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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: munners on November 16, 2007, 01:16 PM
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As it says. I know that it is almost impossible to say because old skool bikes are like football.......its all about opinion, but i just wanna know the general feeling out there.
Nick ;)
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it seems to change
a few years ago it was TAs
now rippers
and changas
its like fashion
Rich
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There are some that will on average hold their price very well.
Some that will go through the roof, but are a very high stake but could easily drop just the same.
and some which will always be lower in general.
I'll give an example of each in my opinion:
Skyway Ta
VDC Changa
Mongoose motomag
My favourite for any collection though has to be a goose - every collection should have a goose or a rattlesnake
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One of the things i noticed about the DC/SE party was that there wasn't a single gusseted Mongoose. Which is a shame as it's such an icon.
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I KNEW that VDC's would be brought up by nearly everyone and so far they have!
I just dont get them. I had nearly every BMX mag when i was younger and i just dont remember them in there :uglystupid2: They dont do it for me. Obviously i remember the bars but the frames..no.
I bet if i showed my collection to xbmxers they would be more interested in my burner than a VDC if i had one. I think they are SO overated. IMO. ;) I love opinions!
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bitd VDC was a bit like trying to race a skoda, having a TA being all aero etc, my mate got a VDC and i never stopped ribbing him about how i'd beat him if there was a head wind. Didn't keep it for long, before he got himself a Patterson. But too right, didn't see too many on the national circuits either. But than the rarer the more people rave.
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I quite like the dp firebird freestyler. I am suprised that these arnt fetching more than they do .There was nt many made was there?
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Looptail Rippers....
Redline Carrera
but I'm guessing it's down to opinion and personal preference !
VDC's are so expensive, I dunno why as they were not the best made frames BITD !
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I would say hands down a ripper. I know they were crap to use but they were 'the bike'. :4_17_5:
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I quite like the dp firebird freestyler. I am suprised that these arnt fetching more than they do .There was nt many made was there?
They're slowly creeping up. A year ago you could get a DP Firebird frame and forks for about £75. Now they're selling for £200+ :daumenhoch:
For me my inspirational old school bike is the T/A. Always wanted one bitd and loved the way they looked.
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Don't worry Nick, you've got them all already..... ;)
Gen1, PK loopy, TA,....
Every collector should have a nice cruiser... we're not kids anymore...
I like collectors who own not only high end bikes, a nice mid range super clean survivor always catches my eye, Burner or not .. :LolLolLolLol:
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Looptail PK is the essential for me.
At one point I had about 6 NOS looptail PKs, a couple of TAs, NOS Hutch Hollywood, NOS looptail Floval, etc. But just got the 1 looptail PK now and 1 OS race bike (S&M Challenger) and I'm happy with that.
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Team Aero Pro Burner. Well built bike with very good components that was in it's day quite cheap.
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i have owned and sold most of the above at some point, i had a long think about all this bmx malarky recently and have decided to sell up apart from a mongoose pro class i have just aquired as that was my dream bike back in the day therefore it means more to me than the changa etc i have owned.
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It has to be classic late 70's early 80's rides. US wise I would say a Haro Freestyler (don't get me going on the Gen1/Gen2 thing - I don't buy it), a gusseted Supergoose, maybe a Redline MXII or round gusset Torker 280 or maybe somthing earlier and lesser known. UK made would have to be early MRD, Firebird or Rickman.
Does anyone have an early Rickman race bike at all? Don't recall seeing one in the museum :-\.
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I think it has to be a goose really..its was the kid down the street bmx around 1975-80... :LolLolLolLol: it was were i was anyhow..altho it was a bit of a mix.
I had a supergoose 2..but my oldskool friends had a mix really..
Pirahna, team murry, motomag..burner..the odd torker..the odd redline..scorpion..kuwa.... ;D the list could go on :)
I would say one thing tho..the choice was wicked@ that time and it was hard to put a finger on what was best as it was parts aswell as frame sets or complete cycles that made a cool bmx.
i think its all down to where you lived at the time & what was available at ya local shop.
There was only 1 or 2 rippers around..everybody new what they were but few had..
Goose all the way imo..
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2 n 1/2 yrs ago i started building os bikes, Mongoose Cali, Ripper, Skyway,Gt,kuwahara,cw, and to be honest the cooks bros bike posted on here and radmans GHP are what i would love in my collection with Steve Ps Team burner a close 3rd. 2 1/2 yrs ago i wouldnt have wanted them and still wouldnt want a VDC ???.
