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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Weeksy on June 10, 2008, 06:03 AM
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Hi dudes,
Prob slow off the mark here, but have you seen profile is remaking the old box cranks :smitten:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g48/Scott900ss/Profilecranks.jpg)
What years were these made from / to?
I've ordered a set for my Group 1 build, but I think they may be too early for that?
Cheers
Weeksy
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very cheap at 135 i think...and well documented on here already..
these are re runs of the gen 2 box crank i think..the gen 1 had no indent for the sticker and were truly box like in there shape...
these are also very limited in number , with the number of the set printed on the inside of the crank arm.
Identical to originals apparently..
my set are on order too.
where you ordered yours from?
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Thought so dude, but thought I would stick a pic up anyway!
Ahh, they are gen 2 eh? What years were these made from fella?
1000 sets fella, 500 accounted for already I am told
Ordered them direct, Charlie at Profile is a bloody hepful chap.
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these are re runs of the gen 2 box crank i think..the gen 1 had no indent for the sticker and were truly box like in there shape...
I think these are Gen 1 re-runs but I could be wrong. There is all kinds of debate about early profile cranks. Some even conclude that there is even a Gen 1.5.
As far as I know, the Gen 1s were like above, the Gen 2s look much closer to current profiles, but still with the sticker indent, and the Gen 3s were as current, with engraved arms (either "GT" or "Profle").
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up the debate!
have some gen 1 profile's on my DY. no indent.
gen 2 on my vdc, indent.
i agree about there being versions after the gen1, but i thought the gen 1 were the super square no indent cranks.
see JMC
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q204/jonathonsturner/Image000-2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q204/jonathonsturner/DSC01244.jpg)
see vdc
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q204/jonathonsturner/DSC01299.jpg)
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H Alex,
Can you give approx dates for the gen 1 (1.5) 2 an 3 please dude?!
cHEERS DUDE
wEEKSY
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up the debate!
have some gen 1 profile's on my DY. no indent.
gen 2 on my vdc, indent.
Haha, My knowlage of 80s stuff, esp early 80s is very thin. My mistake.
I have got 2 sets of early profiles, one more boxey than the other but they both have got sticker indents. I guess they are Gen 2 and Gen 3s.
Can you give approx dates for the gen 1 (1.5) 2 an 3 please dude?!
All I can tell you is that they were before the 90s, and that is all I really know about.
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Alex,
Have you got pics buddy?
Thanks
Weeksy
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Have you got pics buddy?
Here you go:
My "earlier" Profiles- Very flat sides, right down to the pedel end. Sticker indent.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/ProfileBox2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/ProfileBox1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/ProfileBox3.jpg)
My "later" Profiles- Very close to the shape of the GT stamped ones, but these have the sticker indent
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/Profileround2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/Profileround1.jpg)
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Nice pics dude, thanks very much fella.
The ones i posted the pic of must be the 1.5 gen, full wrap, with the sticker indent?
What do you think?
Weeksy
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All profiles are "full wrap"? Its just a style of late 90s Redline 401s that werent full wrap.
I guess the new ones are just Gen2. Very box shaped with with the indent.
Mine must be Gen 2 and Gen 3, unless there were any others in there as well.
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Compare the pedal wrap of yours to the repros.. the repro's wrap right round like your earlier ones...
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Weeksy, answers are there :
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=594
I would add a 2.5 generation (the later Alex ones)
His earlier cranks are Gen 2, the ones reissued this summer.
Yes, who am I to correct the guys at Profile ?? :LolLolLolLol:
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Yep, nice guys at Profile, last year I went to the states on holiday, before I went I contacted the asking them if they had a retail store. They replied saying no store, but if I contacted them when I was there, they could give me atour of the factory :daumenhoch:
Unlucky for me my wife had other plans for our time there :'(
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Gary,
I bet you were gutted!!
So close, but yet so far!
How nice is that tho, offering you a tour of the factory....
