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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: dialledbikes on August 09, 2007, 08:27 PM
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So guys, what's the future for the Old School race series?
Have you lobbied BCF to get an old school class (and/or 40+ 20" class) added to the National Series?
Or will you be following the same format as this season and doing your own thing.
I think you guys have shown by getting off your arses and organising your own series (with more riders in it than some of the national classes) you have a lot to offer BMX racing. Good luck.
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It would be nice to have it included in the National scene. That would give everyone the chance to take part.
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Mike there were 59 riders registered at MK, that meant 1/4's :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
and more riders than some regionals too
:) DINGO :)
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That's pretty amazing, Mark. BC can't really ignore numbers like that. OS class (and their kids) would give BMX racing a big boost.
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If BCF ignore this, they will loose a great opportunity in bringing BMXers back into the sport, plus their kids.
We have taken the series races to regionals where we have been the biggest class of the day, then add our kids and thats a large chunk of the gate money for the clubs. The riders in the series have a huge wealth of knowledge to offer the sport and this should be encouraged with open arms
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Please don`t flame me for this, but really the natural progression is 40 + on new school bikes imho.
Old school racing eases people back into racing, so the next step would be to move on to the 40 + with bikes that have also progressed.
If however that you prefer the easy going nature of the old school series and are not too competive then it should stay that way, without any interferance from BC :police:
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Hey i tried a few regionals a few years back on a nu skool bike, it just didnt seem as much fun as on the oldskool bikes like at bournemuth and mk. Most of the oldskool bikes held up pretty well, bar a few loose headsets.
Those Robinsons seem real popular and look nice, my zeronine doesnt feel too sketchy. Building a nice oldskool bike up has gota be cheaper than building up a decent nu skool racebike :daumenhoch:
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I agree with you in part Billy and also with Rich as well.
I raced reigonal at Cruisers last year and didn't actually enjoy it that much, now I'm back on old school the fun is much better and the banter is insane.
I know for my own progression I should race 30+ but I'm not sure I'd enjoy it as much and that's the biggest draw for me.
I also have 3 kids that will all probably race so it would really be in the sports interest to let us in.
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TBH what I really worry about is a bike breaking and someone getting seriously hurt, I know that you can still be hurt no matter how strong the bike is, but there`s less chance of a new school bike breaking because it`s 20 years old and has metal fatigue :police:
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Your right there Bill. I'll have that Pro XL back then cos your not the kindest rider in the world are you. :LolLolLolLol:
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Your right there Bill. I'll have that Pro XL back then cos your not the kindest rider in the world are you. :LolLolLolLol:
Just got to get it welded back up first Si :daumenhoch:
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You worry me. :LolLolLolLol:
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i can't see anything wrong with keeping it old school,i think its a brilliant and important aspect of bmx racing and its roots :daumenhoch:most of us have really only ridden 80's/90's bikes and its all we know :shocked:its a bit like having classic motorcycle racing at modern bike race meetings most of the spectators love it. :4_17_5:at milton keynes i was shocked how many old school riders there were racing on the sunday and how fookin quick and skillfull the majority were,it brought back memories of big 80's meetings i used to do :daumenhoch:we started off just filling gaps at regionals without being noticed to practically taken them over and impressing a lot of people
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TBH what I really worry about is a bike breaking and someone getting seriously hurt, I know that you can still be hurt no matter how strong the bike is, but there`s less chance of a new school bike breaking because it`s 20 years old and has metal fatigue :police:
Im with Bill on this one. I love riding my OS bike and everyone riding at MK had such a great attutude but if I was going to race a little more often Id want a new bike. There is only so long Id wanna go on riding with a loose headset, brake that doesnt work and catches my shoe, and god forbid ... forks that fold under me! Id get a NS race bike in a second if I could justify the use it would get. I know full well the people on the gate wouldnt be as much fun as at MK, but if there was a propper OS class at every race, I doubt that would be either.
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Old school is fun... So is modern racing if you can ride, it's also great to watch...
Old bikes don't belong on new tracks, but it's a laugh to ride on 'em :daumenhoch:
:)
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Its that OLD V's NEW thing that nobody can leave alone, everyone has a preference, mine is purely old school 20", other people like old and new and others just like new school, some people even like cruisers ???
