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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: mark 2 on March 13, 2007, 05:14 PM
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I was curious where the boundries lay with what's considered a survivor. I'm presuming it 's obviously at least an unrestored frame and forks with original paint, but if any parts are nos or restored does it fall outside of the realms of a survivor? Is it just something that's been at the back of a shed for 25 years and untouched?
Thanks for your input, your all smashers.... :daumenhoch:
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Survivor has to be untouched IMO.
I would imagine you could put new air in the tyres if necessary! :LolLolLolLol:
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what about greese and oil :LolLolLolLol:
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Unrestored F+F and unrestored parts :daumenhoch:
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mines got new tyres tho lol
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So what if you got it as a frame and fork or as a complete bike but someone else has put new parts on it and you've replaced those? Still a survivor?
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This is a good question.
Could I take a survivor and replace 'sub-standard' survivor parts with a better standard of survivor parts?
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I would say the moment you add anything its not a survivor ( bar ffs Air , polish , oil Greese ) LOL
although to be fair you could add used parts and then say that you found it like that ? so that makes a mockery of a sham of this definition ;D
but it has to be a full bike and no new parts added after you found it
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i think all of our rides are survivors
Dave
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I would say the moment you add anything its not a survivor ( bar ffs Air , polish , oil Greese ) LOL
although to be fair you could add used parts and then say that you found it like that ? so that makes a mockery of a sham of this definition ;D
but it has to be a full bike and no new parts added after you found it
So, a survivor (read as previously used and not NOS) frame & fork can be called a survivor and built with used parts and remain a survivior but build it with new or NOS parts and it's no longer a survivor :-\.
So what is it then?
This is all too confusing :LolLolLolLol:
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there should be no class in any show for "survivor"
it's too wooly a section
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id say a survivor is a bike made from non restored parts inc f&f for the simple reason that if you found a "survivor" in someones garage whos to say it hadnt been put together half an hour before you got there ? with used to parts from the bay ?
you dont know do you ? so to have a level playing field whats fair for everyone and eliminates any cheating you make it so as long as it has no repops decals etc, it hasnt been rechromed or powdered and all the parts are old old school then it qualifies as a survivor
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Exactly my point flaz
so to avoid confusion , survivor is old parts , no retoration bar a clean ?
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how clean is a clean?
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its turning into a farce
heres the best way
judges desision is final
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I think you could tell a true survivor to one that has been "improved"
Take the Gen 1 that Harris took to MK last year, or the Redline that Vinoah found. Now they are survivors.
I don't think you should even be allowed to clean them! ;)
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how clean is a clean?
:LolLolLolLol:
I'm guessing I put my ELF in the wrong class at MK last year then ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g114/martycoughlin/IMG_0473.jpg)
(http://midwestgarrison.com/forum/images/smiles/whistling.gif)
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(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bmx10e.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bmx12e.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bmx6e.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bmx4e.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/bmx15e-3.jpg)
bless it lol
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what a fooking shed ;)
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hahahah
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still got it?
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I think you could tell a true survivor to one that has been "improved"
Take the Gen 1 that Harris took to MK last year, or the Redline that Vinoah found. Now they are survivors.
I don't think you should even be allowed to clean them! ;)
it broke my heart to clean this
i would have left all the spiders webs on it
ps i did buy a nos set of mxII decals dated 1979,and correct for this bike
but me and the fella who it belongs to
just couldt bring ourselves to use them
so it stays as is for evermore
spent the last 24 yrs in a shed,like all survivors should
other than the profile,that was found under a huge pile of horse kahkah ;)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f278/vin501/johns-bmx-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f278/vin501/whole-bike-two.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f278/vin501/redline-brute-stem-close-up.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f278/vin501/skyway-front-close-up.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f278/vin501/cromo-decal.jpg)
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Yep, Dans Haro, Steves Redline, Dordymush's Skyway (I think it was his, was at Epic) and Bigdogs Sport sum up "Survivor" for me
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still got it?
o yes ,still looks the same not touched it apart from blue front skyway that i swop with the zed every now and then.
