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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Nosnod on January 06, 2006, 01:32 PM
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I was interested in this GT Performer as I had one BITD but something doesn't quite add up (Apologies if it's someones on here!)
1) Didn't think Performers came out until 1983 or 1984
2) The picture of the frame shows what looks like brake cable guides under the bottom tube. My 84 Performer that I had BITD definitely did not have brake cable guides and I didn't think they started putting them on until 85/86 ish and then a bit later they put them on the forks.
I think it may be a later frame with early forks.
Any ideas or have I got it wrong?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7209739418&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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Think they came out in April 84 and it is a later frame (rear with earlier forks. Although my Performer (which I bought new in late 84) has a guide on the rear of the forks, so they didn't run them for long before the fork guide was added see.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v636/Jazzchimp/100_1633.jpg)
Note no brake bridge behind the bb.
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The GT performer with the centrepull brake behind the bottom bracket and cable guides came out in 1987 and were made in Taiwan.
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What mine or his?
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Now your message looks out of place JazzChimp :D ;)
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What mine or yours?
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Both!
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mmm I thought so.
Mine was bought Nov 84 and definitely had no cable guides on the frame or forks, and no brake ridge behind the BB.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b389/nosnod/GTPerformer.jpg)
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I have contacted the seller with the correct year information. Lets see what he says (if anything).
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Yeah so have I!
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Agreed. All early frames also only had 3 holes on the rear drop outs, and the seat stays are in the middle of the top tube (not level with the top) as my June 84 version shows. Oh, and the serial number is on the drop outs and not on the BB - the one on ebay is definately far east and late 85/6.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/GT011.jpg)
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the one on the bay is still a nice set though
despite the misinformation
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the one on the bay is still a nice set though
despite the misinformation
Absolutely! Just don't pay Santa Ana money for it... :)
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Can you date a performer by the frame number like you can the race frames??
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Can you date a performer by the frame number like you can the race frames??
Yep. On the early ones the first 3/4 digits were the month and then the year...but once production went to the far east they went non-year specific, so it's a little more difficult.
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Thats some dodgey powder coating. Check out the "snotters" on the Rear drop outs. :o Ad
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Looks as though someone upset him. Have a look at the description on the item now.
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:o ;D :rant: Ad :2funny:
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oh dear.
is he a member on here ?.
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oh good, an excuse to post a pic of mine! :)
This is a Feb 84 one, the earliest I know of and that is the original chrome/stickers...
Sweet huh! :smitten:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v614/retrogeezer1/CopyofPerformer21.jpg)
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That's sweet :coolsmiley:
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Now that is the sweetest GT Performer F+F I have even seen retrogeezer
I've been thinking about building me a Fiola replica for some time and thought I had found my next project when that Yellow Performer turned up on the bay. . . then I looked closer :(
Still . . . . . all good things come to those who wait I suppose !!!
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they seem to appearing quite regulary now, picked up a april 84 the other week for £40 thanks to radhab giving the nod
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That is beautiful retrogeezer.
One of the best bikes BITD in my opinion
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Hi there its me and my Frameset you are all slagging off, I was not a member but someone kindly put me onto this site.If Ihad known about this place before then all would be OK.
I must admit what some people have said about me in here and in questions via e-bay is a bit much but I feel as though I must appologise about the listing. I have now realised its a pile of scrap and will skip it right away. :D
Whats funny is you all doubted I would answer you and then when I did what I considerded the correct thing in removing it, I was also castigated as havng a rant. Sometimes you just cant do the right thing.
Seriously what is it ? I had 2 GT Performer framesets and when I had them powder coated I am beginning to wonder if they put the older frame with the newer forks and vice versa. I never really checked before because they were both wrapped in bubble wrap and they were different colours. If they did someone got a bargain cos I only listed the other as a 87-88 Performer and it only brought about 80 quid. I was going to build both bikes but I am emigrating and have to sell loads of stuff. I sold my coaster skyways and flight cranks before christmas it was a sad day. The stems on my other auction are off the bikes also so that may help with the dating?
I will cut the drips off before I list it again, ;D The coating is excellent BTW. It is very hard to coat tubes and get a consistent finish apparently the man in the place told me.
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Good on ya for coming on here, I hope it wasn`t any one on this site that slagged the listing off :(
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Had I known about this place I might not have sold all my stuff but its to late now ...
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Hey Hasbeen your a good sport for popping on. Don't take offence at anything people say on here it's just the regular diesection and detective work that goes on here all the time. It's all very tongue in cheek. ;)
Looks like you may have swapped the forks over as that is defo the later frame with the earlier forks. Looks a great ride though - no excuse now you've found the site, you've got to build it up and get to the Bones meet!!! :)
Oh and it's never too late - you'll just have to buy all that stuff back!! :D
Oh and retro - that is possibly the sweetest PP I have ever seen (apart from mine of course) ;) So why is it not built up?? I think I see a potential Bike of the year 2006 winner!!
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Jazz, it'll get built this year...just putting a few bits together for it and I'll probably have to rob some bits off another bike too!
It'll never win tho', I like to keep bikes 'as found' as much as possible - I like all the original decals and stuff on them (within reason)
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I'm with Jazzchimp on that one Retro . . . my vote is on your Performer already . . . ::)
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retrogeezer, the frame looks as sweet as a nut matey but are those the correct forks?
i thought not.
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Good on ya for coming on here, I hope it wasn`t any one on this site that slagged the listing off :(
Ye matey billy is right your obviously an honest seller 8) ps i would be scraping my powder i would just amend the year as unknown in your listing as the serial number may not be on the bb casing it may be on the rear dropout so why waste your fresh powder ??? still dude hope you get a good price as it still looks nice :)
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Yep fair play to you mate for coming on, looks like the frames were switched over. Thanks for your ebay reply, hope you get a good price for it as there are probably a lot of people who are after those forks alone!
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I will probably part it out. The forks are OK as are the bars. I am a bit fed up with the powder coaters now as I had saved the best one for me and I had it done yellow!
I will not build it as its not the real Mccoy....
Got a new schooler in the cellar but I have not ridden for 2 years after I recked my knee for the 3rd time in my life. Just aout getting itchy pedal fet again so I think the best way is to get rid of the lot and be able to walk past 40.
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Have a look in the Videos section and you can see some of us who ride at 40, not that well but we do enjoy ourselves :idiot2:
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Bill's right - as that song says 'Nothing's gonna stop us now'
Who was that... Jefferson Starship???
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Just 'Starship' :daumenhoch:
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retrogeezer, the frame looks as sweet as a nut matey but are those the correct forks?
i thought not.
Wirewheel,
The frame & forks were supplied like that....my guess is that it's because it's a VERY early one and they were not producing the freestyle fork at that stage.
The rear dropouts also have an extra 'F' stamped on them, race dropouts earmarked for a freestyle frame?
Performers were not on sale until April/may have 84 so this must have been sent over for promo photos or something.
Also, Fiola often rode is performer with these race forks coz he preferred them.
S
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Jazz, retro and Stodgy
Just so I know for future as I am looking to buy one later this year are all your serial# on the rear dropouts and what form do they take (all numbers, some letters etc?)
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The serial number on the early ones (Santa Ana built)Â is located on the rear drop out and will be something like '6841121'; where the first 1 or 2 numbers are the month (6), the second two the year (84) and then the next four are the run number. When the production moved from Santa Ana to Huntington Beach in 85 and then later to the far east the serial number convention changed and moved to the bottom bracket.
Again on the the early ones, there should also be 'F' or 'FS' stamped on the drop out (slightly away from the serial number). As Retrogeezer states, this is so the welders could tell the difference between a race and a freestyle dropout. The drop outs started out with 3 holes in the rear and 4 on the forks. This changed to four both ends in 85.
The sloping stop on the top tube should have 'GT' and '4130' stamped on the end. However, the first batch/prototypes were unstamped.
Remember to check the position of the seat stays on the top tube. 84 they were in the middle, 85 they moved up level with the top edge of the top tube...
Freestyle forks were supplied from the first run, however some people prefered race forks (again as Retrogeezer points out) as they were lighter. So many may have left the shops with swapped out forks. As Retrogeezer says, Eddie Fiola perfered this combo, and as such is an accepted configuration.
Below is a really early GT ad from Jan/Feb 84...you can see all the details (including the un-stamped sloping stop and a lovely spelling of Eddie Fiola!):
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/gt010.jpg)
Hope that wasn't too anal! ;) :)
Have fun!
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wow - cool, the definitive GT performer guide :)
Cheers for posting that Ad - I love the sloping top tube 'for style'!! ;D
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I love the sloping top tube 'for style'!! ;D
;D And my god, the eighties were oh so stylish! :D ;)
Pete (Quadrophenia) knows much more than I do, particularily about the 85-90 period, so perhaps he can add to the story? Pete?
In fact, he owns most of the bikes manufactured by GT between 85-90!!! ;D
:)
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pants
i know feck all ask moose hes ya freestyle man, and i only got 2 gt's
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pants
i know feck all ask moose hes ya freestyle man, and i only got 2 gt's
;D ::)
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yeah thats a cool enough explanation, i always loved gt stuff back in the day a riding bud i had, had a pro peformer in 84 i think he still has it aswell complete dont know what state its in tho i'm trying to get in touch with him it's definiteley one for a resto job. his brothers ta got nicked tho