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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: HEYWOOD BMX on September 19, 2007, 11:31 AM
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:(Just got October issue if Ride.Never been one to knock this magazine,but oh dear-what has happened.It usedto be a good read but is now just full of ads.New Fly Bikes rims in the product section-probably good but seen it all before.What have they got against racing anyways'to me BMX is BMX,be it flat/street/vert/trails/racing/old/new school.
Sad really...
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Never buy it since last years CIN ride mate.........but from flicking through one, i have to say you're right! i'd sau about 70% of the mag was adds
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ride stopped including racing in the mag when riders started using the clipless "disco slippers" pedals,
i cant say i blame them like, its just NOT bmx :2gunsfiring_v1:
despite that i do agree, its utter wank recently, same old spoilt middle class posh boys desperately try to be "street" every week,
should be re-named "dire bmx magazine"
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Lots of kids trying to be as dirty as possible ???
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Ride mag has been shite for years! (Except Chris Job's contributions obviously! :daumenhoch:)
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I don't buy it, or even look - but surely its better than nothing, if only by a little bit.
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i use it to squash flys .utter drivel adds adds adds ubber poop
i do read chris's bits and move through it quickly garbage.......
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I always like the 'new products' page, but thats the same for most BMX mags. There doesnt seem to be much to read in RideUK. Oh, what is the repro classic thing in this issue? They sometimes make good reading.
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Is it just me that thinks this, or is most of the stuff in the BMX mags these days, about the BMX image/lifestyle rather than the BMX riding?
I'm not saying BMX isn't a way of life for some people. But the riding should always be the most important thing.
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coming at this from an old MTB rider who used to buy and read those mags, i really like the format of those.....they always have loads of items such as 'how too?' and tech pages, like how to strip and reasemble a crank? and product reviews where they ride diferent bikes and give them a right good beating, then write up their comments.
I'd much rather read stuff like that about BMX's as well as seeing some dirty looking oik riding up a wall......but pages and pages of adds? and interviews aking things like "what was the last video you watched?" purleaze! credit your readers with some inteligence! >:(
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Yeh its sh1te , I used to think it was bad when grotbags was the main contributer , but it is even worse now. but i still go out and buy it it is BMX after all. the George french pages are by far the most interesting. :daumenhoch:
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This topic is interesting..
As I am "new" to the "scene" I got it this week....
WHAT A fookING COMPLETE AND UTTER WASTE OF £4 QUID ODD.
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"Ride mag has been shite for years! (Except Chris Job's contributions obviously!"
hey laz don't beat around the bush. just get down on your knee and pukka up that tongue!
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grotbags
I remember Paul riding a crappy odds and sods Supergoose at Haydon Hall and Harrow Skatepark, used to follow us around everywhere :LolLolLolLol:
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ride is changing i heard alot less americain shit and more uk shit and i think john dye will be contributing so if it is iwill buy it again
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It's always gone up and down in my opinion. I don't buy it anymore because a) I don't feel the need to pay to see adverts, and b) I have nothing in common with the brakeless whippers that seem to fill the pages these days...
But I'm sure I'll start buying it again one day.
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it is pish poor - far too many road trip write ups and pages of whats on ya ipod etc
its a shame they dont do things like proper bike tests, where they actually ride the bikes, like the old days giving em to Sid salisbury to try and break them :daumenhoch: snowboard mags still have proper tests of boards like this
theres not enough techy stuff in it either or 'how to's'
they should cover different styles of riding more as well
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THe problem with bike tests is they never tell you what actualy went wrong with the bike, esp if the bike company are paying for add space cos they dont wanna pee them off. It used to drive me mad when a new model frame solved a problem that the magazine didnt tell you about first time. They only said it was ever an issue when they were testing the bike with the solution!
You cant blame them. You dont wanna bite the hand that feeds you, but bike companies should make good stuff, and be held up if they cant ... no mater how much add space they buy :rant:
hey, Ive never got to use the "rant on, rant off" thing before! Cool.
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So far as I can see you don't get proper product tests because it's not about product as it was in the 80's, it's about "lifestyle".
There's also the cynical view that if they started to do group bike tests again, it'd show that they're nearly all the same. :LolLolLolLol:
Seriously though, the frames are starting to get a little more unique in places, but in the main you can still take the stickers off and no one would be able to tell what's what. It's cool that colours are back though.
