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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: part time on December 01, 2008, 10:11 AM
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Stolen from Dirt mag website:
http://dirtmag.co.uk/news/category/dirt-team/brian-lopes-on-a-bmx-with-gears/dirt-1234233.html
Whats all that about? Been in the BMX wilderness for a good few years but I suspect this has all been done before?
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Hmmmm... interesting and not against it, each to their own and all that, but it's not a BMX anymore.
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Brian Moped? Wasnt he one of the main people behind clips being used in BMX?
I know that he was at some MTB comp somewhere in Europe a few years ago. My mate Ian Oz (while drunk) was giving him such a hard time about nothing at all that 'Moped' flipped and dragged Ozzer down the road by his hair. I think Steve Geal and Lewis King had to jump in to save him. Classic!
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mmmmmmmmmm is that for racing? would it be race legal?
one thing with bmx bikes that has always been key for me is that they should take punishment, and nowadays you can be pretty safe in knowledge if you stack in a park or on the street or on the track you're bike is almost certain to still be rideable...even if you are not in a fit state to ride, adding stuff like a derailleur (spelling?) is just asking for trouble as they do snap off or get damaged quite easily don't they?
not against it in principle but in my opinion and it's just an opinion BMX should be one speed, you select your cog and sprocket sizes and you take your chances, part of getting your gearing right is probably part of the skill of being a bmx racer, I dunno for sure, I've never raced, but I'm guessing that some (all?) of the racers here change cog/sprocket (or free wheel and chain ring if you are old school. lol) depending on which track they are racing at.
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Two speed bmx's were around in 1981 or so so nothing new there at all ;).
Joe, some dude won the British Cruiser champs on a 4x bike so would assume that it's legal :daumenhoch:.
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This is all getting outa hand 22" bikes 20's with gears, I'm off to get a set of suspension forks for my bmx but hang on is it a bmx?
Someone years ago said that MTB and BMX will merge into one discipline and it will just be bike riding and its starting to look like they could be right.
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Two speed bmx's were around in 1981 or so so nothing new there at all ;).
Wasn't there a 'Browing' 2 speed hub or something back in the day?
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This is all getting outa hand 22" bikes 20's with gears, I'm off to get a set of suspension forks for my bmx but hang on is it a bmx?
Someone years ago said that MTB and BMX will merge into one discipline and it will just be bike riding and its starting to look like they could be right.
If you go back to the late 80's you'll find that BMX bikes were running front suspension forks and if you go back to the 70's and take a look at Reilley's posts you'll find an awful lot of BMX bikes ran front and rear shocks with the fronts being double crown. I don't see it merging at all except that some mtb's will run single speed and 24 inch wheels, hang they are already doing that too :LolLolLolLol:
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Brian Moped? Wasnt he one of the main people behind clips being used in BMX?
YES he was, and fooked UK bmx racing with it, clips, gears are not bmx and is probably the reason uk racing is not in Ride anymore
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worms everywhere
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>:( Well whatever it is,it`s just not BMX.I know that times change but this isn`t new or a good idea.What`s next,bottle cages on frames and flat oval tracks?
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Now i'm largely indifferent to either side of this discussion, about what constitues true BMX, but just for the sake of playing devils advocate, would it have been different, if at the conception of BMX, there were gear systems as reliable as those we have today? After all, MX bikes have always had gears.....
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Multiple gears are legal according to the UCI rulebook. *shakes head in disbelief*
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BITD Dave Wallace (Ex Kuwahara Team Manager) virtually launched himself at me as i crossed the line in about 1985 for running a 2 speed Shimano set up.
Got banned from the regional straight away...
Lopes has been tearing up 4X for the last few years and has continually tested out new bits of kit including a set of Fox Forks that ran fully locked out until he hit the first jump when they reverted to normal inertia valve forks (if you can call them normal!!).
personally having ridden both MTB and BMX over the years, i think they should be kept seperate... MTB have 4X we have Cruiser, nether should they mix in my mind.
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It won`t be long and anyone that can`t quite make the cut on single speed will try gears, and if they are more successful then everyone else will have to use them to keep up :(
Unless it`s banned it`ll be all over for single speed at the races :(
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They'll have to completely redesign tracks too won't they? Massive straights? Endurance? On a regular track by the time you've shifted gears everyone will have passed you by! Bollox.
Like the suspension forks and other gimmicks that have gone before, if the riders make some easy money from fat cat companies who smell a potential profit then fair play to them but we all know this will never ever catch on and yet another MTB company will slink off with it's tail between it's legs while Lopes goes to the bank on his 44/16. Cnuts.
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Laz the gears these days are really quick and easy to change, you only have a finger paddle which changes the gears up or down, and they are really easy to use :(
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Laz the gears these days are really quick and easy to change, you only have a finger paddle which changes the gears up or down, and they are really easy to use :(
That's just scary! Still don't see the point though.
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I guess if you want to see the sport progress then you have to put up with a certain amount of change.
Imagine the new speeds that might be achieved, the different types of track that can be designed, It may not be the same but it could make for an interesting time ahead.
