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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: DIRTBIKER250F on November 14, 2007, 10:01 PM
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I think old skool bmx's look so fooking cool when compared to MS & NS. Cant think of one MS or NS that can hold a light to the classics.
Discus :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/images.jpg)
Paul :Great_Britain:
:LolLolLolLol: :10_2_12:
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I agree, but looks aren't everyhting are they?
what if you want to stop? new school brakes rule compared to super pricey mx1000's.
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I think old skool bmx's look so fooking cool when compared to MS & NS. Cant think of one MS or NS that can hold a light to the classics.
Discus :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/images.jpg)
Paul :Great_Britain:
:LolLolLolLol: :10_2_12:
What? clearly you arent a rider
Oldschool are OK for hanging on a wall but how could you compare any of em?
Oldschool stuff generally has sh*t geometry and snapped
Midschool stuff was way heavy and snapped
Therefore Newschool wins!
Try it out........take any (and I mean ANY) oldschool bike to a skatepark or BMX track and thrash it around then do the same on a newschool bike
Then youll know!
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I agree, but looks aren't everyhting are they?
what if you want to stop? new school brakes rule compared to super pricey mx1000's.
:LolLolLolLol:
you have a point and what would you rather buy £100 Crupi beartraps or £550 Hutch beartraps
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i think most old school bikes look a bit "gay" looking back,
like pretty kids toys, and thats exactly what they were really,
mid school bikes were way better, way tougher, and again they were,
my favs are the new school :daumenhoch:
sleek , tough, tech, low slung and paired right down,
way more elegant than any of the old kids toys, and yet again, way WAY better,
designed by bmxers rather than some flid, some gonk in a suit or some kids dad :daumenhoch:
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I think old skool bmx's look so fooking cool when compared to MS & NS. Cant think of one MS or NS that can hold a light to the classics.
Discus :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/images.jpg)
Paul :Great_Britain:
:LolLolLolLol: :10_2_12:
What? clearly you arent a rider
Oldschool are OK for hanging on a wall but how could you compare any of em?
Oldschool stuff generally has sh*t geometry and snapped
Midschool stuff was way heavy and snapped
Therefore Newschool wins!
Try it out........take any (and I mean ANY) oldschool bike to a skatepark or BMX track and thrash it around then do the same on a newschool bike
Then youll know!
Ill know what ??? i mean as eye candy only :daumenhoch: there is just somting about the look :shocked:
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I agree, but looks aren't everyhting are they?
what if you want to stop? new school brakes rule compared to super pricey mx1000's.
:LolLolLolLol:
you have a point and what would you rather buy £100 Crupi beartraps or £550 Hutch beartraps
neither, both are shit pedals :daumenhoch:
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I agree, but looks aren't everyhting are they?
what if you want to stop? new school brakes rule compared to super pricey mx1000's.
:LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol:
you have a point and what would you rather buy £100 Crupi beartraps or £550 Hutch beartraps
neither, both are shit pedals :daumenhoch:
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I think many OS bikes look rad but that is more because the images of them are engraved on my eyes from looking at so many magazine pics as a kid. dreaming of getting a top end BMX.
Im really into Mid, but most mid bikes look crap crap crap. There was loads of junk made and we didnt help the look of things with pegs everywhere, brake contraptions and strange bar shapes and flag pole seats. Some Mid freestyle bikes were awful, but a nice clean Mid race bike looks great, and aint all that far off a NS bike really.
I love the look of NS bikes. very simple looking with no brakes and no pegs. Very low frame and low seat. Having said that, I could never ride a bike like that. I cant do bugger all without brakes or pegs, and I like a high seat. I do think they LOOK great tho.
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I agree, but looks aren't everyhting are they?
what if you want to stop? new school brakes rule compared to super pricey mx1000's.