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dig mag is better, though its been taken over by guys from ride so that probably go down hill now
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Just bought the mag and read Wilkerson's top 5. Is anyone going diving in San Diego bay to look for his old Sport? :)
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dig mag is better, though its been taken over by guys from ride so that probably go down hill now
Dig is just Published by the Ride guys. Its still made by the Dig crew
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I stopped buying it years ago when they stopped covering the race scene. Like many, I am against clip pedals in bmx, but like it or not they're legal and they get used by all the top pros nowadays, so Ride's reasons for not covering racing are pretty poor. They just aren't interested in catering for 'real' bmx people anymore, rather the middle class 'lifestyle' kids who care more about what new gay micro gearing or stupidly small & narrow bars are this week's must-have fashion accessory.
If Ride think that clip pedals make racing look boring then what the F*** does a constant stream of peg-grind pics say about street riding. Change the record FFS. If you've bought one Ride mag in the last ten years then you don't need to buy another, they're all exactly the same. Filled with ads, boring 'grind' pics, and every new 10lb frame looking like it came out the same factory in Taiwan. There is absolutely nothing in an edition of Ride mag that I can't find on the net, free of charge.
There was a new online race mag started last year in the USA. Isn't it about time some web-savvy bmxers on this side of the pond got together and came up with a UK or Euro web-based mag which catered for all aspects of bmxing, with some decent content???
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SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE IN THERE? If it's commercially viable then they'll do it and I don't mean advertising, just if it will reach a viable audience. Do we know how many old schoolers/non clip racers are out there? Can we get some site stats? How many members etc?
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I stopped buying it years ago when they stopped covering the race scene. Like many, I am against clip pedals in bmx, but like it or not they're legal and they get used by all the top pros nowadays, so Ride's reasons for not covering racing are pretty poor. They just aren't interested in catering for 'real' bmx people anymore, rather the middle class 'lifestyle' kids who care more about what new gay micro gearing or stupidly high&wide bars are this week's must-have fashion accessory.
If Ride think that clip pedals make racing look boring then what the F*** does a constant stream of peg-grind pics say about street riding. Change the record FFS. If you've bought one Ride mag in the last ten years then you don't need to buy another, they're all exactly the same. Filled with ads, boring 'grind' pics, and every new 5lb frame looking like it came out the same factory in Taiwan. There is absolutely nothing in an edition of Ride mag that I can't find on the net, free of charge.
There was a new online race mag started last year in the USA. Isn't it about time some web-savvy bmxers on this side of the pond got together and came up with a UK or Euro web-based mag which catered for all aspects of bmxing, with some decent content???
fixed that for you :daumenhoch:
for me its far too focused one one small group of "friends"
anyone would think no-one outside of a "certain area" even rode a bmx,
it needs to represent the whole of the uk rather than just one "trendy" bunch,
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fixed that for you :daumenhoch:
;D They might as well be 10lb!!
Clive, I totally understand the guys at Ride have to look at the commercial aspect if they are to stay in business and, with the best will in the world, there are undoubtedly more 'lifestyle' kids out there willing to buy a bmx mag than all of us oldschoolers and the UK race scene put together. But I'm not saying put racing and other forms of bmx into the mag at the expense of the other content, rather put it in as well as the present content. Thay way they keep their present readership happy and hopefully bag a few more into the bargain.
I think a lot of racers feel the reason put forward by Ride not to include racing is pathetic. Apparently none of their photographers will snap racers using clip pedals, and there aren't any other photographers good enough to contribute pics to them. Good for Ride that they disapprove of clip pedals - So do I and many other riders. But I enjoy racing - That's how I started riding 26 years ago, and so it would be nice to see a UK 'bmx' mag giving some support and coverage to our Olympic hopefuls and world champs than some spotty youth who came 3rd in the B Group 'Armpit Of Nowhere' Jam
Costs will always be an issue for any mag to include coverage of what is, in reality, a relatively small 'scene'. By that I mean the oldschool scene and the whole UK race scene. Compared to the number of guys who just ride street, parks etc we are very much in the minority so we're unlikely to be high on the agenda of ways that Ride could increase their profits.
Personally, my own BMX info needs are well catered for by this site, bmxtalk and the BC website. I would still buy Ride if they included coverage of racing because they are good at what they do, and I'm sure that they could come up with an article that, depite how boring they might think racing has become, people would enjoy reading. It's a shame that some of todays kids might be missing out on racing because of a lack of magazine coverage.
