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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: sam hudson on November 21, 2005, 09:59 PM
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Err,apologies if you have already done a thread on this,but what the hell is this about? I know they are nice bikes but is this seriously worth this money???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7197119525&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:UK:73
I just saw this and put it on so sorry if you have already looked at this.Maybe its one of Stu liverpools 24k gold bikes painted white :o
Is this one of ours???
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Might have cost him that much to build, but it sure isn't worth a grand.
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Maybe his digit slipped and it should read £100 (worth far more than that tho)
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Its nice but I don't think they are single pinch bolt flights, Iv got single pinch bolt Flights on mine + some other better bits. If someone offered me 1K for mine, I think I would sell it. :(
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It probably cost him that to build it up! He would be better off parting it out if he is looking for that kind of money
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not one of mine sam
but one hell of a build
yep i know it seems dear but break down the parts
comes over a grand so worth the dosh
i may have gave an offer if id not free up a bit of mattskybeats BMX HOUSEHOLD HARDRIVE
turbo's 'r'us
cant wait red carpet awaiteths the
stu
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Seller says if no bids he will break it,but only on ebay,no offers? probably best idea to break it?
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If no-one is gonna pay £1k for a H.L.Turbo,i can't see anyone forking out a grand for a (lovely albeit) T.A. even if its a primo ride.Incidentally,i would fork out a grand for a turbo if i had the cash...but then i am deeply silly. :idiot2:
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didnt sell i see. ill mail him and offer a him a packet of golden grahams.
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Man its always a tough one, the amount of money that it costs to throw into a quality build, but you often buy it over a period of months, if you want to sell it, in general people do not want to sepend that much cash in one hit.
I purchased my collection with no expense spared as I just love JMC's, I have no intention of selling them,
my only expectation is that if i ever i needed to sell them I will probably loose lots of money, at least I will not be dissapointed if that ever happens as thats my expectation.
I have put well over £2500 into completing my JMC Andy Patterson, but I know if I advertised it, not many people would consider spending that much.
I personally think the only way you can get cl,ose to getting your money back is breaking down the bikes, unless you have someone that is absolutly mad for your build and they have loads of ££££
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worth over a grand so cant see your point. why should he sell it cheap because you think its expensive.
TAs fandf in nos condition can fetch 350 - 400 quid
hutch beartraps nos can get 300 quid
Nos black tuffs ? at least 150 quid
tyres if correct logo 80 quid
cranks if 401s 250 quid
plus all the other bits
thats 700 quid on a good day just for the frame and pedals , the price of this bike seems fair to me , what would you say its worth then ?
I am confused
Rich
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Well, if i were ever to sell my original white TRM, i would want the earth for it
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thats all you would get for a trm a pile of earth ;D on a more serious note my bikes did more split but it is a lot of hassle ;)
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it`s a hard one to sell it for what it`s worth ie 1k as not everyone has that dosh laying around and if you hunt around you can build a bike cheaper than what that ta is worth ,just two days ago i saw hutch pedals go for 120 ,tuffs 60 to 80 and flites well i knew of some two weeks ago for a ton . on a good day yes it worth as much as someone is willing to pay but like a lot of us we don`t have that kind of income laying around
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the 120 pedals were used though paul
and tuffs with the serial numbers are gonna cost more than 80 quid
yes part it out and its worth more , but it seriously is worth 1k , ok no one bought it , as xmas is coming but its still worth more than a grand in my opinion
PS its not my bike nor do i know whos it is
LOL
Rich
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its defo worth a grand in cash money- people are not so keen on buying a ready built bike tho as its somebody elses interpretation of a build.
he will get its value when he parts it out, I am going to do the same with my NOS ripper next week or so, watch this space :coolsmiley:
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They are only worth what someone wants to pay for em.Really my original question was 'is it really worth this much'? So if the answer is yes ,then fine...lets see if someone buys it tho...THEN its worth it.Not all that confusing.
I still dont know why anyone would pay over £100 for a set of pedals unless they came with a free naked lady.
Is this TA an original set up? They arent my field really so i dont know if you had to build em up or if they were produced to a certain spec.Bikes like the HL turbo were rare,but the components are like rockin horse poo now so thats why i would think that a HL turbo would be more valuable.You could buy a pair of Hutch Bear traps in the 80's but you could'nt buy Hl bits over the counter.
Good luck to the person,i hope he/she gets the Grand...and a free naked lady. ::)
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I only ever saw them as Framesets
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My brother had one of the 1st TA's in the country & it was just F+F .
