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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Stace on April 20, 2007, 11:51 PM
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its OUR era but alot of people seem to be moving on......................I'm not talking about riders, I can understand a new skool to ride/thrash, but alot of people seem to be moving onto mid skool, new skool etc.
So whats the crack? Is it cause we live in the UK and most of the decent rides have been done a hundred times? ( if ya look on Vintage they still keep pullng bikes out of there arses !!)
Is it because of the ridiculous prices? Burners for over 700 squid, icon or not, thats alot of dough !! :daumenhoch:
Is it simply to look for something fresh that no-ones seen in a while
Or is it RADBMX fashion, people do tend to follow suit here (Not a dig, I'm one of them)
Discuss :coolsmiley:
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i always prefered the mid , could afford them and abused them at the time .
old school was the bikes i wanted when i was young but didnt know why :)
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14 Views but only 1 view !!
Come on kids what ya feelins?
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Well, i'm new back on the scene but I've always preferred old school. I think I always will too.
I've got a new school to ride but I would consider a mid school bike if I found one I like.
HRD
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I'm all for OLD, mid & new but this is an OLD SKOOL site. People are shifting there weight (in my humble opinion) & I don't mind at all, in fact I'm in.................I'm just interested in why ?!?!?!
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Old school has had it, it's passed, dead and buried. Now give me all your old school bikes especially those gen 1 Haro's, I'll make sure they are taken care of appropriately >:D :LolLolLolLol: :buck2:
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I must admit, when I, as a brand new member a few months ago said that I was getting a Haro Gen 1 and was going to build it in a Bob Haro replica style, I received a response that said "Oh no. ANOTHER Bob rep". As it happens, I've not got all the bits to do a perfect Bob rep anyway. Meh.
So yeah, you could be right on the build front. Most of the iconic rides have been done many times over. People are still pulling some cracking builds out from nowhere though. There have been some fantastic bikes built up in the last few weeks by RAD members. That gorgeous red & white T/A, the pink Reflex, Harris' VDC, Dave's Torker, Juilan's mind blowing Burner collection to name but a very few.
I think that people will always want to get something fresh built just for that 'Wow factor'. Of course, we only have a finite amount of bikes to play with. Old school means exaclty that... old. If a new bike with new geometry and a different look gets made, it can't be old school by its very name and era of production. It's only natural for people to want to move on and look for something different. Mid school hasn't really been tapped into, as far as I can tell. Maybe that's what people are doing, looking for that elusive forgotten about frame.
No real answer i'm afraid, just a lot of reasonably inexperienced opinion.
HRD
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maybe bmx has no age :) :) :)
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Old School for me all the way, just take a look at how every bike looked different and you could more or less tell what it was from 100 metres away, now they all look the same from 10 metres away.
OLD SCHOOL ROCKS!!!!!
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Old school for showing and collecting, new school for riding. :daumenhoch:
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Old school died a death 20 years ago, isn't that it's beauty?
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im getting more pleasure from riding my new school bike than i ever did just sat looking at the old bikes gathering dust.
when i first came on this site you could'nt have gave me a new school bike.
thought they were orrible things.
but after riding one and then getting a top frame and building it up i got the same buzz i got building say my last few old school bikes.plus i can ride it and im not as bothered about dropping it on the floor.
like most say. the oldies are nice to look at and bring back the memories.
but the way prices have gone its got to put people off trying to building the top end bikes most of us seem to go for as they were what most of us wanted as kids.
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Couldn't have put it better myself mate.....although i still hate dropping my newie! the paint finish is so good i'd hate to chip it :crazy2:
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I just like bmx :D
I like to build em, ride em, fall off em. I love em all equally and would have 1 of everything if I could........well nearly everything, I object to overpriced durge as seen on the bay in recent months, but :wtf: its your collection :daumenhoch:
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i dont mind dropping my nuschool its a right street urchin anyway ,it looks better with a few more scratches ;)
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I love it all; old, mid, new, riding, collecting, the mags, the people. It's all good to me. :daumenhoch:
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one of the things i liked about old school was how we customised our bikes to try and be different
i wouldn't copy bobs haro because thats bobs i might take some ideas off bikes i like but put my own twist on them
my bike was a way of expressing myself(until i discovered i could do other things to myself,nudge nudge,wink wink)
mind you i had a baby pink pk ripper with dark pink landing gears white tuffs white uni turbo
so i don't know what i was trying to express with that
in short old scool for me but your own thumb print
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i think nuschool is the same trying to make the bike abit different :daumenhoch: its never changed in my eyes ,ive allways changed my bike bits ,colour etc :daumenhoch:
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build them all,i dont mind anything bike wise, any year make or model its all a pleasure thing for me.
on the benches at the minuite 3 from 1980s mid 90s and a 2004 so it can be mixed up nicely.
remember in the 80s it wasnt as good as our memories remember.we are now building good memories for
the future .