:LolLolLolLol:
you have a point and what would you rather buy £100 Crupi beartraps or £550 Hutch beartraps
neither, both are shit pedals :daumenhoch:
Quality :2funny: :daumenhoch:
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Bit of OS eye candy to get the ball rollin :coolsmiley:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/kuwi2001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/gtbike001.jpg)
Paul :Great_Britain:
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mid school for me!
especially when growing up looking at lazarou's creations. show bikes all the way, however on the other side of of that coin, still in mid school, seeing a slightly beaten up street bike (sort of how mine is at the moment) gives a special feeling, because what goes with looking at a bike is also what that bike has been through and done. i suppose a sense of use adds to the attraction of a particular bike! hard to explain. i might be on my own with this! for instance, i remember going to the bike show in 97 i think and joe rich had his beaten up barcode prototype, bear metal and rusting. to me it looked so fookin cool, but part of that attraction was what i'd seen the guy do on it, like thinkin that bikes just fufanu'd that hand rail, or its just icepicked that quarter, gives the bike a sense of history and ultimately adds to its attraction!
unfortunately i don't get this with any other era because the bikes were/are too simple
or am i just a sensative fellow!
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TBH that is a fantastic way of describing what you feel for mid skool :daumenhoch: but still stickin with the OS statement
Paul :Great_Britain:
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They all have the plusses and minuses.
Oldschool do have some weird angles and short top tubes, but are stunningly beautiful and lets face it they started the whole sport.
1978 DeCoster
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/DeCoster/newfork1.jpg)
Mid-School I missed personally but I really do appreciate them now, in fact I love some of the midschool bikes on here, but they are not all heavy and have snapped ;)
1991 Bully Piston Race
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/Bully%20Piston/Bully01.jpg)
Newschool, I really do love because you can do what you want to the bikes and they will take it and ask for more. Newschool used to be really boring to look at (black, black and black), these days people have realised colours and nice looking bikes are cooler than black and beat up looking.
2007 SE Quadangle Retro
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/SE%20Quadangle%202007/Quad07-11.jpg)
Overall, any BMX is ace to me as I love them all and love this sport.
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Old school all the way for me :daumenhoch:
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the reason old school looks good is because of the individuality of the frames. you look at any 80's pics and 9 times out of 10 you would be able to tell straight away what frame they were riding. there were lots of different bright colour combos. having mag wheels gave a distinctive bmx look, which normal road bikes didn't have.
now days, if you stripped a bike of its decals, at a quick glance how often would you be able to tell what it was? for a lot of people even more than a glance, you still wouldn't be able to tell.
new school bikes are obviously gonna ride better. technology has moved on. different things have been tried and tested. you may think bikes now are sorted. but i bet in 10 years time, people will look back at the frames today and think "how the hell did i manage to ride on that". when skyway or haro brought out their frames, all the reviews stated that this was the perfect frame.
don't forget, they weren't exactly made out of plastercine. how many people (who can actually air properly) would feel comfortable airing 6ft out on a street beat? i'm not just talking about us overweight oldies, but kids too. not many, yet Carlo would get 14/15ft on his. if they were that bad, they would have been breaking all the time. okay, tricks are bigger now, but a 6ft air is still a 6ft air.
all that said, i will have to agree, old school for show and new school for riding.
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Couldnt of said it better Trev
Paul :Great_Britain:
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I'n not sure if you'd class this as mid or new (I'd say mid), but I think it's the coolest looking machine I've built
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Supercross/Final1.jpg)
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Old school deffo for looks , got more individual character.(not very strong though) Mid school still got some looks and better strength. New school not bad looking bikes ,but all look the same ,but strong as fook and better braking , etc. I think they call this evolution. (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ee16/lockjaw1/wallripper.jpg)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ee16/lockjaw1/bmx4.jpg)
Me mind isnt made up yet now that ive got it whether its stunning or ugly , looks pretty strong though (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ee16/lockjaw1/vdc.jpg)
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new school bikes are obviously gonna ride better. technology has moved on. different things have been tried and tested. you may think bikes now are sorted. but i bet in 10 years time, people will look back at the frames today and think "how the hell did i manage to ride on that". when skyway or haro brought out their frames, all the reviews stated that this was the perfect frame.
