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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: beard1973 on January 17, 2008, 11:29 PM
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Alot of Robinson talk on here of late... and since building and racing this....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/ProjectAmtracPage1updated.gif)
I am falling more and more in love with them. Got this a while ago, hoping it might have some Amtrac info in it... but sadly its too early I think...
(Anyone with ANY Amtrac info, scans.. photos... adverts... articles... I would love to see them.)
Anyway.. here is the 1990 Robinson Catalogue..
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/CoverCompleteWeb.gif)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/Page12CompleteWeb.gif)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/Page34CompleteWeb.gif)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/Page56CompleteWeb.gif)
Some of the cool pictures featured...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/GregHill.gif)
And oh how I want this gear....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/gg88/burnerworld2/RobinsonGear.gif)
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Beard, the Amtrac was Charles Townsend's signature frame. CT rode for Robinson between 1991 and 1998, so I think the Amtrac first came out a couple of years after that catalogue in 1992/3.
Cool bike.
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Nice one Mike... So I am looking for 92/93 Brochure then... anyone???
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that ll come in handly mate , i got a black one and red one brand new in there boxes and would love to build them to that spec , maybe one day ey.
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thanks for scanning alll that beardy :daumenhoch: im putting the stickers on mine today , thanks to gossa for letting me have them :daumenhoch: great bikes these i love mine, :smitten:
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I have a few of those jerseys but no pants left.
ZED, those decals i gave you preceed the ones in this brochure by a season or two. Those decals were fitted 88 I think, there are some subtle differences but they're very similar.
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There was almost always an Amtrack add on the back of Invert magazine. I think it had CT stood on a train track, lookin tuff. I will have a look as see if I can find one and scan it in.
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I have a few of those jerseys but no pants left.
ZED, those decals i gave you preceed the ones in this brochure by a season or two. Those decals were fitted 88 I think, there are some subtle differences but they're very similar.
There going to look great clive, ill post a pic later, i would ride down but its peeing down :-\ and it will get wet :LolLolLolLol:
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There was almost always an Amtrack add on the back of Invert magazine. I think it had CT stood on a train track, lookin tuff. I will have a look as see if I can find one and scan it in.
That's right Alex, that's how I remembered the Amtrac being Choo Choo Charles' signature frame, cos they ran those ads for a long time in all the mags worldwide. I guess he was Robinson's top rider until Greg Romero came along.
I can't remember whether the Amtrac ever went threadless/v-brake, or whether Townsend just switched to one of the aluminium Robinson pro frames once new school started. I remember him being one of the first guys to run those Spin 3-piece mag wheels but think he was on an aluminium frame by then.
Clive, did you ever have Spins on your bike? I think Spins were imported by Caratti and you were on GT (also imported by Caratti) around that time.
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here you go. That didnt take long to find did it?
This is the rear cover from BMX Now, Xmas 1992.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/Magazines/BMXnow_Xmas1992rearcover.jpg)
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cool add and bike , just terrible seat , looks mingin :LolLolLolLol:
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cool add and bike , just terrible seat , looks mingin :LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol:
Generic seat made by Velo that hundreds of companies had branded with their logo during the 90s. I had an Xposure one and a DK one at some point.
A seat's a seat. But look how much seat post is showing :D
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Thanks for that Alex!!! thats wicked...!!! :daumenhoch:
Just lookin at the drop outs though... mine is 'closed' so to speak.. where as on the Advert the rear triangle is open so to speak.
Urmm... :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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mines getting there beardy, hopefully ill be getting some pads from gossa and ive got a few more bits to change, :daumenhoch:
1990 pro
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/myburner744.jpg)
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I like it... ;)
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Whats the connection between GT and Robinson - couldn't help notice the parts in the scans and the mutual address - i know GT bought Dyno - did they purchase Robinson as well!
Paul
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GT did buy Dyno and Robinson ... and every other small company they could bully into selling up. Auburn, Powerlite .... More Im sure. They had "tacticks" for doing it. Good at "Business" I guess. :tickedoff:
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yeah alex buy the lot ,and then sell out ;)
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A seat's a seat. But look how much seat post is showing :D
Looks kike he's gonna use it to rest his dick on..
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GT would start off making frames for other companies. They held back on making stuff when loads were wanted, and then build up a stock pile of frames in quiet times that couldnt be paid for. GT would offer to 'help out' by buying some of the company and before you knew it, another name was written on the side of the GT Van.
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sounds very much like profit and turnover took over at GT - i was into other things during this time and always wondered what happened to GT - there modern bikes seem to be the modern day equivalent of the Raleigh Burner.
Not knocking Burners as they did a lot for BMX rightly or wrongly - and i still love the Aero Pro but in my opinion the AERO was the only truly raceable Burner and for me still remains desirable.
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GT were awful. Once S&M had bought all their frames back from GT (and refused to let them "help out"), S&M went out of their way to pee off GT whenever they could. Everything from prank phonecalls on their Videos, to racing in "GT SUCKS" T-shirts (which got Moeller banned from racing for a while?). It was all very funny.
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This is for sale - apparently alans own bike - does look tip top :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/z164/wildwood1971/alans_robinson.jpg)
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Also found these - apparently available in red, black or for an extra £25 chrome.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/z164/wildwood1971/90robinsonchrome.jpg)
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There was almost always an Amtrack add on the back of Invert magazine. I think it had CT stood on a train track, lookin tuff. I will have a look as see if I can find one and scan it in.
That's right Alex, that's how I remembered the Amtrac being Choo Choo Charles' signature frame, cos they ran those ads for a long time in all the mags worldwide. I guess he was Robinson's top rider until Greg Romero came along.
I can't remember whether the Amtrac ever went threadless/v-brake, or whether Townsend just switched to one of the aluminium Robinson pro frames once new school started. I remember him being one of the first guys to run those Spin 3-piece mag wheels but think he was on an aluminium frame by then.
Clive, did you ever have Spins on your bike? I think Spins were imported by Caratti and you were on GT (also imported by Caratti) around that time.
I don't think the amtrac had v brakes, that came on the SST? Me spins? Man I had some gay sh1t but gave those a wide birth....
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Reet , I'm gonna sound proper anal now :-\ but i just realised summat. On Greg Hill's shirt is has the Robinson logo as RRR but when i had my Robinson pro back in 82ish it had RRP meaning Robinson Racing Products (if memory serves me right :crazy2: ) so when and why did it go to RRR and what does it stand for ???
Paul :coolsmiley:
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As Scooby Doo would say...
"Robinson Racing Roducts"
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Reet , I'm gonna sound proper anal now :-\ but i just realised summat. On Greg Hill's shirt is has the Robinson logo as RRR but when i had my Robinson pro back in 82ish it had RRP meaning Robinson Racing Products (if memory serves me right :crazy2: ) so when and why did it go to RRR and what does it stand for ???
Paul :coolsmiley:
Mate i was thinking that only the other day, i put it down to the product managers and designers at GT not really knowing or understanding the heritage or origins of robinson brand. What a surprise..............
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Didn't GT stand for Gary Turner-did he sell out-when was that?
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GT did/does stand for Gary Turner.
I think GT went public (i.e. became a listed company) around the early to mid-90s (after which Gary Turner left the company and Rich Long died in a motor cycle accident). GT (and all the brands it owned) eventually fell into the ownership of Schwinn and in the early 2000s Schwinn got into financial difficulty and ended up being bought by (I think) Pacific (who also own Mongoose).
Most of the great bike companies we knew as kids are now owned by big multi-national corporates more interested in making money than producing quality stuff and forwarding the sport of BMX.
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Mike, even in 87 or so when GT 'acquired' Robinson they probably didn't bother to look deep into the history of the company and continue it's legacy as they were so big then they were probably a tad complacent because of thier size and dominance. However Mike, they had the jump on you mate as they made a couple of titanium prototypes back then that were really sweet, apparently the project cost a fortune as they had to buy in tubing big enough for US BB diameters. The back end flexed too much as they didn't brace the chainstays.
Chuck Robinson must have pissed himself when he saw thier interpretation of his logo.
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It's a shame that the Robinson and Powerlite brands have just died now that Pacific owns GT.
Maybe I should contact them and see if they'll sell me a licence ;)
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Yes... Yes... Yes... Do it Mike... :daumenhoch:
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Yes... Yes... Yes... Do it Mike... :daumenhoch:
Just kidding mate. Probably out of my league. Maybe one day.
I would love to give all those orphaned BMX brands like Robinson, Powerlite and Hutch a proper home.
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Yes... Yes... Yes... Do it Mike... :daumenhoch:
Just kidding mate. Probably out of my league. Maybe one day.
I would love to give all those orphaned BMX brands like Robinson, Powerlite and Hutch a proper home.
would love to see them brands in safe :daumenhoch: hands
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i heard GT ended up with race inc too, apparently one of the main fabricators who used to weld up the race incs went on to do the zaskar alloy mtb's at GT.
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i heard GT ended up with race inc too, apparently one of the main fabricators who used to weld up the race incs went on to do the zaskar alloy mtb's at GT.
the zaskar is a sweet mtb , i remember hans rey testing them , they snapped one at the headtube, it was a prototype, around 1990 :daumenhoch:
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Zaskars were a lot like Race Incs/PK Rippers. I had one from 1994-1997 then replaced it with a Spooky Metalhead.
I never knew GT also owned Race Inc. If they did, I never saw any GT stuff under the Race Inc brand.
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Zaskars were a lot like Race Incs/PK Rippers. I had one from 1994-1997 then replaced it with a Spooky Metalhead.
I never knew GT also owned Race Inc. If they did, I never saw any GT stuff under the Race Inc brand.
I just heard that GT ended up owning the Race Inc brand name, they definately never made anything under the name.
I had the first Zaskar in the UK, and the first RTS and the first LTS, luckily I didn't have the first thermoplastic sts or i might not be here now!!