Paul :Great_Britain:
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i'd go with these
loop pk,
gen 1,
t/a
and a carrera or proline with 401's.
and to make any of them really special a pair of oldsckool graffs :smitten:
i like vdc's just not on my "to buy" list either :-\
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Its got to be the icon bikes, db harry L turbo, Kuwi E.T., Mongoose Eric Rupe, all are quiet rare and very sought after ;)
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i think the gen1 haro is becoming an icon of bmx, collectors in europe and america who are into freestyle see it as 'the one'. T/A's are still an icon of 80's bmx. A vdc is just a dear pony and not that special. Loopy rippers ar allways a winner. gusset geese are a 70's icon. jmc's have to be the creme de la creme of quality. Lots of collectors stick to one make, but i think the must haves are a pair of skyways, a tuf neck stem, 401 flight cranks, dx pedals, oakley grips, comp 3's mx1000's, shimano DX's and a kashimax aero. These are the true icons of bmx and appear more or less on every frameset in one build or another. The frameset is your choice, but these are the must have's for any collection.
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there's some good logical posts here. it wasn't just frame sets that became "must haves" of this sport but rather a mix of the best as mentioned in J.T.RACING's post.
my must have frame would be the very first "TRUE" bmx frame that i owned. an Australian made 1979 mk1 quicksilver. if i ever find one, then my collection of must haves will be complete.
so far i have:
1978 team mongoose in candy blue
1983 prolineII built as a replica of my race bike from BITD
1983 proline dream bike in metallic red (should finish this one this week)
the others i have will come and go.
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Haro Freestyler got to be on your list
a nice looptail pk
531 quad so nice to ride
I am going to stick up for VDC changa complete chrome bike looks stunning
dont like TA's they look brittle, Ive had a few but never kept one
then a nice 70's redline or mongoose
but the list goes on, VDC, GT et...................
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Personally I'd love a Redline RL20 II...
Er...and both an Orange Mk1 Raleigh chopper plus a Mk2 Special Edition.
I've already got the 84 master and TA :)
Ray.
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Not my personal favourites but iconic bikes in my opinion are
Mongoose Motomag
PK Ripper Looptail
Haro Gen 1
bodamus ;)
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Good post Nick... I reckon iconic bikes for me are:
* Haro Master (my fave, always will be)
* Haro Gen 1 (must have bike...)
* Skyway TA (as not every bastard had one and when someone did, it attracted so much attention!)
* GT Pro Performer (fiola or not, this bike has something original...)
:daumenhoch:
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ball burnished loopy Rip' with black tuffs would be my no.1
2nd would be twin-toptube rebel freestyler in chrome (mk1 without all the platforms etc). Someone here has one and I love it as I had one bitd. Mine had yellow tuffs with coaster and white Skyway EZ bars and I wish I still had it!
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I think the must have bikes in your collection should be, the one bike you owned and always remember and the one you always wanted but never got.....................................
Just my opinion..................
Owned: Silver Streak and GT Pro
Never Got: HLT and Proclass
So have got mine I guess, managed to pick up a loopy ripper so couldn't resist building one but thats it for me I think ;)
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the bikes i always wanted...
a robinson r gusset
chrome torker 280x
kuwahara lazerlite..
i will shortly have all 3 as i wanted them back then, and a few other nice bits as well!
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I think the must have bikes in your collection should be, the one bike you owned and always remember and the one you always wanted but never got.....................................
Just my opinion..................
Owned: Silver Streak and GT Pro
Never Got: HLT and Proclass
So have got mine I guess, managed to pick up a loopy ripper so couldn't resist building one but thats it for me I think ;)
agree fully, the favourite bike you owned and the bike you always wanted
im lucky as fook cos i got the fave bike i owned for a song when i first got back into this, and i never wanted any other bike back then, i don't follow the sheep now and only buy bikes/stuff i like, not for investment purposes or because its a "must have" but coz i personally think its cool or i think its gonna ride well.
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This is my 5 main builds, I would say they are all iconic !