don't forget, they weren't exactly made out of plastercine. how many people (who can actually air properly) would feel comfortable airing 6ft out on a street beat? i'm not just talking about us overweight oldies, but kids too. not many, yet Carlo would get 14/15ft on his. if they were that bad, they would have been breaking all the time. okay, tricks are bigger now, but a 6ft air is still a 6ft air.
The only OS bike I owned that I didnt break was an 85 GT performer. Ive snapped a midschool PK Ripper in Half. The headtube off a Skyway TA, Bent a Gen2 Master like a banana, Snapped the forks off a '91 Master, Broke a pair of Peregrine Q Bars in two........should I go on?
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I prefere OS , ive treid the new school bikes, and although mine was abit heavy they all look the same these days, and too be honest im old, i would rather look a nob racing on a old bike and use escuses like my bikes old so i have to be easy on it, than a nob on a new one and cant do nothing on it ;) :LolLolLolLol: old for me , they look better, with little features , i love the little plate welded on to the seat tube of my robbo, nice and neat, and we were all bought up with these bikes, so why change :daumenhoch:
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new school bikes are obviously gonna ride better. technology has moved on. different things have been tried and tested. you may think bikes now are sorted. but i bet in 10 years time, people will look back at the frames today and think "how the hell did i manage to ride on that". when skyway or haro brought out their frames, all the reviews stated that this was the perfect frame.
don't forget, they weren't exactly made out of plastercine. how many people (who can actually air properly) would feel comfortable airing 6ft out on a street beat? i'm not just talking about us overweight oldies, but kids too. not many, yet Carlo would get 14/15ft on his. if they were that bad, they would have been breaking all the time. okay, tricks are bigger now, but a 6ft air is still a 6ft air.
The only OS bike I owned that I didnt break was an 85 GT performer. Ive snapped a midschool PK Ripper in Half. The headtube off a Skyway TA, Bent a Gen2 Master like a banana, Snapped the forks off a '91 Master, Broke a pair of Peregrine Q Bars in two........should I go on?
You are going on, about 'snapping ' frames. Most frames from that era were constructed for lightness and a 'basic' level of performance. Any fooker can snap a piece of metal, as most things can be broken. It nauseates me when 'old-soldier' riders from that era boast about how many frames they have broken. Cool hey??? I had to buy all of my gear bitd, so respected my kit. ::)
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i think OS bikes are in the same league as classic cars.
if you have ever owned a classic car you will know what i mean.
they are fantastic to look at and drive occasionally.
they evoke great times and you attach a personal bond with
them, but you wouldn't want to stick all the kids
in it and spend 2 weeks driving around the country in it.
i think bikes are the same. OS bikes for show, riding for fun and drooling over
NS bikes should be used and abused like a mondeo :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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new school bikes are obviously gonna ride better. technology has moved on. different things have been tried and tested. you may think bikes now are sorted. but i bet in 10 years time, people will look back at the frames today and think "how the hell did i manage to ride on that". when skyway or haro brought out their frames, all the reviews stated that this was the perfect frame.
don't forget, they weren't exactly made out of plastercine. how many people (who can actually air properly) would feel comfortable airing 6ft out on a street beat? i'm not just talking about us overweight oldies, but kids too. not many, yet Carlo would get 14/15ft on his. if they were that bad, they would have been breaking all the time. okay, tricks are bigger now, but a 6ft air is still a 6ft air.
The only OS bike I owned that I didnt break was an 85 GT performer. Ive snapped a midschool PK Ripper in Half. The headtube off a Skyway TA, Bent a Gen2 Master like a banana, Snapped the forks off a '91 Master, Broke a pair of Peregrine Q Bars in two........should I go on?
