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Title: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on May 12, 2007, 11:24 PM
Well I only got the frame yesterday but I got the bike all finished tonight. I had a little bit of messing about with the headset (the top part is an old GT Epoch I found) and the rear cones (they didnt really wanna fit in the frame). Also, the wheel is as far back as I can get it without using a half link and the wheel hits the frame. It hits the seat say on one side and the chain stay on the other. GREAT. Oh, and the pit bull cam bottoms out on the cable stop before the blocks have hit the rims. I had forgoten what hard work putting bikes together used to be.

I might change the wheels, Ive got some chrome rims that I might build up and use. I also might change the cranks before I ride it hard cos I dont wanna brake the Prince Alberts. Ive got for a 40:17 gearing so thanks vert squert for the flight ring.

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Dsc00809.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Dsc00813.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Dsc00814.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/24sm-4.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: TwoBobRob on May 12, 2007, 11:46 PM
Jesus......  that didn't take you long   ;)


I do love a cruiser   :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: bsdforever on May 12, 2007, 11:48 PM
i am very jealous

you need a sella turbo saddle for that beast, I have a brand new mini one you can have if you want
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on May 12, 2007, 11:52 PM
Rob ... No Gyro, no front brake, no need to get the brake working very well, no pegs so getting the back wheel in place was easier (almost). These racer types dont know they have been born when it comes to building bikes!


Grant ... that seat was just the best one I had in the shed for the bike. You might recognise it, I got it on a bike I got through you not long ago! I should be getting an S&M shield race seat soon so that will go on it, and probably look OK with the red stuff on it.
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: RATTY on May 12, 2007, 11:53 PM
It does look a treat mate. Looks very long in the frame, Id like to have a go on that next time we bump bars :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: TwoBobRob on May 13, 2007, 12:30 AM
Rob ... No Gyro, no front brake, no need to get the brake working very well, no pegs so getting the back wheel in place was easier (almost). These racer types dont know they have been born when it comes to building bikes!


Fair point, well made   ;D

Are you going to race it?
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on May 13, 2007, 12:54 AM
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!!! Love the MK1 Alberts, Not many people with Widowmakers around, just you i think Alex (and Dee Snider!)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on May 13, 2007, 12:55 AM

Are you going to race it?


I hope to. Ive got a later S&M cruiser that I use for getting around on, locking up in town, that kind of thing. Apart from that Ive never ridden a 24", def not on jumps, so I dont rate my chances much. I will still give it a go. I think it even pass as "old school" (maybe?).
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: TwoBobRob on May 13, 2007, 01:02 AM
I'm the same. I've got one of those Haro Nyquist 24 things that I rode to work on for a couple of years, but I don't think I want to ride it in anger..
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on May 13, 2007, 01:10 AM
Not many people with Widowmakers around, just you i think Alex and Dee Snider!

Now, where is my Twisted Sister CD? Look out Dee, Im coming to get ya!

Dee Sinder and some dude
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/DeeSnider.jpg)

Dee Snider. Florida 1990-91
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/Dee_Snider_jump-Florida1990-91.jpg)

(I nicked these pics off vintage BMX on a thread about widow makers)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: harris on May 13, 2007, 07:04 AM
top ride that mate and rare as hell.glad it fell into one of our hands ,so it gets the right respect.
looks well clean and has lasted very very well good stuff   :4_17_5:  dan
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: darkersomeday on May 13, 2007, 07:06 AM
looks fantastic dude! :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:

i had the same rear wheel troubles on my last cruiser(the standard), even with the skinniest "24x1.75 tyre there was barely enough clearance to squeeze a rizla between the tyre and the frame,

primo used to make a "24x1.50 v-track tyre, i saw one on US e-bay a while back,

if you decide to sell the later s&m cruiser put me down for first dib dobs!!

great build, :4_17_5:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Stodgy on May 13, 2007, 08:41 AM
Sweet Alex, now buy a better camera.