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Oh and Clive,
Could you ask Tim how he likes my oldschool build I'm working on............. :laugh:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g260/kennyhunter4130/proclass6.jpg)
PS. When u gonna post a pic of your Floval so I can see if it's as bling as Mr Boyle's? ;)
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more uk reports and bike testing as it a nightmare for newcomers and just layed out better as does seem a tad all over , i can understand the adverts as that what keeps mags running and what happened to the for sale bit as good for bikes and hook up`s messages as not everyone use`s ebay
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if its a money thing purely and simply then the adds will pay.
us old farts have been about for 25 years and still about today.
we ride oldschool, mid school and everything on the market today.
im just lacing up some z rims on one bike, and a bruce krisman reverse freecoaster hub on another
quite a gap in eras and we or alot find that we have to use the web and forums to find out if these parts last ,work stuff like that
magazines in todays www.culture do well to keep going but listening to part of the audience wont hurt.
im up for a test lol dan
give big tim a hug from us we aint nasty just keyboard warriors.
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there has been a few OS articals in ride, but they are few and far between :-\ its mainly adds and road trips, its the same every month, i only buy it if there are any good OS stuff in it, but i did buy it every month, i must admit i prefere bmx plus and allways have, as its got racing in aswell, gome on ride put some racing in , and a bit of history, :daumenhoch: then you might sell more, to us old farts ;)
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Regardless of clips, Ride needs to start covering racing again.
Some of the current readership might think racing and old school stuff is naff or gay, but they'll get over it, just as we had to get over Ride featuring no racing for the last X years, but most of us still continued to buy the mag, cos at the end of the day, it's still a BMX mag.
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most of us still continued to buy the mag, cos at the end of the day, it's still a BMX mag.
Nail on the head! Id buy BMX Plus if I ever saw it for sale anywhere.
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I still have every issue of Ride Mag from day 1 when it changed from Invert to Ride (minus 1 or 2 issues maybe, that I still bought, but the kids got at). It was actually a chance finding of Invert at Xmas 1990 the got me back into BMX after a 4 or 5 year hiatus, so I've still got a lot of love for 4130, even if I don't really fit into their demographic these days.
BMX Plus is still as cheesy and fluffy as ever, but I still love it, and still buy it whenever I see it, cos I like to see what's going on in BMX over the pond.
Pity BMX World isn't out over here.
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I always kinda liked bmx plus ... yes its not "hardcore" but its always happy and upbeat .... exactly what bmx should be IMHO.
As for Mark Noble and his ever self "blowing his own horn" what more do you expect.
he's opinionated, often wrong and never steps up to admit or rectify problems or mistakes he has caused.
And just for the record I know for a fact that most of the time they never test the bikes .....
Personally I get more use from an argos catalog than a ride uk magazine
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Bmx plus forever, and bring back radical rick :4_17_5:
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I quite like Ride, it covers a lot of stuff and I do like looking at ads (as I'm in the advertising business) - I like to see whats new.
Most of the longer articles are commericially driven (or appear to be), but then again for a BMX mag to survive you need to be commericial - you can't survive any other way. It does however mean that less-commercial articles (i.e. non branded stuf) such as the BMX Masters is always a bit low on coverage, which for such an amazing event is a bit disappointing. We had a bigger write up here.
Anyhow we need Ride - it presents the industry, attracts new riders and drives demand for product and the sport. Can that be bad?
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I think the main problem with Ride (well its not a problem with the mag as such) is that the BMX scene in general is made up of people in the sub 25 age group and thats who the magazine has to appeal most to
Most of us lot are pushing 40 and expecting the magazine to please us as well as the students!
I agree that it is stacked full of adverts and to be honest I dont think ive ever seen another magazine currently available (not just in the cycling genre) with anything like as many adverts! wether thats a good thing or a bad thing I dont know (probably fantastic for the ad execs salary!)
In my opinion Ride mag has a very teenage feel to it and if you think about it reading that now is kind of like your dad reading
Look- in magazine when you were a kid!
For a long time Ride (or Invert as it was) has had its knockers and the only people really to be pro-active about it is James Hudson (BMX now which was ace....shame he didnt have the funds to progress it) and Will Smyth (DIG magazine)
I bought Ride a couple of months back and I agree that it has a lot of full page adverts and not much content that pertains to a 37 year old who likes to reminisce about the old days, so I did the best thing I could do and stuck it in the recycling and decided not to buy it again!
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I quite like Ride, it covers a lot of stuff and I do like looking at ads (as I'm in the advertising business) - I like to see whats new.
Most of the longer articles are commericially driven (or appear to be), but then again for a BMX mag to survive you need to be commericial - you can't survive any other way. It does however mean that less-commercial articles (i.e. non branded stuf) such as the BMX Masters is always a bit low on coverage, which for such an amazing event is a bit disappointing. We had a bigger write up here.