You are going on, about 'snapping ' frames. Most frames from that era were constructed for lightness and a 'basic' level of performance. Any fooker can snap a piece of metal, as most things can be broken. It nauseates me when 'old-soldier' riders from that era boast about how many frames they have broken. Cool hey??? I had to buy all of my gear bitd, so respected my kit. ::)
Yeah I must be well cool then!
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didn't "some kid's dad" make the first decent bmx forks?
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for me i used to think that OS was where it's at and that all new school bikes were the same and dull..........i absalutley love the OS bikes.....all of them! the colours, the styles and the fact that as a kid i could never dream of owning any of them! but i do think it comes down to knowledge (and i don't mean you don't know anything about them) but i used to take my street beat to RAD meets and wonder why EVERYONE used to say to me "how the hell you can ride that thing is beyond me" i was adament that i would ride OS and never go NS........but after having a go on MeddlE's NS at Epic last year i was hooked! after that i bought myself a DK cleveland and rode it as much as my personal life would allow me too, i now have a lovely Proper Proclaimer in RAW finish waiting for me to unwrap her on christmas morning! and now i've really got into the NS stuff........and when you do you start to look at it with the same emotions as the OS stuff........i can look at a new school frame and really appreciate the lines and the colours, the build quality and it's simplicity, the coloured parts that have come back to allow bikes to have that individuality and the knowledge that when you pay £30 for a part....it's going to last! or is built to be abused! i have come full circle and now i don't even want any OS stuff anymore.....for me NS is where it's at and i love it with as much passion as i did OS BITD!!
now all i have to do is ride that dam thing more!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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i consider my self as oldschool, was riding till 1985 then took a long break, the oldschool bikes are sweet and they were all i was interested in when i got back into this but the wealth of midschool frames with the quirky designs far upstage oldschool in my book, and oldschool for the masses from what i see in general is either SE, VDC, JMC, SKYWAY, HARO or GT, anything else just seems to get passed over as inferior or not fashionable and this i find is so wrong and frustrating, some amasing stuff gets passed over or unappreciated in favour of what appear to be the site must haves. Midschool is where its at for me now tho, the bikes are coolio and just as varied if not more so than oldshool, good solid ridable classics :daumenhoch: gossa has posted an elf up in the forsale section for peanuts, its time people started thinking outside the box, i bet youl have to pay double that next year at least. i have 2 otherwise it would be mine :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/n258/ODFLYER/100_0369.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/n258/ODFLYER/100_0596.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/n258/ODFLYER/100_0590.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/n258/ODFLYER/haro/15042006129.jpg)
newschool, is gonna be this generations oldschool, but it just doesnt rock my boat and i have no interest in it in the slightest, but each to their own
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new school bikes are obviously gonna ride better. technology has moved on. different things have been tried and tested. you may think bikes now are sorted. but i bet in 10 years time, people will look back at the frames today and think "how the hell did i manage to ride on that". when skyway or haro brought out their frames, all the reviews stated that this was the perfect frame.
don't forget, they weren't exactly made out of plastercine. how many people (who can actually air properly) would feel comfortable airing 6ft out on a street beat? i'm not just talking about us overweight oldies, but kids too. not many, yet Carlo would get 14/15ft on his. if they were that bad, they would have been breaking all the time. okay, tricks are bigger now, but a 6ft air is still a 6ft air.
The only OS bike I owned that I didnt break was an 85 GT performer. Ive snapped a midschool PK Ripper in Half. The headtube off a Skyway TA, Bent a Gen2 Master like a banana, Snapped the forks off a '91 Master, Broke a pair of Peregrine Q Bars in two........should I go on?
Obviously you weren't such a smooth rider back in the day eh Si!!!! :LolLolLolLol:
John
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Dudes... I've been reading through this thread and the more I read the madder I get :tickedoff:
Each era has a very different perspective.... it's no good slagging off old school bikes - and for many reasons!!
1. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Old School bikes!
2. BMX was essentially a racing sport in the early days, compared to now the tracks were pretty tame... so therefore bikes were designed to handle what they were used for and nothing more.... so super strength wasn't top of the list in Frame design!
3. Yes some of you may have broken or snapped many an old school bike... but back then most BMX bikes were built for racing until the crossover point of the Skyway TA / Haro Freestyler era. When I rode it wasn't just about how much air or RAD you got... it was about how smooth you rode too - so if you were smooth you weren't snappin stuff anyways!
Everyone is entitled to an opinion... we all have different memories from different eras!
Newschool riders may think us Oldschoolers look at our bikes through "rose tinted specticles" .... I disagree - you had to be there bitd to appreciate how good some of the oldschool bikes were and in my opinion still are!
So if opinions count... here's mine - oldschool bikes are smooth, slick and trick, like driving a finely tuned Ferrari maybe!
Newschool rides are hard, brutal and heavy - like driving a fookin Sherman tank!!! :LolLolLolLol:
John
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Well, as the owner of far too many bikes no older than 1984, you can guess where my bread is buttered....
But man, these new school bikes embarras us oldies for accuracy in the air. I look so out of shape flying sideways out the top of a bowl, thanking the laws of gravity for getting me back down again, yet these kids leave me speachless with the bar-spins and bike flips at the same time as I'm just looking for terra-firma...... :D
Funny thing is, every time me and my brother roll out our Haro Freestylers, every kid in the park wants to know about them and most of them want to ride the bikes. Even funnier, ANY bloke we ride past in thier mid thirties with kids on pushbikes wants a go on them - just take your old school ride to Centreparcs for the weekend and you'll see what I mean. If we get just one person back into the sport just by restoring these beautifull icons, then the hassle of finding the bits, cleaning them and rebuilding them is worth it.
I've got a 1979 Motomag, 1982 Ammaco, 1983 Mongoose Cali, 1983 Mongoose Minigoose and a 1984 Haro Freestyler (Torker), and I ride them all when I've got the chance (except the Mini, it's still in bits being restored! :2funny:)
I wonder if our kids will feel the same in 25 years? Only time will tell......... :LolLolLolLol:
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Ah I'm building the perfect bikes for this thread!
I'm building a mid school usa built floval and ripper but with the LOOK and feel of OS bikes but also with some Newschool components for performance sake. My goal was to have the heritage of OS but ridable (geometry wise) today without the lesser quality of some of the Newschool bikes (give me a U.S. built ripper over the latest stuf anyday!)
I'll get a piccy up.
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Obviously you weren't such a smooth rider back in the day eh Si!!!! :LolLolLolLol:
John
Yeah Rough as F**k me! but I do look like this....
(http://xs221.xs.to/xs221/07464/toughguy.jpg)
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i know my first reply was probably a little inflammatory but after thinking about all this "V" stuff in the shower this morning i've come to the conclusion its "all a load of bollocks"
were all talking about the same thing,
the double diamond bicycle frame.
my first mongoose motomag 20something years ago had the basic same frame design as my laf,
two triangles for the strength and somewhere to put the wheels, this isnt even a "bmx" design, its way older than that!
no matter how many extra bits of tube you stick on or what colour you paint it, its the same principle.
AND whether or not its old/new/mid is also pretty irrelevant as its the use of the design that gives us a common interest!
for instance,
double diamond frame,36 spoke wheels, h-box bar, "20 wheels........sound familiar?
its a bmx isnt it?
everything else is just details.
i love old school bikes in the same way i love mid school bikes and new school bikes, i dont honestly think i prefer one over the other :daumenhoch:
"new school bikes all look the same"
anyone who seriously thinks that needs to have a re-think, i for-one am sick of hearing it :daumenhoch:
its alot of bollocks really isnt it?
if you look through any bmx magazine or website you will find bikes "new school" bikes of all different shapes,sizes and colours!
if you cant tell the difference between them thats your ignorance :daumenhoch:
maybe its the fact that most riders these days take all the stickers off? that its just riders these days dont want to feel like theyre advertizing company slogans on something thats personal to them?
thats really what its comes down to isnt it?
colours and stickers?