PK Ripper Looptail
Floval Flyer Looptail
Chrome Torker 280X
Hutch Trickstar
Quadangle
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Ha! All the bikes I wanted 25 years ago I now have >:D
Gen1 Haro :smitten:
Team Mongoose :smitten:
Motomag :smitten:
Skyway TA ::)
1983 onwards Pro-class/Supergoose :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
Oh, and a Haro Sport :crazy2:
And some more along the way
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quadangle and ta
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everything i ever wanted as a kid , ripper , haro , quadangle , ta , kuwhara et , supergoose , torker , redline carrera :daumenhoch: if i was to make a desision to buy an iconic old skool bike right now , wouldnt be able to decide , if i saw something i liked id buy it 8)
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trickstar for me as everyone who rode around 87 88 had one even all the top riders as they were the best for everything .
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well, it depends. there's what the current trends say the THE bikes to have and what you'd like.
I think the two bikes everyone should have are:
1. the bike they had as a kid, if you had several, then pick your favorite. If you still have one of your childhood bikes like many
of you do even better.
2. the bikes (or maybe bikes) you desired as a kid
so currently I have a red mki burner frame awaiting resto, not my own one, but this is what i had as a kid, this will not get a spec resto, it'll be combination of what I had it like to ride and a few bits I wished I had bitd but didn't.
and the bike I want: MkII Super Tuff burner.
however, I'm at a point where rather than buying bikes and selling them, building them and selling them, I'm now considering "a collection" as the wife seems to be onside.
so my target collection is this:
mk1 red burner (frame, forks, bars in my garage. it's going to be a long slow resto)
mkii super tuff burner (looking, always looking)
haro 91 sport with bash guard (nearly complete)
TA dirt bros replica, inspired by Harris' one. always looking for a rough TA frame as a base.
A freestyle skyway (might keep the street styler I'm building now as it's a touch unusual compared to beats though the beat was one i
desired bitd)
An Aero Reflex. (Got one in the pipeline, want to show that this bike can be as good as the "trendy" names)
and if it turns out to be a Yes BMX and I can find some pics, resotre the tip find I have in my garage.
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changa, cant see the point really, as the freestylers and the chimp are rarer ,anyone got a chimp :-\
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For Me It Would Go Like This
1. '82 Haro Gen 1 Freestyler
2. Diamond Back Harry Leary Turbo 1st Gen
3. Skyway T/A
4. PK Ripper Looptail
5. Quadangle
6. Mongoose Pro Class/Eric Rupe
7. GT Pro Or Nora Cup.
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I've gotta say a Santa Ana made GT pro, coolest affordable os race bike.
A mate had one bitd, I thought it was the best bike i had ever seen.
They arent that rare, but still one of the best.
And im shocked no one has mentioned these three letters. J.M.C......
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Performer, Ripper, Quad, Trickstar, TA, Sport.
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the must have bike is the bike you had back BITD, the one thats got ya as an aging gent stripping ya wallet tryin to build the next bike thats gonna make ya feel 14 again ::) doesnt matter what it is as long as it does it for ya :daumenhoch:
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The bike I had as a kid was a Ironhorse, the red one with the yellow mags and to be honest while I have seen a few floating around ebay I have very little desire to own one again.
I always, always wanted a TA. So i've got one of those, that while looks complete will always be looking for better parts to do it justice.
I didnt always want a Streetbeat (I think this came out just a little later for me to really notice it). The one I have now though I love and will keep.
I always, always, always wanted a Rebel. A lad in school I occasionally knocked about with (the cool kid in school with the best Adidas trainers, Tacchini tracksuits etc) had a chrome race frame and I loved it. Still looking for a race frame, but currently am working on the freestyler in my thread in BMX Chat. Its interesting actually as I always really loved twin top tube freestyle frames as a kid but saw very few around (apart from the odd Ammaco) so to combine the twin top tubes of my Freestyler with the Rebel name I remember from my youth is almost a perfect combination.
However, just before we moved away from Amlwch in Anglesey (great for bmx'ing kids - like a mini California BITD), my brother and I were pricing up different options for which bikes we might get for xmas. I remember my parents taking us to a bmx shop in Bangor (or Conwy) to look around and after reading the reviews in Action Bike I think we were deciding on a Redline 500a each. For one reason or another (we moved away) that never happened and I ended up with a Raleigh Equippe racer :( . So the Redline basically is the bike I should have had BITD.
However, if your talking classics for any collecion it would have to include:-
TA, Ripper, Performer, Quad, Hutch (Pro Star or Trick star), Haro Freestyler (of some description), Burner (of some description), etc
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Not my personal favourites but iconic bikes in my opinion are
Mongoose Motomag
PK Ripper Looptail
Haro Gen 1
bodamus ;)
that's pretty much spot on for me aswell