That TA on the bay looked like it had new Flights on it ? (well new chainwheel anyway) .
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i go with sam id prefer a hl turbo anyday :laugh:
p.s these new smilies are funny :idiot2: :2funny: :angel: :buck2: :coolsmiley: :crazy2: :idiot2: :knuppel2: :laugh: :police: :smiley6600: :smitten: :tickedoff: :uglystupid2: :2gunsfiring_v1: :Aresehole: :LolLolLolLol: :rant: :rant: :wtf: :wtf:
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i've never seen an expensive build sold yet anyway.while the nos stuff keeps popping up i dont think they will.there seems as many ta's about as steetbeats at the moment :LolLolLolLol:
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So in your reconing if something does not sell its not worth that much ?
so all the ferraris in the garage are not worth the price tag as they dont sell that many ?
100 pound for pedals , well that rules out dxs and Hutch then . its about the rarity of an item. I mean are records worth 1000 quid, yes if they are rare enough , are old flyers worth 100 quid , yes some of them again because of the rarity value.
I dont get this " its not worth this and that " it obviously is , if at sometime someone has paid it.
will MX1000s reach 200 quid regulary , i think yes they will , when they all run out
there are only 580 odd memebers on this site at the mo, and prices will rise the more of you that want this stuff
wait for member 5000 , then see if 1k for that bike was expensive
The interest in these bikes is growing daily, and it seems that the initial thoughts that it will die pretty quick are wrong.
we are seeing the begining of 80s collectables, BMX is one aspect of it, flyers, blotter art,casual clothing, computer games, comic book artwork ( 2000ad) all of it becoming a huge market. we are the pioneers of the BMX side , belive me when i say , its going to get bigger and bigger. 80s classics will become as sought after as other eras classics only our generation have more cash to spend.
Rich
Rich
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Waxintaxin
I must say I agree with what you have said. I reckon that the TA was fairly cheap in reality. If you bought the bits, you'd have to pay for postage, it would takes hours to build it and also time to source all the bits. I know of someone that is building NOS bikes to order and they are going in shops, cafe's, pubs, etc (just as a feature) and are not cheap, just what it costs to put them together.
It also costs many 1000's for a good holiday nowadays, 1000's for a car number plate, 1000's for hifi, etc etc etc, some people just pay and have no hassle.
It is hard to find cash at such short notice for most people, but it will not be long before this stuff does all dry up and then it will go for serious monies. Lets not forget that these bikes and bits are cheap compared to the prices we paid in the early 80's, a F&F was usually over £150 then. If it has only doubled in 20 - 25 years, wages, houses, car prices are well over that.
It won't be long before some of these rare bikes with race / competition history get sold at an auction house and then it will be in the public domain and mainstream, resulting in even more collectors, not just people generally in their 30's.
Just look into the classic motorcyle / scooter scene, things that you could ride over fields that cost very little in the 70's and 80's are going for serious cash now and are collected by young and old worldwide.
One thing is for sure, that TA will not ever loose money, or any other NOS BMX item, can you imagine it being worth less in the future?
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Greentoad said
It won't be long before some of these rare bikes with race / competition history get sold at an auction house and then it will be in the public domain and mainstream, resulting in even more collectors, not just people generally in their 30's.
Yep , and its not just there that this will break into the mainstream, I know of a few projects that will raise the profile of the scene to new audiences and as a result will increase the desirability.
To give you an example
I rode the baby blue quad around the truman brewery in E1 London a very cool place, not one person who came up to me knew they were collectible and every one wanted it and was prepared to offer big money for it. For me its not about the cash , i laughed 3 years ago when people were hording this stuff to sell at a profit, and still think its about the memorys and the buzz it gives you , only saying that its silly to think its all not worth that much.
I would not buy a complete bike myself , as i love the chase and the building but its about the long game and realising what you have and what stuff is worth.
I could sell a TA frame and forks for 500 quid easy i know of 3 or 4 people who would not bat an eyelid, they pay 600 quid for rare denims and lots on japanese and USA plastic toys , just not to an existing collector, someone who sees it and does not care about the money , that 4 me tells me what this stuff is going to fetch, wouldnt do it as thats just not cricket but it makes you think for sure
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I would not buy a complete bike myself , as i love the chase and the building but its about the long game and realising what you have and what stuff is worth.
rich you've just explained to us all why bikes dont sell but as parts it would easily do that
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there are only 580 odd memebers on this site at the mo, and prices will rise the more of you that want this stuff
wait for member 5000
Amen to that Rich......when I first found oldschoolbmx.com there were 8 UK guys!! Yes 8
I thought £20 was a lot for nos mx1000's back then and boy do I wish I bought a lot more sets!