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y152/fuzzywig/bmx-1.jpg)
;)
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fook lopes and his gay gears,
the guys a w@nker anyway,
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fook lopes and his gay gears,
the guys a w@nker anyway,
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
say what you see.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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gears are nothing new and neither is suspension
Lopes was pictured in BMX Plus in the late 90's early 00's on a Mongoose 20" with gears/clips and a disc brake wearing a skinsuit
:) DINGO :)
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wearing a skinsuit
:) DINGO :)
like i said,
the guy isnt a bmxer,
he's a fooking money grubbing gay w@nker.
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wearing a skinsuit
:) DINGO :)
like i said,
the guy isnt a bmxer,
he's a fooking money grubbing gay w@nker.
Why is he being inducted into the hall of fame, he sold out to mtb years ago :2gunsfiring_v1:
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im gonna stay out of this cuz i know nuffin about nuffin...i still got stabilizers!! :uglystupid2:
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im gonna stay out of this cuz i know nuffin about nuffin...i still got stabilizers!! :uglystupid2:
Stabilizers are fine as long as you aint got gears or lycra.
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Load of bollox!!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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Trying to get one of these working at the minute for a laugh at MK09. With a 38 as the low gear I can't see much advantage on a steep starting hill but should provide amusement on Saturday afternoon (fook racing with it on :LolLolLolLol:)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/Temp/browning10002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v637/bigplinky/Temp/browning10001.jpg)
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Disk brakes are well over the top for a bmx, it is not like you are at full speed going down the side of a mountain.
As for the gears, what a waste of time, a 44-16 ratio on a bmx it fine on the track. If you need to go faster then pedal harder
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Have one of these in the cupboard, no idea how to set it up.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m219/cazbo71/PICT0009-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m219/cazbo71/PICT0012-1.jpg)
Thought gears in BMX got banned in the 80's??
IMO no gears or suspension. If they are allowed think what our olympic track will have to be like, the Bejing one was mental as it was :uglystupid2:
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think what our olympic track will have to be like, the Bejing one was mental as it was :uglystupid2:
downhill track maybe?
oh wait mtb's have those dont they? :LolLolLolLol:
as soon as the big corporate "bike" companies come sniffing round bmx they always fook it up,
they think they can make it better and more expensive, make more money etc,
they'll never understand, lopes is just like their little bitch,
that fooker will ride anything for a few quid ;)
hall of fame?
but the rest of the bmx world says "lopes who?"
after seeing those shit bmx sus forks in the 90's, then clips dominate and that carbon gt monstrocity recently i cant take bmx racing seriously anyway anymore,
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And the winnah is.....
Disk brakes are well over the top for a bmx, it is not like you are at full speed going down the side of a mountain.
As for the gears, what a waste of time, a 44-16 ratio on a bmx it fine on the track. If you need to go faster then pedal harder
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You wont be buying one of these then Joe ;)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GT-Power-Series-Ultra-Box-2-BMX-Racing-Frame-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ260304321806QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item260304321806&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
:) DINGO :)
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The key word here is 'racing'. As long as people are doing this, there will be people trying to gain an advantage by whatever means possible. In my experience, that's the nature of racing and thats the whole point of it. The solutions that riders and companies come up with to win a race aren't always pretty or conform to our accepted mechanical or aesthetic knowledge, but if it wins the race, and is within the rules, who cares? (think when wings were introduced on F1 cars and the first carbon track bikes appeared). It's not long before these things become the accepted norm.
As for not taking BMX racing seriously because somebody wants to try something new, I find that a real insult to the incredible talent and commitment that I see out on the track every weekend. I'm not saying that I think gears will win races, that clips are a good idea, or that carbon frames are beautiful, but if somebody wants to try them then so what? If we all rode round on the same steel bikes with the same geometry, same heavy old components and same gearing it would be a pretty boring and stagnant sport. What next? a man walking round with a white flag in front of the riders on penny farthings? We should welcome new developments as progress, use what works and discard the rest. And accept that while some manufacturers will continue to produce 'classic' BMX products to keep us happy, others will want to push the envelope a little more and see whats possible...
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Well done Jamie lad!! :daumenhoch:
A well thought out and heartfelt commentary!!
When your sober, you make a lot of sense!! ;)
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Moley, as I typed the bit about pennyfarthings and white flags, I couldn't help thinking about that Old School b-final at Manchester!
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Moley, as I typed the bit about pennyfarthings and white flags, I couldn't help thinking about that Old School b-final at Manchester!
I was genuinely being nice to you!! :angel:
And then you have to diss me!!
Shame on you!! :'(
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Sorry Moley. :daumenhoch:
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Sorry Moley. :daumenhoch:
Too late now!! :(
Your off my Christmas Card list!!! :D
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Blame the UCI, BCF, ABA, NBL and all the other federations for not banning gears and clips and trying to make BMX more like MTB, track and road cycling.
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I'm not happy with this at all.
I'm not keen on clips and I certainly don't support gears.
Yes - it is important to push the sport and technology can help here. We all like the better bikes and parts that have been developed through the ages.
BUT...
You need boundaries. You need something that keeps BMX as BMX and not another form of cycling.
Think of all the great sports in the world - the classics don't change.
Judo still requires holds and throws. No one thought it right to allow the 3 inch death punch did they?
Velodrome cycling still requires single speed and massive legs.
Chess still needs you to use your brain and skills in pattern recognition - not a computer.
BMX is single speed, hell for leather, use your brain when choosing your gears, know how to handle your bike and jump without it being stuck to you with clips.
Dex
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Blame the UCI, BCF, ABA, NBL and all the other federations for not banning gears and clips and trying to make BMX more like MTB, track and road cycling.
Not sure what you are getting at Mike, is it the ruling bodies that have not clamped down on new innovations or that they have failed to recognise the ptential for a crossover between the varous disciplines and therefore allowing too much of a merge to occur?
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I'm not happy with this at all.
I'm not keen on clips and I certainly don't support gears.
Yes - it is important to push the sport and technology can help here. We all like the better bikes and parts that have been developed through the ages.
BUT...
You need boundaries. You need something that keeps BMX as BMX and not another form of cycling.
Think of all the great sports in the world - the classics don't change.
Judo still requires holds and throws. No one thought it right to allow the 3 inch death punch did they?
Velodrome cycling still requires single speed and massive legs.
Chess still needs you to use your brain and skills in pattern recognition - not a computer.
BMX is single speed, hell for leather, use your brain when choosing your gears, know how to handle your bike and jump without it being stuck to you with clips.
Dex
AMEN!! That's exactly whats in my head but feeble brain no let words come out....
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fook lopes and his gay gears,
the guys a w@nker anyway,
Joe, Last night I got the full story of the Lopes Vs Ozzer pro death match.
I will tell you the whole thing on sat night :daumenhoch: You will love it.
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fook lopes and his gay gears,
the guys a w@nker anyway,
Joe, Last night I got the full story of the Lopes Vs Ozzer pro death match.
I will tell you the whole thing on sat night :daumenhoch: You will love it.
You can't say that and not tell the rest of us ;D
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fook lopes and his gay gears,
the guys a w@nker anyway,
Joe, Last night I got the full story of the Lopes Vs Ozzer pro death match.
I will tell you the whole thing on sat night :daumenhoch: You will love it.
You can't say that and not tell the rest of us ;D
Yeah, I just cant be bothered to type it all, esp on a thread that is really about how stupid his bike is, not how stupid HE is!
It kinda boils down to Lopes was takin the piss out of a very drunk Steve Geal, so Ozzer tipped his pint over Lopes ... causing him to totally lose it.
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Yeah, I just cant be bothered to type it all, esp on a thread that is really about how stupid his bike is, not how stupid HE is!
It kinda boils down to Lopes was takin the piss out of a very drunk Steve Geal, so Ozzer tipped his pint over Lopes ... causing him to totally lose it.
OOHHHH sounds good, Steve Geal is a legend so I can imagine Ozzer went into one on Lopes then ;D. Did Lopes start thowing punches or what and did Ozzer kick his ass?
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Blame the UCI, BCF, ABA, NBL and all the other federations for not banning gears and clips and trying to make BMX more like MTB, track and road cycling.
Not sure what you are getting at Mike, is it the ruling bodies that have not clamped down on new innovations or that they have failed to recognise the ptential for a crossover between the varous disciplines and therefore allowing too much of a merge to occur?
Although Lopes and King stand guilty as charged for introducing non-BMX equipment like gears and clips into BMX racing, if the rules around gears and clip in pedals categorically stated such equipment was banned then they wouldn't even have been able to line up on the gate.
Lopes hasn't broken any rules but the sanctions have seen how he has bent them, so if they really wanted to banish this stuff from BMX they could by implementing clear rules about it. Whether this is due to ignorance or some hidden agenda, I don't know. I don't agree with Lopes' equipment choice but it's too easy to make him a scapegoat for clips and gears. If the BMX racing community don't want them, the sanctions should reflect those wishes by banning them.
BCF had a chance to do it with clips but chose not to. They also had the chance to ban geared and suspended mountain bikes from BMX races, but chose not to. So we know they'll do feck all about banning gears on BMX bikes either. Hopefully most people will have the sense to keep BMX 20/24, rigid and singlespeed.
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OOHHHH sounds good, Steve Geal is a legend so I can imagine Ozzer went into one on Lopes then ;D. Did Lopes start thowing punches or what and did Ozzer kick his ass?
Lopes dragged Ozzer out of the place (he is only small) and was about to really set on him but Lewis King (UK MTB legend) got in there and stoped it. Later on Lewis was seen to be "hunting" for Lopes but lucky for everyone, he didnt find him.
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Its difficult this really, and I aint no solomon. I can say though that I would prefer people won through skill and effort, and not through a cheque book approach to the parts bin.
On the other hand I quite like the idea of disc brakes as I find for flatland and the like, that everyday brakes don't work too well for what I need.
Ray.