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i think new school bikes are utility bikes, the old schoolers were real fashion items in the haydays.
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I love it all; old, mid, new, riding, collecting, the mags, the people. It's all good to me. :daumenhoch:
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wot he said :coolsmiley:
i think nuschool is the same trying to make the bike abit different :daumenhoch: its never changed in my eyes ,ive allways changed my bike bits ,colour etc :daumenhoch:
REALLY???? can I see some pics please? :LolLolLolLol:
:) DINGO :)
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I don't know much about any of the bikes of each era but I'm more familiar with 80's bikes and think asthetically, they are nicer. When I went to see Bob_Acid, had a little trundle on his new school Ripper and that was really nice, very smooth, so I would buy a new school but still love the 80's bikes.
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For me, I say keep a foot in the past, but recognise the current and future. I don't have any old bikes, but I am thinking of building one up as a project over time. But, I have to say, it all boils down to time. I have to work a 60 hour week just to pay the bills, plus I'm in a new house (I mean new to me, not a new build), and that needs a shedload of work doing to it, plus I got 2 anklebiters that I wanna spend loads of time with, so I'm afraid I just don't have the time!
Last week I managed to get out and ride 3 times, on my Standard STA, which I bought second hand, and it's covered in scratches, and some spokes are bolloxed, but the buzz I get from riding a bike, ANY bike is just the best. It's been ace going through the BMX museum, talking in here for all the old stuff, looking at builds etc, and I think it's ace that there are so many old bikes that have been done up to look the nuts...I just don't reallistically think I'll have any spare time to do it, except maybe when I retire!
I was talking to Stace about getting an old f & f and starting a build just last night, and one thing we spoke about was the fact that there are a lot of Street Beats around, so it's not going to be that special if you build one up, BUT, the fact remains it's a great bike, and looks lovely when done. It's hard to build a bike that's going to be a combination of bits from the time they came out, but with your own stamp on it...I mean there are a lot of people in here who quite rightly want to get the bike as exact as it can be to one particular model that was out in the past. There's nothing wrong with that at all, and I've realised I'm rambling and can't remember what I was going to write!
Anyway, if I do build an old school bike, I'll do my best to make sure it's as near as possible to what it was back in the day, but I'm sure as hell gonna ride it, and won't be stressing about geting scratches on it, denting or buckling it!
That's it, I'm all out of concentration! Interesting thread, nice 1 Stace!
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for me i love building the old school bikes, the hunt for the bits, getting a buzz when i find that elusive part.....but having ridden both old school bikes and new school since ive been back riding i would say that new school is deffo the thing to ride.
building the replicas,....mmm...dont know, i guess its a thing from being a teenager looking thru the mags and thinking i'd love to have that bike....usually bob haros gen 1.....well now i do....ok its not his actual bke, even he doesnt own that.....i think its almost like preserving a snap shot of a bmx hero but in the flesh/metal.
i dunno
but its all bmx....build, collect ride what the fook you want, and if it seems to be following a trend, so what, if it makes you happy then thats it.
Dave
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Its all good
I mean how many haro reps are there?
and look at other collections , replicas , how many General Lees are there ? how many storm trooper costumes, KITs etc etc
its up to the individual as to how they proceed with a build , i mean its is as Dave says whatever makes you happy.
Prices of parts will freeze a lot of people out of collecting , but thats the nature of the beast I am afraid,in fact all of us collectors caused it so you and me only have ourselves to blame LOL
Its obviously a great sport and old school collecting is just one way of enjoying BMX ,its relatively new to the mix , and who knows where it will end up, but its been damb fun so far :daumenhoch:
Rich
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i like all bmx bikes, all ages from any era.
and really when you think about it anything over 10 years old is "old school"
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I just like all bikes, I ride a road & MTB, but love collecing & building 80s BMX :)
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I love it all; old, mid, new, riding, collecting, the mags, the people. It's all good to me. :daumenhoch:
I think this almost says it all..........................
....................along with this
I just like all bikes, I ride a road & MTB, but love collecing & building 80s BMX :)
re-discovering bmx's (old school that is) has made me realise that I just love bikes. It doesn't matter if it's old school, new school, MTB or road bike, if I like the look of it, I buy it. Admittedly, old school is and always will be my 'first love', but I don't bother riding them at all and never have. I've ridden my mid-school and new school in the past, but if I'm honest I don't ride them anymore. I can't ride a 20" for toffee and never really have been able to so I've given up trying.
I now just ride my MTB and my 'pub bike', but I still collect old school BMX and even buy new school stuff to build (and not ride). They're my pieces of art and one day I'll have them all lined up in their own 'gallery' (if I ever stop buying long enough to finish some of them) ::) :LolLolLolLol:
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generally people are gonna go for thier era, but then again all collecters of anything will acumulate to speculate or buy whatever comes up that they have an appreciation for. my BITD was 79-86 and i love the bikes around that era but i also love the quirky bikes of the very late 80's and early 90's, bikes that i wouldnt of knew existed if i hadnt stumbled across them on here or elsewhere while looking for bits, the hwa fong daddy, assassin, elf double cross etc i like what i like, this aint a fad to me its an appreciation of some of the best usable geometry ever created, and the myriad of quality accessories that embelished these frames n forks. there are many a true collecter, i only buy what i like or as with many of you, i buy what i really liked BITD but couldnt afford. im sure 2007 riders will collect thier era 20 years down the line but will also by then have an appreciation of the bikes they evolved from and maybe add them to thier collection so the scope will vary if you truly enjoy the bikes.
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I love the os bikes, just my time, I don't know anything about the mid or ns bikes as I was rebuilding my first car then and into booze n birds etc etc.
I'm sure everyone is right about the two aspects of the hobby, os for building and ns for the riding, other than the os races scene which does seem to be doing rather well thanks to Ratty and Co.
Replica's, I love em, the Bob Haro's and Mike D's etc all awsome. I could look at Dave's Gen 1 and Jay's numerous Haro's all day long - they just take me back to when I was a spotty yoof!! That said I have built one bike back to oem advert spec (laserlite) and the thrill of the chase for parts is as much fun as the building.
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I only wish I'd got back into this scene sooner (Dec2005) :(
The time from being 11 years old (1982) to 16 (1987) BMX was in my blood ,rode every day :) >:D
So the nostalgia trip ,first discovering people selling items on Ebay , particularly NOS blew me away
A big kid in a toy shop :shocked:
OLD SKOOL WILL ALWAYS BE COOL (if its too dear now for peeps , it's just like when you wanted that holy grail bike BITD )
The bikes and old ads are just part of the magic attached to the many great memories of friends and places back then.
But also the other great thing now with NS it's happenning all over again for me ,buying bits ,riding , meeting fantastic people an' avin a laugh, seeking new places to ride ! ( I'll keep my bike in the loft this time ,to sell on tebay in 25 years to someone who's reliving their youth, this era will be their OS)
Oh bollox I've strayed from the topic
There will ALWAYS be something OS to amaze me :smitten:
As for BMX ,basically I love it
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No thread is complete without my post pub ramblings on it..... :LolLolLolLol:
I love old school, cos that's what i am... I have a couple of old school skyways, a street beat and a street scene. i know further up this thread, someone said there are so many street beats about. why does that matter?? if you liked the street beat, then build one up. you're doing it for yourself and no one else. so what if there are 100's the same. i'm not that fussed about collecting old school. the one's i have appeared by accident in some sort of way....
if i were to build one up from scratch, i wouldn't be that bothered about getting all the exact parts. my first attempt of an old school build would without a doubt be a Neil Ruffell Orange Street Beat. However, as long as the F&F were orange as were the Tuffs and a white seat and EZ bars, then that would be good enough for me. To get the exact parts would probably cost me an absolute fortune. Neil changed parts on his bike quite often, so what would you classed as correct?
I also like the new school as i prefer to ride rather than collect. i think most people who got back into it, were adamant they would stay old school. but as time moves on, and they want to ride, they are realising more and more that old school is just for show and if they want to ride, then they have to have a new school. i bought a street beat a month or so ago and had a little go on it. trying a cherry picker on it, it really felt as if the tuffs were gonna snap. i really feel uneasy about riding it as it feels so weak.
the bottom line is that old schoolers get back into it for the buzz of getting the bike they never had as a child. then two things happen. firstly, they then want to ride and get their old tricks back. an old school bike rarely can take the weight of a mid 30's guy who weighs in the region of 15 stone. secondly, the prices of "era correct" parts are getting so ridiculous now, that once built most people are too afraid to ride them for risk of damage. therefore a lot are coming to their senses and realising they are paying usually over a £1000 for a bike to just look at. i wouldn't pay that sort of money for any ornament. you may laugh at people who pay thousands for a painting, but aren't the collectors basically doing the same thing??
i think while my body can still take a limited beating, i will continue to ride. once i physically can't ride any more, then i may consider buying some "ornaments".