Anyhow we need Ride - it presents the industry, attracts new riders and drives demand for product and the sport. Can that be bad?
but no racing, so it doesnt push , what started bmx in the first place :tickedoff:
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I quite like Ride, it covers a lot of stuff and I do like looking at ads (as I'm in the advertising business) - I like to see whats new.
Most of the longer articles are commericially driven (or appear to be), but then again for a BMX mag to survive you need to be commericial - you can't survive any other way. It does however mean that less-commercial articles (i.e. non branded stuf) such as the BMX Masters is always a bit low on coverage, which for such an amazing event is a bit disappointing. We had a bigger write up here.
Anyhow we need Ride - it presents the industry, attracts new riders and drives demand for product and the sport. Can that be bad?
but no racing, so it doesnt push , what started bmx in the first place :tickedoff:
No, I see that, but Ride isn't about Racing, it's about the lifestyle, ramps and street...any magazine has to move with what's popular and what they feel is their remit.
I was surprised when they lost the 44-16 section, and the flatland section seems to be disappearing too (Chris - no doubt you'll be fighting to keep it!)...but that's the sign of the times. BMX Racing is very seperate from the popular 'BMX' scene, but it's set to grow with it's inclusion in the olympics and will no doubt re-appear in Ride as it's popularilty re-emerges.
Like I say, I enjoy Ride, it is what it is - a magazine which constantly re-invents it's content to reflect the 'scene' as they and their readers see it...it has to do this to survive - as being on the button attracts advertisers, and advertisers pay the salaries. Without advertisers there would be no magazine and no newsagent-shelf voice.
I do agree however with everyones points; it's a massive shame that there has been a move away from racing, it's a shame there are loads of ads and it's a shame that there is not a magazine in the world that is something to everyone.
But, thank god we have the internet and destinations like RADBMX where we can keep everything alive. Sit tight ZED, the re-imergence of racing is coming...and I can't wait.
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:daumenhoch: fingers crossed, makes you wonder ,would mr march use clips if racing now ? ;)
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GUYS, ,THIS IS GREAT!!!! So many very varied an valid opinions and you're all right!!!!
OK here's the deal, took Mark some choocy corn flake cakes today (just to butter him up)! Tim has gone to vegas with Will. I told Mark that he needs to do some old school and racing stuff and he is into it, we discussed how MOTO (sister mx mag to ride) has a load of retro stuff and it's dead popular. So I can pitch it, how can we find out how big the old school scene is (anyone know how many members we have here?) and also what kind of stuff do you want to see? the problem is if I get them to run a full on shoot of a retre bike, you guys see it every day so how would it interest you? The problem with the old stuff is that we have all seen it for years haven't we? However if we could track down some old dudes and interview them, that would be cool!
One idea I have is to cover the OS scene, feature a die hard collector with passion to a guy that does deals in OS just for the cash? Different opinions and all that but i'm not sure how much milage is in there! Your comments are awesome though guys, a real inspiration!
Also the problem with covering the current race scene is probably more about contributors. If someone from the scene could get some decent pics and words, i'm sure they would look at it.
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3274 members Chris...and growing at about 5 a day... :daumenhoch:
We have some awesome collectors on here that do it for the love...and there is only one guy I can think of who's just in it for the money...
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GUYS, ,THIS IS GREAT!!!! So many very varied an valid opinions and you're all right!!!!
OK here's the deal, took Mark some choocy corn flake cakes today (just to butter him up)! Tim has gone to vegas with Will. I told Mark that he needs to do some old school and racing stuff and he is into it, we discussed how MOTO (sister mx mag to ride) has a load of retro stuff and it's dead popular. So I can pitch it, how can we find out how big the old school scene is (anyone know how many members we have here?) and also what kind of stuff do you want to see? the problem is if I get them to run a full on shoot of a retre bike, you guys see it every day so how would it interest you? The problem with the old stuff is that we have all seen it for years haven't we? However if we could track down some old dudes and interview them, that would be cool!
One idea I have is to cover the OS scene, feature a die hard collector with passion to a guy that does deals in OS just for the cash? Different opinions and all that but i'm not sure how much milage is in there! Your comments are awesome though guys, a real inspiration!
Also the problem with covering the current race scene is probably more about contributors. If someone from the scene could get some decent pics and words, i'm sure they would look at it.