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absofookinlutely,
thing is with new school, is that it hasn't got the sentiment or nostalgia value yet, like i said earlier its gonna be this generations oldschool and the arguement will start again, as for them all looking the same, yes they are different but they all look the same to me, shite :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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I think some of the old school restorations look amazing. They're our heritage and I could look at them all day.
But gimme a new school bike to ride any day of the week. They might not look as nice, but bikes are for riding, not looking at, and new school bikes just feel so much better and more stable to ride.
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I think our generation feels differently about BMX and old school in general as we had BMX here when it was brand new and exciting and everyone was caught up in it.
For years BMX and Knight Rider were pretty much all I needed to get by. I love old school bikes, from those I've owned and ridden BITD to those that I can now afford and will buy just so that I can say I have one.
Having said that New School bikes are all I'm interested in when it comes to really riding.
Firstly, I know that they're gonna stand up to the abuse.
Secondly, they have better geometry and feel better to ride.
Thirdly, if I do break a bit off I can just go and replace it from my local shop and it won't cost me the earth.
So OS and NS both rock but I baby my OS and I punish my NS.
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I guess it's like comparing an old Italian race car against a modern ferrari ?
The old one's look better, but for performace you chose the new school,
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I guess it's like comparing an old Italian race car against a modern ferrari ?
The old one's look better, but for performace you chose the new school,
:daumenhoch: i think that about sums it all up ;)
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I've given this a lot of thought and despite the fact that I love the old school stuff I can appreciate that new school bikes are stronger and better designed. What I find absolutely unforgiveable about new school is the diabolically boring colour schemes, its like a lot of them have no soul put into them...
Having said that the new Supercross evo s-7 has nice colourways and I could see myself doing something with one of these (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v311/Broggie/s7-blue.jpg)
So its not all gloomy...just pricey ;D
Ray.
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I've given this a lot of thought and despite the fact that I love the old school stuff I can appreciate that new school bikes are stronger and better designed. What I find absolutely unforgiveable about new school is the diabolically boring colour schemes, its like a lot of them have no soul put into them...
ffs dude did you even bother to read the rest of this thread or did you just type out the same old tired shit?
you've given this alot of thought eh?
where?
right i'll try and make it simple to understand,
a red bike then is a red bike now
a yellow bike then is a yellow bike now
a black bike then is a black bike now
and so on,and so on.......
comprende?
so whats changed? you name me an old school colour bike and i'll show you a new school one thats basically the same colour :daumenhoch:
N\S bikes, frames and parts are available in more colours than the O/S bikes ever were, if you tried reading a current bmx magazine or looking at a few other websites you'd see that with your eyes,
purple ano, green, brown even pink! want a neon green frame? fbm make one! want a chrome frame? easy! eastern make one!
have you even looked at the fly site? (thats a bmx company btw) colours?
i think tbh, youre getting confused with the "mid school,when it was popular for alot of bikes to be black or dark,tough tones,
and the only thing thats "unforgiveable" about the N/S is the build quality on that "80's ford capri colourway" supercross frame you posted :daumenhoch:
at the risk of sounding redundant "i like bmx's"
give me one and i'll like it and ride it, regardless of its colour :LolLolLolLol:
imo anyone that says they prfer one "school" over another is a "right fooking bellend"
because its ALL bmx isnt it?
and as far as N/S frames having "no soul put into them"
are you mad? todays frames and companies are run by riders that stuck with the sport when it wasnt popular, when haro/gt/etc had sold there arses for a few quid!
take s&m bikes for instance, run by one of the biggest characters in bmx, that loves bmx and has done for years, a dude that genuinely cares and is interested in the frames he puts out there!
andf lets face it, s&m are right at the very top :daumenhoch:
no soul?
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Hehehe.......
Gotta agree with The Sunday i'm afraid.
I think people might be getting a bit confused here in this thread. And its not helped by the fact that so many of us have had massive breaks in our riding. I was bloody lucky to return to riding in 94. I only missed 10 years.
If you can be bothered to look (and I'm sure you can't) you'd see that I never, ever comment on owt from 84-93. I wasn't there, I can't have an opinion.
The OS thing is simply nostalgia, nothing more, nothing less. nowt wrong with that. To suggest one is better than another doesn't add up in my book.
I got into a little bit of grief on the old forum when I started a thread suggesting that what we have here on this site are two distinct different breeds. We have riders and collectors. The age of these people means fook all. I'm 41 and I'm a rider. Through and through. Never been a collector and never will. I'm not old school - i'm just old.
I notice that the collectors amongst us analyse things a lot more, and do tend to have more opinion about them generally. I'm cool with that. The riders amongst us tend to move with the times and technonlogy, embrace as it comes and goes, then move on. I'm cool with that too.
When these two breeds bump heads in a thread like this, thats when we get all the interesting posts!!
As long as we're all still enjoying it, job's a good un ;)
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my niquitin patch was wearing off :daumenhoch:
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started riding in 82/83 no major gaps and pleanty oof bikes and each one was special in its own right and each newer design/model enabled riders to progress.
old skool bikes look amazing on here and it maybe due to the nostalgic quality of remembering warm summers and fast learning curves when i first started. (i cant afford one right now though) loved my TA!
mid skool bikes had a different solid feel and gave birth to street and full on vert capabilities, as far as style goes i remember them being a little more hardcore and purpose built for which ever style you preferred.
new skools have again have pushed the design element forward to the next step with shorter rear triangles and heat treating to reduce frame weights. as for styling the non existant seat post thing isnt for me i like to have the saddle available at all times and some of the frames out there with massive cuts and holes in dont fill me with confidance. There is a new skool frame with a style to suit you out there and you can build a top ride for 2/3 of the price for a museum piece.
I'm not sitting on the fence but i am happy with my current bikes performance (Sunday) as it is solid and light enough for an old radster. I would love to own my old haro sport diet from 94 as it was so stable in airs/step thrus or nose picking or my Dyno slammer which was indestructable. Old skool it would have to be a TA to wheelie round the streets and generally look cool just t*ssing about on.
having said all this i miss the chrome of older rides and on looks alone any bike decked with shiney bits and tuffs make me yearn for yesteryear and i would even do all that homework over again just to relive that period of my life (even puberty) :-)
that said i dont miss one piece cranks and rattly headsets...............ahhhhh internals and profiles there is a god.....
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BMX evolves... just sit back and enjoy it... even the shit stuff, cause that's what makes the good designs even better :daumenhoch:
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my niquitin patch was wearing off :daumenhoch:
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:rant: :rant: :rant:
Top Rant Joe, fooking proud of you Son. :LolLolLolLol:
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Ride ya bikes kids, if they break, buy another one with the £500 you were thinking of spending on some pedals that will give you a lazy lob for 2-3 seconds (maybe) but then will become just another "investment" to hang up/store away/put on finger tight to a build that you thought would exite you, that actually now you have built it..................
As someone said earlier, Bikes is fer ridin.
