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Title: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: jimmyp on January 12, 2006, 02:05 PM: See we have alot of burner fans on the site, me i'm more of a mongoose fan. The big question is WHOSE BETTER :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: sadowdgit on January 12, 2006, 02:06 PM: Mongoose!
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Post by: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 02:08 PM: Mongoose!
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Post by: ORB on January 12, 2006, 02:09 PM: goose
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: sadowdgit on January 12, 2006, 02:10 PM: three nil three nil threeee niiiil ;D
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: oberonspacefruit on January 12, 2006, 02:12 PM: burner
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 02:14 PM: but is a moosegoose better than an aero pro?
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: R Palmer on January 12, 2006, 02:15 PM: Raleigh.

I had a fear of Mongooses when i was younger, anyone who i knew who rode a mongoose was either a nerd or an only child and spoilt, so a mongoose was an evil and crap bike in my eyes.

:idiot2: :idiot2:

Rich.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: scary_leary on January 12, 2006, 02:15 PM: Quote from: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 02:14 PM
but is a moosegoose better than an aero pro?

pro class is.

mongoose for me.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: maghubs on January 12, 2006, 02:35 PM: MONGOOSE!
i ditched my Grifter for a goose in 78.... that is because i was fed up hitting my NADS :'( everytime between 1st and 3rd gear!!!! and if that was enough catching them on that stupid foam seat were half had got wet,rotted and then fell off, leaving a nice step their.
Never got another Raleigh anything.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 02:52 PM: Mongoose, Raleigh Team Aero Pro's are nice (did I just admit that?), but does it beat this:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/kdwpc10.jpg)

I think not.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: mantadave on January 12, 2006, 03:08 PM: there is no comparisson mongoose all the way i never heard any one saying they wanted a raleigh burner :2funny: :2funny:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stuey on January 12, 2006, 03:45 PM: define better.. technically I'd have to say the mongoose.. as a bike which opened up bmxing at a reasonable for all in the uk-burners.... both have their merits but as a personal (emotional?) choice I'd go with burners because thats what I remember about bmx's from my childhood when it came to bmx'ing
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: ORB on January 12, 2006, 03:47 PM: thats a fair comment, and one that i make often, but they are still shite.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 03:52 PM: mongooses have usable (even today) geometry

a friend of mine regularly rides his 84 cali on ramps.
my 82 mongoose 2 is a good shape and size too.

they were just well designed
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: retrorider.u.k on January 12, 2006, 03:56 PM: aero pro was a quality product albeit a tange and parts bin one.the standard shite geometry burners brought bmx to families on a budget and therefore raleigh made a mint.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 04:01 PM: the dirtburner ironhorses and "petrol station" bikes brought bmx to families on a budget

how much were burners anyway?

how much was a super burner? or an ultra? or tuff or mag . . . .
they weren't that cheap.

the appeal was that "raleigh" was a trusted (by parents) brand.
and it was the parents that had to fork out for them.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: ORB on January 12, 2006, 04:04 PM: wonder how many of the members of the burner site lusted after a burner for Xmas 83?

I would guess that most were hassling mum and dad for a Kuwi, Goose or TA and were gutted when santa bunged a lump of blue scaffolding under the tree...
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 12, 2006, 04:11 PM: i would have loved a super tuff burner
but they were too expensive

i had some POS called a "BMX Superstar"

cost about 60 quid. i really liked it though. it was a "bmx"

all raleigh did for bmx was flex their marketing prowess and get their bikes into all the shops at the right time.
perhaps if every kid who had a burner, instead had a Halfords Turbo or a Team Murray bike they wouldnt have chucked the towel in and quit riding BMX within 3 years.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Nosnod on January 12, 2006, 04:23 PM: BITD I would have said Raleigh as one of my early race bikes in 83 (I think) was the chrome & blue Pro Burner which was a very underestimated bike and I used to think that the Mongooses were very Americanised at the time.

These days it would be Mongoose as they are absolute classics and look superb when they restored especially the early motomags and of course the Pro Class
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: mantadave on January 12, 2006, 04:38 PM: people who bought burners did not no much about bmx you could have got a goose for the same price raleigh were ripping kids off crap geomertry and crap bits they made one good bike out of about ten mongoose are best buy far no your
roots :2gunsfiring_v1:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Mattskybeat on January 12, 2006, 05:27 PM: Its gotta be the burner, they were the most popular bikes in the uk ;)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v697/mattskybeat/2.jpg)

Dont be silly!! no burner even comes close to that, its true burners have a place in bmx history but to compare them to a high end goose is plain stupid ;D
dont get me wrong some of the burners i see on here are really nice, but when you take everything into account such as strenght, geomitory etc the goose is in a different league. :rant:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: kdw712 on January 12, 2006, 05:32 PM: gotta be mongoose
pretty much the daddy of BMX - well till late 80's at least

Raleigh took too long to join the BMX party
and even longer to get a good raceable bike to the market

:knuppel2: mongoose rulesÂ :knuppel2:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v603/kdw712/mauricemongoose.gif)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Rombloke on January 12, 2006, 06:05 PM: unquestionablly geese are better than burners.

lets be honest...i know a lot of you guys love burners from the emotional side of things, but the majority of raliegh bmx's were a pretty unusable bike with cooky geometry and bubble gum welds(the exception being the tange built frame and fork set, which makes them non burners really).
raliegh introduced the burner into the bmx market late in the uk, i mean what year was the first burner launched, 1982.
i got my first bmx in '79, a murray, which was turd, but when the burner came out, most of us who had been riding since '79/'80 saw it as a bit of a catalogue bike. SORRY.
feck im gonna take some shit for this post!!!!
mongoose, in my mind are the pioneers of bmx, along with se, redline, kuwie etc....how can you even ask the question which is better, you are talking about a company that refused to give up on the grifter, claiming bmx was just a fad, all they did was market the burner well and aimmed it at the younger rider at budget prices. but as i say there are exceptions, the tange made frame sets, but compared to the heritage that mongoose have there is no contest

did i say that i think mongoose are better.....lol

ready.......INCOMING

Dave
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Flake on January 12, 2006, 06:40 PM: Mongoose for me. Every kid by mine had a burner me as well but that don't make them good, but given the option we all wanted to ride our Friend's goose. BITD I didn't get the catalogue out and dream of buying a burner I drooled over the Geese and Ta's in BMX action bike :smitten: But to be fair they do deserve there place in British BMX history.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: rad dad on January 12, 2006, 06:41 PM: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:

Raliegh my arse, the only good thing about raliegh is they are british (and thats open to debate), while they were churning unrideable joke bikes like choppers, and tomahawks and such like out in the late 70s mongoose were nailing these beasts together, the welds on my 78 motomag outshine the ones on my american built trickstar, nuff said.

RALIEGH SUCK IM SORRY :2gunsfiring_v1:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y52/suedehead_1/Picture115.jpg)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: danny silverstreak on January 12, 2006, 06:44 PM: Quote from: stidds on January 12, 2006, 02:52 PM
Mongoose, Raleigh Team Aero Pro's are nice (did I just admit that?), but does it beat this:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/kdwpc10.jpg)

I think not.

stidds how do you do that stand up alone think , no stand , no brick etccccccccc :-\
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Rombloke on January 12, 2006, 06:47 PM: pint glass under the pedal you novice....

lol

Dave
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: danny silverstreak on January 12, 2006, 06:50 PM: hey dave are you taking the p1ss???

lmao

is that how its done FFS :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Rombloke on January 12, 2006, 06:58 PM: no im not taking the piss...you can see it...look carefully...

that now make you a pro novice

Dave
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: silentpartner on January 12, 2006, 06:59 PM: just to mix it up a bit. what's your stance on ammoco's, an english goose? (not sure), and no dearer than burners BITD. racing bikes or not? :P
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 07:18 PM: No that is really the secret to the bike standing up Danny. Glass under the pedal, you can see the secret better on this picture of my Pro-Lite.

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/prolite6.jpg)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: ORB on January 12, 2006, 07:24 PM: just had to get the CC out did'nt you Sean.

:(
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 07:27 PM: I wondered if you would pick up on that ORB, nothing wrong with seeing it again is there? She will be coming to Sheffield with me in March also, with a bloody big lock and chain attached!!!!
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: sawzall on January 12, 2006, 07:56 PM: gooses win hands down for me have owned them for the last 25 years :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: danny silverstreak on January 12, 2006, 08:01 PM: pint glass LMAO , i thought people airbrushed the stands out or someone on a ladder was holding em up with string :wtf:

IM A :Aresehole: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 08:05 PM: :LolLolLolLol: at Danny.

I bet that you will be using that trick soon on your bikes Danny.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: beard1973 on January 12, 2006, 09:35 PM: Bike of the year 2005 was...... 8) Oh yes.... I remember.... :-X
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: danny silverstreak on January 12, 2006, 09:42 PM: i tell ya stidds im not joking thats a top of trick , i like that :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: davemac1974 on January 12, 2006, 10:20 PM: I know alot of you guys don't like Burners (and some do), but to compare it with Mongoose and get people to vote...jesus, they obviously have no chance. :LolLolLolLol:

The obvious appeal of the Burner, which has been stated before by many people, is that its a memory of your childhood. I never rode competitively (I was only 5 in 79 ;D), and as I had "no name" bike, I wanted a Burner like alot of my mates (I dare say my no name bike was just as good technically as the Burners anyway!!!).

PS. Beard is right though...what was the bike of the year??? :4_17_5:

PPS. In answer to ORB's question: "wonder how many of the members of the burner site lusted after a burner for Xmas 83?
" ...I would have settled for a Diamond Back to be honest! ;D
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 10:35 PM: Although I like Burners and Julians bike deservedly won Bike of the Year, I would say that was mostly due to it being a beautiful looking bike.

Have another competition that was based on build quality, rarity, style and desirability and it would be a completely different result. Now I am not saying for 1 minute that a Mongoose would win, but I am sure people would vote for a VDC Changa, JMC Darryl Young, Hutch Pro Star etc over a Pro Burner.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: davemac1974 on January 12, 2006, 11:19 PM: I don't disagree Stidds. ;)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 12, 2006, 11:20 PM: :LolLolLolLol: Don't know why I was arguing, I love Julians Pro Burner.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Rombloke on January 12, 2006, 11:26 PM: stidds...you burner lover!!!!

lol

Dave
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: ORB on January 12, 2006, 11:27 PM: Dont like these comps as a rule because they are normally won by a hutch or some other shit..

Was gonna enter my badlander and win on pure rarity alone.

but decided to not bother as radman needed a shot at something
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: davemac1974 on January 12, 2006, 11:35 PM: You're a welcome new member of the Burner forum anyway Stidds ;)

Have you sorted yourself out with one yet??? ::)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: jT Racing on January 12, 2006, 11:41 PM: a burner was my dads choice, he had the cash, no tuffs the cheap git! I got one now too though, just a fond memory, and i was chuffed as fook when i got it. All red and yellow and heavy. I put gold dx pedals on it, funny to see which one is worth somthing after many years.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 13, 2006, 12:06 AM: Quote from: Rom Bloke on January 12, 2006, 11:26 PM
stidds...you burner lover!!!!

I must be getting mellow in my old age Dave, times were that I would say "Raleigh? Burner" in a shocked Peter Kaye "Garlic? Bread?" stylee. But times have changed and I am getting all retro. I will be buying a Capri soon :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: beard1973 on January 13, 2006, 12:32 AM: Quote from: stidds on January 12, 2006, 10:35 PM
Although I like Burners and Julians bike deservedly won Bike of the Year, I would say that was mostly due to it being a beautiful looking bike.

Have another competition that was based on build quality, rarity, style and desirability and it would be a completely different result. Now I am not saying for 1 minute that a Mongoose would win, but I am sure people would vote for a VDC Changa, JMC Darryl Young, Hutch Pro Star etc over a Pro Burner.