3274 members Chris...and growing at about 5 a day... :daumenhoch:
We have some awesome collectors on here that do it for the love...and there is only one guy I can think of who's just in it for the money...
i wonder who you mean :LolLolLolLol: this is great, i would subscribe to ride if they did this, and im sure many more would aswell, :4_17_5: imagine seeing your pic in a popular bmx magazine, one to show your kids ;) :daumenhoch:
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OK I had another chat today and I think i'm making some headway! Watch this space but also keep any ideas coming.
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We`ve got something to announce later on Clive which might be right up your and Rides Street so to speak :daumenhoch:
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things like history sections on racing and freestyle, i know the youngsters might cringe but it all started back in the 70's. old bike test would be cool, compairing old with new, and a look at the stars of yester year, and of course the OS racing today, :4_17_5: this would be so cool, keep us posted mate, :daumenhoch:
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What about racing now? Do you want to see new school racing in the mag as well as no clips?
Cool Bill, look forward to whatever it is mate....
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What about racing now? Do you want to see new school racing in the mag as well as no clips?
Cool Bill, look forward to whatever it is mate....
:daumenhoch: of course , :4_17_5:
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I don't mind the ads so much as long as there is an even balance of good content. Plus, when you're a kid, the ads were always an exciting part of the mag so you can spec out your dream bike. Everyone must remember the Surrey BMX, Alpine Sports/Action, Faze 7, Hot Shot, Gecko Leisure Products, etc ads and choosing what bits they wanted on their dream bikes!
Personally, I think Mark Noble and 4130 deserve props for keeping Invert going and then Ride through the lean years. Fair enough, the mag has lost its appeal to a lot of us older guys recently. But if they're prepared to listen to potential new readers, that's a good thing.
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But look how long bmx plus has been going, and they have racing in it :daumenhoch: i think they started back in 78-79 ish :4_17_5:
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I think half of the problem is it has been hard to make racing look good in the mags, not just now there are clips and gate jumping allowed (can't believe slingshot starts are allowed, I can hear Brian Patterson on the Kellogs now "I ADMIT IT, I JUMPED!!!") but even back in fromteh late eighties through to mid nineties, racing got very little coverage. I think that there is a way to cover a lot of this stuff without making racing look gay to the 'street' majority of RIDE readership, which isn't in the racers interest anyway.
Keep the ideas coming and also keep an ear open for what Billystup has to announce.
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For me (after BMXA) Snap magazine was the best EVER :smitten:
BUT BMXRider (UK) was good and I even got a few mentions in there (more to do with my shenanginins with Scandanavian girls whilst working in Greece than my riding :LolLolLolLol: )
NMKY contributed to them and was a damn good writer so I dont see why he couldnt do it now with Ride?
He even bought a BURNER this week so is well Old School ffs
there are writers and snappers out there (Billy Wright) how hard can it be?
:) DINGO :)
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It was this Clive :
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=45184.0;topicseen
I hear Ride are coming to this so perhaps there might be a bit of coverage :daumenhoch:
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bmxrider was ok, i got a few letters wrote up in there, ;) theres a pic of me with a big afro on in one of them :daumenhoch:
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It was this Clive :
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=45184.0;topicseen
I hear Ride are coming to this so perhaps there might be a bit of coverage :daumenhoch:
I can see Ride covering stuff like this but in reality I dont think that they need to cover racing or the OS Scene, not that im knocking either but in my opinion neither fit with what the magazine/industry is about these days!
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It would be nice to see some old Action Bike favourites in Ride - Me & my bike (new school riders), product shootouts (complete bikes under £300, 3 piece cranks, rims etc etc), small articles with a complete 'parts' breakdown of what's on the top rider's bikes, a look behind the scenes at the factories of some of the industry's big (and small) players, revisit some 'historic' events that Ride have covered in the past - some of the first Backyard jams for example, or how about a seriers of articles on the history of BMX in the UK. I do think that racing should be covered, clips and all. Or just run another highly successful 'No Clips' series on the Saturday nights of next years nationals :daumenhoch:
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It would be nice to see some old Action Bike favourites in Ride - Me & my bike (new school riders), product shootouts (complete bikes under £300, 3 piece cranks, rims etc etc), small articles with a complete 'parts' breakdown of what's on the top rider's bikes, a look behind the scenes at the factories of some of the industry's big (and small) players, revisit some 'historic' events that Ride have covered in the past - some of the first Backyard jams for example, or how about a seriers of articles on the history of BMX in the UK. I do think that racing should be covered, clips and all. Or just run another highly successful 'No Clips' series on the Saturday nights of next years nationals :daumenhoch:
ride do do a section with riders and there bikes its my favourite bit, plus they do bits on parts etc, but abit of racing wouldnt hurt im sure, :daumenhoch: