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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: munners on January 04, 2008, 03:58 PM
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Ok, I can get hold of a bottom bracket kit and spindle for a Hutch Aerospeed crank. They are the HUTCH and not copies and they look NOS from what i see. The only thing that is missing is the bearings that fit inside the bracket. From reading threads on here i gather that the bearings are a bugger to get but you can get them if you look into it. I dont have the arms unfortunately! :'( :LolLolLolLol:
WHAT ARE THEY WORTH PLEASE?
Also i can get a pair of HUTCH 1/2" Spindles for Beartraps. Only the spindles though.
WHAT ARE THESE WORTH TOO.
Cheers Nick
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Ok, I can get hold of a bottom bracket kit and spindle for a Hutch Aerospeed crank. They are the HUTCH and not copies and they look NOS from what i see. The only thing that is missing is the bearings that fit inside the bracket. From reading threads on here i gather that the bearings are a bugger to get but you can get them if you look into it. I dont have the arms unfortunately! :'( :LolLolLolLol:
WHAT ARE THEY WORTH PLEASE?
Also i can get a pair of HUTCH 1/2" Spindles for Beartraps. Only the spindles though.
WHAT ARE THESE WORTH TOO.
Cheers Nick
lets Just say the Hutch Crank Arms will cost you an 'Arm and a Leg' !!! :LolLolLolLol:
but I guess to old Money bags Nick, that ain't a problem !! ::)
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The bearings should not be much of a problem if you go to a bearing dealer.
As for what are they worth, Fook knows :-\ really depends who is after some.
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only good to someone that has hutch aerospeeds or fakes that are out there that owner`s think are real but i know they aren`t ::)
regarding spindles i don`t know as most peep use 9 /16 as use three piece
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I got the bearing cups. Everything is there apart from the bearings.
I bought a bike from someone today who apparentlly came up with the idea of copying the arms..... EXACTLY! These are the ones that are floating about. Someone very much known in the BMX world had a part to play in it too. APPARENTLY! ???
The bloke was a fooking top man too!
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WOW FANTASTIC NEWS :idiot2: :police:
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WOW FANTASTIC NEWS :idiot2: :police:
:wtf:
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YOU THINK ITS GOOD PEOPLE REPRO OLD PARTS?
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If thats what it sounds like then you are totally wrong mate! :idiot2:
Where did it say that i think it was good?
I reckon you should try and read it again mate!
What i said is that the bloke who i bought the bike from today was a 'top man too'.
Does that mean i think he is a top bloke for repro'ing parts?
Back to skool mate.
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DONT START RUMOURS,I HAVE BEEN COLLECTING BMX PARTS FOR 8 YEARS AND HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE ! NOW YOU GO BACK TO SCHOOL :Aresehole:
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:LolLolLolLol:
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YOU THINK ITS GOOD PEOPLE REPRO OLD PARTS?
Got to say this is how read it at first :-[
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;D :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: chill guys .....new year an all that
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;D :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: chill guys .....new year an all that
nah,.............. have a punch up ya b@st@rds !!!! :knuppel2: :D ;)
a fiver on Munners please ! in the fifth ! :LolLolLolLol:
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I don't get the newbies response, touch uncalled for unless Munners has edited his original post (which it doesnt look like he has). Another newbie posting cack and pi55ing people off.
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dont start with that new b sh*t you fookin noxxxxx**"£*****in&****** :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :daumenhoch:
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:wtf: is wrong, to many thread jumpers with to many attitudes, if ppl dont relax Rad will loose some of its coolness.
Peace :Great_Britain:
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;D :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: chill guys .....new year an all that
nah,.............. have a punch up ya b@st@rds !!!! :knuppel2: :D ;)
a fiver on Munners please ! in the fifth ! :LolLolLolLol:
i'll have a tenner on munners in the first ;)
have ya seen the size of him >:D :2funny:
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Why not repro old parts? ??? If they are marked with the year of manufacture then i dont see a problem.
Munners..... Kappa make nice Aerospeed style crank arms m8..... Its an option i looked into. I emailed them about a year ago via their website and although the Kappa cranks are "no longer available" i was told a set could be made available and quoted around $500 (arms only) if i remember right.
http://www.kappabmx.com/main.html
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I didnt change it Marty. ;) Thats how i put it down. :angel:
Thats why i hate writing on the net! Sometimes things come over wrongly.
The bloke who i met to buy the bike off is an extremely knowledgable bloke and has been around for years.
