the back end flex, maybe thats why it was such a short lived frame.
You're dead right about the HAF, not a lot of thought and an attempt to get in on the Standard Lengthy (awesome frame)/ Big Daddy game.
I remember Ride did a 3 way test with Stu Dawkins and i recall the HAF didn't do too well.
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Menstrual..... What was his name again? Jeez, my memory... :-[
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keith trenor
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John Dye had a menstrual for quite a while and loved it. I asked him, not long ago, if he still had it and he said he sold it for a tenner. I never rode one but I know that Keith Trenor ... well ... John Povah actually, put a lot of thought into it.
I remember the HAF test that had afro's Stu doing a wall ride and Ian Morris doing a well step rail (showing perfectly how great the drop outs worked). I need to dig out that mag to try and make the frame decals.
I would think the Mad Dog frame is the hardest S&M to find (well, it is the oldest). I read on the G-sport page that "G" made the custom canti brakes on his bike out of the seat stays from a Mad Dog frame. Id have bought him a length of new tube to make his brakes for that frame. hell, Id have bought him some new canti brakes!
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What makes that worse is that George's home made frame was a shed!
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Keith Treanor (sp). That was it, cheers. Doing my head in for a minute there. And John Povah, did he go on to be involved in Eastern?
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I do not have an answer for a single one of those questions/statements....... :-[
Except I thought there was an old/rejected batch of Standards that turned into summat else - Homeless I thought.... James Shepherd yeah?
May have been Family Bikes? That was where James went after Homeless
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What makes that worse is that George's home made frame was a shed!
Mick Moore (mr. pants - remember him?) said to me at a bike show one time 'if that fcucking george french tries to engineer me one more time I will iron him out for sure' made me laugh for hours that did ;D
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James did family bikes (I dont think they ever had a frame out)
John Povah is now the BMX team manager for Etnies!
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old standards became basics ....
homeless became nothing else (it always built its own frames)
basic made a frame called the street fighter which was the same as the dirtbike but with a 0.49 rear triangle
dirt bros used to recycle old skyway ta frames and redline forks.
jon dye did all the artwork for the menstral cycles.
john povah designed the HAF as far as i know.
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And DJ is Haro Team Manager.............
how the fook did that happen??!!
I love him to bits, mind you - I hope he does really well. Just a little surreal....... :crazy2:
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Basics. there you go.
Dirt Bros. used to stick a gusset in the TAs I'm told..
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The only TA i ever saw with a gusset was Gerry's
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glad you lot are about now do i date my sta and lengty frames
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I only ever heard about them, never saw one for myself.
My friend and I saw Gerry ride at Radlands one time and that inspired my mate to go find a TA and weld some ad lugs onto it. that was his rider until he came home from the states with a Lengthy a couple of years later.
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Dirt Bros TAs, that is.....
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I dont know how involved Povah was with the HAF but he did the Menstural with Keith.
Basic were Canadian, ay? but did look very similar to standards. They had a massive kink in the top tube so they couldnt have been old standards, but who knows. I have got a pair of Basic bars I was going to put on my HAF ... just to make sure!
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glad you lot are about now do i date my sta and lengty frames
Should be easy enough. Early ones had no strengthening plates near the headtube.
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glad you lot are about now do i date my sta and lengty frames
In my experience the Serial No on Standards usually starts with a letter (month) and then 4 or 5 numbers, the first two of which denote the year of manufacture, then another letter but i dont know what that means. Are your numbers similar to this?
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i will go looky
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I think the 5th number tells you how many Mustangs Rick bought in that month. ha ha
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I think the 5th number tells you how many Mustangs Rick bought in that month. ha ha
:LolLolLolLol:
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He does rule though!
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I dont know how involved Povah was with the HAF but he did the Menstural with Keith.
Basic were Canadian, ay? but did look very similar to standards. They had a massive kink in the top tube so they couldnt have been old standards, but who knows. I have got a pair of Basic bars I was going to put on my HAF ... just to make sure!
The standard boys made an order with there frame maker and had some sort of falling out.
the frame maker then went to a contest and cecil miligan from basic bought those frames and rebranded them while rick went to waterford to get them to build his frames.
after basic sold out of the first batch of frames, they changed there design a little so they wouldnt look so similar
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Rick was unreal. I almost got a standard JUST cos of how Rick rode!
So so good. There is some footage of him riding on line. Its the stuff from a BSD vid. I'll try and get the link
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I remember the one you mean alex it was called the Sluggo i think, didn't Morgan have one?
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the sta is hard to read as its painted n filled some it looks like K 94 83 10mm drop outs
lengthy m 95 255 10mm rear drop oyts but someone opened them to 14mm :tickedoff:
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that means the first letter probably doesn't denote the month!
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Rick was unreal. I almost got a standard JUST cos of how Rick rode!
So so good. There is some footage of him riding on line. Its the stuff from a BSD vid. I'll try and get the link
I've been out to Standard a couple of times and watching Rick ride at Rampage and on a street session is amazing!
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the sta is hard to read as its painted n filled some it looks like K 94 83 10mm drop outs
lengthy m 95 255 10mm rear drop oyts but someone opened them to 14mm :tickedoff:
So i think it's a 94 STA (1st gen?) and a 95 lengthy.
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I went to visit cecil in 1997 cos the mates I was with knew him. There wasnt much going on at "Basic" and they didnt have much stock ... or staff ... or anything really. (Not that any of that is a bad thing). Basic did a show at some big event and Osato and Saggity rode. Then we bought the Bars Ive got, and headed south.
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the k is the one i guessed at as its the hardest to c but looks similar
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cheers for help with id
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What is going on?! There is some REAL mid school chat going on now! No-one has said a thing about Haro, GT, and any of the other bad bikes that were around (Haro and GT really were terible in the 90s). Its all just about the first rider owned companies who were trying to make good bikes!!
Well done us!! ha ha
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I did ride a bashguard Sport around 91 :-[
To be honest it was an ace bike!
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taiwan nuf said
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I rode an 84 Haro till 89, then a bash guard bully for a year till my S&M in 91.
Now that bashguard bully was a nice bike!!!
NOT!
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.....then this one for a while......
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=17128.0
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Zimma's! Steve could still bunny hop higher than anyone else, even though his bike was twice as heavy. And to do tooth picks on street he had to hop 6 inches higher than anyone else cos the pegs were lower than the axle!
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Yeah, i couldn't handle the forks and sold them to Ronnie Remo i think, the offset pegs caused a lot of trouble!
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Tim Ruck learned toothpicks on mini's on Geoff Cains Zimma so put an order in for one straight away. He didnt keep it for long, and Im not sure he can do toothpicks anymore!
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Thats two names i haven't heard for a long time!
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I spoke to them both today.
Tim has a BMX shop in Exeter (a BMX shop that DIDN'T stop selling bikes and change to records in the 90s... Alans who?)
Geoff still rides BMX and motorbikes (track and enduro) and lives in Oxford (in the same house as me till not long ago)
Both still top men!
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Here`s a pic of another members Zima, his nick name is Ben Hur due to the size of the pegs :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v472/billstup/zima.jpg)
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Thats a later zima. Its got a seat clamp with adjustable seat post, and also the pegs are level with the wheel nuts.
What a ride!
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wow what a mad ride ,im likin it thou :daumenhoch:
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Heavy as fook, the tubes are that big they look like scaffolding :daumenhoch:
Glen, the owner, was still riding this a little while ago, he said that at the time when he bought it from Steve Geall you could chose weather you wanted a fixed seat post or the one he had, which was nice :daumenhoch:
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i liked the chainstays on the Zima's with the right one joining the left & the wraparound gusset
not sure how strong/stiff it was but it looked like it was :coolsmiley:
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It kinda made a "Z" for Zima behind the BB too.
I loved that the seat stays passed right over the drop outs making them very hard to bend ... if you can actually bend a 10mm thick drop out! ha ha
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Tim Ruck and his 72 spoke 'Truck' wheels !!
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christ.. i go to the pub and you post 4 pages...
somewhere in a shed in shropshire, is standard shorty frame number 1. no year, just "1". the first 20 frames made in waterford had no numbers, so when i think rick wagner and krt went to pick them up they stamped 1 to 20 on them. me and will evans just returned to iowa from a mammoth 6000 mile roundtrip (2 hip in sacramento and on an airforce base, austin with sheps, just as he was not starting anything with family, then onto the hb warehouse when it was the park and the legendary halfpipe in the warehouse.. i remember talking about john barnes with jay miron, now that is surreal. oh ey off on a tangent) so ANYWAY evsy had preordered one of these shorties so i said "dude get number one". so he did. so i have to work on the chappy he sold it to to get it out in the open again..
to confirm the initial basics thing, the superheavy prototype standards were made in davenport by an engineering company, standard realised just how many flaws there could be so looked elsewhere. waterford used to make all the really highend schwinn bikes, marco massei (who launched props with chris rye) recommended them, i think within 6 months standard had over half their business.
ON ANOTHER related thread. standard set the benchmark. their frames were great, they had all the riders and it's so weird how all the newer rider companies are offshoots from mainly ex-standard riders.. i know rick has ideas and opinions but it's so weird how standard got "edged out" by pissed off exriders appearing cooler with in my opinion not as good products.. t1? you're having a laugh. ok i'll shut up now. night night.
one last thought imagine a zima with kingpins. you'd have a hernia getting that in a car!
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I KNOW I KNEW ANOTHER ANSWER!!