Julians Pro Burner ticks all those box's....
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Coastvl on January 13, 2006, 12:28 PM: Down here in Australia you got laughed at if you rode a Raleigh. Seriously.
Nuff said. Mine since 81.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v108/coastvl/bike%20bits/bikes040.jpg)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 13, 2006, 12:38 PM: cant get enough of that super' coastvl.
old school classic but still good enough for medern day riding
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Rombloke on January 13, 2006, 04:46 PM: that goose rules and i still want the haro plate....lol

Dave
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: julian taff on January 13, 2006, 09:21 PM: Quote from: stidds on January 12, 2006, 02:52 PM
Mongoose, Raleigh Team Aero Pro's are nice (did I just admit that?), but does it beat this:

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v518/stidds/kdwpc10.jpg)

I think not.

That is a beautiful bike you have, but this is just as nice except it has burner on it.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/juliantaff/DSCN0032.jpg)

I have too say i LOVE mongoose bikes, They are beautiful bikes. more so than a lot of higher spec bikes.I know if i start collecting them, that will be it-i will want them all !!
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 13, 2006, 09:34 PM: that burner is dope
why couldnt the regular burners been just steel versions of that!
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: stidds on January 14, 2006, 03:03 AM: Julian, I will never argue with your Burner colletion mate, thanks to you I am in the process of a Team Aero Pro build. :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: boogaloo-tramp on January 14, 2006, 12:28 PM: Well I love both. My first bmx was a super burner, and I loved it to bits. It was bought for me by my great uncle after my grifter got nicked. At the time, I knew nothing of bmx, I had never even seen an american bike at that point. It wasn't until some time later that I saw more expensive bmx's around, that I began to realise my bike wasn't that great. But I loved it all the same, and set out to improve the components, and make it lighter. I got some robinson expert bars, which cost a whopping £15, and some secondhand araya 7x's for it. I did used to lust after the bikes in the mags though, and get jealous of the local spoilt rich kids, whose parents bought them anything they cried for, bombing around on their mongooses, diamond backs, and pk rippers. The irony of this is though, that most of these spoilt bastards couldn't ride their bikes for shit. I could out jump most of them by miles on my heavy old burner.

So whilst mongoose built better bmx's, raleigh were not shit. BITD I thought truly shit bmx's were things like dirtburners, strattons, or other cheapo taiwanese catalogue bikes. Burner frames are also pretty strong, I landed mine from 7 foot on to the flat hundreds of times and it never broke.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: mantadave on January 14, 2006, 04:31 PM: burners were austin rover of bmx crap :10_2_12:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Bren Gunn on January 14, 2006, 04:46 PM: Coastvl, that goose is fantastic. :4_17_5:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: Coastvl on January 15, 2006, 12:02 AM: Thanks for the praise. I love the responses from you guys. Any other site it's just another goose. Here and the UK 'gooses mean more to the average joe. I really appreciate it. It's getting fully rebuilt with new chrome and grips. The GT bars are very sadly rusted.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: boogaloo-tramp on January 15, 2006, 05:54 PM: Quote from: mantadave on January 14, 2006, 04:31 PM
burners were austin rover of bmx crap :10_2_12:

No, they were the opel manta of bmx crap.
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: d14vd_h on January 16, 2006, 12:53 AM: if were goin for car analogies its gotta be

mongoose = mustang.
burner = capri, a classic in its own right and an important place in uk car history often described as the uk 'stang
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: mantadave on January 18, 2006, 01:05 PM: if mantas were crap why did ruffell have one i see you dont no much ;D
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 19, 2006, 12:27 PM: Quote from: mantadave on January 18, 2006, 01:05 PM
if mantas were crap why did ruffell have one i see you dont no much ;D

he had a burner too ;)
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: mantadave on January 20, 2006, 02:13 PM: yea and thats when his career went down hill and he lost all his street cred and won nothing :Aresehole:
Title: Re: Raleigh Vs Mongoose
Post by: theRuler on January 20, 2006, 02:27 PM: he had a pretty good burner though!!!
i think that was the year he moved into the older age group
and was up against the likes of naked tim march

tim was fast