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Weeksy, answers are there :
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=594
I would add a 2.5 generation (the later Alex ones)
His earlier cranks are Gen 2, the ones reissued this summer.
Yes, who am I to correct the guys at Profile ?? :LolLolLolLol:
I read that a while ago and thought at the time there was one missing (the later set that I have got)
So it looks like:
Gen 1 - Made from a folding a flat sheet into box section, no sticker indent
Gen 2 - The same as Gen 1 but with a sticker indent
Gen 3 - Made from a tube, but still quite box shaped, with sticker indent
Gen 4 and beyond - Rounder tube, engraved arm.
OK, who is going to Email Profile and put them straight ;D
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This is a useful thread as well ;) .
http://www.os-bmx.com/forums/index.php'showtopic=16708&hl=hutch+cranks
Basically it comes down to whether peeps count the Hutch/Profile ( non indent ) as 1st Gen Profile cranks or not :) ( some do some don't it seems ) .
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Profile do. They even said that their "Gen 1" were the same as the hutch cranks.
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Profile do. They even said that their "Gen 1" were the same as the hutch cranks.
I know Alex ! ;D
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So profile put someone elses name on their cranks a few times. (Hutch with Gen 1s, and GT with Gen 4s).
That is such a cop out for a company to put their name on something someone else made, and is also selling. Why bother?
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Alex,
So are the reproduced ones gen 2 or 3?!
What have I started here?!
Thanks
Weeksy
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Gen 2 I think (or Gen 1 if you only count non sticker indent as Hutch ones, like some people seem to).
I think I read that they are making the new ones using the actual tooling, using the same stock thickness sheet, and in the exact same way. Pretty cool really.
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=690
"The cranksets will be made on our original 1979 tooling."
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Gen 2 I think (or Gen 1 if you only count non sticker indent as Hutch ones, like some people seem to).
I think I read that they are making the new ones using the actual tooling, using the same stock thickness sheet, and in the exact same way. Pretty cool really.
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=690
"The cranksets will be made on our original 1979 tooling."
You see even Profile don't know what they're on about ! lol . The square boxy ones were 80-81 they say not 79.
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Gen 2 I think (or Gen 1 if you only count non sticker indent as Hutch ones, like some people seem to).
I think I read that they are making the new ones using the actual tooling, using the same stock thickness sheet, and in the exact same way. Pretty cool really.
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=690
"The cranksets will be made on our original 1979 tooling."
You see even Profile don't know what they're on about ! lol . The square boxy ones were 80-81 they say not 79.
Yeah, but although we have already exposed mistakes in their website, they could well have got the tooling, and some of the very first protypes made in 1979. ???
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Gen 2 I think (or Gen 1 if you only count non sticker indent as Hutch ones, like some people seem to).
I think I read that they are making the new ones using the actual tooling, using the same stock thickness sheet, and in the exact same way. Pretty cool really.
http://www.profileracing.com/news_full.php?id=690
"The cranksets will be made on our original 1979 tooling."
You see even Profile don't know what they're on about ! lol . The square boxy ones were 80-81 they say not 79.
Yeah, but although we have already exposed mistakes in their website, they could well have got the tooling, and some of the very first protypes made in 1979. ???
Only joking Alex , it's just that it seems the makers can't get all versions in the pic/order that were available :LolLolLolLol:
I'm guessing 79 tooling was non indent , repros are indent .
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My head's going to pop, info overload!
Either way, hoping they will look sweet on my Group 1!
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Either way, hoping they will look sweet on my Group 1!
Group 1? These cranks are a bit early for that aint they ??? :LolLolLolLol:
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I think so, by a couple of years at least.
Not too tragic tho are they?
Was looking at some new profiles, but they wouldn't be right!
Too old or too new, can't win can I?!
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Wrong for wrong, get the cheaper ones !!!
Which Group1 are you building? They all came with OPC BITD except the RS1
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Love the old ones tho, they are closest year wise!!
An RS1, and we've been here before, you won't sell me any of your hoards of Group 1 3pc cranks!! :'(
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Pistol Pete used to run Flights instead of the Haro cranks, could look cool aswell and historically pertinent..
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Agreed, look spot on, but not up to Profile quality tho fella...
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Nothing at all wrong with early (full wrap, single pinch) 401s :daumenhoch:
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Agreed, nothing wrong at all, except the price :'(
Profile it has to be, and if their os cranks pre date by bike, then so be it, close enough I think...
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Alex,
So are the reproduced ones gen 2 or 3?!
What have I started here?!
Thanks
Weeksy
in case i've missed something..gen 1's are the big fat and sexy non indent ones....the first indented ones they did ( the REAL gen 2) are the ones that have been re run...so early eighties.
???
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Just learned something new! Thankyou RAD!
I had a set of those GT 3pc on my Badlander when it got nicked - traded with Caratti for some video work mid 90's! - brilliant cranks, but I never knew they were Profiles!
Guess that makes my mind up on my new cranks then....
Brand new Profiles w/Ti axle here I come....!
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Agreed, nothing wrong at all, except the price :'(
Profile it has to be, and if their os cranks pre date by bike, then so be it, close enough I think...
Full wrap 401's are on ebay.com regularly for £150.00 and less . Ship here for £10-£15 then re-chrome for approx £15 ;)
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i personally would rather stick some of them repopped profiles on than go to the time and trouble of fooking about with cranks from the us...pay em, ship em, rechrome em..etc...whoole load of fooking about when these profiles are the same as the original gen 2...
i can see why people dont want twin pinch redlines as they are current model items..and you can clearly see that when they are on a bike..but the profiles look jus the same...( so you get the right look for the right price!)
originals are best for purism, and there's now worng with that either, but budgets are budgets and if you can get the look you want for the price you want, then you should.
happy days. :D
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In 1994 I bought a set of Profiles which were much moe rounded in shape, although still quite similar to today's ones, but they had no engraving at all, completely blank apart from a small '180' stamped on the back of each arm. What issue were they then? ???
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In 1994 I bought a set of Profiles which were much moe rounded in shape, although still quite similar to today's ones, but they had no engraving at all, completely blank apart from a small '180' stamped on the back of each arm. What issue were they then? ???
I've got a day off from Gen/Issue judgements :LolLolLolLol: .
But non stamped like those are v-cool mid school cranks ;)
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In 1994 I bought a set of Profiles which were much moe rounded in shape, although still quite similar to today's ones, but they had no engraving at all, completely blank apart from a small '180' stamped on the back of each arm. What issue were they then? ???
The classic 90's ones then :LolLolLolLol:
No matter if they can't get there gen n#, they look cool !
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i personally would rather stick some of them repopped profiles on than go to the time and trouble of fooking about with cranks from the us...pay em, ship em, rechrome em..etc...whoole load of fooking about when these profiles are the same as the original gen 2...
i can see why people dont want twin pinch redlines as they are current model items..and you can clearly see that when they are on a bike..but the profiles look jus the same...( so you get the right look for the right price!)
originals are best for purism, and there's now worng with that either, but budgets are budgets and if you can get the look you want for the price you want, then you should.
happy days. :D
With you 100% JT, want to get them new out of the box, no messing and throw them on!
The Profiles offer os look, new and for sensible money - can't go wrong can i?!
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OK so we now know the history of the box cranks.
When did Profile introduce the more rounded race cranks? I like the look of them but looking at the Profile site it just says they've been around for years.
Anybody know?
P.
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OK so we now know the history of the box cranks.
When did Profile introduce the more rounded race cranks? I like the look of them but looking at the Profile site it just says they've been around for years.
Anybody know?
P.
Alex might know the answer to this , I finished racing in 87 so not sure TBH .
These are the more rounded non stamped , late 80's/early 90's ? ( I think the ones Kenny was referring to )
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v201/Mattdub/Profileunstampedlate80searly90sperh.jpg)