2b "tenth" frames were re-stickered "BADD AND CO" race frames, a company based in urbana illinois (another side story, i lived there for a year and never ever knew badd and co were based there, haha) they bought em up after badd and co went tits up.
did anyone else here encounter just how homoerotically perverse most midwestern riders were in the mid90s (just got a flashback of hal brindley of 2b on the baco uncut raw footage i saw once... oh christ, find a happy place...)
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KingPins
the forks that ripped headtubes out of unworthy frames :shocked:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b362/showtime777/th_pins001.jpg)
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Phew, chris. Glad you made it! Good job of posting 4 pages worth of small replys in one go.
Very interesting reading, thanks. I bet that No. 1 standard frame would be sought after now. It wasnt long ago that standard frames were still being given away but I think its coming round now.
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what would you say was the worst ever midschool frame?
all these ones that some halfwit made, did adverts for 3 months and hada test
ketch??
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can this be on a new thread? this one is getting tooooooooooo long
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what would you say was the worst ever midschool frame?
all these ones that some halfwit made, did adverts for 3 months and hada test
ketch??
the raleigh ferret had the worst name!!!
closely followed by the gary fisher pure bender. LOL
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yeah i think the MTB companys jumping on the BMX bandwagon definitely had the worst frames ::)
everything had interrupted seat tubes ::) or tubing more suited as Oil-rig legs ::)
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I KNOW I KNEW ANOTHER ANSWER!!
2b "tenth" frames were re-stickered "BADD AND CO" race frames, a company based in urbana illinois (another side story, i lived there for a year and never ever knew badd and co were based there, haha) they bought em up after badd and co went tits up.
did anyone else here encounter just how homoerotically perverse most midwestern riders were in the mid90s (just got a flashback of hal brindley of 2b on the baco uncut raw footage i saw once... oh christ, find a happy place...)
I've heard some stories! Krt, DeGroot, Friemuth, and that other Baco guy who's name escapes me (the fruitiest one of the lot) they got up to some crazy stuff!
Mark Hilson? He had a really large head! But they were a strange bunch to say the least!
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mark hilson yes.. all fruity. but nice guys. did ya see the jerry springer with hilson and degroot - "we act gay to get the girls" think it was an extra on baco 6 or 7..
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mark hilson yes.. all fruity. but nice guys. did ya see the jerry springer with hilson and degroot - "we act gay to get the girls" think it was an extra on baco 6 or 7..
Gotta love the silver jump-suit!
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I'm loving this thread :daumenhoch:
I was only talking about that Springer thing the other day ;D
Also, I saw an old friend at the urban games this year - Mike O'Connell - he told me he'd been to big Rick's 40th jam and had come home with a piece of wood from Rampage (r.i.p.), I'm sure thats now on his mantlepiece :)
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who was the chap with the mahooosive afro
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Stu Dawkins, owner of Backyard/Seventies.
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and owner of Federal ... or is it best not to go there?
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thats him we went to a big gap compo .camping and getting merrily weathered in 1998 i think and his hair was mad
some brocken bones that day .near manchester
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and owner of Federal ... or is it best not to go there?
I heard things were not rosy, I thought him and Morris would be together forever! Or have i heard wrong? is it an amicable thing?
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I dont know the whys and what for's. Just that
Stu = Seventies & Federal
Ian = 4 Down & United.
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is that ian morris .he could ride well done some mad rails and some scary backflips
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Yes, Mozza. He still totally rips. Check out his section on the Federal video, back when he still owned (part owned) Federal.
Now most of the Federal riders have come with him to United, and some of the Seventies staff have come with him to 4 Down.
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......and your long-time team mate Alex!
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Oh yes. Me and Ian go way back
(pics from the S&M UK tour, 1994, with me, Ian, Fids, Dean Hearne, and Edd from dig ... and some girls!)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/sandmtrip05.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/sandmtrip02.jpg)
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great pic mate are you trying to cop a hand full :daumenhoch:
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Sadly, Ian Morris and I never saw eye to eye........ Best leave it there.
Good luck to him in the future, he was a pioneer for sure - backwards rails and frontflips - got to give him respect for that.
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Fids in the legendary Lord Tiny Penis shirt, I had a couple of those, still got them actually i never got rid of any of my t shirts ive got boxes full!
Mid school was all about the T shirts!
....and how young does Dean Hearne look!!
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yep the t s where a massive thing and my first introduction to duffs and first move away from vans .
but still ware both.
ian would do riding still attached to his ruck sack. :)
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dean and m. findley rock , ive known mark since he was 16 and into his vert skating.
lord stuff took off big time , i still got the first jacket they made , sadly all my lord tee s trashed and long gone
my buddy still has mk 1 king forks and stem but he wont part with them
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Canterbury had such a good ammount of riders turn up at that local bus station.
I saw mark has a mysace account also now ......
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thats right ygt, we had a great scene in canterbury,herne bay and ashford.
the bus depot set ups were rad,u and sonic put hours of labour into place
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i`ve got a load of old pics from caterbury bus station from riding there back in 93,94 i think . i have to get my scanner working one day