You never told me you were laughing at me behind my back for hoarding stuff tho' Rich ;) :)
As for the TA's you could sell for £500....I wish you told me coz I just sold a real nice chrome one for £200 :(
Now, about this aero pro burner.......
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Si I could not do it to someone mate , you know me
I merley point out that value is relative to someones desire of an Item , without knowledge of this scene and current price structure, a re powdered re stickered white TA is a fooookin cool thing and people who buy cool things would think 500 cheap.
Rich :)
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si you horde stuff cos you love it :angel:
Rich :)
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Hey Rich...I forgot the winking smiley on the TA comment mate!!
I was happy with £200 but totally agree with you about the price of stuff... at work today I've had to get a pension quote for a 34 year old on £80k a year....if he had or wanted a TA as a kid and knew about the old school scene I am pretty sure he would think nothing of dropping a grand for a bike like that...pretty damn good value if you ask me in the big scheme of things.
I think most people here know how much I love this stuff, I know I'm a certifiable hoarder. Anyone who has tried to get me to sell something will know how much I hate to part with it - I don't even like selling burners! ;) :LolLolLolLol:
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Speaking of which...
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got a burner to sell ORB??
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Fuk me , people are prepared to pay 900 quid on a sheet of non used LSD IE a big sheet of tabs with no active ingedient non seperated , so there ya go
Rich :)
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lol...
no,
But I am after a Raleigh Mag 20 (baby blue with black mags)
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LSD IE a big sheet of tabs with no active ingedient non seperated
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:wtf: - is that??
Orb, like this one:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v614/retrogeezer1/IMG_2283.jpg)
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:)
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I seriously don't know what this is??
LSD IE a big sheet of tabs with no active ingedient non seperated
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its a secret code! Ssssshhh ;)
:idiot2: ;D
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Aciiiiiiiid
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Off the subject of the TA but -
The creation of blotter has become an underground art form leading to an array of creative and stunning designs. It is likely that a few of the blotter designs shown have never been dipped and were created purely as art.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_images_gallery1.shtml
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ah - I see...
My mum would not approve of the company I keep!
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Supply and demand is a fundemental economic principle...if no one will pay the asking price its not worth it.
Who's HL turbo was up for £950 and did'nt sell? I think it was worth every penny but no-one would buy it,so you hang on to it until someone is prepared to pay £950 or you drop the price.
If Mr £80 k a year doesnt actually put his hand in his pocket then it doesnt matter what he earns-he's not in the market .The Ferraris in the garage are'nt worth their asking price until they have realised them,they are worth what the dealer PAID for them ...classic car nuts are worse than us,they wont pay if a car is too highly priced.If you try to restore an E-type Jag,it will cost you £60 k to do it really well but you can buy a nice restored one for £30 K...thats the market for you...I did'nt say it was fair.
I dont get this " its not worth this and that " it obviously is , if at sometime someone has paid it.
If you have seen an identical TA sell for £1000,then you are right...its worth a grand.Thats what i've been saying,i agree with you.I know you were talking about the components and they are collectively worth more than a grand but whats the WHOLE bike worth?(see Jag E-type).
After all this bollo#, i havent even looked to see if that TA has sold for a grand ;D...i bet it'll sell for about 2 million squid now.
Its all worth it if it makes you happy
This has been fun and raised a few eyebrows,its been like newsnight on BMX's :tickedoff:
and dont give me stick about E-type prices...this has been enough. ;)
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The fact is, what ever you can get for a bike is what it is worth, if i want to pay 20000000 squid for a CC pro lite, thats what its worth, to me.
If i want to sell a TRM and i put a reserve of six billion squid, thats what its worth, to me.
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I'm with you. :LolLolLolLol:
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last point i am going to make and that is as this scene gets bigger and prices go up also the fun disappear`s as when thinks starting going for stupid money and more new collectors come in thats when problems will happen it allready happened as i don`t find the stuff like i used to as so many other people looking as well. i will say there more mates out there into bmx that i know than 4 years ago but there is a price for that
i myself don`t have the income for bmx as i did say two years ago and never will and like a lot of people never will but love old bmx`s . but as you say rich if stuff does go up and up people like myself will either disappear or just look at old bmx`s and go i wish i could afford that and the collectors who know nothing about bmx will have the bikes as there investment.
sad but true as it happen`s with most things
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Paul you are right mate , i dont agree with it either , however you have a nice collection already based on your love for the bikes and what they mean to you, thats more that alot of the newer members have got or will ever have the chance of owning.
Yep Sam it aint fair, and yes i have kinda assumed that the parts make the bike well worth a grand , I have veered off the point a bit with blotter art , but just point out that 30 somethings are prepared to pay big money for stuff , jeez 900 quid for a sheet of paper, with penguins on it lol
Si , blotter art can reach huge sums for the right piece , copies are availiable on the web , and they look fantastic , but the real ones can fetch huge money, plus they are dry IE no LSD on them at all weird
http://www.blotterart.com/
I will shut up now as i feel like a bit of a geek
Rich
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heh heh red dragons. forgot about them. never seen most of the others tho. no ohms , strawberrys, microdots, winow panes, pink floyds.
i knew some one who tried selling the clipped bits of clipper cards in the ritz in manchester. said they were called "numbers".
some of the guys who bought them and werent pleased collered him the next week and said hey they were great those, come outside and sort us out with a few more.....
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It is cyclical, at the begining of the year NOS black elina lightening bolt seats, were like gold dust and the prices acheived on ebay had been as high as $200, now they seem to be 2 a penny and I have just seen one with a BIN of $60.
The value of the whole versus buying and building yourself seems to be at the heart of it. The people on this site and also those on the classic car forums etc are of the same ilk, they would much rather do the sourcing of parts and complete the build themselves (although from his post last night) Darren might get someone to help build it up!! ;)
Afterall, it is only those in the know that can appreciate that a 20 plus year old bike built up as the ta has been would be worth more broken down, because I for and am sure I'm not alone here would like some of the parts for my own builds.
Lets see what it goes for.
Regards
Paul
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oops didn't sell!
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:-[
How do you think i feel....i started this. :-[
We'll all be restoring Crud Munchers soon.(Mud Crunchers that is...not some bizarre dogging type activity).
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debate is healthy
sam you started a topic that got some interest , well done i say
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Phil
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7365843715&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1
mine now lol , gonna look cool in a frame
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There is a glut of lightening bolt seats, once people know there is a good supply they are not prepared to pay the premium, im not prepared to pay a premium price for hutch parts either due to all the fakes that are around, black kashimax seats were very expensive untill people started dyeing them.
original NOS parts that we know are very few and far between will keep on rising in value, I dont beleive there will be a price bubble with the rare NOS parts as the supply will run out, unless of course somebody unearths a huge amount, then the prices will come down as there will be enough to go round.
Lees turbo is worth every penny if not more, (to me) I do not see why this bike didnt sell as it is a stock turbo, if somebody were to build their own it would be the same parts needed, my only guess as to why it didnt sell is a) maybe somebody wants the thrill of the chase finding the stock parts themselves b) it doesnt have the original finish, if it were an original survivor, and would need only a clean up, then it would get very near the asking price is my guess.
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Personally, i am not a big fan of NOS goods, resto is way more fun and the result is a million times for satisfying.
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i too like to restore stuff.
NOS parts are nice though. for me it all boils down the the price.
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I often wonder if it's worth buying todays 'new school' stuff, and hoarding it until this generation becomes like us and wants it all back again. I just can't get excited about the modern gear though.
Also, how long will it be until the now 30 somethings don't want 'old school' stuff any more, and the next generation have no sentiment for it ? Or will it always be desireable, due to it's age and history ?
BTW, is the Turbo still for sale ? ;)
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good point
us 30 somethings are probably gonna be the last generation to cherish this stuff
it could very well plummet in value in years to come.
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I dont actually give a shite about what happens to the value of my parts.
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me neither
they are for my own enjoyment.
orb that picture you sent me of your rug with 5 f+f's on has been my wallpaper ever since!
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Reading this thread and also looking on ebay there seems to be a lot coming out of Hong Kong at the moment such as Elina seats, cranksets, Kuwahara stuff, dia compe etc. Is this all genuine NOS or is it all repro? Has anyone on here bought anything recently from over there - just wondering what the quality was like and did it turn up!
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Reading this thread and also looking on ebay there seems to be a lot coming out of Hong Kong at the moment such as Elina seats, cranksets, Kuwahara stuff, dia compe etc. Is this all genuine NOS or is it all repro? Has anyone on here bought anything recently from over there - just wondering what the quality was like and did it turn up!
