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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: THIRSTYKIRSTY on August 29, 2007, 06:37 PM
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DONT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY WATSOEVER
BUT I HAVE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THE 4X BRITISH CHAMP RACED IN THE 40+ CRUISER FINAL AND WON
HE DID NOT DO ANY REGIONALS TO QUALIFY SO WAT GIVES HIM THE RIGHT TO TAKE PART IN THE SUPREMO BMX RACE OF THE YEAR
IM NOT THAT GREAT AT RACING ,,,BUT IF I WAS IN THAT FINAL I WOULD HAVE KICKED RIGHT OFF
JUIST HOW I FEEL GANG
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER
RUSS :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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was he the reigning champ,maybe he got a free slot ???
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I am in total agreement Russ, and what made it worse, he beat a mate of mine in the process :-\
I didnt know he hadnt qualified for the Brits either, thats just a plain pisstake
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WAT REALLY GETS MY BACK UP IS
THE BRITTS IS THE SUPREMO BMX MEETING NOT SOME FREE FOR ALL BIKES TO JOIN IN
CANT BELEIVE HE COULD DO IT ,,,GOD IM FIRED UP ABOUT THIS
IF YOU TURN UP TO A 4X RACE ON A CRUISER YOU CAN ONLY RACE NOVICE NOT EXPERT????
SO WHY WAS THIS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN
WISH I HAD GONE ,,,could have RACED ME MAMS OLD SHOPPER ,,,PUT ME BURGER IN BASKET
RUSS
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MIKE PARDON WAS THE REIGHNING CHAMP
I THINK
RUSS >:D >:D
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PUT ME BURGER IN BASKET
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: im PMSL,,,,,,, but it would be so much funnier with photos
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A number of things about this piss me off, firstly beating Tony, that sucked n you could see the anger on Tones face and i dont fckin blame him :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
Secondly i asked for dispensation as i had competed in Regionals as Old Skool and not in class, dispensation was granted by a unanymous vote, then withdrawn with 3 days notice prior to the Brits so how did this fekker get in having done no regionals :wtf:
Gears and suspension is not right on a BMX track period
This guy should be ashamed of himself :knuppel2:
Tony Slater the true British Champion :4_17_5:
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That sucks... has anyone put this forward to the powers that be?
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who is the 4x brit champ ? sorry im abit slow :LolLolLolLol: but you are all right, its a p#ss take, so anyone can enter then ? :tickedoff:
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CHECK THE LINK ,,ITS ALL OVER THE FORUMS THIS 1
http://www.bmxtalk.com/viewtopic.php't=12724
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now i have had a good read and caught up on what happened.......w....t......f..
was anyone thinking letting someone on basicaly a mountain bike enter anyway.
i wouldnt even have lined up next to him
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Sounds like someone trying to defend the indefensible. Maybe "Cyclist" also thinks it was a good idea to invade Iraq in search of WMD :LolLolLolLol:
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It's not the blokes fault to be honest. If the rules let him in then the rules need changing in my opinion.
Tony is the Champion in amost everyones eyes that was there on Sunday.
This was the British BMX Championships so why they let a Mountain bike in is beyond me.
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This was the British BMX Championships so why they let a Mountain bike in is beyond me.
Because the BCF have no backbone, that's why ;)
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i bet mountain bikes wont be in the bmx races in the Olympics! why were they in the BMX British Champs, sounds like weak organisation
they shouldnt be allowed in skateparks either, bloody big wheels taking up all the deck :knuppel2:
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Well imo it was an absolute disgrace, there are so many reasons why that shouldn`t have happened and only one reason why it could, and thats the win at all cost atitude that ruins sport.
Surely racing should be on a level playing field for everyone, and riding a bike that obviously gives a clear advantage is just not fair to all involved, and hearing that he never even went to a single regional to qualify beggers belief.
I`d rather be a loser than win unfairly, but unfortunatly some people will do anything to get a win, not that it`s the guys fault that won, but those that let him enter at all on that bike.
Shame on who ever took that decision :(
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not going to get to involved in this debate because it's not my thing, but,
and a big but, mountain bike at a bmx race, that's where it would have stopped for me
and yes it is the riders fault as well, why bring a mountain bike to the brits in the first place :idiot2:
bmx is bmx and mtb is mtb thats it, can no one who runs these events say it like it is :)
last thing i would like to know is this guy who brought along his mtb to a bmx event,
what the fook was he thinking, sorry guys but the racer and the organisers are to blame,
put RATTY in charge ;)
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As Dan says really, I mean has the guy no shame using an MTB anyway let alone the not qualifying point, so all he had to do was be fit on the day not the season!! Plus ok so they let him enter on an mtb but if it is true he did use the gears then it is even more shamefull on him!!
