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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Race (riders ready, pedals ready... GO!!) => Topic started by: mr.magoo on November 17, 2008, 11:05 AM
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Just got back from seeing specialist to discuss the results of my MRi scan
ive ligament damage at front of knee but absolutely gutted that i have torn the cruciate ligament.
This needs reconstructive surgery, where hamstrings from elsewhere on me need grafting to make it good again.
Waiting list is months and months, but marked as urgent, but not before 6 weeks worth of physio, as has to be in best shape poss prior to op.
To make matters worse just come home and looked up the op on the net....screws to graft???
then looked at the healing programme, constant physio for months and no excessive use or dodgy sports for at least 9 months after :wtf:
lets hope thats not how it goes, or i'll be off my bike for over a year!!!!!
having just worked 12 night shifts 13 hours a night without a day off, i'd say a perfect end to my working week :rant:
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With any luck you may be back in action for mid summer.
Chin up, its not that long, just seems like it
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Hows your knee now Dan ?
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Ohh not good news Neil.
Maybe I'll kep old school busy while your absent then. ;)
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A very similar injury to mine - hopefully without the complications.
PM me anytime if you want any info/gory details. All the best :)
Rob
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There are some positives to draw from mate.
First one is that as this is such a common injury that have got the fixing it part sussed,
Secondly, the recovery time they quote is usually worst case scenario for the average non sporty guy on the street.
Bmx'ers are tough so you can beat that timetable by a mile!! :2gunsfiring_v1:
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A very similar injury to mine - hopefully without the complications.
PM me anytime if you want any info/gory details. All the best :)
Rob
Same here.
Get your legs in tippity-top shape (especially hams & quads) and follow the instructions from the medics.
Don't get stressed dude as it'll make healing harder. Stay cool, post some rad stuff in the mean time! :Great_Britain:
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i don't get the ups and downs,,,,,some days i think i don't care about racing, lived without it for 22 years, just wanna be able to walk, straighten and bend my leg normally etc etc.
other days i look at photos of racing, or go in the garage and see my bikes and just soo wanna get out on them....have tried a couple of times to ride, but just cant bend my knee far enough to turn the crank.
Hate to admit it, but if i hadn't brought my lad a Kuwi for xmas think i would have turned my back on BMX again by now.
Damn, and i just brought myself new Fly racing gear for my xmas present off the missus!!!!
Also question how much i will be prepared to push when i eventually get back on a track, gonna be some mental block in there somewhere.
Never mind, not good news today, but at least i'm now on a waiting list, closer than i was yesterday :daumenhoch:
Si - you can put the Old School through their paces for me till i return, on a bad note if it takes that long i'll be going into 40+ cruisers :'( wont get a chance to kick some young butt :2funny:
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thanks for the comments guys
Bob, just been reading your thread, thankfully (hopefully) no where near as bad as yours.
In terms of keeping in shape, went back to work the day after the injury (probably not good, cos over the next two nights i popped the knee a further three times, guess the cracking sound must have been more ripping)
still unloading lorries and pulling 1 ton+ pallets just limited to having to walk on tip toes when load bearing or pulling heavy stuff.
Have tried to keep active and do everything i did before injury to make sure i don't suffer any muscle loss, but my thigh has shrunk to about half size, but the calf has compensated for it!
Gotta try to stay positive, Kdub your right, when i had two discs removed from my back the surgeon couldn't believe it when he saw me outside the hospital having a fag the next day!!! then i went back to work after a month, when i still should have been in complete bed rest period......
bring on the surgery....get me back on my bike!!!!
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No use worrying about some thing you have no control over Neil, i.e the wait for the op, just make sure you follow there advice once it`s done :daumenhoch:
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Magoo - if it's 'only' an ACL reconstruction, then you've got nowt to worry about brother!
All keyhole sugery these days and very straightforward. In the meantime, get on an excercise bike and start pedalling, nice and easy but for an hour at a time. My surgeon likened it to wringing out a cloth. The exercise will help to disperse the fluid, as will raising your heart rate. This will take some of the discomfort away.
You must have good strong pins pre-op. Which I didn't have, hence some of my problems.
You can get your knee drained (aspirated) if its massive and uncomfortable. Docs won't neccessarily suggest it becasue if the risk of infection, but you can ask.
A broken ACL in itself is not a painful thing. A lot of people live long and happy lives without them. Hell, I did for 25 years!!!
You do need to stop injuring it though, it just compounds your probems - trust me on this!
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Sorry to hear that buddy, it's not good having to lay off your bike for a while.
But keep the interest in and build yourself something nice to make all those ops and physio worthwhile!
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Gutted for ya Neil, just take your time, as for getting it drained, fookin painful so try other routes first :daumenhoch:
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Yes Rob, tbh i'm not worried about the procedure or the hard work on physio as i keep fairly fit through work, its the timescales that are doing my head in, but cant complain its only been two months since injury and i've heard of people going longer before they even get a scan. Hell i suffered with slipped discs and a trapped nerve for nearly five years.
as for exercise bike, same issue as actual riding, cant bend knee enough to turn a full revolution of the crank, but saw physio today and he showed me how to move the knee cap around and gave me some exercises, first proper session next monday.
think tiredness is just putting an edge on the negativity, but you guys and your support is making me feel alot more positive :daumenhoch:
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Si - you can put the Old School through their paces for me till i return, on a bad note if it takes that long i'll be going into 40+ cruisers wont get a chance to kick some young butt
theres your motivation, try and get back to race fitness for the Brits next year and kick butt in the 30-30cr, you should get dispensation for not riding the regionals
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good motivation, but think old school would be the goal, only done one club meeting on cruiser, and after seeing 30-39 at the Southern champs, hmmm, more chance of kicking butt in old school me thinks.
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Bill:
I had my op 2 weeks ago, Looking at about 3 weeks or so before I can get back on my bike (I'm walking and driving fine) just need a bit more time now before I can put any real strain on it.
Should be ripping next Summer though - I've got a new lease of life now that I've been forced out of action...... Now I just want to go faster and bigger!
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so sorry to hear that Neil. chin up buddy.
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hope all goes well neil.hoping to finally meet you next year.see if i remember you from adur aces days!!
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What a nightmare Neil :(
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Sorry to hear that mate. :(
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Bad news Neil, real sorry to hear about it dude.
Will you still be able to work after the operation mate ?????
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Diesel, you've made my day...filled me with hope, good recovery time :daumenhoch:
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Opps - Don't want to get you too excited my total recovery period has been some time (since april ish), and my injury not as bad.
I torn muscle, only pull ligaments, and I torn some cartilage my opp was to repair the torn cartilage so your recovery will be much more intense then mine.
Hope that helps - possibly not
Either ways I feel much more positive about riding, du to the lay off I've had
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It could be worse, just concentrate on getting fixed
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doh, thats blown it....at the mo i'm more worried about how long i'll need off work, no sick pay and all that, so think i'll have to have a normal Magoo magic recovery 1 or 2 weeks holiday at MAX
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Sorry to hear this Neil and hopefully you get called in for surgery soon as possible. Humps
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Gutted for you Neil, but as others have said, if the ops go as planned, you'll be fully healed and be able to ride again eventually. Hopefully be back for the Brits and in with a good shot at the Old School title (if not, there's always the year after) :daumenhoch:
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Neil it may seem like an age now but it'll soon pass. Keep yer pecker up. I know a few people who have blown knees and it is a pisser in the short-term but stay positive and it'll be right again before you know it.
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magoo
just think when ur ready to get back on a bike and ur be 40+ ill be there waiting mate for ur return me bigkev dave the perv , darren plus hopefully we can drag a few more oldies back its going to be a blast ...
get well soon neil
PS remember richard thomas from dover i hear his back riding going to phone him tomorrow night ill say hello from u mate
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head up big man we all behind you and want to see you kicking zippys arse again come and see you at weekend mate flowers or chocolates
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careful kev that is all he wants is some loving mummys boys there all same :2funny:
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head up big man we all behind you and want to see you kicking zippys arse again come and see you at weekend mate flowers or chocolates
Now we all know that ain't going to be happening anytime soon. :LolLolLolLol:
I'll keep my number 1 nice and warm for you Neil and you can take it over in 2010. :daumenhoch:
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Cheers Si, wouldn't wanna deprive you of it too soon :daumenhoch:
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:LolLolLolLol:
Just get back as fast as you can.
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magooster coming to see you sunday what time best flowers for the mrs or chocs for you mate then want to see tony williams be nice to do it in one day but daggers got race meeting got some catching up to do
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hmmm, just got back from first physio, very interesting.....surgeon didn't give me the complete lowdown
physio dept were suprised to see me walking, let alone unaided???
cartilege floating around in there, cruciate ligament snapped, some other ligament that connects muscles ripped almost through...the list goes on, did wonder why she looked at me strange when they called my name and i just got up and walked over.
bad news is confirmed maybe a year post op before riding, BUT thinks i will be ok for fast-track recovery physio and poss 3 months post op?? Lets hope so.
Now just gotta keep pestering for the op!!!
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big kev seeing me the same day im not round the corner to magoo im in suffolk now lol
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Chin up Magoo. Listen to your physio and keep on pestering for the op, as you say :daumenhoch:
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cheers Bob, been doing exercises now, and feeling better, as i know that i am trying to build back up muscle and trying to get the tightened ones stretching again, spent the last two months being too worried to try anything too much in case i damaged anything else, so making progress now, flexability coming back, apart from in the mornings when the exersise causes swelling next day, but doing ice massages now to try to reduce that...then the plan is to surpass the physio's requirements and pester the surgeon. My theory is to suprise them with my drive enthusiasm and recovery rate, and hopefully they will see that this op and following physio won't be a drain on their budget, so hopefully bump me up the list a bit, making it an easy win for them.
maybe i'm just full of wishful thinking, but trying to keep myself positive :daumenhoch:
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Sounds spot on to me mate. Keep doing what you're doing. It was my good attitude that got me the op in the first place, they don't HAVE to offer you the surgery I was told..
See if you can get yourself a sports surgeon, and steer clear of donated ligaments if they're offered. Which cruciate ligament have you busted?
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ACL needs replacing, hoping to use hamstring outta one of my own legs, MCL? very badly torn, all muscles that go over or around knee cap stretched, as knee popped out and some cartilege damage
don't sound that bad when your just typing it :LolLolLolLol:
when i saw the surgeon last week the main physio was hoping to take me on, but cos of work i had to take a different appointment, so got a nice young lady, but she's off elsewhere in a few weeks, so main physio is hoping to get me then.
we agreed to turn a blind eye to some restrictive movements she found in my other knee cap when she was doing a comparisson, as thats probs from childhood and don't give me any grief :buck2:
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Gotcha.
you'll be reet.
A hamstring graft is what I had, its the more popular of two proceedures and gets the best results apparently. A patella graft is slightly stronger, but needs to be done by the right man I was told.
MCL may repair itself with physio as the blood supply is way better than the ACL, if not they recover well after surgery it seems. Stretched muscles is physio again obviously, and the cartilage damage will either be repaired, cleaned up (which means you lose some of it) or both, as was my case.
No bone damage? Good news :)
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all in all not too bad, won't know about cartilege till they get in there and MCLvery badly torn, again won't know till they get in, but after a couple of days of exercise, and knowing i aint making it worse i am feeling way more possitive, just a bit of negativity not knowing how long this piece of string is till the op.
can't wait till i've got enough movement to get on the exercise bike, then i can really get muscles back into top shape
but felt that happy this morning I've even been out and changed some components on my cruiser that i've been wanting to do since i had the accident, once i've warmed up a bit might even go and change the bars on my old school :daumenhoch:
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Cool :)
Positive mental attitude - so important.
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Thanks, and 100% right, not how i normally look at things tho.
have had second physio today, they were well impressed, managed to ride the exercise bike, took a couple of minutes of rocking half cranks back and forth for my knee to warm up, i told her if i tried i could push through the pain to get a full turn, but she told me not too!!!.........so i did, spent 10 minutes on there after that ;D
then ten on the rowing machine, can't believe how my fitness has dropped, well out of breath, and she wouldn't let me have a fag :2gunsfiring_v1: then onto the ballance board thing, not so good, but then i've never had good ballance, never could ride a skateboard.
so got some new exercises to hurry things along, still cant walk down stairs normally, but at least i can walk on level ground with out a limp, looking forward to getting the wifes exercise bike out now to see if i can ride that, as the seat doesn't quite go as high as the hospitals
but all in all a good week :)
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GOOD TO SEE YOU ON TOUR WAY TO RECOVERY MR MAGOO.HOPE THIS DOES NOT HOLD YOU BACK WHEN YOU RACE AGAIN.HOPE TO SEE YOU BEHIND THAT GATE IN 2009.
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good luck mate i just been there
got surgery last year september,and whas riding again in july 2008
its a long way , i know
listen to your body and dont get cocky keep it high and do your physio well
i also had my crucial ligament ripped whit biking in 2004
good luck mate !!!
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cheers Mate, just out of interest how long did you have to wait for the op?
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took me 4 months for waiting on surgery ,i went to a sportsdoctor who is specialized in that kind of injury's
the first 8 weeks whas total crap
could not lift up my own leg for about 4 weeks
after 5 months the fluids where finaly out of my knee ,and physio whas very hard
was a long road for me ,and still its not 100% on strenght
dont take this kind of surgery light ,its a heavy way to come back
in november 2004 i ripped it ,and in 2005 i whas riding the worlds in bercy ,whit a lot of muscle practice
i ended biking end 2006 , after 3th place in the south district in holland cruiser 30+
after that i got pre operating physio ,and in september i got surgery
the pre op physio ,should help me to a faster recovery but it did not fo anything extra
its a hard way and you must be dedicated to your training programm,and not to force it
after 8 months i started riding bmx on the track again ,men it whas awsome but also very strange
and i whas very afraid to fall. or over force it
its also important that you can trust your knee again ,thats the hardest part
to set your mind straight
i could go on for hours about this ,its been a good and sad year ,but afterall i am happy that i did the surgery
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sounds like another really nasty injury you had, glad its going well.
don't have an issue trusting my knee at the moment, still working, and can now twist and turn on it too, having trouble making time for the exercise at the moment though, working 18 hours a day, so thats not helping, but when i do it regular feels so much better.....just can't wait to get racing and jumping again.
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dont be afrraid to look at this ,
some pics from hospital and home
yes thats me :wtf:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/nn191/OPELFORUM1/HPIM0849.jpg)
after a few days finaly at home
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/nn191/OPELFORUM1/HPIM0855.jpg)
this is my war scar :4_17_5: btw dont do the bone patella bone construction,TAKE THE HAMSTRING
otherwise you wont be able to sit on your knees i still cant
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/nn191/OPELFORUM1/HPIM0856.jpg)
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hmmm thats not a pretty sight is it, no i mean the knee :LolLolLolLol:
thanks for info, just really can't wait to get it done, hamstring all the way, surgeon recommended, thats why physio is so important to make sure its built up enough to use.
thanks again :daumenhoch:
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yeah get some extra strength in the hamstrings and upper leg mate
you will need it
when is surgery planned ?
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haven't got a clue, saw surgeon two weeks ago, said waiting list is months and months, will put me as "urgent" and poss cancellation, but not before at least 6 weeks physio, so my expectations with the NHS is probably summer, just not sure which year :LolLolLolLol:
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damn that waiting time really stinks
how did this happen also in bmx ?
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Jeez man they shaved your legs..... :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :LolLolLolLol:
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yeah bad thing is i had to to it myself
so i shaved my leg ,and thought crap that looks like sheit , a shaved leg and a heary leg :wtf:
so i shaved the other leg also ;D
iam glad its over whas a tough year
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yeah, did it racing, silly fall, and not even a heavy one, but if your unlucky, you unlucky i guess :daumenhoch:
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Had physio yesterday, changed physio too, now with the top guy. But it is hard to understand his broken english.
Happy with progress, he's gonna push surgeon for op, he seems to think i could be looking as early as January, but i'll believe it when i get the appointment through.
Best news, if i understood him correctly, is that as long as i don't do any running i can start sport again, nothing that jolts knee cos "shock absorber" is smahed up and whats left does not line up properly, but he says that if i don't start riding my bike again, the knee damage is likely to fuse, and so long as i have normal use after op they wont be concerned if i don't have enough movement to ride, so said to ride again to keep moving and supple.
at least that was my translation of the conversation......so unless i get the op, i'm planning on Peckham (slowly) in January :daumenhoch:
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Good luck with it all Neil, have you told the wife you're planning on Peckham in January. :LolLolLolLol:
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Yes, took my lad to daggers, and it killed me to just stand and watch, but i'd hurt my knee the previous Monday tring to get on my exercise bike....but i spent all monday doing stretches etc etc, and managed a 5 mile run on it in 15 minutes, so she agreed that if i stay off here, spend more time building up my leg, i can take part, but not "race"/go for it, so was good news when the physio said i could ride the next day too.
so as long as i keep the exercises going so knee doesn't stiffen up i should be good for a roll round at the back, but better to have taken part and come last than watch :LolLolLolLol:
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keep up mate
mine whas ripped in nov.04 and in march 05 i whas back in racing again
in july i raced the worlds in paris bercy
i raced for 2.5 more years whit a ripped ligament
just build up those muscles and maybe get a kneebrace it really helps
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getting more possitive by the day, you raced the worlds, how cool is that???
my main concern is falling on it, as i do like to have the occasional roll on the floor during a race :LolLolLolLol:
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............and managed a 5 mile run on it in 15 minutes
15 minutes divided by 5 miles is equal to a 3 minute mile!!