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judges decision. if you look at dans bike you can tell its not been touched.
people like these kind of bikes as survivors.
if you clean one, add old parts, change decals, you are moving away from it looking lke one.....survivors always have the wrong colur stuff...mismatched parsts etc and thats there charm.....start adding other stuff and they look less and less like a survivor, thus reducing your chances of winning.....
plus what is the point of winning a 6 quid trophy, knowing that your "survivor" is not?
your only fooling yourself, its not big, and its not clever....
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v260/oberonspacefruit/hkkghkg.jpg)
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and why dont i own them bars then a come on tell me come on . :(
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cos theyre full of the zone of action.
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o yes ,still looks the same not touched it apart from blue front skyway that i swop with the zed every now and then.
Tut tut :police:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/o140/thebigdog25/harosport.jpg)
i picked this up about a month ago.and havent touched it at all,and i wont be. :daumenhoch:
seems as it's a gen 2 torker sport.
like someone said i think you can tell if a survivor has been touched or not . :-\
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Ok, I'm new to all thi , so (probably a rediculous question) please bare with me...
I have my last 2 complete race bikes (20 & 24inch) in the garage, untouched, as they stood after my last race in 1991, complete with rust, spiderswebs and flat tyres. Would these be considered survivors or are they not "old school" enough to be considered a "survivor"? :-\
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Ok, I'm new to all thi , so (probably a rediculous question) please bare with me...
I have my last 2 complete race bikes (20 & 24inch) in the garage, untouched, as they stood after my last race in 1991, complete with rust, spiderswebs and flat tyres. Would these be considered survivors or are they not "old school" enough to be considered a "survivor"? :-\
Mid school survivor?
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Ok, I'm new to all thi , so (probably a rediculous question) please bare with me...
I have my last 2 complete race bikes (20 & 24inch) in the garage, untouched, as they stood after my last race in 1991, complete with rust, spiderswebs and flat tyres. Would these be considered survivors or are they not "old school" enough to be considered a "survivor"? :-\
Mid school survivor?
Aaarrhhh, that simple huh ::) Thanks.
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i have a new school survivor
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Three survivor examples.
Survivor means different things to different people.
This is my first real bike,it's a true survivor even though it's in awesome shape for it's age.
1982 Silver Streak,all OG except for the grips & pedals,those were changed out BITD after wearing out.
Bought this brand new BITD,went into hiding in 87 & dug back out in 05.
Very little rust & all OG decals,there are some scratches here & there but that's because I rode it/jumped it/wrecked it BITD as well as today.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/my82ss.jpg't=1173940072)
Most consider a survivor a bike that was found pretty much untouched since BITD,whatever parts were on it didn't matter,it just had to be completely restoration free & kept as found.
Cleaning the dirt/spider webs/dust/mud or whatever off of it does not make it any less of a survivor,refinishing it/replacing decals/replacing parts/swapping parts does make it less a survivor.
Now if you found an old school bike that some kid was riding down the road & said here's some money,he sold it to ya & you noticed while stuffing it in your trunk,it had mid/new school parts on it then it's not quite survivor.While parts of it may be others are not so you could say partial survivor but that confuses even more,best bet is if left as found & it does not have wrong era parts on it consider it survivor.
This is also considered survivor,1979 DB Sr Pro,though it's been built up once it's not been altered since BITD & looks brand new.
It still has the shop decal on it,sat as a display for years,the chrome looks like a mirror & the decals didn't even yellow & are OG not repro,there's slight rusting behind the gusset plates though. :'(
I can't make myself build it & steal it's virginity,the headset was never greased nor the bottom bracket when it had cranks cuz it was a display. :LolLolLolLol:
I got this after it was parted out,I would have loved to have gotten it complete. :'(
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/79DB%20Large%20Pro/79DBa.jpg't=1173942122)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/79DB%20Large%20Pro/79DBd.jpg't=1173942392)
This is a pair of bikes a friend mentioned to me that his brother has,he got them BITD & they've been hanging in his barn (Shed) for well over 10 years.
Total survivors for sure,just not as good of condition as my first two examples.
A Kuwihara of some sort.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/a.jpg't=1173944165)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/j.jpg't=1173944244)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/k.jpg't=1173944273)
And a Dyno.
This pic was taken just as the power went out. :tickedoff:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/c.jpg't=1173944330)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/e.jpg't=1173944426)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/f.jpg't=1173944466)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b13/joecustom/g.jpg't=1173944494)
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some nice finds there :)