He is a member on here and has done shows all over. He has some sick bikes. He came up with the idea of copying Aerospeeds ages ago. It's old news. I didnt ask if he sold them as copies or as the real mccoy. I just didnt ask as i wasnt bothered. It was just interesting knowing that i met the bloke who was behind it! Thats what i meant to write in the thread. I didnt start the thread about that anyway and it annoyed me why the new fella made such a remark.
Im not dissing the bloke for being a newbie but he has got some front! ;D Im relatively new to this site.
Knowing the bloke who got involved and took over the selling of them.........well lets just say i cant vouch for him! :LolLolLolLol:
I bet your life he sold them as the real Deal! >:D
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somtimes when you read theads, things come across diff to diff people. its just the way people some times explain things.
you cant go round :tickedoff:fo888kin & blinn just because you think it means sumin other :D :D :D :D
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Why not repro old parts? ??? If they are marked with the year of manufacture then i dont see a problem.
Munners..... Kappa make nice Aerospeed style crank arms m8..... Its an option i looked into. I emailed them about a year ago via their website and although the Kappa cranks are "no longer available" i was told a set could be made available and quoted around $500 (arms only) if i remember right.
http://www.kappabmx.com/main.html
Cheers mate. ;)
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Np m8.... here is a piccy of a set:
http://www.vintageredline.com/gallery_pics/hutch_xl24/side_close.jpg
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Np m8.... here is a piccy of a set:
http://www.vintageredline.com/gallery_pics/hutch_xl24/side_close.jpg
Well nice. ;)
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As far as the pedal spindles go I just got some NOS 9/16" genuine hutch titanium spindles with original NOS bearings and end bolts for £150.
Bit pricey I know but you could probably work out how much yours could be worth in crmo and 1/2"
Chris.
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Have a look at Crupi spindles they fit Hutch pedals and look almost identical (apart from Crupi machining is far better than Hutch :LolLolLolLol:)
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what's the point of building an old school bike and sourceing rare parts if you're gonna put some repro piece of shit on it as well. If you can't be bothered to look for the original or wait for the original or afford the original then use something else. The more that tossers start reproing the best gear the more these bits will get passed off as the real deal on e-bay or bastardised to cover up their repro roots and undermine the real parts. Better a real part than some repop.
Decals make sense because the adorn a REAL frame and take nothing away from it's authenticity. Too many people looking for a 'quick fix', it's not like restoring a car and having a part made, these parts on bmx's were products in thier own rights and it's either a FAKE or genuine, call it repop, retro or homage it's still a fake piece of shit and does nothing for this hobby. It's like snide designer gear, it's shit and for pretenders. If you love BMX and especially Old school, you won't want it being a sea of fake crap that makes buying them special parts a minefield of repop shit dodgeing. If you don't give a fook that it's new, just put a new part on and don't pretend it's the real deal. It's bad enough seeing a perfectly good original finish being stripped and lost for ever for a colour change that never exsisted on that frameset. Why not get a fooked up one and re-finish that, the original finishes that survive are part of bmx history and can't ever be replaced.
IMHO getting a part at any cost doesn't mean trying to cheat the system. I can't afford aerospeeds, if i could i wouldn't pay that anyway but to fake them would make me a fake as well. No thanks.
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what's the point of building an old school bike and sourceing rare parts if you're gonna put some repro piece of shit on it as well. If you can't be bothered to look for the original or wait for the original or afford the original then use something else. The more that tossers start reproing the best gear the more these bits will get passed off as the real deal on e-bay or bastardised to cover up their repro roots and undermine the real parts. Better a real part than some repop.
Decals make sense because the adorn a REAL frame and take nothing away from it's authenticity. Too many people looking for a 'quick fix', it's not like restoring a car and having a part made, these parts on bmx's were products in thier own rights and it's either a FAKE or genuine, call it repop, retro or homage it's still a fake piece of shit and does nothing for this hobby. It's like snide designer gear, it's shit and for pretenders. If you love BMX and especially Old school, you won't want it being a sea of fake crap that makes buying them special parts a minefield of repop shit dodgeing. If you don't give a fook that it's new, just put a new part on and don't pretend it's the real deal. It's bad enough seeing a perfectly good original finish being stripped and lost for ever for a colour change that never exsisted on that frameset. Why not get a fooked up one and re-finish that, the original finishes that survive are part of bmx history and can't ever be replaced.
IMHO getting a part at any cost doesn't mean trying to cheat the system. I can't afford aerospeeds, if i could i wouldn't pay that anyway but to fake them would make me a fake as well. No thanks.
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Hey JT, did you read the post? I can't see where it says anything about getting repops made other than Munners got the BB off a guy that maybe had some made. Maybe I missed that bit :-\.
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not talking about munners, talking about fakes.
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not talking about munners, talking about fakes.
Aha! With you now :daumenhoch:
How's the new house?
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cool as, just gonna dig into the decorating again. making a multi fuel stove and an inglenook fireplace. today i'm gonna be doing some masonary. i am the novice mason. Good joiner, leccy, plumber and other stuff but never tackled a bit of brickwork. but he who dares wins and all that. ;)
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:shocked: :shocked: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Old-School-BMX-Hutch-BMX-Aerospeed-crank-set-180MM_W0QQitemZ300187905134QQihZ020QQcategoryZ64644QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem :D :D
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that's mark, they are genuine cranks from a guy i know you will all love and cherish and take to heart ::)
he is very anti-uk and thinks we are all second rate repop artists and anything made outside the US is just inferior and all we have is restored junk(as he puts it). And he really won't ship to the uk so you can bid with confidence(that you will not be getting any aerospeeds off him) which is a shame. I reckon he would be a top bloke if he was just different.
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sounds a nice guy :LolLolLolLol:
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cool as, just gonna dig into the decorating again. making a multi fuel stove and an inglenook fireplace. today i'm gonna be doing some masonary. i am the novice mason. Good joiner, leccy, plumber and other stuff but never tackled a bit of brickwork. but he who dares wins and all that. ;)
Brave man ;). have you sorted the basement yet for those bikes of yours?
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There is a difference between faking and repro-ing. Collectors/enthusiasts from all genres repro parts that are either obsolete/unobtainable or too expensive for their budget, or have them made by a third party.
Fakers copy original parts/things to pass them off as the real thing for finacial gain..... Fakers will make stuff wherever there is £££ and will always be a problem.
The price and scarcity of Aerospeeds means that some people will need to source alternatives to re-create the look they want. Like i said before... i have no probs with quality reproing as long as it is date marked. Just my opinion :)
At the end of the day when buying, its like every other area of Antiques and collectables.... Do your homework, buy from a reputable seller, view and handle the goods if you can prior to purchasing, ask questions, seek advice if you need to. :daumenhoch:
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Do your homework, buy from a reputable seller, view and handle the goods if you can prior to purchasing, ask questions, seek advice if you need to. :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j87/townytownsend/stypefront1.jpg)
when your mates will shaft you then sky's the limit i say. But even having one made is like sewing your own lacoste badge on a matalan jacket.
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Anyway lads, never mind i am crap at English, if you haven't noticed. so don't fall out! :smitten: i saw some 9/16 bits that go into the pedals ( spindles) i call them, not been the game for 25 years. Any way they were about £ 150.00. i would have thought that 1/2 inch ones would be cheaper, as to weather its worth it, it depends on how much you want them and how the overall crank etc is worth. hopefully i have the right end of the stick.
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Ive had probs finding bearings for the bottom bracket of Hutch Aerospeeds, can anyone help :)
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looky on the web ,they are out there.imported from the states bronze needle bearings they should be listed under
or something like that .i will try to find the receipt with the company in the uk.manchester rings a bell
a company that made machinery but thats all i remember.
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Do your homework, buy from a reputable seller, view and handle the goods if you can prior to purchasing, ask questions, seek advice if you need to. :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j87/townytownsend/stypefront1.jpg)
when your mates will shaft you then sky's the limit i say. But even having one made is like sewing your own lacoste badge on a matalan jacket.
:LolLolLolLol: You rotten sod ;D
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you see the proplem here??????????????????????????are the ones one ebay real or fake?without seeing them in the flesh its hard to tell!!!FUNMONSTER YOU ARE WRONG SO ARE YOU MUNNERS!!!
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you see the proplem here??????????????????????????are the ones one ebay real or fake?without seeing them in the flesh its hard to tell!!!FUNMONSTER YOU ARE WRONG SO ARE YOU MUNNERS!!!
Opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one :daumenhoch:
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^^^^ and some of you talk out of them
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^^^^ and some of you talk out of them
Why don't you just fcuk off? You come on here shouting off about something YOU think someone wrote which they didn't and get all high and mighty. The only person talking out of their arse is you; you CNUT. You have an opinion as does everyone else, live with it and the fact that yours may differ to others, that dpoes not mean that they are wrong and you are right. So FCUK OFF.
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as i said before :daumenhoch:
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as i said before :daumenhoch:
yeah, you talk and type out of yours :daumenhoch:.
So what's your story then?
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my story is that i have genuine parts that cost me a lot of money and time sourcing over 8 years!,JUST TO SEE SOME fookWIT CLONE THEM! OK?
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my story is that i have genuine parts that cost me a lot of money and time sourcing over 8 years!,JUST TO SEE SOME fookWIT CLONE THEM! OK?
UNLUCKY, YOU SHOULD'NT HAVE SPENT ALL THAT MONEY THEN :LolLolLolLol:
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MAYBE NOT? BUT ATLEAST I HAVE REAL,GENUINE,PARTS FROM THE 80S ,NOT SOME CRAP MADE LAST WEEK IN A BACK STREET CHOP SHOP ON A RUSTY LATHE
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lets see them, then m8t :-* be nice to see some original parts ;D
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MAYBE NOT? BUT ATLEAST I HAVE REAL,GENUINE,PARTS FROM THE 80S ,NOT SOME CRAP MADE LAST WEEK IN A BACK STREET CHOP SHOP ON A RUSTY LATHE
No fooking personality though or so it seems at least ;). I am sure you are a really nice person but your tone and approach is a touch on the raw side. Why do you insist on SHOUTING all the time and insinuating that only YOU have genuine parts and everyone else has "back street chop shop on a reusty lathe" made parts?
You seem to have come here intent on being a keyboard warrior and getting people's backs up; if that's the case it's not wanted if it's not then take a chill pill and start getting to know people before forcing opinions on everyone else like your from some extremist religion :daumenhoch:.
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^^^^^^^^^ I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK! I NEVER TOLD YOU OR ANYBODY TO fook OFF !YOU DID!!!!!WHO IS IN THE WRONG ?I WILL LET THE READERS OF THIS THREAD DECIED/MAKE UP THERE OWN MINDS.
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^^^^^^^^^ I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK! I NEVER TOLD YOU OR ANYBODY TO fook OFF !YOU DID!!!!!WHO IS IN THE WRONG ?I WILL LET THE READERS OF THIS THREAD DECIED/MAKE UP THERE OWN MINDS.
Think they already have ::).
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YOU ARE THE MOST BORING MAN I HAVE EVER MAD THE MISFORTUNE TO" TALK" TO!
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you see the proplem here??????????????????????????are the ones one ebay real or fake?without seeing them in the flesh its hard to tell!!!FUNMONSTER YOU ARE WRONG SO ARE YOU MUNNERS!!!
If you`ve been collecting for 8 years then you`d know that the guy who`s selling those cranks would rather cut his wrists than touch fake or re-pop parts, let alone sell them :police:
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YOU ARE THE MOST BORING MAN I HAVE EVER MAD THE MISFORTUNE TO" TALK" TO!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g114/martycoughlin/whistling.gif) Question too difficult for you?
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Just another E-hero Marty. Dont worry about it.
Maybe his capshifts stuck or he was the one that bought the fakes that were going around and he's just found out. :LolLolLolLol:
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Aerospeeds always cause a stir wherever you are in the world! LOL.
Unless you can find Aerospeeds complete, or 99% complete theres alot of outlay of cash for the available parts while you hunt for the unavailable parts.
Even when you get them people question their authenticity! I wouldnt give more than a tenner for them! ;D - not worth the hassle!
They have been the cause of so many arguements over the years. They have been repoped so many times correctly and incorrectly. The bearings are used in Aerospace applications and are like rocking horse poo! Repop spindles and cups are readily available from our friend Biagio and guess what? he has no bearings either! If they were available dont you think that Biagio of all people would have sourced them and probably bought all the stock before holding the world to ransom for $1,000,000,000,000........ ;D
Ah well until this topic comes up next year bye for now!
PS. Speaking of annual topics, when are you guys gonna hold the ritual slagging off of Biagio? :LolLolLolLol:
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I can't see what all the fuss is about, Aerospeed cranks (although nice looking) were shit and no-one except Hutch Factory riders (and Andy Ruffle) used them because they snapped.
The only thing I will add is to jb31, turn the caps lock off mate, thanks. :daumenhoch:
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Sorry to cause a riot on here all. Sorry Marty and Andy that this bloke started on you too. Outrageous!
He is a wind up merchant and is probably someone in disguise! :LolLolLolLol:
As for my hunt for bearings......i guess it may be a touch hard. ;)
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PS. Speaking of annual topics, when are you guys gonna hold the ritual slagging off of Biagio? :LolLolLolLol:
He has put his prices up again. :LolLolLolLol:
£45 for a Sugino 1 piece plus you got to pay the postage! :shocked:
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He's not anyone else...no IP matches.
But I think it's time to lock this thread as arguments like this always go on during Jan & Feb - everyone has the winter blues. Happened last year and the year before and the year before that.
Everyone stay rad and keep cool.
Good luck finding your bearings Munners.
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