I think the world record is 3 mins 43 secs!!
Is your knee bionic? :LolLolLolLol:
Its good to hear you knee is getting better and stronger!!
What knee supports are you using?
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The deal with the hamstring vs patella graft is one of stength over quality.... The patella graft is regarded as stronger than the hamstring graft, but only if done by the right surgeon. I'm also told there is a trick to the patella proceedure that does allow you to sit on your knees, but I'm not 100% sure exactly what that is.
The advice given to me was to have a hamstring graft, but have it done by the best in the business. Its a more straightforward proceedure so is more likely to be very successful.
For the record, I shall NOT be using a kneebrace in the future, I'm not yet convinced they truly help....
As for your shock absorbers, I was told basically the same - forget running as an exercise as its beats the shit out your knees internally. Pedalling is good for your knees if done correctly, BMX and more specifically, crashing (lol) is of course not reccommended. I have 25% and 50% respectively left in my right and left knees. I will continue to ride.
All the best buddy
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Thanks for the support guys, Moley, unfortunately my lad had been using it before me so hadn't reset the timer, but felt like only 15 mins, but held a decent 20mph for 90% of the 5 miles (too tired at mo to do the maths on that one) with quite a stiff setting :daumenhoch:
Knee supports....haven't used 'em for weeks, too hot and sweaty to have on all day, and restrict movement too much.
Bob, not supposed to mention about the crashing, its what i do best, have to try to make sure i continue my usual landing technique, i.e. turn in mid air and land on my back, or if mis-timed (as usual) land on my head, can't do much more damage there i'm sure!!!
hamstring all the way for me :daumenhoch:
can't wait to get back out on my bike :4_17_5:
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Good luck with your recovery!
I will expect to see you racing at MK09!! :daumenhoch:
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whey-hey...finally got a letter, next week pre-op......operation 11th March
fingers crossed if extremely lucky could be back to full strength by mid june.....MK09 and Brits :daumenhoch:fingers crossed
question about brits....do i need to "race" while recovering from op to qualify, or would allowances be made????
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if i comes to it mate i tow you round
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you'll get dispensation for the injury just see your club secretary should not be a problem
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wouldn't know who my secretary is......
my lad'll wanna race, if i can turn the pedals i can "race" too, but its taken nearly three months since the injury before i could "race" recently.
but thanks for the info, so excited about being able to give it all again properly :smitten:
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just roll of the gate in old school, that's all I'll be doing. :LolLolLolLol:
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if need be, thats my definition of "race" :LolLolLolLol:
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whey-hey...finally got a letter, next week pre-op......operation 11th March
fingers crossed if extremely lucky could be back to full strength by mid june.....MK09 and Brits :daumenhoch:fingers crossed
question about brits....do i need to "race" while recovering from op to qualify, or would allowances be made????
i dont wanna burst your bubble mate , but you can forget june.
there is a 6 month period that is extremely dangerous for the craft
after 6 or 7 months you can try practice on the bike
and believe me its scarry shit
well good luck 11th march fingers crossed
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yeah i know its not gonna be great, i try not to ask too many questions, then if i don't get the answers i didn't wanna hear its easier to remain possitive :daumenhoch:
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thats true
but look at the pro soccer players whit this injury
lot of them start to early whit playing soccer
the risk is if you start to early you will destroy your knee permanantly
i started biking after 7 months, all whas going ok ,but i had the feeling it whas to early
i gained up more power in the leg and at 10 months i whas practicing once a week for 1,5 hours
its a nasty injury whit a fooking long recovery time
i took a year for it and every week that it whas shorter i was happy
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Dannyd, you put a hex on me, just had pre op and been given the rehab programme, sport fitness training to rebuild strength and muscle 12 months after op :'(
and they say i can't drive or work for six weeks.......yeah right, they ever tried living with out sick pay...one week.work will resume :2funny:
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i know it comes down hard on you mate.
when i ripped mine i walked fine again in 2 weeks and whas back in racin in 3 months
after surgery i walked 4 week whit cruches :angrysoapbox: :idiot2: imagine that after 3months i started whit a little jogging
well a few more weeks for you , all i can say is workout hard: and dont let your head down
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have had a "quiet" word with physio, says because of any cases where they give bad advise and legal implications (getting sued), they have to give a worse case scenario to all, but says that i should be fine to work after two/three weeks, and its not impossible that i could be riding again with-in three months, but as you say that is depending on my recovery and how hard i work.....5 years then i guess :2funny: