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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: Swivel on January 16, 2008, 12:18 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200190704255&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200190704255&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching)
Looks like a Master that's been stickered up like a Gen 1, but at the same time the drop outs are different and the serial isn't situated in the same place as the Gen 1's i.e. on the drop out. The serial is this: YF40802399
I requested some more photos from the guy that's selling it and he sent some over to me. It really looks like a gen 1 but at the same time his saying its 1985? Makes no sense to me, so what do you guys reckon?
Matt :daumenhoch:
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It's a copy....
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Copy frame!? :shocked: Ok, I thought it maybe the case as I didn't see any brake/coaster jobber on the back. Getting quite high bids for a copy then... ???
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there was a pukka copy on here about 2 yr ago and it went for top money
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I love the way he's taken pictures from every angle apart from the ones you need to make a positive id. The geezer obviously knows what he's selling.
twat
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Yeah I thought that. I asked for a photo of the whole frame from the side and he wouldn't send it, so that says it all really. Lots of bids on this already though surprisingly ....
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The headtube isn't machined either. Those pics could trick some people though. Still a cool frame, whatever it is.
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I love the way he's taken pictures from every angle apart from the ones you need to make a positive id. The geezer obviously knows what he's selling.
twat
Noticed that too...
But the non machined headtube says all !
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I've got a really nice copy one here....seat tube is longer than it should be (but easy to cut down) and the chainstays meet the BB in a different place.
Would fool a lot of people though.
*edit* Here's a pic - with the seatpost shortened slightly how would you know...even has the machined headtube and coaster tab.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v614/retrogeezer1/IMG_1324.jpg)
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I was bidder 1 ,thought £3 was a good price :LolLolLolLol:
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I've got a really nice copy one here....seat tube is longer than it should be (but easy to cut down) and the chainstays meet the BB in a different place.
Would fool a lot of people though.
You mean the ones who do not look too close at the welds... ;)
How about the brake bridge ?
Still good looking !
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Deffo a copy, think the higest bidder is going to be disappointed, very disappointed :2gunsfiring_v1:
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What a con. Someone should've reported it as he is selling it as a genuine Haro freestyler frame.
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just hope no one gets stung and knows what they are buying ,i guess the forks are worth a good bit ,It does look nice, but wouldn't go over £200 myself.
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those hutch bars he's selling are rare as fook too :D
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Didn't really read the info on it ,it does say its genuine,Reported, HARO :police: see what happens.
I'm pretty certain that F+F's was for sale a while back ......
Probably a waste of time though , as the auction is about to end...........
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So are the Skyway TUFT that he is selling!
He so knows the bars and f+f are not correct! I reckon he is advertising the parts incorrectly so that if it does come on top he can plead ignorance! That way he can get away with getting top money for bits that may trick 'jo average'.
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You mean the ones who do not look too close at the welds...
It's nicely welded too....not quite as neat around the gusset but not how it looks in the photo - it's just very shiney and reflecting the light.
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those hutch bars he's selling are rare as fook too :D
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Fookin' conman :2gunsfiring_v1:
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Jesus, reading this is frightening, I'm trying hard to get myself an 80's race bike and i'm looking on Ebay all the time. Despite this being a Freestyler i would have had a serious think about it.
I've been out of the sport for twenty years and can only go by what people post about what their selling and i have to take it as gospel.
It also goes to prove that a lot of the guys oh here know their stuff and their are some right dodgy characters around.
Cheers guys.
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Jesus, reading this is frightening, I'm trying hard to get myself an 80's race bike and i'm looking on Ebay all the time. Despite this being a Freestyler i would have had a serious think about it.
I've been out of the sport for twenty years and can only go by what people post about what their selling and i have to take it as gospel.
It also goes to prove that a lot of the guys oh here know their stuff and their are some right dodgy characters around.
Cheers guys.
If you read past threads on here and study then you will pick it up in no time mate. Easy! :LolLolLolLol:
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To be honest Munners, i've done nothing other than read since i've been a member here. I have had some excellent advice from a fair few people, especially on flight cranks.
But when i look at all the bikes in the museum, i'm just blown away by them all and i end up a jibbering wreck. Its getting to a point now where i'm that desperate to rewind my life twenty years that i just want to buy something as soon as possible.
Its a slow process, i'll get there and hopefully i wont get stitched up. How you guys have done it i'll never know.
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Sold at 276
Who gona mail the dude then and tell him ??
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Ouch! 276 quid. Worth contacting the buyer?
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only just looked at this as it was finishing. went from £204 to £276 in the last couple of minutes.
Poor old jake_fratelli....
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As long as the "Hutch" Vector bars dont go for that much :LolLolLolLol:
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well, probably not a million miles away from what a good copy in mint condition would fetch - but that ain't a good copy.
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And there is no way the Pinseeker 3-SW he is selling is real. He has just put the logo on a much cheaper pitching wedge!
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I think they are fake vectors too - tubing doesn't look thick enough.
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doh, munners said they were fake earlier.. :uglystupid2:
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Kin ell £275 jesus that's high, feel sorry for the buyer especially if they think they are getting an original.... bloody seller needs his kneecaps done for not mentioning a single thing about it being a copy.. :knuppel2:
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Just sent the winner a msg with this link , ebay say they don't always deliver the msgs though !
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I just sold a much better Gen1 copy to someone on here for more than 4 times less than that last week (machined head, coaster tab etc)....
I spotted that listing when it was first listed, the forks are worth more than the frame! (at least they look like genuine haro forks)
Hope the buyer doesnt pay up!
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I've messaged the bloke. I think he's just signed up on here. Unfortunately he's already paid by paypal.
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Hi All, cheers for looking out for me with the Haro (especially Trev), but i was just too late reading your comments. I've contacted the seller to see if he will refund my money due to wrong info given! I'll let you know what he say's. But in the meantime...does anybody want to buy a Haro Freestyler?????? Cheers again. Jim (£300 down today)
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Ah mate. I am sure something will happen and it will get sorted.
What a bummer. Always check the bible (RAD) 1st.! :LolLolLolLol:
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It's a shame that the seller chose to make the bids anonomyous. You can't warn anyone until it's all over.
I'm sure you can put in a paypal claim anyway if the seller doesn't play ball. After all if it is a fake, they should be no problem getting your money back.
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If the paypal transaction is not completed, can you just grab it back straight away??
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Hi All, cheers for looking out for me with the Haro (especially Trev), but i was just too late reading your comments. I've contacted the seller to see if he will refund my money due to wrong info given! I'll let you know what he say's. But in the meantime...does anybody want to buy a Haro Freestyler?????? Cheers again. Jim (£300 down today)
Good luck and keep us informed Jim
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If you paid by paypal, can you take delivery and then start a claim back against the seller? :-\
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Welcome here Jim, you'll get some good advice about Haros on RAD !
Hope everything wiill end well for you.
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Welcome Jim :daumenhoch:
I emailed the seller a few days ago telling him thiat it was a fake, so he knew what he was selling.
Email him & tell him >:D
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Welcome Jim, shame you didn't come on here sooner mate... I posted up the thread as I was wary after the guy sent me some pictures but nothing which could be identified as a real Gen 1, just bits and pieces to fool people into thinking it was a real one... sorry to hear that you've paid up, that guy needs a good kick in :knuppel2:
Best of luck with getting your money back though mate and keep us posted ;)
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I'm sure RomBlerk has scan of an advert for one of those frames from bitd, with a bit of luck he'll be reading this soon and will post it up :daumenhoch:.
Good to have you on board Jim, welcome to the nut house :D ;).
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Hi All, cheers for looking out for me with the Haro (especially Trev), but i was just too late reading your comments. I've contacted the seller to see if he will refund my money due to wrong info given! I'll let you know what he say's. But in the meantime...does anybody want to buy a Haro Freestyler?????? Cheers again. Jim (£300 down today)
Welcome Jim ,
Did you get my message ( on ebay ) with the link to this thread ? . Ebay say they don't always deliver them because we were'nt involved in a transaction or something like that ! ( on ebay that is ) .
Matt
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If you paid by paypal, can you take delivery and then start a claim back against the seller? :-\
Start claim on the grounds that you did'nt receive what was described in the auction ? .
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Hi All, cheers for looking out for me with the Haro (especially Trev), but i was just too late reading your comments. I've contacted the seller to see if he will refund my money due to wrong info given! I'll let you know what he say's. But in the meantime...does anybody want to buy a Haro Freestyler?????? Cheers again. Jim (£300 down today)
Welcome Jim ,
Did you get my message ( on ebay ) with the link to this thread ? . Ebay say they don't always deliver them because we were'nt involved in a transaction or something like that ! ( on ebay that is ) .
Matt
I sent him a message via ebay and he got that okay. I think they don't always go through if you put an email or website address on it. I just told him what was being said on RADBMX and he should register on here and take a look.
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Hi all,
Thanks for the support yesterday, I thought I'd got the bike I always wanted, but nevermind!
Anyway, day 2 of the Haro Freestyler (copy, fake, rip-off) story, and I have had a reply which I would like anybody who know's Haro bikes to clarify for me if possible.
The serial number has been written incorrectly on Ebay, it is actually YF 840802399. Does this match any Haro frames, let me know if you can.
Thanks again.
Jim
The reply to me...
hi jim, ive spoken to my friend who i was selling this frame for and he assures me that this frame is original. its an 1985 frame with 82-83 decals, and the
serial no is on the bottom bracket because it wasnt made at the torker factory being an 85.
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Tell his friend to log on Rad, some things he doesn't remember for sure... ;)
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Tell him Haro didn't make a bike in the 80's that didn't have a coaster tab. There are plenty of 85 Haro's in the museum and they are nothing like that. 85's have the flattened 'L shaped' dropouts at the rear.
The guy is talking bollox. i wonder who his friend is that seems to know so much?
82 Freestyler ....
(http://images.vintagebmx.com/web_pages/jay47/builds_2006_004.jpg)
'84 Master, Note the gusset behind the bottom bracket and the front gussett welded all the way around this was the same on all models after the original 82...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f389/bodamus/1984%20Haro%20Master/1984HaroMaster1.jpg)
85 Masters....
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd207/delbmx/Dscf0458.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff8/muddstud/CIMG0796.jpg)
Not how all three variants have the machined headtube, ie flaired at top and bottom?. Your copy does not.
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Hi All, cheers for looking out for me with the Haro (especially Trev), but i was just too late reading your comments. I've contacted the seller to see if he will refund my money due to wrong info given! I'll let you know what he say's. But in the meantime...does anybody want to buy a Haro Freestyler?????? Cheers again. Jim (£300 down today)
What a bugger mate. Sorry you got stung by that seller.
I hope you get it sorted though. I feel a lot of OS BMX fans will be looking out for him if you don't.
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hi all its me the knob head who sold jim the copy.
id like to appoliges to jim as hes now getting a full refund. im not a huge bike buff and sold this bike for a friend with the knowledge that it was a original as he has no ebay account. hes had an arse kicking from myself and i will not be selling his snard gear in future. again all apologises to jim and anybody who has been afended.
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Nice one mate, if you made a Genuine mistake & have now refunded the Buyer, then everyone is happy :)
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Respect you for posting Gareth... :daumenhoch:
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hi all its me the knob head who sold jim the copy.
id like to appoliges to jim as hes now getting a full refund. im not a huge bike buff and sold this bike for a friend with the knowledge that it was a original as he has no ebay account. hes had an arse kicking from myself and i will not be selling his snard gear in future. again all apologises to jim and anybody who has been afended.
Thanks for coming to the site and posting mate. I wish more people had the balls to do that. This is a hobby where we all need to look out for each other. We're one big happy family. :daumenhoch:
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Fair play Gareth, i take back my comments.
Well done mate.
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cheers guys for the comments.
im a new big buff and haros werent my thing fortunatly down to you guys im gend up on whats what and i to will be looking out for those rogue traders out there.
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thing is gareth i actually emailed you via ebay, informing you that it was a fake....did you not think of responding, or did you think i was trying it on for a low buy it now price from you.
Dave
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Well done Gareth for holding your hand up to your mistake, very big of you that dude, good on ya! And well done for resolving it with a full refund to the guy who bought it.
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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That takes balls , far bigger balls than the guy on ebay thats trying to do me for fraud.
Respect.
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WELL DONE MATE FOR STANDING UP TO THE PLATE :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
i suggest re-listing it as a "copy"
i know there is a few members on here with them.
there is market out there for the fake ones
as long as its listed as such :daumenhoch:
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no dave i didnt think you were trying to pull a fast one i got a bit suspicious after i was inandated with emails from people telling me it was a copy. i should have pulled it of and not listend to the tool i was selling it for.
the forks are really though apparently