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I must admit ,i have no OS now ,but thats ok ,as ive got my nuschool ride ,and its a bmx ,and thats what it all about BMX old or new ,its not all about how many bikes you have ,its about how much you love bmx :daumenhoch: and anyway isnt 1 enough ? ;)
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i think the prices of old skool stuff is part of the problem, just look at the price of dia compe 1000's for a start! :shocked:plus the time it takes to source the right part/s .
as for building an 80's bike looks class, weather its a stock build /replica or rider who cares-just build :)agreeing with madall ,you can tell an 80's bike apart , where nu school bikes all look the same (to me anyway :LolLolLolLol:)
myself for riding i mostly use mid school and my 80's for just cruising around on . wouldn't want to do anything too major on them :LolLolLolLol:
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I love them all! OS/Mid/New.........I myself though that all newies looked the same and that OS bikes were the be all and end all.......but after building up my street beat, then a Reflex (sold now) after trying to ride Epic on the beat i had to give in to what everyone was telling me and have a go on a new school. well thanks to MeddlE i now went and bought a newie and have never looked back! I love all the schools though......
Old for looking at and cruising on
Mid for looking at and thrashing/cruising on
New for all round thrashing/having a blast on!!! :crazy2:
But it's good :daumenhoch:
Ooops forgot to add..........now i've begun to love and appreciate the new school bikes......when you look at them you can really see subtle diferences. Take a look at Flaz's, Jimwise's Darksomedays bikes and you can see that lots of work has gone into making top notch bikes that can take a hammering. I used to say they all looked the same......but they don't!
And never one to miss an oppotunity.....heres my cheapo newie!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b339/robertbransby/Picture001.jpg)
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Amything upto 89 for me, but saying that GT did some nice bikes in the early 90s :smitten: :smitten:
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Well has it been done to Death? I don't think so, two pics from Sunday, me an jimwise, just look at the eyes an the grin!!!
Old school rocks :4_17_5:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i236/citypets/checkthegrin.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/i236/citypets/rattyglint.jpg)
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Jims teeth make him look like a Red neck Hill billy :2funny: :2funny: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Tony,
Where did you get that helmet? I need to get one, want a full face and would prefer something plain !!
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old skool new school ??? bmx just a shame i gave it up as a kid and it took 24 yrs to get back into it :-\
old skool racing is a gas as well, if you aint never done it give it a go :4_17_5:
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Yeah i plan to give that a go myself mate........maybe not till MK though as i don't think my bike will be ready in time :-\
and the fact it's not legally an OS bike as well ::)
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Ive just been reading through this thread and had to comment.
I have thought about it long and hard and i reckon im just one of those 'art collectors' who just look at the piece they have got and think WOW. I could literally glaze at them all day. I love them, but i love all old skool bmx's.
Im at work at the moment and ive got all my TA's here. I have literally spent about an hour of the day today just looking at them. They are so fooking georgeous.
I rode my white TA about 2 months ago. It was the best thing ever. So cool........a gleaming white bike with white tuff two's and funky colour grips and pedals. How many of them do ya see on the road now? But there again how many bikes do ya see like this at all now in the new skool scene? To me, new skool bikes look dull and heavy and have all got spokes!! But in fairness I have never had one, so i havent given myself a chance to appreciate them.
I also took my Haro over a local skate park and the kids flocked around it. I was gutted though as they hadnt even seen tuffs before. They said that the only bikes theve seen mags on was little 2 and 3 year olds bikes. So true! Mark my word, if you could make a bike that emulated the old skool bikes and put tuffs on them you could start something! You could make ya self a rich man if ya did it right.
Old skool was fun, changing parts, colour schemes, and taking the piss out of ya mates cos he's got a tikagi 1 piece and you got redline flights. :daumenhoch:
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Tony,
Where did you get that helmet? I need to get one, want a full face and would prefer something plain !!
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Stace, its acheapy diamond back one, I got it off gaybay for a score, but it is time to upgrade, my head dont fit it too well and its restricting my breathing, so Troy is gonna get richer soon :-\
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Old skool was fun, changing parts, colour schemes, and taking the piss out of ya mates cos he's got a tikagi 1 piece and you got redline flights. :daumenhoch:
You never lived in Stevenage then mate! :LolLolLolLol: you were lucky to have a Tikagi or Sugino 1 piece crank! :LolLolLolLol:
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Mate, we all had them here in Kingston. ;)
Whats weird, is that i used a Takagi on one of my white TA's and a Sugino on my Haro recently!!! They are sweet to ride.