I got a Blue Shotgun II seat, it turned up ok, looks good, but the colour is a bit darker than others Iv seen.
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I think its all genuine having bought some of it myself.
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It just makes you wonder where it has suddenly all 'appeared' from. Knowing the ability of our far Eastern friends to copy and reproduce things especially as it was all made over there originally makes me wonder :-\
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I'm with Kelly, I have bought quite a few pieces from HK, Singapore and Thailand (BMX bits - nothing else) and all have arrived very quickly, well packaged and exactly as described!!
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The Tange grips from Greece are fakes :knuppel2:
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A lot of what you think is no longer made. is still produced for other countrys in the far east, IE saddles are still made identical to burner ones , put on kids bikes now
its just importing them to the UK thats the tricky bit
Rich
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i do reckon that in 20 years time yes stuff that is new skool now will be worth something in 20 years as stuff will disappear and stuff gets destroyed .that and kids of today will in 20 years time think wow i wish i had that back again and somepeople will collect older bmx`s for there looks ,i know as have stuff that i would never have rode as a kid
problem is if you want to start collecting it you better have a big garage and spare income as most of this stuff will drop in value and then go up like what has happened with old bmx stuff now . also life move`s on and say 4 to 5 years time people come and go so stuff will go up and down in price and there will be times in your life where you think why do i own this stuff as it`s worth nothing now ,it happened with vw vans and beetle`s . 1990 split camper`s were worth bugger all and vw beetle started to go up in value { i know as pay way to much for my first one} and then forward to day and camper`s will cost a fortune and beetle`s have dropped in price . i know as again i sold my split when they weren`t a in thing.
best better just enjoy what you got from one bmx to how ever many you have .
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I recently had a NOS sugino maxy crank set in the box from out there
looked the biz and good price too
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The Tange grips from Greece are fakes
How do you know this Kelly?
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It just makes you wonder where it has suddenly all 'appeared' from. Knowing the ability of our far Eastern friends to copy and reproduce things especially as it was all made over there originally makes me wonder :-\
A year or so ago, before I got back into BMX, I would have never thought I would have seen a Nos Haro or TA, but if you know where to look, they are out there ;D
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Retro, because I bought a white pair of grips, then sold them on to Nana who declared them fakes. LOL
a) no packaging
b) absolutely flawlessly white and smelled wonderfully new. ( too new)
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maybe they were new?
Not fake, but new?
Make sense?
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Dont patronize me you little git, of course it makes sense- BUT Nana said they are fake, ask him :knuppel2:
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I was not patronizing you, i was asking?
I have never seen the grips first hand, I was a bit confused why a dude in greece has so many.
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BUT Nana said they are fake
must be true then
Dave
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must be true....bloke down the pub said so.... ;D
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BUT Nana said they are fake
must be true then
Dave
Yep must be.............. ;)
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i do reckon that in 20 years time yes stuff that is new skool now will be worth something in 20 years as stuff will disappear and stuff gets destroyed .that and kids of today will in 20 years time think wow i wish i had that back again and somepeople will collect older bmx`s for there looks ,i know as have stuff that i would never have rode as a kid
i'm not sure the new/mid school stuff will be as valuable :-\
obviously it will have sentimental value for those who grew up on it BUT in pretty much every aspect of collecting/memorabilia etc its the ORIGINAL stuff that will always be worth the big money!
thats pretty much how it seems to go with most things i've looked at the price of!
though thinking about it some of the early/mid 90's stuff might become valuable as those were the dark years of BMX when nobody was really into it so there wasn't so much stuff made, that might be the exception to the rule?
early Condor's & mongoose DMC's going for silly money! you never know ???
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another example of items going for mad money
Ebay auction link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7196857587&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)
$61 usd for a late 70's steel, stamped mongoose seat clamp
ok not super silly but i would never of thought that could have reach that price
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Just search Hutch in the USA, thats crazy
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another example of items going for mad money
Ebay auction link (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7196857587&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)
$61 usd for a late 70's steel, stamped mongoose seat clamp
ok not super silly but i would never of thought that could have reach that price
i need one of them to finish by build but not paying that kind of money
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ginnys has these
ok not mongoose stamped but are only $2
quick polish and would look as sweet !
(http://home.comcast.net/~rinisbikeshop/USC1.jpg)
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ginnys has these
ok not mongoose stamped but are only $2
quick polish and would look as sweet !
(http://home.comcast.net/~rinisbikeshop/USC1.jpg)
i`ve got a non stamped one that i might use thanks kdw