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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Bigplinky on February 19, 2008, 10:33 PM
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Posted this in midschool but didn't get a reply so I'll try my luck here
Anybody tell me the year from this (PK0008)? or is there a seperate date stamp somewhere on them (it's a Pitbull model)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/DSC01789.jpg)
Cheers
Andy
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Needle in a haystack, Andy. I've seen so many conflicting facts all i can tell you is it's 90-95 although i've only seen proof of mass produced Bulldog frames from 92 and they changed to inch and an 8th in 94 but they did both head set types for a while so it could be later. ??? :idiot2:
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Thanks Bob forgot to add it's 1" headset.
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hi, the XL i used to have, had brake cable lugs on the down-tube (most models have them on the top-tube),and a hole for a brake behind the back wheel. Serial no. PK3060. Apparently, these are quite rare; from what I can find out, we're talking 1989 (but don't quote me on that!). Also, the rarest XL is the one with the straight tubes on the chain-stay.
Hope that is of some help. Can you post a picture of the full frame?
Cheers Russ
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The non-loop PK with straight chainstay would be a 85-86 model with a 19.5 " top tube
Way before the XL PK which was introduced in the early nineties (20.5 or 21")
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Mine was an 87 Pitbull brake, can't remember the serial, it was Bodamus's before me so he may remember :-[
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e177/LeePrice007/Ripper001.jpg)
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"Common knowledge" reckons these are 90-92 models, mr Banana
Are you sure of the year?
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The pitbull model was early nineties, I have the test from Ride when it came out plus the pitbull wasn't even out on 87 was it?
bananadude, i reckon that's an early 90s bike mate.
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Check out page two of the museum under Bodamus, he had the frame from the USA years ago and I think it was boxed and dated 87...........
I am only goin off his say so.........I don't have it anymore so couldn't check :-[
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It's interesting how many dates appear when you mention XL's and when they started production, I've got a few late 80's / early 90's mags I'm gonna have a look in those and see when they first get a mention.
Here is pic of full frame as requested it's a bit rough but sound under the shit powder coat job
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/DSC01787.jpg)
Thanks for the help guys :daumenhoch:
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I delved deep in Pk variants and did a post on it about a year or so ago i'll have a look if i can find it
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Mine was an 87 Pitbull brake, can't remember the serial, it was Bodamus's before me so he may remember :-[
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e177/LeePrice007/Ripper001.jpg)
thats the same as the one i had 1987 the first of the non looptail.(maybe)
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It's interesting how many dates appear when you mention XL's and when they started production, I've got a few late 80's / early 90's mags I'm gonna have a look in those and see when they first get a mention.
Here is pic of full frame as requested it's a bit rough but sound under the shit powder coat job
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/DSC01787.jpg)
Thanks for the help guys :daumenhoch:
yep 1987 its a good un.
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I delved deep in Pk variants and did a post on it about a year or so ago i'll have a look if i can find it
Thanks for that post Bob, this summed up some "common knowledge" I was referring to :daumenhoch:
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thats the same as the one i had 1987 the first of the non looptail.(maybe)
I dont know much about PKs, but from reading some of the stuff General Lee has written about his frames, I think the first non loop tailed frame was the "straight stay" one, which had ..... well .... straight chainstays. I guess there was a problem with crank clearance on the straight stay ones, so they then changed to the curved chainstay like that one.
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I think the confusion here is when SE started to offer the XL version the basic design of the frame in standard length was definately out by 87 but that would have the standard Pro top tube length of 19.5" the question is did they offer the XL version at the same time or did this come later
Hope you find that thread Bob it should become a sticky
Thanks for the input all :daumenhoch:
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Heres mine:-
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/aaa026.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/aaa028.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/aaa029.jpg)
needs some work on the drop outs but I would love to know what year it is???
:) DINGO :)
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Here you go, it was two years ago...
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=11932.msg132969#msg132969
Mark yours is the same model as Andys and is the variant which is hardest to nail down because of all the conflicting rumours.
I've since learned from Scott that they did indeed make XL PK's in Asia.