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As Dan says really, I mean has the guy no shame using an MTB anyway let alone the not qualifying point, so all he had to do was be fit on the day not the season!! Plus ok so they let him enter on an mtb but if it is true he did use the gears then it is even more shamefull on him!!
yeah but frosty turns up on a mtb that is probs the dogs bollocks in design ;D it just gets worst,
tell you what next year i'm turning up with a mtb but with a petrol engine attached, is that ok :idiot2:
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Guys, it aint the riders fault, Its British cycling's fault, They made the rules. they are the ones in the wrong. Its a crying shame and a let down, but till the rules change back to BMX rules then it will happen again
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He should take some responsibility himself though even if the rules do permit daft things to happen, as Bill said the "win at all costs attitude" is what has ruined what should have been a great finale.
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looking at it on the other side, could you really imagine a bmxr entering a mtb contest,
he would get laughed at and told to fook off,
just can not see where this guy has any credibal reason to enter :-\
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as with dan, this is not my thing, but if i had qualified to race then got to the finals and was put up against someone on a mountain bike, then i would have refused to race and would hope the the other bmxers would have backed me up.
surely this is like having an F1 car in some sort of indy race.
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im entering on a bmx next year a cr250 big moto x bike :)
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im entering on a bmx next year a cr250 big moto x bike :)
What a good idea :daumenhoch:
Can i bring my Husenberg twinshock to next years MK Old school Show & Shine ::)
Paul :Great_Britain:
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not going to get to involved in this debate because it's not my thing, but,
and a big but, mountain bike at a bmx race, that's where it would have stopped for me
and yes it is the riders fault as well, why bring a mountain bike to the brits in the first place :idiot2:
bmx is bmx and mtb is mtb thats it, can no one who runs these events say it like it is :)
last thing i would like to know is this guy who brought along his mtb to a bmx event,
what the fook was he thinking, sorry guys but the racer and the organisers are to blame,
put RATTY in charge ;)
NAIL AND HEAD!
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This was the British BMX Championships so why they let a Mountain bike in is beyond me.
Because the BCF have no backbone, that's why ;)
SO TRUE :(
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:LolLolLolLol: can i bring my xt350 to hersden then i take it no one will mind !!!!!!
just dont quite get the mtb against bmx s !!!!!! so all the bmx s are fixed with there gearing n mtb bloke can change his on the fly :wtf: thats not right
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I have entered 2 or 3 MTB races (in the early days of MTBs) on a BMX, but I didnt get very far. One was a 10 miler but I got a puncture trying to jump a stream in the first mile. The start was the best, I got a flying start. My front tuff was way out in the lead untill they all changed gear a few times and flew past me.
No help for this thread really, just a funny story.
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how unfair for someone with gears and front or possibly even rear suspension (theres a few full sus 4x mtb out there at moment) to be in a race against fully rigid single speeders. shame on that rider for even participating in that race.
if the mtb rider had any decency or sense of sportsmanship, he would have refused to participate in such an unfair race.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF if you read this, whoever you are. whichever cycling federation allowed this should know better. they're supposed to promote cycling, whatever style it may be. but lets keep it all on a fair and even playing field for all. next thing children and adults will all be racing in the same classes!!!! and beginners, novices and professionals all together in the same class as well. fairplay????? seems that thats for the losers. we may as well tell our children the way to win is to cheat and use underhand dirty tactics.
my heartfelt sympathy and upmost respect to the rest of you in the race who played by the rules. at least you can all hold your heads up high with pride and dignity. well done you chaps/chapesses.
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here here ::)
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who is he, i cant see a name mentioned ? ???
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how unfair for someone with gears and front or possibly even rear suspension (theres a few full sus 4x mtb out there at moment) to be in a race against fully rigid single speeders. shame on that rider for even participating in that race.
if the mtb rider had any decency or sense of sportsmanship, he would have refused to participate in such an unfair race.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF if you read this, whoever you are. whichever cycling federation allowed this should know better. they're supposed to promote cycling, whatever style it may be. but lets keep it all on a fair and even playing field for all. next thing children and adults will all be racing in the same classes!!!! and beginners, novices and professionals all together in the same class as well. fairplay????? seems that thats for the losers. we may as well tell our children the way to win is to cheat and use underhand dirty tactics.
my heartfelt sympathy and upmost respect to the rest of you in the race who played by the rules. at least you can all hold your heads up high with pride and dignity. well done you chaps/chapesses.
I think that's a bit harsh. The rules are what allowed him to enter and he qualfied by being british Champion in 4X. It's not his fault he was simply abiding the rules, regardless of whether their fair or not is another matter and something that should be looked into.
Dave is apparently a really nice bloke and has so far taken a bit of a pounding over this when in truth it's not his fault but the rule makers.
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you can always find loopholes in rules but in the spirit of sportsmanship it is wrong... and i think that is where the issue lies...
if you found a loophole that meant you could ride an engine powered bike in a bmx race, what would you do?
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Fire the bugger up. :LolLolLolLol:
Formula One teams spend millions exploiting loopholes so I say it goes.
If you don't like it change the rules.
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if you found a loophole that meant you could ride an engine powered bike in a bmx race, what would you do?
I'd need a fookin engine to keep up with you lot :crazy2:
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Fire the bugger up. :LolLolLolLol:
Formula One teams spend millions exploiting loopholes so I say it goes.
If you don't like it change the rules.
Formula One teams have millions of pounds to gain too.
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Keep a lookie outie for my next build :D A two stroke 84 Cali :daumenhoch:
Paul :Great_Britain:
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Anyone heard of the browning two speed? (gears) Proforks?(front suspension) OM flyer? (26" wheels)
these are all old /mid school bmx equipment but add them together and you have what Dave was riding, I think the main problem here arises from the apparent lack of qualifying (but apparently Dave got dispensation for missing Regionals because they clashed with 4x Nationals)
its the rules and the way they are interpreted that is at fault methinks?
:) DINGO :)
p.s remember this?
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=026631#000000
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It sounds to me as though BMX governing bodies are as sh*t these days as they were in the 80's, good to see nothing changes.
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It sounds to me as though BMX governing bodies are as sh*t these days as they were in the 80's, good to see nothing changes.
probably worse now Sean as bitd BMX sanctioning bodies were BMX sanctioning bodies, BMX nowadays is run by British Cycling which is predominantly road and track people(all wearing very fetching blazers)
:) DINGO :)
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Anyone heard of the browning two speed? (gears) Proforks?(front suspension) OM flyer? (26" wheels)
these are all old /mid school bmx equipment but add them together and you have what Dave was riding, I think the main problem here arises from the apparent lack of qualifying (but apparently Dave got dispensation for missing Regionals because they clashed with 4x Nationals)
its the rules and the way they are interpreted that is at fault methinks?
:) DINGO :)
p.s remember this?
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=026631#000000
fkin hell Dingo, opened that thread n me computer went bonkers n i had to crash it :LolLolLolLol:
Lopes is a knob, i believe it was him that was involved in the clips n disco slippers thing :knuppel2:
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Anyone heard of the browning two speed? (gears) Proforks?(front suspension) OM flyer? (26" wheels)
these are all old /mid school bmx equipment but add them together and you have what Dave was riding, I think the main problem here arises from the apparent lack of qualifying (but apparently Dave got dispensation for missing Regionals because they clashed with 4x Nationals)
its the rules and the way they are interpreted that is at fault methinks?
:) DINGO :)
p.s remember this?
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=026631#000000
fkin hell Dingo, opened that thread n me computer went bonkers n i had to crash it :LolLolLolLol:
Lopes is a knob, i believe it was him that was involved in the clips n disco slippers thing :knuppel2:
He may well be a nob......but by fook he can arf ride a bike!!!
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Anyone heard of the browning two speed? (gears) Proforks?(front suspension) OM flyer? (26" wheels)
these are all old /mid school bmx equipment but add them together and you have what Dave was riding, I think the main problem here arises from the apparent lack of qualifying (but apparently Dave got dispensation for missing Regionals because they clashed with 4x Nationals)
its the rules and the way they are interpreted that is at fault methinks?
:) DINGO :)
p.s remember this?
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=026631#000000
The rot set in a long time before that one surfaced....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g114/martycoughlin/2speed1982.jpg)
:wtf: were they thinking? :LolLolLolLol:
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plain wrong that is >:(
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Anyone heard of the browning two speed? (gears) Proforks?(front suspension) OM flyer? (26" wheels)
these are all old /mid school bmx equipment but add them together and you have what Dave was riding, I think the main problem here arises from the apparent lack of qualifying (but apparently Dave got dispensation for missing Regionals because they clashed with 4x Nationals)
its the rules and the way they are interpreted that is at fault methinks?
:) DINGO :)
p.s remember this?
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=026631#000000
The rot set in a long time before that one surfaced....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g114/martycoughlin/2speed1982.jpg)
:wtf: were they thinking? :LolLolLolLol:
Marty I think the Browning system predates even that :uglystupid2:
:) DINGO :)
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Marty I think the Browning system predates even that :uglystupid2:
:) DINGO :)
Yep, you are right but I couldn't find a picture of a bike with one on it :LolLolLolLol:
What's interesting is if you read the sidebar about the advantage/disadvantage it gives however I think the performance of todays gear mechs is such that there is a definite and clear advantage to using them. The bottom line is that if it's a bmx race then it MUST be a bmx bike used otherwise don't call it a BMX race and allow run what ya brung :daumenhoch:
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You know what I find is a crying shame about this, The Brits weekend was the best BMX event I have ever attended, 20 members of RAD raced at that meet, yet they only got a handfull of comments, then we have this topic that looks like it will run and run. Oh well thats the english nature I suppose, always look on the gloomy side of life :-[
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Well i'll kick it off talking about us who raced there.
It was brilliant doing moto's with the likes of schofield,jules,stockwell...even though they smoked us :coolsmiley:
It was a pleasure meeting mike wong,what a nice bloke :daumenhoch:
I was s-h-i-t-t-i-n-g myself lining up with nikki webb for our run off for the semi's and she flew out the gate.....cheers for the slip up niki you made me look good :LolLolLolLol:
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Gotta say Lee, lining up for that run off i was well bricking it, wanted a semi place so bad, still gutted but was a quality race down the first straight til i fooked up and let ya win ;) :LolLolLolLol:
The quality of racing at the Brits and lining up against the likes of Craig made my year :4_17_5:
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Fire the bugger up. :LolLolLolLol:
Formula One teams spend millions exploiting loopholes so I say it goes.
If you don't like it change the rules.
like the 4x race at shef indoor. no cruisers no bmx
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It's things like this that make you want to throw a steak a some one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyJUxSH2RP8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyJUxSH2RP8)
'That's what I'm talking about!'
;D
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I beat Craig at the weekend and it now ranks as the highlight of my bmxing carear.
Mind you he's still got all the skills and the balls to match as he jumped almsot everything in sight. :daumenhoch:
Fingers crossed he makes a comeback.
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Interesting this thread gets so much response on here, i never met
the guy in the motos or the semi so the main was our first race he
had 1st gate pick and went for 1 i had 2nd pick and went for lane 2
big mistake, did he change gear down the 1st straight i dont know
but he was quick and i dont think its been mentioned yet but he was
clipped in as well. I was gutted to fall and come in 8th after being
really up for it with two 1sts in my motos and winning my semi.
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Hi Gents,
This thread is interesting BUT what ever is said 'Rules are made to be broken or bent' to suit the needs of the person/rider/driver who ever.
I have watched 40+ racing and competed even though I am totally crap at it but I enjoy even at the age of 53 being on the gate with who ever and having a go.
This year as the last 2/3 have been, have seen the standard of competition in this age group go from strength to strength, Shaun Calvert, Jamie Spence, Tony Slater, Kev Ranscombe etc al all very competitive riders and exceptionally fit men, as well as being able to ride a bike.
The rules say you must do X amount of regionals to compete at the British Championships, a one off 'BMX' event.
So dispensation or not because of conflicting 4X race meetings, is that the decicated BMX communities fault?
I competed along with my son Simon for many years and it cost a small fortune in travelling expences, hotels, camp sites, food, etc etc so for the dedicated amongst you who have battled all year and suffered injuries along the way these rules need to be changed and made fair for all competitors.
In my opinion I would liked to have seen Dave on a cruiser battling with Tony in what we all class as a fair fight for the win.
I look forward to seeing ALL of you battling it out on a level playing field, No gripes, No niggles just plain good solid hard racing and may the best man win.