I love em all, every single one of em. Dont slag em off, they have feelings you know :daumenhoch:
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I've given this a lot of thought and despite the fact that I love the old school stuff I can appreciate that new school bikes are stronger and better designed. What I find absolutely unforgiveable about new school is the diabolically boring colour schemes, its like a lot of them have no soul put into them...
ffs dude did you even bother to read the rest of this thread or did you just type out the same old tired shit?
you've given this alot of thought eh?
where?
right i'll try and make it simple to understand,
a red bike then is a red bike now
a yellow bike then is a yellow bike now
a black bike then is a black bike now
and so on,and so on.......
comprende?
so whats changed? you name me an old school colour bike and i'll show you a new school one thats basically the same colour :daumenhoch:
N\S bikes, frames and parts are available in more colours than the O/S bikes ever were, if you tried reading a current bmx magazine or looking at a few other websites you'd see that with your eyes,
purple ano, green, brown even pink! want a neon green frame? fbm make one! want a chrome frame? easy! eastern make one!
have you even looked at the fly site? (thats a bmx company btw) colours?
i think tbh, youre getting confused with the "mid school,when it was popular for alot of bikes to be black or dark,tough tones,
and the only thing thats "unforgiveable" about the N/S is the build quality on that "80's ford capri colourway" supercross frame you posted :daumenhoch:
at the risk of sounding redundant "i like bmx's"
give me one and i'll like it and ride it, regardless of its colour :LolLolLolLol:
imo anyone that says they prfer one "school" over another is a "right fooking bellend"
because its ALL bmx isnt it?
and as far as N/S frames having "no soul put into them"
are you mad? todays frames and companies are run by riders that stuck with the sport when it wasnt popular, when haro/gt/etc had sold there arses for a few quid!
take s&m bikes for instance, run by one of the biggest characters in bmx, that loves bmx and has done for years, a dude that genuinely cares and is interested in the frames he puts out there!
andf lets face it, s&m are right at the very top :daumenhoch:
no soul?
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Yeah I did read the rest of this thread, but remember the thread is asking for opinions, that's my opinion, I didnt say I didnt like new school, I said I just find it bland, and I do... No amount of arguement will change that. We'll agree to disagree on what we like.
Sure I havent looked up every new school bike to see what colour it is, but then when I ride or walk out on the street all I seem to see is dull browns, blacks and baby shit green. They may well ride better but I want more from my bike than two wheels and a frame.
I like the look of the S-7, you dont, as for the 'build quality' well I wouldnt know as I dont own one, do you, or are you privvy to some salacious information to which your average consumer is unaware...I dunno and to be honest I dont really care.
Just so you know my bikes are...
1978 Raleigh Chopper Black Prismatic Mk2
1984 Gen2 Haro Master
1983 Skyway TA
2 x 2006 Haro Retro sports
2007 SE Racing Retro Ripper
and I wouldnt swap them for the world....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v311/Broggie/madbmxbloke1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v311/Broggie/madbmx9.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v311/Broggie/Picture099.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v311/Broggie/Picture098.jpg)
Guess by your standards my bikes must be a bit shit then :2funny:
Ray.
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old/mid/new & retro I love and own them all:-
my os racer,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/aaa026.jpg)
Mid school rider & show pony,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/11112007065.jpg)
new school race bike
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/10112007063.jpg)
and as for colours heres an old build I did earlier this year
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/aaa036.jpg)
:) DINGO :)
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oh and new school park/street bike:-
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/back005.jpg)
:) DINGO :)
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This thread is nothing without pictures eh ;) :daumenhoch:
Ray.
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This thread is nothing without pictures eh ;) :daumenhoch:
Ray.
a picture paints a thousand words Raymond :angel:
plus any excuse to bombard the board with piccies of my babies :LolLolLolLol:
:) DINGO :)
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is that you in the photo broggie?
in the gay haro "uniform"?
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
i havent laughed like that in ages!
all is forgiven my friend :daumenhoch:
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is that you in the photo broggie?
in the gay haro "uniform"?
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
i havent laughed like that in ages!
all is forgiven my friend :daumenhoch:
Yeah it is, and I know it does look daft, but I dunno the things you dont get when you're a kid...its a sad time for me ;)
Ray.
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not sad at all dude,
proud of you for posting it :daumenhoch: