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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: Jt on January 27, 2008, 10:35 AM
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thought it was turning into a healthy debate?
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Dunno, think Tony must have deleted it?
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you reckon? seems odd to start something, get it going with some good opinion/debate on it and then delete it ???
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tony deleted it
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ok then :yahoo_silent:
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I think it started going all over the place rather than the direction Tony intended and although a good debate was going it looked to me as though the point was being missed.
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It was deleted before i got a chance to read it ::)
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It was deleted before i got a chance to read it ::)
So who was the Bob_Acid who posted in it?? Spooky!! :2funny: Humps
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How was the bay today alan? nice weather for it.
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I deleted it because of the neg vibes.
I know Rad aint the moneyspinner some people think, but it is a great vehicle for publicity and done the right way we could have publicised Rad, helped a few kids on the way, and put a bit back into the sport we all love.
Dave sat where he had to, on the fence, no bad thing considering how this site goes sometimes.
I was pissed at the people who posted on the thread who did have the support that sponsorship gave them bitd.
Also those that couldnt even be bothered to chip a few quid in for rad for a site supporter tag.
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It was deleted before i got a chance to read it ::)
So who was the Bob_Acid who posted in it?? Spooky!! :2funny: Humps
then i had to go to work and missed all the twattedness that caused it to be deleted. it's a struggle ::)
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I missed it too.
Did people say they refused to pay for a site supporters tag?
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A fair few of the peeps who commented were not site supporters.
A lot of the negatives were from people who had good support BITD but seemed against the site offering support to people now, didn't make much sense :idiot2:
TBH having spoken to Billy about it yesterday i can see Rad's perspective on this, as others have said, there is generally a low take up on Rad's goodies sold, i think the last T shirt order got only 5 takers :shocked: generally peeps back the idea then dont cough up the dough and Rad and the owners have been left out of pocket in the past :(
My initial suggestion was to go down a corporate sponsorship route but as Billy said, it is not the way that Rad want to go which is fair enough.
At the end of the day there are a lot of people who back up a good idea but dont want to put there money where their mouth is i.e the supporter tag so i understand the owners p.o.v when they may be staring down the barrell of more financial loss :(
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that seems like a fair summary of the situation.
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It's probably the most disappointing aspect of RAD , the fact that T shirts etc sell so poorly when there has to be approx 100-150 regular users :( .
It's all about contribution & many are lacking in that department .
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Just an observation on the T Shirt front, why not start the design and ordering of them for MK 08 early, asap with payment in full, site ID on the back to allow peeps to decide and display "Money where ya mouth is" members..........................
No excuse then, no one should loose out if payment is made up front, longer lead in should allow a stronger take up and possibly greater buying power overall, just a thought
Shall I go back to my work laptop now :-[
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And if you factor in someone doing all the legwork ,paypal ,designs sorting out the mongy requests and bothering to spend hours and hours sorting it out ,amongst peoples normal life then to make 10 quid for the site make you a tad apathetic
Rich
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so going back to my thoughts..charge 10 a year for membership....lock out some of the site to none payers...get rid of some deadwood along the way and have some dosh for making rad bigger and better, getting Mk bigger and better and having funds to do other projects, one of which ratty has suggested which is a good one...there are others i'm sure..
t shirts shouldnt even be considered a money making scheme, as clearly, according to testemant here, it makes fook all, and is a ballache.
charging a tenner isnt being commercial, becuase you'll be giving it back tenfold by way a greater and more positive user envoirenment and a enhanced social calender....
just a thought ???
like i said on the original post, if someones not prepared to contribute a tenner, there not exactly in keeping with the spirit of RAD
jmho.
Jt
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so going back to my thoughts..charge 10 a year for membership....lock out some of the site to none payers...get rid of some deadwood along the way and have some dosh for making rad bigger and better, getting Mk bigger and better and having funds to do other projects, one of which ratty has suggested which is a good one...there are others i'm sure..
t shirts shouldnt even be considered a money making scheme, as clearly, according to testemant here, it makes fook all, and is a ballache.
charging a tenner isnt being commercial, becuase you'll be giving it back tenfold by way a greater and more positive user envoirenment and a enhanced social calender....
just a thought ???
like i said on the original post, if someones not prepared to contribute a tenner, there not exactly in keeping with the spirit of RAD
jmho.
Jt
I would back that, I paid for a site supporter icon...........the sales section should be in the paid part to stop people just using the site to sell stuff :knuppel2:
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Dont Vintage do a similer thing nowadays?
Their site REALLY slowed down after they started that (post count wise)
:) DINGO :)
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whats the deal with the site suporter icons? never read anything about buying them :-\ :-\ :-\
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I said it before, and will do again. Charging to access the site will stop new users dead in their tracks. I would not pay for a site I had never seen!!!
Perhaps the for sale section should have a charge attached to it, it seems the post popular part of the site these days :-\
After all, the sellers can always factor a couple of quid into the sale.
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tbh this is part of what we need "feedback" ,its you lot that will or wont pay if you see what i mean.
if rad implement things that members dont like its our butts that get fried and we only do it to raise funds
for shows...rad makes no money we get no money its all for everyone our its comes of the bosses pockets or our time.
the market place area might be something to look at but it will need looking into.dan
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given later posts, sections open to all, like tech and resto and alike, and membership payment for sale/trades/wanted forums would raise extra dosh necessary to further 'the cause'
5 quid/10 quid the figures were hypothetical..but give someone a taster of the site, and restrict the juicy stuff, like privilidged access to some of the greatest bits for sale today and i think you would bait peoples interest and open there wallets...
ebays a con, and populated by shillbidding shuffle munsterers,and non paying muppets.
win win for everyone.
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ebays a con, and populated by shillbidding shuffle munsterers,and non paying muppets.
Which is exactly what our site is becoming. Too many a$$holes that mess people about when buying.
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whats the deal with the site suporter icons? never read anything about buying them :-\ :-\ :-\
I wondered that too. What's with the "site supporters icon" ?? What is it?? Where is it?? Humps
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if you racing types got out of the racing section a little more often, you would see this.....
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=26596.0
lol
our paypal addy is radbmxfund@hotmail.com
Dave
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Thanks for the link Dave. You're quite right that we racing types never stray into the other sections of the site so miss out on such things. Have sent a contribution in. Humps
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I said it before, and will do again. Charging to access the site will stop new users dead in their tracks.
Good point, look he current trend of the free networking site against the paid version. Facebook v Friendsreunited is a great example.
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Dont Vintage do a similer thing nowadays?
Their site REALLY slowed down after they started that (post count wise)
DINGO
Take a look at the below figures from Alexa.com regarding Vintage - they had real growth until late 04 then it fell away...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d123/jonpaul11/graph.png)
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btw I forgot to say Alexa.com can be a wee bit hit and miss. I know that from comparing Alexa to webtrends I use in the office.
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How about free 6 months then a £10 a year fee after that?? Only prob would be new usernames/same users from an IP addy and aint got a clue how you fix that :idiot2:
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Anyway you can regulate what people can see on the site by date ?
Could be good to set the forum in a manner so only members can see posts from the last 28 days. That way new users of the site can see all posts from over a month ago to get a feel of whats going on but need to sign up to see what's new..........?
TBH £12 membership is fek all (£1 a month) and being able to look at older threads will give peeps an insight into what they get for the money. Obviously For Sale/Trade/Wanted should be off limits to anyone but members. I've noticed the odd 'For Sale' thread lately from people with a post count of 1 (which isn't a massive problem but would be worth RAD capitalising on it)
Just my two penneth :daumenhoch:.
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:) With regards to JT`s question-did seem like it was a healthy debate,but I can also understand Ratty`s POV.Stace`s comments on membership fees are also a valid point.I have been a RAD member for ages,and have only just made a donation.Maybe I`m a hypocrite but until recently I had never gave donation a thought,though I will try to do more when possible.I have been into BMX forever and thought I knew it all until i discovered this site!
PS Humps:With all due respect,I`m a racer and read all I can on here.BMX is BMX-all good.
James
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why should folk pay to leave threads just to have them deleted ? .If you start to charge for this site it will kill it and another free site will just start up .Try it ,charge for folks to come on it and see what happens .........I dare you >:D
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why should folk pay to leave threads just to have them deleted ? .If you start to charge for this site it will kill it and another free site will just start up .Try it ,charge for folks to come on it and see what happens .........I dare you >:D
Any better ideas for making the site some money ?
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craig i think its more to the point ,if members want meets to get better they cost money mko8
so who pays for it !!!!and how is it paid all for its not free.
giving ideas on how to raise funds might help ,it wil make it easier to do stuff. :daumenhoch:
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why should folk pay to leave threads just to have them deleted ? .If you start to charge for this site it will kill it and another free site will just start up .Try it ,charge for folks to come on it and see what happens .........I dare you >:D
Any better ideas for making the site some money ?
Do radbmx mugs .
I hear that alot of folk wont be going to another bash after the crimbo one .
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Mugs are always a good shout but there's not alot of profit in them !!
Shame to hear that about the Christmas Do ? I didn't make it but got the impression it was a good night??
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Mugs are always a good shout but there's not alot of profit in them !!
Shame to hear that about the Christmas Do ? I didn't make it but got the impression it was a good night??
Yeah it was a good night i was told .Some members had another opinion on how the night went of which i am not going to get into as i never went ....The mugs idea was a joke :daumenhoch:
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The mugs idea was a joke :daumenhoch:
It was a good one :LolLolLolLol:
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Mugs are always a good shout but there's not alot of profit in them !!
Shame to hear that about the Christmas Do ? I didn't make it but got the impression it was a good night??
Yeah it was a good night i was told .Some members had another opinion on how the night went of which i am not going to get into as i never went ....The mugs idea was a joke :daumenhoch:
hmmmm...tell more!
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NOPE :-X Call me if ya wanna know :-*
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Call you what ? :LolLolLolLol:
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The best thing about RAD used to be the lack of politics and the general positive vibe of people happy to have rediscovered BMX again or finding someone to share old memories with.
It's still a great site populated by lots of sound people, but the politics and negativity seems to be creeping in.
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This is a hard one to call, personally i wouldn't have a problem with paying to be a member....but i can see Craigs point too, i think it would kill the site. I also think there have been some good points regards members only being able to see the for sale section as seeing someone who's posted 1 post up just to sell something does kind of stick in the throat a little......but then again why shouldn't we as RAD members get the chance to buy those things instead of bidding for them on ebay?
I am going to ask a really stupid question now......but why does RAD need to make lots of money? if it is in need of funds to run the servers, or upgrade them, pay for hosting and maintanence or something then do a charity event where all proceeds go to RAD?
As for MK08, Well i would have no problem with being charged £5/£10 to camp over night? we discussed this amungst ourselves at MK07 and we all said the same thing....it's such a great event and Dave and others who (sorry for knowing all your names) who work so hard to make it happen deserve a lot of praise for setting it all up.
I personally think chatging for membership isn't the right way to go.........but the odd fund raising event wouldn't go a miss?? and everyone i spoke to about it would gladly pay to pitch there tent and camp for the night at this years MK :daumenhoch:
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This is a hard one to call, personally i wouldn't have a problem with paying to be a member....but i can see Craigs point too, i think it would kill the site. I also think there have been some good points regards members only being able to see the for sale section as seeing someone who's posted 1 post up just to sell something does kind of stick in the throat a little......but then again why shouldn't we as RAD members get the chance to buy those things instead of bidding for them on ebay?
I am going to ask a really stupid question now......but why does RAD need to make lots of money? if it is in need of funds to run the servers, or upgrade them, pay for hosting and maintanence or something then do a charity event where all proceeds go to RAD?
As for MK08, Well i would have no problem with being charged £5/£10 to camp over night? we discussed this amungst ourselves at MK07 and we all said the same thing....it's such a great event and Dave and others who (sorry for knowing all your names) who work so hard to make it happen deserve a lot of praise for setting it all up.
I personally think chatging for membership isn't the right way to go.........but the odd fund raising event wouldn't go a miss?? and everyone i spoke to about it would gladly pay to pitch there tent and camp for the night at this years MK :daumenhoch:
Ditto
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I agree about the site membership fees..That would virtually kill it off (as far as attracting new members is concerned,as Ratty said)
But in order to raise some well needed operating dosh,show cost funds ect,then how about a subscription service for the Marketplace part of the site?
Each member pays say,£10 per year and that gives them access to do all the trading they want. The rest of the site is free for new members to look around and contribute to,and they can still view the marketplace but if you want to sell/trade then you gotta subscribe.
As has been said, its prob the busiest part of the forum and 10 quid out of anyones proceeds for the whole year is well worth it..
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That seems a good idea
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I am going to ask a really stupid question now......but why does RAD need to make lots of money? if it is in need of funds to run the servers, or upgrade them, pay for hosting and maintanence or something then do a charity event where all proceeds go to RAD?
its not a stupid question
rad doesnt need to make lots of money, it does occasionly need to raise money for hosting/maintenance - last years site supporters donatation covered what it needed at that point
when we need money again for hosting/maintenance i am sure we will ask and lots of members will help out by another donation
as for needing money for milton keynes - meets etc - rad has always tried to do these things with minimal charge to its members, so if there is money in the kitty for all the things you need to put on something like milton keynes, eg. st johns ambulance, skips for rubbish, etc then rad can get away with not charging members for just coming along, where as if there is no money in the kitty, then charges will have to be put on people to camp over etc, to cover costs we incur, not to earn out of it
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I agree about the site membership fees..That would virtually kill it off (as far as attracting new members is concerned,as Ratty said)
But in order to raise some well needed operating dosh,show cost funds ect,then how about a subscription service for the Marketplace part of the site?
Each member pays say,£10 per year and that gives them access to do all the trading they want. The rest of the site is free for new members to look around and contribute to,and they can still view the marketplace but if you want to sell/trade then you gotta subscribe.
As has been said, its prob the busiest part of the forum and 10 quid out of anyones proceeds for the whole year is well worth it..
Got to agree here :daumenhoch:
Regarding camping at MK you need to do what they do at National Race events charge for camping and also charge the day trippers or Hotel'ers
for parking. Camping fees at national races are £20 and parking between £3 to £5.
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Any better ideas for making the site some money ?
Allow 3rd party ads on the site or join an affiliate network.
Lets face it, we all buy stuff that's not BMX related - helping this site could be as simple as clicking on a banner and buying something I would have bought anyway... or viewing an ad etc.
TradeDoubler here is an example:
http://www.tradedoubler.com/pan/cms/products/products_publishers (http://www.tradedoubler.com/pan/cms/products/products_publishers)
If you have any questions re this drop me a PM.
jon
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I said it before, and will do again. Charging to access the site will stop new users dead in their tracks. I would not pay for a site I had never seen!!!
Perhaps the for sale section should have a charge attached to it, it seems the post popular part of the site these days :-\
After all, the sellers can always factor a couple of quid into the sale.
Perhaps it can be worked so you can sample the site as a guest for free so they can see the site then charge a tenner to join, I would pay for sure.
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i really believe in the charge to access the site fully as i feel as many others do that the site has too many members as is and lot dick heads that abuse it too .if your willing to pay for the useage then you really want to be here and you will hopefully treat the site right .i wouldnt have problem with paying some sort of entry fee to mk08 also as this would be great fund raiser and hepofully make the event even better this year if thats possible .a tenner or fiver per person would raise 1000 quid or whatever but the cost to the revellers is not even 2 or 3 pints at the pub for full weekend entertainment.
paYING FOR THE SITE access WOULDNT RUIN IT IN MY VIEW JUST WEED OUT THE CRAP .
THERES MY TEN PENCE WORTH
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paYING FOR THE SITE access WOULDNT RUIN IT IN MY VIEW JUST WEED OUT THE CRAP .
THERES MY TEN PENCE WORTH
Agreed :daumenhoch:
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the rumour i heard was its going up for sale or the owners are just gonna shut it down as way to much grief :-X
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the rumour i heard was its going up for sale or the owners are just gonna shut it down as way to much grief :-X
Don`t worry that`s not the case, just Pete potato head having a laugh :police:
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How about free 6 months then a £10 a year fee after that?? Only prob would be new usernames/same users from an IP addy and aint got a clue how you fix that :idiot2:
I think that sounds sensible, we don't scare of new members but give them enough for them to want to join...............am sure its a nightmare IT wise but am sure do'able.........
Why not issue long service awards but you pay to recieve them, 1, 2,3 years etc and give longer members a restricted area, another snug of sorts ::) ???
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the rumour i heard was its going up for sale or the owners are just gonna shut it down as way to much grief :-X
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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sell/auction some SE BIKES
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sell/auction some SE BIKES
What would you know about SE Bikes, you`ve only just joined the site :knuppel2:
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sell/auction some SE BIKES
What would you know about SE Bikes, you`ve only just joined the site :knuppel2:
PMSL, one born or re-born everyday :LolLolLolLol:
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hi,i work for dc
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hi,i work for dc
Now Bill, thats not the way to treat a site sponsor >:D :shocked: :2funny:
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hi,i work for dc
Really, whats the address then, has it got 69 in it by any chance Mark :knuppel2:
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hi,i work for dc
Now Bill, thats not the way to treat a site sponsor >:D :shocked: :2funny:
Another googlemail email address, some consistency here.... :buck2:
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I'm glad I run a bike company, not a BMX website :crazy2:
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I'm glad I run a bike company, not a BMX website :crazy2:
i'm glad i run a painting company that paints bmx bikes and not a website ;D fook that shit,
far too complicated for me ;)
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i'm glad i run a bike shop and not a bike company, or a paintshop or a bmx website, in fact, fook it, i wish i didn't run anything!!! :LolLolLolLol:
Seriously though, i've been on here for what, six months? I've never paid anything but would gladly. Maybe there are a lot of guys that just need to know how it all works, so i'll pay some cash happily but i think if i'd have come on here six months ago and had to pay to be allowed 'in the gang', i might not be here now.
Anyway, you guys are doing a great job and this site is awesome, well done, pat yourselves on the backs.
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Agreed I just seen this thread and never considered the cost of running this site (how much is it just out of interest????). Therefore have just paid the £10. Can someone please explain how I can add the GIF's and stuff to my name so, that I'm more colourful, like everybody else.
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Hi Tommy, click on your profile button, then account related settings, you will see a signature box you can use as well as upload an avatar :daumenhoch:
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what about rad-bmx race jerseys
-black silver - white
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FACTORY RIDER
on them, maybe username
maybe milton ketnes 2008 on them
charge at least 100 quid each
-then every one feels connected, on the same team
you have some thing to wear come mk 2008 = you dont look ike some old ho=bo
pre bought 2 months in advance, would make you want to actually have a roll around the track wearing in
then have the donations bin for cheques at the track
charge a score entry
also it costs about 100 quid for 3 months, to have a avatar sized advert/banner click link thing - stick them in a line on the right hand column, sell the advert space to the bmx shops - they have a claim p anyhoots - advertising budgets, ten up there is 300 quid a month
the coffers are lined
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Hey, can anyone get in on this? I would be happy to kick in a donation. My only problem is a dirt clod in your first turn has more value than one of my dollars. :LolLolLolLol:
What's an old HOFer to do?
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but it seems that almost every BMX site out there has a rash of negative threads going on. I just can't seem to get away from them.
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^^^...for what its worth Dennis we'll gladly have your 19.8843 USD (=£10) when your ready ;D
Seriously though,i still say this. 10 quid subscription to the Marketplace per year.
Site Supporters get free access (for their 'donation')
That way its a no pressure kick up the arse for members old and new to contribute a few £££ to the day to day and event running costs of the site.
Come on. The majority of stuff shifted around the Sale/Trade/Wants sections is high value old school items and as i said earlier 10 quid out of a years worth of deals is nothing. We are not paying any listing or final value fees as at ebay,or advertising costs as per newspapers etc. Instant sales,almost instant payment,its nowt to throw a few bits of shrapnel back into the site. Thats why less than a week after being here i felt i should contribute in some way and when me PP tops up i'll gladly do it again.
Members who just browse the other sections and contribute threads,find out information about racing,resto etc still get it all free,so youre not scaring anyone existing off and not deterring new blood.
Dont be scared to do it RAD.
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I have to believe that it would not be too much of a burden for those of us who use this site to kick in few bucks when necessary for the purpose of keeping the site up and running.
I did the same when we started BMXA online. Greg called on a handful of us old timers and we all kicked in some to get it up and running.
It doesn't take a bunch of money from one person, just a little from the masses.
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you have some thing to wear come mk 2008 = you dont look ike some old ho=bo
steve, I remember you now from MK07. ;D
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I have to believe that it would not be too much of a burden for those of us who use this site to kick in few bucks when necessary for the purpose of keeping the site up and running.
I did the same when we started BMXA online. Greg called on a handful of us old timers and we all kicked in some to get it up and running.
It doesn't take a bunch of money from one person, just a little from the masses.
I paid to join BMXA online, I've only benn back a couple of times just to see if i could get in the chat room at the same time as Greg Hill!!!
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is the idea to help cash strapped kids get to race meetings ?
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Are we still banging on about this ;)
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is the idea to help cash strapped kids get to race meetings ?
The idea was to help kids who have a chance to do good who cant afford to make meets, support them a bit where we could and advertise rad for what it is, the best OS school in the world
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is the idea to help cash strapped kids get to race meetings ?
You are too clever for this site steve.
(http://www.virtual-shropshire.co.uk/photos/about_victorian_school_museum/06v13_4_DSC_0007.jpg)