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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: adam01 on April 28, 2008, 07:12 PM
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just want to know all your comments on the old to the new
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quest-que ce?
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oldschool by far hate hate new!
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new school, it evolved from old school, via mid school.
but more importantly what will the next era be called?
old school for posing, new school for playing. :daumenhoch: (just my opinion)
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old schoo defo, for colours and looks, new schoo all look the same, UGLY!
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new school, it evolved from old school, via mid school.
but more importantly what will the next era be called?
old school for posing, new school for playing. :daumenhoch: (just my opinion)
my thoughts exactly
get voting
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better still, 'RETRO', for posing and playing :smitten:
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I used to love the old school look but now I think new school looks better due to modern design.But if Tuff II's were as light, rigid and strong as a new wheel I would have a set on my GT asap. :) I now just appreciate old school for what it was bitd.
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what a bout mix and match old with new IE: old scool frame and folks with new school parts
AD
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old skool for me chrome and annodised parts
although the new skool is getting better
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OS of course, but new is ok, :daumenhoch:
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O/S for me, some very classy builds, new school (sorry no offense) all look a bit samey with no character... although SE and GHP do look the nuts ;)
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O/S for me, some very classy builds, new school (sorry no offense) all look a bit samey with no character... although SE and GHP do look the nuts ;)
Bikes are for riding, not looking at. Collect old bikes by all means but ride them (well most, incase if you have uber collectable highly shite build quality rareties) , its what they were intended for :daumenhoch:
For riding I can say both O/S and new, as I ride both :daumenhoch:
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get voting :-\
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OLD SKOOL ALL DAY FOR ME!
I cannot stand the look of new skool bikes. All look the same!
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I love Old School for the memories.
I love Mid School for the bit I missed.
I love New School for the purity of design & function.
It's all BMX. It's all great.
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OLD SKOOL ALL DAY FOR ME!
I cannot stand the look of new skool bikes. All look the same!
i guess this kind of post is always going to get the same old responses....but i thought exactly the same way as above but that was until i got a NS ride and actually learnt to love them!
no one will argue that OS was where it all started and the bikes (not all of them) look gorgeous with diferent lines and querky frame styles and we all love those..........but if you actually look (and i mean really look) at the quality new school bikes they are all very diferent in very small ways, yes they pretty much all share the same geometry but this is because it is now just right and been honed over many years. take the Old Fools for instance......you look at the pictures from that weekender and tell me that those new school bikes don't look great!
take my proper for instance.....it's a raw frame and has red annodised stem and chainwheel (sprocket) white seat, bars and brakes.......so this 'all new school bikes are the same' is rubbish in my oppinion.
:daumenhoch:
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take the Old Fools for instance......you look at the pictures from that weekender and tell me that those new school bikes don't look great!
yeah but the best looking one has a tuff II up front. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
(I'm a convert to new school too....but feel i need a mid school as well so I can have a Burner, mid school and my Fly)
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i love the O/S bikes, its where i started,
i cant help but look at the O/S bikes in the same light as old ,collectable toys,
nice to look at, but not serious bikes :daumenhoch:
i actually feel a bit sorry for the muppet's still chanting out the same old "N/S bikes are boring and all look the same"
ffs are you fooking thick or what?
they only look the same because you dont have a clue what you're looking at :LolLolLolLol:
if anything i'm a bigger fan of the mid-school :daumenhoch:
it was a great time, we'd gotten rid of all the hangers-on, posers and fooktards, it was just about having a good time ;)
i just love bmx tbh ;)
"hate" the new-school? :LolLolLolLol:
fook off out of BMX, you've no place in it :daumenhoch:
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Sensitive as always Joe. ;)
I gotta agree to the points though. There are some beautiful new school bikes and, most of all, new school parts - and to ride they are leagues ahead of where we were BITD. For me, I love the simplicity of the lines on new school - three decades of honing the perfect geometry result in something very pure, functional, strong and ultimately very beautiful.
But, everyone is entilled to their opinion - I didn't like new school when I first got back into the sport, as I was used to old school. But once I did get into it, I never turned back and you soon see the differences between the bikes.
I suspect that new school bmx'ers looking back at the old bikes think they all look the same - all pads, gay colours and numberplates. But they are great to us because we lived and breathed them.
Hey, oh. Horses for courses. It's all bmx, love it.
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i know i shoot from the hip a bit sometimes :-[
its the level of resentment towards the new-school on this forum thats always appalled me,
i get the feeling from some of the members on here that they are essentially jealous of the young riders and latest styles,
like it pisses them off seeing people still riding and enjoying what they themselves no longer have the courage or ability to do,
its actually very sad isnt it? like some old guy sat there grumbling about "how things used to be"
lets be totally honest here eh? saying that one era of bikes looks better than another is a complete fooking nonsense really isnt it?
a red bike then is a red bike now,
a pair off wheels then is a pair of wheels now,
etc,etc,
ffs the whole reason we love these little bikes is that the have TWENTY INCH WHEELS!!!
so whats changed? even the fooking "double-diamond" frame design is still there!
its all the same bag of bones anyway!
fair enpough if you like to sit reminiscing and w@nking off over some over-priced kiddies toys but ffs at least have the boll0cks to get out and enjoy riding a proper bike :daumenhoch:
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i was totally old school, but much prefer mid school, great lookin bikes and well ridable, new school doesnt do it for me as riding of the older bikes is why i do this, but each to their own
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I think the problem ,is that most nuschool bikes these days get there paint removed, the seat slamed, so they start to look the same, BUT, they arnt, i love my nuschool bike, and cant afford the OS bikes these days, plus i wont a bike i can ride and enjoy, its all bmx ,old mid ,and new, i know this is a OS site, but opinions are opinions, if anything bikes have improved alot, as tricks are much more abusive these days, its all evolution, mid freestyle bikes got heavy and over built, to take the bag of tricks of the time, now there much lighter, but still strong, so all is good, i love the low saddle low slung look of today, but i set my bike up as i like it, plus for how i use it, :daumenhoch: this subject always courses rucks, i dont know why, we all love bmx, final :4_17_5:
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i love the O/S bikes, its where i started,
i cant help but look at the O/S bikes in the same light as old ,collectable toys,
nice to look at, but not serious bikes :daumenhoch:
i actually feel a bit sorry for the muppet's still chanting out the same old "N/S bikes are boring and all look the same"
ffs are you fooking thick or what?
they only look the same because you dont have a clue what you're looking at :LolLolLolLol:
if anything i'm a bigger fan of the mid-school :daumenhoch:
it was a great time, we'd gotten rid of all the hangers-on, posers and fooktards, it was just about having a good time ;)
i just love bmx tbh ;)
"hate" the new-school? :LolLolLolLol:
fook off out of BMX, you've no place in it :daumenhoch:
Quoted for truth :daumenhoch:
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its the level of resentment towards the new-school on this forum thats always appalled me,
I think this is a minority Joe - a great deal of members on this site are active riders and appreciate all things BMX.
fair enpough if you like to sit reminiscing and w@nking off over some over-priced kiddies toys but ffs at least have the boll0cks to get out and enjoy riding a proper bike :daumenhoch:
As you know mate, I've recently had to give up riding all together due to health problems - the same as many other people on here. So, there may well be hidden reasons as to why people don't ride - so don't judge too hard. But when I did ride, it was new-school all the way.
But, now I look to restoration and collection as part of staying in the sport. So, it's a good job I can still wank, eh?
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The original question was "what's the best looking", which is an impossible question to answer anyway. Like saying what's the best looking car or best looking bird.
There are good looking bikes from every era of BMX, but if I could only have one BMX bike, I would choose a new school bike, cos as well as looking good, it will be better made, better finished and better to ride than any old school bike.
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Like saying what's the best looking car or best looking bird.
that's easy: Mrs Madall :daumenhoch:
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i agree with joey :-\
its all bikes and whatever you enjoy more personally , be it a £2000+ imaculate " build " that rarely leaves the house or a collection of parts found by the river , at the end of the day it doesnt matter what they look like
sure its great that these old bikes are getting saved so we can look back on an actual piece instead of only having a pic but it would be a shame not to ride them . at one point i had my ammaco lined up next to my ( at the time ) state of the art black bike . they both looked ace in completely different ways . the black bike felt like an extention of myself wheras the ammaco felt twitchy doing anything other than sitting down cruising the seafront 8)
i gave up riding a couple of years ago , i got sick of all the shit talk involved with bmx , once id moved i had no interest at all . until i saw the local kids riding , they didnt care about whos bike looked better or who had the newest stuff they were only interested in riding . thats what brought me back , the purity of riding :)
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Yep it's BMX and it's all good :smitten: :daumenhoch:
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how about we settle this once and for all?
if the "haters/boring/ugly" brigade can show me an O/S bike that they've built themselves thats better looking and built than one of my N/S-M/S bikes,
i will stand corrected :daumenhoch:
until then.......
they can "jog-on" :LolLolLolLol:
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why dont we have a poll.
get your bike up joe.
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bit strong Joe....i don't think because someone decides to collect the OS stuff, it makes them boring or ugly....
if we take this back to the original question in hand, which was what do you think looks better? then we'll just leave it that you prefer the look of new school.....and leave it at that.
lets not start any attacks just because someone disagrees with ya :daumenhoch:
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bit strong Joe....i don't think because someone decides to collect the OS stuff, it makes them boring or ugly....
if we take this back to the original question in hand, which was what do you think looks better? then we'll just leave it that you prefer the look of new school.....and leave it at that.
lets not start any attacks just because someone disagrees with ya :daumenhoch:
the "hate/ugly/boring" bit was quotes from other "anti N/S" posts in this thread mate :daumenhoch:
i love em all dude :2funny:
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i love you joseph , in a purely manly hardy pat you on the back kind of way though :yahoo_silent:
you stand by your opinions no matter how unpopular they might be even if it means fighting an entire internet community ;D :-*
thats the kid of pasion that often lacks
you only see the names given to these bikes if you stopped riding for a length of time , for those that have ridden consistently from the 80s will only see it as an evolution due to changing popularitys and different necesities over the years
its rare that i see a bike i dont like
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Cool Joe :daumenhoch:
now post up pictures of your bike so we can all rip it to shreds! ;) ;D
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its rare that i see a bike i dont like
youve not been in my shed then.
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I can only think that anyone that describes all NS bikes as ugly and boring has not seen a gold S&M LTF in the flesh.
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lets have a pic of the shed :P
ive been at most ends of the bmx scale
ive been the kid who had a rough as a baddgers nadgers bike cobbled together with cast off parts and conversely ive been the first in a 20 mle radius to own a bike with an integrated headset , £400 rear wheel and not a blemish sen by the naked eye
ive also been the guy who kids look upto because i dont chat shite and just shred but ive also spent many a time sat criticising petty things like somene logo on a tyre not matching up with the valve to down right ridicule state
im lucky enough to have ridden for nearly a decade and a half so i know that things like style and fasion come and go , it ultimately doesnt mtter what the bike looks like , i wont spend a day berating someone because their cable isnt " era correct"
this is all just banter on what is just a simple matter of personal opinion , dont take anything to heart . its no different to piss taking while riding , the only difference here is we are sat behind a keyboard and cant ride off the silly comment by mates
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lets have a pic of the shed :P
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb121/beckyboo222/bike021.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb121/beckyboo222/db1-1.jpg)
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thats a messy shed :shocked:
how many times have you dropped a bearing in there ?
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thats a messy shed :shocked:
how many times have you dropped a bearing in there ?
you should see my 2 sheds perry :shocked: :LolLolLolLol:
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i can see another topic coming on " whos keeps their bikes in a shed like this "
but the way you say it zed makes me picture " 2 sheds " as a comical character like that guy 2 hats in the goldie looking chain ;D
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it'd be easy to go for the jewel-like standard 125 i just put together, its as bright as fook and sparkles in the sunlight like a thing of splendidness,
so i'll put up my N/S bike and explain why...
if anything this forum built this bike,
the frame is a 1-off full custom,put together and organized by 3 of the best riders from the last 15 years,
i'd never spoke to alex before i joined the forum and during the shit-storm that ensued when i joined he and a few others were the ones who made light of it and persuaded me to stay,
last year al asked ian morris (legend) about the possibility of getting a custom frame built, he in turn asked chris moeller (s&m ceo/legend) and it got the green light :2funny:
4 weeks later and many,many emails back and forth and my frame arrived in a clean white box with a big fook off s&m shield on it,
it got named the xl-laf,
its basically a loooong "21.5tt light-as-fook frame with a few tweaks,
the 75 degree HT angle gives an effective "21.75tt :shocked:
for my "lanky" (dingo) '6"3 frame,
i asked moeller for the frame to just be welded-up and left "as-is" , i wanted to see the welders work, the colours that come with the heat of the welder, its not meant to be a flash/pretty posers bike, its a badass-tough-as-fook mans bike,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_5772.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_5775.jpg)
2nd cable guide on down tube to do away with the need for a zip-tie,
welders marker pen still there,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6276.jpg)
chain stay brake fitment, the through seat tube routing gives the best pull-angle for the brake,
the brake placement keeps the brake near to the chainwheel/crank assembly and is tidier,cleaner
cranks are profile with ti spindle-full ti bolt kit,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6255.jpg)
engraved shield head tube :smitten:
stem is a hybrid of an s&m redneck xlt and an s&m race xlt, £120 stem? :-\
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6254.jpg)
frame details, heat colouring, tube spec details, welder palm and thumb prints make this a one-of-a-kind,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6275.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6277.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6278.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6274.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6272.jpg)
forks are s&m xlt pitch, an evolution straight from the mid-school,
the s&m slim seat was actually a birthday gift from a family member,
bars are a whopping "8.25 s&m grand slams to match the am-trac length frame
the rear wheel is a profile 36 ss cassette that was originally destined for one of the 40brothers but my cc got in the way!
one of the VERY first cassette hubs to run a 9t micro drive gearing, ti axle and nuts, spoke are marwi titanium flown in from the usa, rim is a sun bfr from 8 years ago and with a little fettle is still going strong,laced up by my mate and amazing trails rider, chads,
the brake is a hand stripped and polished fly with heatsink pads and onza chill pill straddle hanger
lever is an odyssey (mid school designed) trigger with ti bolts,ltd edition chrome with odi brake neck
front wheel is a rare chris king bmx race hub with ti bolts, double butted spokes and sun rhyno lite rim
s&m pedals,bar-ends,bb kit,seat clamp and grips,
thomson seatpost was from mcnulty and is like "3 long :-\
dirtbike sticker by del :daumenhoch:
using as many s&m parts as possible it matches up ok,
"its like what a mid-school HOLMES would be if they carried on makng it, with a few steroids thrown in"
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6257.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6251.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6252.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6268.jpg)
serial number is a 1-off 21502
and built up by a rider that never stopped riding, right from the O/S to the M/S and now into the N/S ;)
its seen ownage of the biggest bmx forums on the net, nothing comes close in terms of dedication and detail,
it genuinely is the best bike in the world,
because its mine and i ride it :daumenhoch:
this,
this is just a BORING,
grey,
wall,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_6285.jpg)
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Joe, you rule. I love that bike, and I love how much you love it. :4_17_5:
I also lol'ed at the blank wall.
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i can feel the curtains of the neighours twitching right now " hes at that bloody wall again " ;D
nicely in proportion that :daumenhoch: most frames ive seen over 21" just look stretched
so ts bare meal then ?
but most shocking of all "and i ride it " :shocked: ;D :P
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Sweet bike Joe.
8)
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I like that wall, it's nice.
but your bike is f***ing awesome...I think some juice leaked whilst I was looking at your bike. :-[
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Joe that look like a pile of old w@nk!
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Joe that look like a pile of old w@nk!
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surely you mean "new" w@nk?
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i nearly bought 2 new 25th aniversarry burners,but a person i spoke to put me off when he said "there shi7" just a copy and not the same,then another raleigh dealer told me they had seen the new tuff burner and it wasn't as good as a original, that made me think Raleigh are going to spoil the values of the old ones by re doing them all again.
the thing with a old school bike that was born and killed off in the 80's never to be seen again is the exclusivity of it all.
it scares me to buy somthing mongoose or gt and find out its not old at all.
i remember seeing dayglo pink or green firebirds and skyway streetbeats in the 80's and thinking they are well cool and i still do.
when i am waiting for my nipper outside school and a ankle biter comes past on his new school ride, i always think
f##k me 80's bikes look better, and seem better made too
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i always think
f##k me 80's bikes look better, and seem better made too
Looks are subjective so no argument there, but if you think 80's bikes are better made than today's bikes you need to take off those rose tinted specs.
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i have seen the welding on some new branded bmx's and its not a patch on my old dp, some of these tiwanezze bikes look ready to break
:D
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At the end of the day we build these bikes as we wont them, i love OS , but can only have one bike at the mo, no room or fundage, so i built my nuschool as i wanted it, back in 2000 i saw a dk general lee, i loved it, i enede up with a haro 540 thing , it was ok, i then got a second hand shredder, and then a dk 6pack, none of these bikes cost a bomb, but its about passion for riding and bmx, thats what it all about, lets face it i built my bike for reasons that are mina alone, im sure not many people like it, mainly because i havnt followed the whole nuschool look, im never going to do a tailwhip, so no giro/no brakes, i like sitting in my saddle plus i use it going around berms etc, bmx'a are as indervidual as you make them, and most are, i think mine is, pads aswell :LolLolLolLol:
paul
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m279/zed2000/bits256.jpg)
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i'd have to say that i like all types of bmx os, ns and ms. they are all rad! but they all have their qualities!
+ loving that s&m thats lush!!
zak
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i have seen the welding on some new branded bmx's and its not a patch on my old dp, some of these tiwanezze bikes look ready to break
:D
When I read stupid/unfounded comments like this I completely understand why Joe goes off on one from time to time.
Which bikes are you on about? Examples? It's one thing to say you like the look of OS bikes more than NS bikes, but if you're gonna claim a DP is better quality you need to back it up.
Sure, there were quality bikes in the 80s (not sure Burners or DPs were among them though), but today's bikes beat them hands down on quality of tubing, welding, heat treating processes and geometry.
I love to see restored OS bikes as much as anyone. But I live/ride for now, not in the past.
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I think that some people get the impression that NS bikes look ugly from the fact that a lot of the ones they'll see will be black/grey/unpainted, destickered and often looking a bit tatty whereas the OS ones they're seeing are the lovingly restored and polished ones on here combined with their age clouded memories. Thing is the NS bikes are still being ridden (hard in many cases) and riders seem more concerned with how their tricks look than how their bikes are. We seem to forget that for all the nice shiney bikes we saw bitd there were many more that were a bit run down/patched together etc etc (hell I know funds meant that several of mine were). If you wanted to build an NS bike just to look good I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult, hopefully my new one will stand as an example of this, but if I could trade it's looks for the ability to go big and pull off some stylish airs, I think I would.
As to the quality of NS bikes compared to OS, I'm not sure there is a comparison. OK, there were some nicely built OS bikes (JMC, TAs etc) but there was also a lot of crap (Burners, Halfords Turbos, Iron Horse). Technology has given us improved materials and heat treating, experience has refined geometry and given us things such as dropouts that aren't the thickness of a coke can. I'm not sure I could see an OS frame surviving a lot of what is pulled or attempted on NS bikes.
So while I'll still race an OS bike and I will build my 82-83 GT Nora cup, still be pleased to see some nice OS machines being ridden, most of my riding now will be on a NS bike - it'll just be a pretty one.
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then another raleigh dealer told me they had seen the new tuff burner and it wasn't as good as a original,
Now that would be some feat. I dont think its posible to make a new bike WORSE than the first burners :LolLolLolLol:
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i like new school best.
loved my old bikes (torker 280xl best) but i love the feel of the new school more
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Love the builds that peeps do...........but its not for me! Its all about the riding. :daumenhoch:
Er, ugly, boring........nah dont think so.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/o154/Sean2000_photos/Chromeoption4.jpg)
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Sean. :daumenhoch:
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If you look at the average new school bike, then they won't look as good as they will have been thrashed.
The old school bikes you look at now are all built to preceison and look immaculate.
The old school frames had a lot more individuality. You can look at an old school pic and almost instantly tell what frame is being used.
However I love the look of Sean's Proper. I think it looks as good as most old school bikes. It is probably one of the best looking new school bikes I've seen. Jim Wise also had a really nice looking new school.
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I like the look of just about all bmx bikes. The old bikes are definately more distinctive from manufacturer to manufacturer. Example, you could see the difference between a burner and a performer, a haro and a streetbeat and just about any other bike made in the 80's while driving by at 80mph. The colors, anodized parts, pad sets and number plates customized each ride and made them unique to each rider. I love old school bikes.
I can't really comment on mid-school because I missed all of the 90's and 3/4 of 2000's.
While I can understand the point of view that new school frames all look the same, like Joe delicately put it, you probably don't know what you are looking at. I would have never known that Joes bike is a one of a kind, but really I don't look that close. I have seen a lot of absolutely stunning new bikes, Joe's and Sean 2000's bikes are good examples. In my "opinion" new school bikes look just as good as any era, but as far as riding, there is no comparison, new school rules hands down.
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Most people know that I aint a rider from BITD...therfore I'm (almost) unbiased...
Well I've got OS bikes (84's TA and master) they look great, brakes are shit but there's something about them that just calls to me...
Mid school, I've got a 95 Group1 Ci and it seems to be rather nice...though I havent finished it yet ::)
New school, Well I used to be one of those biased people of Joes...and I guess there was a period that my experience of NS was just kids riding past on black bikes which didnt seem to have an identity as such. given more time I found that a ns custom is the way to go for me, then I can get exactly what I want. NS manufacturers (and this is not a flame) are now producing the sort of colourways that I would want. Arguably I have already tried NS in the form of 06 sports and retro rippers...they ride well though I have a feeling that I could have got better for my money (shhhh!)
One day in the not too distant future I may well either buy myself a complete ns or build a custom...
Though I have to say there's still times when I look at a ns bike with a huge price tag and think...er where's the money gone, its just me and I'm a bit too old to change totally ok!
Ray.
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i have seen the welding on some new branded bmx's and its not a patch on my old dp, some of these tiwanezze bikes look ready to break
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When I read stupid/unfounded comments like this I completely understand why Joe goes off on one from time to time.
Which bikes are you on about? Examples? It's one thing to say you like the look of OS bikes more than NS bikes, but if you're gonna claim a DP is better quality you need to back it up.
Sure, there were quality bikes in the 80s (not sure Burners or DPs were among them though), but today's bikes beat them hands down on quality of tubing, welding, heat treating processes and geometry.
I love to see restored OS bikes as much as anyone. But I live/ride for now, not in the past.
up yours saying stupid comments
i have a recent mongoose and its not my cup of tea at all, i would rather have my old mongoose from the 80's than this one
it cost new was over 500 dollars,and was i was told "it aint no wal mart bike" well it is and i'm surprised toys r us don't sell them too.
my old DP is way better made than this pile of crap mongoose taiwan wish it was.
it has a sticker on it saying designed in usa and made in taiwan, it should have stayed in taiwan too.
there just one comparison for you.
another is the new 25th aniversary team burner isn't as good as the one my brother owns from bitd.
i am glad i never bought them and the fact i know of people making new ones like the 80's one tells me somthin
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Sure, there were quality bikes in the 80s (not sure Burners or DPs were among them though),
thats got to be the stupidest thing i ever read about bmx's ever.
somebody tell andy ruffell his bike was a munter
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Sure, there were quality bikes in the 80s (not sure Burners or DPs were among them though),
thats got to be the stupidest thing i ever read about bmx's ever.
somebody tell andy ruffell his bike was a munter
It is a surprise that it was the pay check that made Ruffle ride a Raleigh, not the frame quality. And if he was anything like some of the other guys on the "Burner" team, he didnt even ride a Raleigh. Some of them used repainted Skyway TAs.
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i new people who painted up bikes to look like a team pro because they couldn't afford a team pro.
i have inspected my bruvs 86 team pro and the competition tange frame and forks are very well made
i think its a insult on old bmx'ers to say burners were not quality.
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i have seen the welding on some new branded bmx's and its not a patch on my old dp, some of these tiwanezze bikes look ready to break
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When I read stupid/unfounded comments like this I completely understand why Joe goes off on one from time to time.
Which bikes are you on about? Examples? It's one thing to say you like the look of OS bikes more than NS bikes, but if you're gonna claim a DP is better quality you need to back it up.
Sure, there were quality bikes in the 80s (not sure Burners or DPs were among them though), but today's bikes beat them hands down on quality of tubing, welding, heat treating processes and geometry.
I love to see restored OS bikes as much as anyone. But I live/ride for now, not in the past.
up yours saying stupid comments
i have a recent mongoose and its not my cup of tea at all, i would rather have my old mongoose from the 80's than this one
it cost new was over 500 dollars,and i was told "it aint no wal mart bike" well it is and i'm surprised toys r us don't sell them too.
my old DP is way better made than this pile of crap mongoose taiwan wish it was.
it has a sticker on it saying designed in usa and made in taiwan, it should have stayed in taiwan too.
there just one comparison for you.
another is the new 25th aniversary team burner isn't as good as the one my brother owns from bitd.
i am glad i never bought them and the fact i know of people making new ones like the 80's one tells me somthin
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double post
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i think its a insult on old bmx'ers to say burners were not quality.
Burners were not quality* .... There. I said it.
(*some less so than others)
I doubt even Beard and Julian would be insulted by that.
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your basing new bikes on the purchase of a mongoose :shocked:
that wasnt well thought out eh :2funny:
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$500?? That's £250 in real money. How can you buy a bike like that and make a judgement on all new school bikes??
My frame alone nearly retails at the price and a lot of riders here have frames that cost more.
Get yourself a decent bike then tell us how badly you think new school bikes are.
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Cozzy, if you love your Burners and DPs, cool, each to their own. But to call them "quality" is a big stretch of the imagination (at best, they were average budget bikes).
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hiya mike,long time no see bro!
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Can someone post a photo of the BB welds on the mk1 burners (not the pro). They are a total treat! :LolLolLolLol:
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Can someone post a photo of the BB welds on the mk1 burners (not the pro). They are a total treat! :LolLolLolLol:
They were welded? I thought they hammered the down tube flat and glued it in place.
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Can someone post a photo of the BB welds on the mk1 burners (not the pro). They are a total treat! :LolLolLolLol:
They were welded? I thought they hammered the down tube flat and glued it in place.
Thats the ones. I think they were "welded" by glueing them together with some hot metal. Or maybe it was just the paint that held the tubes in place
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the mongoose i have isn't a recent buy and would not compare to 250 quid
hows the vote looking btw
and why don't team pros count... arn't they burners anymore , ooh theres some touchy people about.
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hows the vote looking btw
The poll/vote asks what the best looking is - OS or NS. Nobody's denying some OS rides look fantastic.
Quailty's a separate issue entirely. You're not gonna convince any of us that actually ride new school bikes that a DP or a Burner is better quality.
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i think the o/s bikes look nicer as each had there own identity n look !!!!! well some did ???
but i have to say n/s are far more tecnical they nearly all look the same becuse it s what works n provides the best strenght n makes them able to take the hard use that some of the n/s riders dish to em without breakin
its clear that they have evolved from some of the o/s bikes :daumenhoch:but its all bmx so who cares