:idiot2: Considering i used to rip the fook out of them when i was younger. WHY?????
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Even when I was sponsored I didnt get 3 piece :-\, it took loads of nagging to get bleedin 180s
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my head dont fit it too well
now i was going to keep schtum on this , but fook me fella , is that an action man lid LOL
at least it keeps your head in one piece lol and thats the important thing :daumenhoch:
but it did make me laugh , which is a good thing lol
Rich
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Im suprised Rich, your the first one brave enuff to take the piss, Ive been wearing it 6 months and it does look stoopid, I thought I would have copped a lot more abuse by now :2funny:
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I was gonna mention it looked a bit small, but then I reckon your secretly renowned for wearing things slightly shifted from the norm !!
I know the R stands for Ratty, but this here is a bit much mate :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h254/stace2406/R.jpg)
Only kidding fella !!! (I'll start kissing arse now, an 18st Punch will hurt like fek !!)
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Only kidding fella !!! (I'll start kissing arse now, an 18st Punch will hurt like fek !!)
You wouldnt feel a thing >:D :2funny:
But I would deffo give her it a swerve, thats just plain scary :shocked: :bondage:
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;D ;D :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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i think new skool rides look shite canny beat the lines of a gt pro or redline ffs if you drop a freshly restored ride and chip the paint so wot then its a rider like i was meant to be my prostyler cost me a fricken fourtune to build and is currently layed in the back of my work van ready to rip up to the shops and maybee do a skid at the end of the road >:D :D cant comment on how the new skoll ones ride as i cant ride an old skool proper yet lol :-[
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I know im getting boring ,but then was then now is now :daumenhoch: bmx has evolved over the years ,the chrome shinny days have gone its all black and extreme these days ,BUT its al bmx :daumenhoch: I love them all :daumenhoch:
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well i am 18 and i prefer the old skl bikes :D they look the nuts and nice to ride :4_17_5:
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Just a thought......and playing the >:D
I wonder how many members think New school bikes are rubbish/all the same but haven't actually ridden one?
Just a thought?? :-\
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Just a thought......and playing the >:D
I wonder how many members think New school bikes are rubbish/all the same but haven't actually ridden one?
Just a thought?? :-\
i have, not keen, too heavy ! but maybe i'm just a miserable git and carrying too much excess weight myself.
it's the bland colours I don't like, too oppressive ! I like some of the mid schoolers, esp. those Standard frames..
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i have to say i like riding old skool more than new school dont like the way the new ones
are set out,i geuss if i had one and rode it for awhile i would get used to it but i
like to stick with what i know :daumenhoch:
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Just a thought......and playing the >:D
I wonder how many members think New school bikes are rubbish/all the same but haven't actually ridden one?
Just a thought?? :-\
i have, not keen, too heavy ! but maybe i'm just a miserable git and carrying too much excess weight myself.
it's the bland colours I don't like, too oppressive ! I like some of the mid schoolers, esp. those Standard frames..
Im a bit confused there. NS bikes are WAY lighter than the tanks of the 90s. Also, NS bikes are in more colours than any bike from the 80s. Just look on the fly or oddy web site and see all the horrid stuff they are doing now.
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i have, not keen, too heavy
i used to think that.
but my latest S & M weights in less than my T/A i just sold.
its all to do with the parts.
the seat and post on this thing weight feck all.
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v229/dordymush/PIC_0014-1.jpg)
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Sorry Alex, i've only rode one NS bike - maybe the wrong one ! LOL !! :-\
OS rules though imo, but i am pushing 40 !! (38 to be exact)
I will shut up now !! :LolLolLolLol:
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I can only speak for myself but I got back into BMX in November last year.It was after we has broadband installed and I just started surfing and found all this stuff on ebay, then found you lot. It seems to have become a small obsession. Its old school for me because it takes me back to something I loved when I was young, It was probably the best time of my life (Wife and kids aside of course) At the end of the day its horses for courses. Enjoy what you enjoy. :daumenhoch:
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Sorry Alex, i've only rode one NS bike - maybe the wrong one ! LOL !! :-\
OS rules though imo, but i am pushing 40 !! (38 to be exact)
I will shut up now !! :LolLolLolLol:
No probs mate. Its just that Newest New school is all about the most stupid light bikes in crazy colours. Im sure strength will come back "in" again some time