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OK I've been doing abit of digging through BMX Plus and come up with the following
The launch of the Pitbull brake August 1988
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/scans/Pitbull.jpg)
Frame test from September 89. This shows no hole behind the bottom bracket for a Pitbull and doesn't list a XL varient of the frame.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/scans/Ripper1.jpg)
Frame round up from June 91. This lists no XL varient of the frame and also the frame shown has no cable guides on the front triangle down tube which would make me guess it also has no Pitbull mount
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/scans/Ripper2.jpg)
Had a look through my 92 mags (but unfortunatally have a big gap in them in the middle to the end of the year) and noticed the following April 92 no shops list a PK Ripper XL frame for sale. The next mag I have is December 92 and in this the XL is now listed for sale so I can only guess at the following: the Pitbull mount and XL varient appeared at the same time in Mid 92.
Anybody with mid 92 BMX Plus get looking through them for a launch article
Cheers
Andy
Bob get that sticky made :daumenhoch:
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Interesting thread Andy ... I'll find out the frame # on my NOS Ripper F+F. I'll be keen to know the year of this one too :-\
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a217/steve167690/PK%20Ripper/PKRipper640x480.jpg)
Steve
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XL is about 1990 ish... so the story goes ;)
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got 2 of these one with pitbull the other with pitbull and canti with brake bridge which i am in process of buildin up.it is gonna be a rider lookin 2 run a newskool seat and post anyone know of a post 2 fit any help appreciated ps dingo been seein your rides on vintage 4 a few years now and every one dialed
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What's your frame number Dingo?
Keep the info coming lads :daumenhoch:
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Good stuff lads. I'll rewrite that guide :daumenhoch:
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Good stuff Bigplinky, thanks for posting old mags :daumenhoch:
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Ok dudes,
having been Se obsessed, esp mids chool for many years now, here's what I understand to be the timeline - the straight stay pk ripper with the integrated seatclamp was 1985 for one year only. Imn 86 they introduced the curvy chainstays and thats the way it stayed until 1991 - and in 1991 they introced the Pitbull mount pk ripper in two sizes - I have both sizes still - one with a 20.5" pro tobtube, one with a 21" pro XL toptube.
There is a grey area around 1990 when they may have introced a 20.5 or 21" toptube curvy chainstay pk ripper with regular caliper mount, just before the pitbull mount ripper came out in 91. The pitbull ripper hung around until about 1994 when the frame went from 1" to 1.1/8" and they added canti mounts on the rear.
Around this time of 94/95 SE were doing small numbers of frames with weird combinations of headtubes/brake mounts as they were using up old stock I guess and bridging the gap between 1" and oversized and from caliper to cantilever - so dont be surprised if you find a 1" headtube bike with canti mounts, or a 1.1/8" headtube pk with pitbull mounts.
i myself had a pitbull mount pk ripper that had a very strange headtube - it was essentially an oversize 1.1/8" headtube that had a shim inside it to reduce it down to a 1" headtube fitting, and this was a factory frame - not second hand botch. very interesting!
In 95 ish onwards they had the pkr ipper xl and the pro length until 1997/8 when Se went overseas with some of their frame production , but before it was sold to Fuji Bicycles and became the Se we know today.
The Pro XL pk riipper was stil produced in 1999 in asia, and you can tell these from the serial numbers - I have one here - they basically had their floval tubesets and designs replicated out in asia - so the frames look identical to the us made ones from a year or so before. The Asian pk ripper from 1999 had the larghe SE downtube decals, and normall one or two serial numbers - one is on the top of the bb shell [as if youre looking down when riding, itd be on your left or right on top of the bb shell] and normally started with the letters IS [possibly for International Standard whcich the US bb was then] and then some numbers.
Other models also had a serial number on the underneath of the bb shell too, but not all.
Hope ive helped!
steve
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This is like a 86, 87 I think , you tell me
but was made especially for Carlo Griggs in a one off colour
a bit like a DYNOROD Fluorescent orange :D
he told me he got it in 1989/90
but look no cable guides ( and I had this stripped , no signs of ever having them removed )
no hole in the bottom seattube for pitbull
basically same as a straightstay 85 but 86 onward stays :-\ just caliper brake
Luckily I found out the history of this bike , back to original owner Carlo , or else I'd have never sussed it out :shocked:
There's some real random ones , over the years, Mr Wilson has pointed out :)
Mine looks like the one in the black and white magazine page posted by Bigplinky
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/pksid.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/u24/hunterdubber/SS850098-1.jpg)
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Steve you are the SE man thanks for posting :daumenhoch:
Just measured the top tube on mine and I recon it is the 20.5" version Pro not the XL
Hunter I'm liking that Ripper looks classy in black and chrome
Note 13/03/2010 the TT length of a Ripper XL is 20.75" and mine is an XL ;D