 ;)

 :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Dingobmxer on May 13, 2007, 08:43 AM
super nice Alex  :daumenhoch:
there was a complete for sale last year on the bay and I kick myself for not buying it  :tickedoff:
 :) DINGO :)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: nic968 on May 13, 2007, 01:29 PM
 That's lovely mate...I've always wanted one of those..Clean build too.Strange that the wheel is so tight though.
 That ticks all the right boxes for Old School racing too...MK race??Be nice to have some more cruisers this year. :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Bob_Acid on May 13, 2007, 01:48 PM
Very nice  :daumenhoch:

Needs a pink seat though  ???
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on May 14, 2007, 08:50 AM

Sweet Alex, now buy a better camera.


This is a bit better, although its still just taken using my phone. I really should spend some time clearing up my garden!

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/widowgarden.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Mattdub on May 16, 2007, 04:40 PM
Very Cool Alex  :4_17_5:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: QUADROPHENIA on May 16, 2007, 05:02 PM


lovely bike alex, feck the garden thats for when your old, so you got bloody loads of time yet
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: rom_kid_04 on May 16, 2007, 08:28 PM
that looks sweet .. a red seat would set it off though
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 14, 2007, 11:13 PM
Thanks to a very tidy pad set from dialled bikes Mike (thanks) and getting a more fitting seat and post, I thought it was time to take a better pic of the widow maker. Now if I can just find the time to sort out the back wheel rubbing I am all set to ride in MKs OS 24" race.

I have also managed to get hold of a set of S&M C4 cruiser bars (4 peice bars, like mini castilos). I was going to put them on here but they are black, and the chrome Gaybars look great.


(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Bikes/widowmaker.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Dingobmxer on July 14, 2007, 11:16 PM
lookin super sweet now Alex   :daumenhoch:

 :) DINGO :)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: MartyC on July 14, 2007, 11:18 PM
Looked good before, looks even better now  :smitten:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 14, 2007, 11:18 PM
thanks. Yep, its LOOKS great ... anyone got a 24x1.5 tyre???
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Dingobmxer on July 14, 2007, 11:20 PM
got a real narrow one in the loft, Odyssey?
I will look in the morning for ya
 :) DINGO :)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: MartyC on July 14, 2007, 11:21 PM
thanks. Yep, its LOOKS great ... anyone got a 24x1.5 tyre???

Nope, only got 1.75's and from the looks of it those were my tyres you've got running on it  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Dingobmxer on July 14, 2007, 11:21 PM
this Oddy one is 1.75 but comes up real slom (unlike me He he! )
 :) DINGO :)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: rory on July 14, 2007, 11:41 PM
me want .....
bo ho
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: teamsano on July 15, 2007, 01:30 PM
forgot how early these were. double dropouts too.
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: generallee on July 15, 2007, 02:05 PM
fantastic alex mate - just fantastic. I was driving through brighton the other day and saw a young kid on one of these - I tried to flag him down but he was long gone!!! If i ever see him again I'll  try and buy it from him!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: alfie on July 15, 2007, 03:17 PM
you tried  to flag  down a young boy in brighton ! lucky he did'nt try to phone the old bill :police:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: ron burgundy on July 15, 2007, 03:49 PM
That looks cool...  what does it ride like?
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 15, 2007, 07:04 PM
That looks cool...  what does it ride like?

I'll tell ya when Ive got a thinner rear tyre!  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Stodgy on July 17, 2007, 12:53 PM
Nice Al - that looks the nuts with the new padset.

Sweet.
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 17, 2007, 01:17 PM
That ROCKS maaaaaaaaaaaaan!!

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb279/Lazarou6363/dee.jpg)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: harris on July 17, 2007, 01:21 PM
thats turned out a little beauty alex   :)
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 17, 2007, 01:25 PM
Now another episode of 'Ask Alex'....


Which S&M vid had Chris on the bonnet of a car singing 'we're not gonna take it' was it '44 something'?



...thanks Ask Alex!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 17, 2007, 01:35 PM
Ah, now that is an interesting one. The better question was:

Who was in the car? (one person driving, one riding shotgun)

That was well funny. Dee was in the doorway as they drove past and said something like "THIS is what you can expect at S&M bikes" as Chris drove past singing.





Oh, and it was the first vid ... It had loads of names, I think "44something" was one, as was "Feel my leg muscles, Im a racer"
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 17, 2007, 01:49 PM
I'll have to fish it out now and watch it!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 17, 2007, 01:53 PM
Well plug in a DVD writer at the same time and do us all a favor. I have been meaning to do it for ages but I still havent got the writer stodgy lent me working! I keep getting emails from people asking if Ive got the first S&M vid put on DVD yet!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 17, 2007, 02:24 PM
My brother has a Video/DVD RW combo thing and has said he'd copy all of my vids for me!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 17, 2007, 02:25 PM
My brother has a Video/DVD RW combo thing and has said he'd copy all of my vids for me!

Get it done!!!!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: teamsano on July 22, 2007, 12:42 PM



Which S&M vid had Chris on the bonnet of a car singing 'we're not gonna take it' was it '44 something'?



i had a w**k in the back of that pickup on the way to oklahoma.
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 22, 2007, 12:59 PM
Must have been a massive truck if you went for a walk in the back!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: bmxmatt1974 on July 22, 2007, 06:32 PM



Which S&M vid had Chris on the bonnet of a car singing 'we're not gonna take it' was it '44 something'?



i had a w**k in the back of that pickup on the way to oklahoma.
to much information  :LolLolLolLol:

the bike looks cool though alex  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: dialledbikes on July 22, 2007, 10:51 PM
Classic bike Alex - don't ever sell it!

Glad my old pads now live on such a classic bike, much better than sitting unloved in a box in my garage!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: dialledbikes on July 22, 2007, 10:51 PM
By the way, what's the story behind S&M naming a model after Dee Snider?
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Lazarou on July 22, 2007, 11:02 PM
I know Dee Snider had a band called Widowmaker and that he and Chris are/were friends and there's also the famous hill-climb of the same name.



....but i think it's time for another episode of.....Ask Alex!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: MartyC on July 22, 2007, 11:20 PM
Didn't Dee Snider race BMX for a while too or did I dream that while listening to Twisted Sister?  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 22, 2007, 11:44 PM
Didn't Dee Snider race BMX for a while too or did I dream that while listening to Twisted Sister?  :LolLolLolLol:

yeah man, check out the first page of this thread for pics of Dee fully racing BMXs! He was "on" the S&M team for a while racing 24" and they named the frame after his current band. The frame decals also said "stay hungry" and "we're not gunna take it", taken from Twisted Sister lyrics. Dee also popped up on the S&M Video mucking about about at S&M (still waiting for the answer to who was driving the truck?)

Mike, thanks for the kind words, and thanks again for the pads, they do look very happy.
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: kamodo on July 23, 2007, 01:02 PM
I raced a mint camo green widowmaker at the end of 94 untill early 95 .Darkish green frame chrome forks,chrome profile cranks,hubs,chrome rims etc etc. Rode better than my Pro Class cruiser. Sold the S&M and bought my first Tri bike............what a bloody fool  :idiot2:


Would swap the missus to have both those babies back   :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: SaMAlex on July 23, 2007, 01:34 PM
You dont remember what tyre you ran on the rear do you?
I cant get the comp3 Ive got on there to clear the frame!
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: darkersomeday on July 23, 2007, 03:03 PM
hey alex,

could you try running a 24x1.50 tyre on it?

primo made the v-track and the dirt monster in that size,

i saw some intense micro-knobbies on usa bay in that size too, they might be too new school for the widowmaker though?

 :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: rory on July 23, 2007, 07:37 PM
widow maker is an old school hill climb event  on an old school motor bike film called on any sunday
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: darkersomeday on July 23, 2007, 07:59 PM
widow maker is an old school hill climb event  on an old school motor bike film called on any sunday

the steve mcqueen film?

i've got that somewhere :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: rory on July 23, 2007, 08:27 PM
yep, thats the one  joe, ive got on original vhs. :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: kamodo on July 26, 2007, 01:59 AM
I always ran a 1.75 on the back with no problems...
Title: Re: S&M Widow Maker - Finished!
Post by: Dingobmxer on July 26, 2007, 07:29 AM
Tyre posted 1st class yesterday Al  :daumenhoch:

 :) DINGO :)
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