Now who do we see about a 50+ race category next year?
Who would be interested?
Thanks for letting me get this off my chest and if I bored you.SORRY!!!!
Cheers,
Caddy Senior.
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Now who do we see about a 50+ race category next year?
Who would be interested?
Paul you can be pretty certain that you and I are the only "over 50s" on here who still race (well, I trundle around occassionally) so it should be quite an elite class!! What should we call the class then?? "Crusty Old F**ts" ?? More like "Geriatrics" !! Humps
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hi guys
not been on here for a while as mostly been working very hard and competeing at the summer regional and national series and of coarse the brits.
well i raced next to the guy on the 4x bike in two of my 40+ cruiser moto's and my semi and all i can say is it seemed to me that there was an advantage out of the gate and down the firtst straight and as im not a slouch my self on a cruiseri did feel disadvantaged.
the only thing that bugs me is as every one seem to agree that the britts is a premier bmx meeting and not a 4x meeting so why could he not ride a cruiser.
did not make the final this year as crashed out in my semi battling for a 3rd spot :'(
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Dispensasion is down to the region he rides for, if he had asked the East Aglia region for dispensasion we would have said "get on your gay springy bike" >:(
The blame lies squarley at the foot of whoever let him in ???
I quite enjoyed boooing him over the line :)
Lets hope the rule book is changed slightley, I don't want to diss all 4xers coz some of my club members ride em.
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BCF need to sort this out :knuppel2:
BMX is exactly that not fookin 4x mtb shit :rant:
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everyone else in that race should hold their heads up high. all those who competed in a bmx race on a bmx. and Mr Ratty, you are indeed a very big man to stand up for the mtb'er at the beginning of this thread.
big respect to all you true sportmen/women (sportspersons????) . you're all my heroes, and great accomplishment by you all to have been in such a prestigious event. please give yourselves a big, hearty pat on the back on behalf of all of us out here in radland. you should all be exceptionally proud of yourselves, Best regards, Neil.
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everyone else in that race should hold their heads up high. all those who competed in a bmx race on a bmx. and Mr Ratty, you are indeed a very big man to stand up for the mtb'er at the beginning of this thread.
big respect to all you true sportmen/women (sportspersons????) . you're all my heroes, and great accomplishment by you all to have been in such a prestigious event. please give yourselves a big, hearty pat on the back on behalf of all of us out here in radland. you should all be exceptionally proud of yourselves, Best regards, Neil.
well said that man :daumenhoch:
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Gents,
Lets forget what has gone on now, it is'nt going to change the result.
Its down to ALL of you in 40+ to now train hard over the winter and improve to such a standard that you are the best and do it legally.
I don't think any of you guys would 'cheat' to win a race, fight fair and square, if a gap is left go for it.
The word cheat is a bit harsh, the rule book as everyone has said on this thread and the other one on BMX Talk needs to addressed ASAP.
Does anyone fancy challenging the BCF??????????????
Cheers again,
Paul.
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The BCF seem to do a reasonable job, most of the time, the events I have attended that are officiated by them usually run very smoothly. I do feel that there are not enough BMX riders in the top team to call the shots. Any sport should be run by people who are passionate about the sport, not people who dont know a lot about the sport. The rules do need looking at and updating as a matter of urgency. But until that, as caddy said, its down to all of us to train hard and win the correct way....
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Thanks for the praise Paul, if you want to get a 50+ group going
talk to Roger "rollback" Wilbraham at BC headquarters, i spoke
to him at Burnham about having a 40+ age for 20" he said as
long as there is enough interest of definate riders who will sign
up they will be happy to run it good luck. Kev Ranscombe
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i"d be interested in the 20" 40+ defo, was considering masters next year even though i"d get my ass kicked but i prefer riding my 20" its more fun and sketchy :LolLolLolLol:
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Ok, somebody let this bloke in the race Zippy......bit didnt he feel a bit shady not being on a single speed rigid bike ? I hope some week ass MTB mag does not belittle BMX over this bloke winning a premier BMX event at his first go.
I entered a downhill race at Penhurst in Kent, back in the very early days of racing there, I rode my Proclass cruiser.Rode with a hangover, set the quickest time and thrashed some arrogant twats who went on to be so called MTB hotshots....."sorry mate your not on an MTB your time dont count" :wtf:make him defend his title next year on a cruiser and on flats !
You still got my box of goodies Wolfy ?