Why not let people race what the bloody hell they like and get over it! :tickedoff:
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It's the same with women, some like fat and others like thin. jeez Quad Pete even likes vicars. :LolLolLolLol:
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Good point alex, i never thought of the 20 year old forks snapping on me whilst jumping - ouch :-\
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Sorry Zipster, but Billy is probably right.The BC will never sanction it.Keep it local and fun.If you want to race National step up to the plate !..........and get good income protection ;D
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Some really valid points here.
796 is right, we have nearly doubled attendance at some regionals this year, no mean feat.
Bill, what you say about 20 year old metal and fatigue, when I started back a year ago I weighed well over 18 stone, Im sure thats approaching the top end for what these bikes were designed for, I have cracked 2 pairs of forks, but PL forks are prone to that. But otherwise the bikes have held up very well, I cant think of one failure while racing on anyones bike this year!
Alex, the banter has been the same or better at every OS race we have attended, I think its the fact we are mates doing what we love, the competition factor is there, but nothing like what you get in new school racing, I only know of one OS rider who would use elbows at any oppertunity, most of us would rather give way than put some one over a berm.
Ron, they are great to ride, but I dont agree with the new school track business, they can stand up to the rigours of modern tracks, I know one OS rider Martin Parker who still gets his Hutch airbourne over everything he can. And looks amazing while doing full blown flat table tops.
I also agree with Spillers, lets keep our history alive, both for our benefit and the new guys, If you forget your roots then you wont know where the future is
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FORKS FOLDING?BIKES BREAKING?WHAT THE FOOK....THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OLD SCHOOLERS THAT ARE GETTING AIR ON THERE 20 YEAR OLD BIKES ALL THE TIME ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT RACING,METAL FATIGUE?COME ON PEOPLE WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU ON ABOUT I'VE SEEN AND HEARD OF MORE NEW SCHOOL BIKES SNAPPING THAN OLD AND THATS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT THAT GREAT ON A BMX :)BMX TRACK IS A BMX TRACK WETHER ITS 25 YEARS AGO OR A NEW ONE 2 WEEKS AGO....OFF ROAD UNEVEN SURFACE WITH STEP UPS...TABLETOPS.....DOUBLES....TRIPLES....BERMS ETC ITS JUST ABOUT ADAPTING YOUR RIDING TO EACH TRACK WETHER ON OLD SCHOOL OR NEW SCHOOL.MYSELF AND SE MARK HAVE RACED IN 17+ THIS YEAR AT BRAINTREE WHICH HAS HAD 2 GATES AND STILL HAD A GOOD GO WITH THE YOUNGENS...AND HAVE YOU SEEN THE 2 SETS OF DOUBLES THEY'VE GOT NOW :D :D
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i love to see the oldschool bikes racing and me i would prefer to see it staying that way.
i would love to see some mid school bikes getting put into the pot or even their own race
at an oldschool meet.keep it seperate but give all the 90s frames a run out even if its just
for fun even a list of frames aloud in as they aint getting out of the sheds ,it needs addressing guys.
dan
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i think you guys have done an amazing job with oldschool racing this year but i would have serious misgivings about attaching it to nationals.to much beaurocracy,licence fee's,camping fees etc.it would destroy the fun aspect of it and make it too competitive.
doing what you do with regionals is perfect.whose oldschoolers kids would want to have a go with the fast lads at nationals?a few maybe but kids and adults alike needing easing in to racing through novice classes.
regional racing,one big weekend like mk and a brits i think is the right way to go.anyone who wants to do nationals has to go nu skool.bmx is about progression after all.just my opinion though and no more valid than anyone elses.
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I DO SEE PEOLPLES POINTS ON THE FUN ASPECT OF OLD SCHOOL BUT..............PEOPLE ALSO HAVE CHOICES,MOST OF US OLD SCHOOLERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN REGIONAL/NATIONAL LEVEL RACING FOR YEARS,ALL BE IT 20 ODD YEARS AGO..BUT IF SOME DO WANT TO RACE OLD SCHOOL AT A NATIONAL LEVEL OR REGIONAL/OPEN MEETS THEN WE HAVE THE CHOICE TO SAY YES I'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT OR NO I'LL STAY AS I AM THANKYOU :angrysoapbox:
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Bof managed quite well on a OS bike on new track!!!!
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EXACTLY :4_17_5:SO DID A LOT OF OTHERS
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TBH since MK i've ditched the n/s Brew n gone back to my much loved Titan, will it hold up at Burnham, hell yes (once the head tubes re welded :angel: :LolLolLolLol:)
OSS is about Old Gits n Gals on bikes teaching these young peeps how the hell BMX got where it is, no fancy clips, no disco slippers, it's hardcore feet out elbow banging o/s racing.
I think the sport on lots of level needs to go back to infancy and remember how it all began to put the MX back into BMX.
There are valid arguements from lots of peeps, progression of the sport etc but loads of old guys n gals r crackin back in and this is a platform to Nu Skool, our kids do Nu skool, we wil probably progress to it as well but remember bitd how many riders there were and there's shed loads of O/S still to re surface :daumenhoch:
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raced an old school bike the year that it was attempted to tag it on to the national series. got a new school bike and snapped me profile cranks on it.
if somats gonna happen it ll happen. best thing to do is race its all good. ;)
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well said mate :daumenhoch:
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I dont agree with OSS queen on much, but
OSS is about Old Gits n Gals on bikes teaching these young peeps how the hell BMX got where it is, no fancy clips, no disco slippers, it's hardcore feet out elbow banging o/s racing.
this line sums it up. Whenever I line up at Daggers, all the kids want to race us, they take the piss but they love racing us, and its allways "come on then Ratty, I bet I beet you tonight!! keeps us on our toes, and the banter keeps it fun. :daumenhoch:
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I can't wait to get my hands on jimwise68's Supergoose so I can get back on a decent 'real' 4130 cromo BMX and get ready for some OS racing. I've already got a tricked-out ONE ally 20" but I race that in NS for different reasons. I must have a split personality 'cos on one hand I want to race NS to stay competetive and get some serious racing, but on the other hand I also want to do OS racing, so I can enjoy all the things I loved so much about BMX in the '80s. You never see anyone bust out a tabletop mid race these days, gone are the days of 'getting rad' at race meets, or sessioning the doubles/tabletop at the interval. NS race meets are strictly business, things are a lot more 'serious' nowadays which, in some respects, might be good for progression but it isn't so good for FUN, and that's why I still BMX - for FUN.
I just hope I don't do to the Supergoose what I did to my beloved Hutch Pro Racer ( okay I was riding it at the skatepark :-[ ) Front end snapped off :'(
(http://www.kennyhunter4130.supanet.com/Hutch3.jpg)
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Ratty summed up the major draw for me, BANTER :daumenhoch:
and cameraderie, you just dont seem to get That in new school
:) DINGO :)
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Keep the racing in your own hands guys, you will always be welcome to piggy back an Mk regional meet.
as for old skool bike strength, built like battle ships by people who gave a toss :daumenhoch:
New skool built by nips for a $ who don't give a rats ass >:( Ive seen 4 snaped 1 year old frames this series 2 Statts 1 gt and 1 se. says it all realy.
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Thanks Lee, I hope we can have a couple of rounds at MK, especially if Dingo gets the midlands OSS off the ground :daumenhoch:
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Ive seen 4 snaped 1 year old frames this series 2 Statts 1 gt and 1 se. says it all realy.
1 snapped GT and 1 snapped SE. That does say it all, but hardly examples of GOOD NS bikes.
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Ive seen 4 snaped 1 year old frames this series 2 Statts 1 gt and 1 se. says it all realy.
1 snapped GT and 1 snapped SE. That does say it all, but hardly examples of GOOD NS bikes.
my sons staats (he was less than half the weight limit for this frame)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q232/picturethescene_photo/words.jpg)
dont know whos this is but it is another high end of the market frame.
(http://www.dbbmx.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/brokestaats.jpg)
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guys, this is a hard one for all of you, i think stay with old skool and the bikes, the minute you stop racing
your old skool bike then you are no longer racing oldskool, don't forget you are running an old skool series
and the competition is getting tougher but thats it, if you all go to new skool bikes then watch the injuries
happen even more :( stay as it is, old skool where any one can get back on a bike and feel part of it and join in
the races, we all have famillys now, jobs and bills so why risk all that for something thats not for you,
all the freestyle guys have moved over to new skool but the big differance is theres no comp or series running
in freestyle for these old boys and the differance between freestyle to racing is that in freestyle the bike goes up
then down to a hard impact, with racing the bike travels forward with the odd jump but still going forward,
so just my few words but don't spoil what youv'e got, i see nothing funny in lining up at the gate with new skool
bikes, riders and no banter ;)