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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: southend_styler on December 02, 2008, 07:55 AM
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Me and Bmxbert were talking at work yesterday, about the feasibility of renting a warehouse space and building an indoor ramp just for us and mates. Surely, in theory, as long as it's just for personal use, you bypass all that Public Liability stuff?
We looked into prices and a suitable space was about £5,000 PA. And if you get a few people in on it, thats pennies!!!
We know a couple of people who have experience in building ramps, so that wouldn't be a problem.
What i'm asking, i guess, has anyone ever done anything like this or know of anyone that has? If so, is it feasible or just a fantasy???
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I think twobobrob is part owner of the Charlton set up...sure he'll be along soon to advise.
he also used to build ramps for a living, and he's a good guy, so talk to the man. :daumenhoch:
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if you have ten riders at £5k a year that's only £40 a month, plus the cost of the ramp it's self plus lighting/any other costs, like taxes etc, not sure what you have to pay, like rates and stuff.
I reckon it is feasible, however it's not just rent and the cost of the ramp, there's going to be much more I'm sure.
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Yeah, we was talking about all that as well. But we've got no clue what sort of figure we're gonna be looking at for the materials. Labour won't be a problem as we'll just offer in on it to anyone who helps. :coolsmiley:
The thing i thought that might be a problem was whether the estate agents/landlords would have a load of blokes chucking themselves around their property???
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Yeah, we was talking about all that as well. But we've got no clue what sort of figure we're gonna be looking at for the materials. Labour won't be a problem as we'll just offer in on it to anyone who helps. :coolsmiley:
The thing i thought that might be a problem was whether the estate agents/landlords would have a load of blokes chucking themselves around their property???
don't tell em, and in this "Current Economic Climate" are they going to care? :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
they just want rent in.
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how ever let's wait for some experienced views on this because I'm just guessing and making somewhat flippant remarks.
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Rob will have the full low down on this I'm sure.
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We thought about just telling them we wanted to use it to "store" a ramp :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Everytime I go past a unit for rent I think something similar so I'd be interested to see how this develops...
B
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Watching this with interest :)
Start saving for a Coventry project if it works out hey Joe!
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My limited knowledge of cost would be:-
Rent
Rates
Buildings Insurance
Electrics
Water
And dont forget you will probably have to pay VAT if you are doing it personally unless you can run it through a company.
Then i would imagine you will have to get approval from the landlords. And a sh1t load of keys for everyone who is chipping in. Unless your landlords retrict you to 2 or 3 'keyholders'. Apart from that i dont se it being a problem and as long as its near to all those wanting to chip in it would be cool as. If its local to me count me in. Me and JT have been trying to think of a way of doing it ourselves.
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Well i can't see any reason why this can't be a possibility. I'm going to have a chat with Berts accountant tonight when i tattoo him and see what he thinks on the financial side of things. And then it's just a case of finding a suitable place and getting started i spose. I've already had a chat with a mate of mine who's a chippy and a skater, so thats one of the builders sorted. And he said he can source some plans and get a quote on the materials.
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when we had the barn it was fooking hard work, rent was only £100 a month, but, the ply was over a grand that we got cheap from interact as they owed us a favour. the remainder of the wood came from a house a mate was demolishing, screws and nails was over £500 alone.we had to buy a generator and lighting as there was non on site, it took best part of 6 months to build and that was with a chippy building. i really fancy another one but the rent is gonna be roughly £500 a month then its gotta be built. the main problem is getting roughly 10 riders together to chip in all the time.
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
we started out with 10 people, ended up with 3 at the end of the build
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
we started out with 10 people, ended up with 3 at the end of the build
:shocked:
Maybe we'll take a couple of months money in advance, that way we won't have to worry about it too much.
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
we started out with 10 people, ended up with 3 at the end of the build
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deffo the best way, what size building are you looking at ?
Maybe we'll take a couple of months money in advance, that way we won't have to worry about it too much.
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Haven't really decided on size yet. Bmxbert needs to get in here to make this bit clearer, it's his brain child!! 8)
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I know someone who's looking to do this now, and rates work out far in excess of the rent.
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Yea, i did kind of expect that. But when the rent's only £5,000 PA and split between a few people, it still won't be impossible. ;)
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Just go for it and build a full-on business....set aside 'RADDERS EVENINGS' for site members...
Doesn't The Works in Leeds offer 'group nights' or am I thinking of the group lessons they do?
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Just go for it and build a full-on business....set aside 'RADDERS EVENINGS' for site members...
Doesn't The Works in Leeds offer 'group nights' or am I thinking of the group lessons they do?
think its really hard to make a skate park pay as a business, i think the insurance is sky high and kills it from the beginning.
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There's not really a plan to make this a business. It's going to be purely for personal use. Just so we know we've got somewhere we can go whenever we like, whatever the weather. I had a chat with someone yesterday and he said he looked in to opening a park a few years back and the Public Liability Insurance was in excess of £150,000!!!!!!!!! :shocked:
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I know local companies sponsor parks - like Corus sponsoring Corby...
I've often thought my area (Cheltenham) could do with something indoor (Good transport links, nothing nearby that is all weather, etc) and as we have two massive Insurance companies (Zurich and Ensleigh) here they could sponsor it and provide cheap liability insurance in exchange for their name being plastered everywhere!!!
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I know local companies sponsor parks - like Corus sponsoring Corby...
I've often thought my area (Cheltenham) could do with something indoor (Good transport links, nothing nearby that is all weather, etc) and as we have two massive Insurance companies (Zurich and Ensleigh) here they could sponsor it and provide cheap liability insurance in exchange for their name being plastered everywhere!!!
then they could release a DVD about a road trip to Europe, but also featuring their park in Cheltenham, called Zurich does Zurich.
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This is a great Idea :daumenhoch:, myself & subversion were chatting along the same lines the other day, TBH I can't see creation (our nearest indoor park) lasting more than another year, they just never seem to be busy anymore, the owners themselfs have said the climbing wall doubles (on a bad week!) what the skatepark makes.. :'(
so I think.. that this, is going to be a common thing with little 'private parks' popping up here and there..
hey Joe (JT71),
was in Kens truck stop the other day, sized up the joint, asked about rent etc, now that would make a great indoor park!! very exspensive tho..
but I'm sure that when the truck stop is fully gone along with (maybe ::)) central blast and powerpark auto's the rent will fall quickly
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This is an interesting thread guys, i'm a Charlton regular and i know that costs roughly a grand a month all in.
I live in Leigh-on-Sea so would defo be interested in riding a private park nearby, i will keep an eye on this thread for sure.
Good luck fellas
Sean. :daumenhoch:
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Dare I ask (in the dream that it'll be near me) where you guys are talking about?
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southendy way as thats were they both live and work
cool idea tho
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
we started out with 10 people, ended up with 3 at the end of the build
thats only cos you took so long to finish it... ;) :LolLolLolLol:
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Getting the people together to chip in shouldn't be a problem. We only spoke about it yesterday and already we have about 5 people who definately want in. The initial layout for materials i think is going to be the stumbling block.
we started out with 10 people, ended up with 3 at the end of the build
thats only cos you took so long to finish it... ;) :LolLolLolLol:
you found a house yet with a spare room ?
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This is a great Idea :daumenhoch:, myself & subversion were chatting along the same lines the other day, TBH I can't see creation (our nearest indoor park) lasting more than another year, they just never seem to be busy anymore, the owners themselfs have said the climbing wall doubles (on a bad week!) what the skatepark makes.. :'(
so I think.. that this, is going to be a common thing with little 'private parks' popping up here and there..
hey Joe (JT71),
was in Kens truck stop the other day, sized up the joint, asked about rent etc, now that would make a great indoor park!! very exspensive tho..
but I'm sure that when the truck stop is fully gone along with (maybe ::)) central blast and powerpark auto's the rent will fall quickly
you do know i work for the owners of that site?
my bosses other company owns that whole collection of units.
rents are too high, otherwise there's a lovely big refurbed unit round the corner.
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Right.
Lets get a couple of things out of the way.
There are very few skateparks in this country that make money. Very few indeed. Small premises DO NOT make money without a subsiduary business, period.
Stop using the term 'chip in'. There is no 'chipping in' projects like this. It's a far bigger committment than that, if you're serious.
Our project at Charlton lost 3 of its founder members (co-owners) before the ramp was even finished!
Commercial Rates can be higher than the rent. Research!
There is a Planning issue. Not neccessarily for discussion on the public board. PM me if you want advice.
Now, all that aside, it's a great idea - get it built! Be careful about copying somebody elses ramp plans though, they're often crap. Your skater chippie mate should have a good idea about whats what so I won't preach on here too much, other than to say that the very most basic mini ramp will need to stand on a footprint of approximately 35ft x 20ft depending on height. Thats 700 sqft. What size is the unit you're looking at? Be sure to get accurate dimensions so you can determine what will actually fit in, you may well get a shock when you start building otherwise ;)
Crack on then!
I'd like somewhere new to ride....... :)
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Very sound advice there mate.
As i have mentioned this is just a very preliminary idea. And the reason i put this post up was to gain some further knowledge on the subject, and I think I have accomplished that.
There hasn't really been any research in to this as of yet, as, really, it was just idle chit chat i was sharing.
When, or if, this starts building a bit of speed, i will thoroughly research every aspect of it. That's just my nature, i'm very meticulous. :coolsmiley:
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shame your not like that at work ;D
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shame your not like that at work ;D
Get bent!!! ;D
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This is a great Idea :daumenhoch:, myself & subversion were chatting along the same lines the other day, TBH I can't see creation (our nearest indoor park) lasting more than another year, they just never seem to be busy anymore, the owners themselfs have said the climbing wall doubles (on a bad week!) what the skatepark makes.. :'(
so I think.. that this, is going to be a common thing with little 'private parks' popping up here and there..
hey Joe (JT71),
was in Kens truck stop the other day, sized up the joint, asked about rent etc, now that would make a great indoor park!! very exspensive tho..
but I'm sure that when the truck stop is fully gone along with (maybe ::)) central blast and powerpark auto's the rent will fall quickly
you do know i work for the owners of that site?
my bosses other company owns that whole collection of units.
rents are too high, otherwise there's a lovely big refurbed unit round the corner.
yes mate had an idea they owned it, TBH its pipe dreams if anything.. just can't help myself when I'm in a big empty space indoors :D :D ..
myself and subversion have a long standing idea for some little fun ramps at my house when my workshop is done, just a couple of little 1/4's and a small 4' volcano is what I'm thinking, easy to move about..
kind'ov open the front of the workshop to use that for the run up then heading down through the car port etc.. centre of the car port has a 10' roof so should ::) be ok with head room
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Very sound advice there mate.
As i have mentioned this is just a very preliminary idea. And the reason i put this post up was to gain some further knowledge on the subject, and I think I have accomplished that.
There hasn't really been any research in to this as of yet, as, really, it was just idle chit chat i was sharing.
When, or if, this starts building a bit of speed, i will thoroughly research every aspect of it. That's just my nature, i'm very meticulous. :coolsmiley:
Cool. I wish you all the very best with it :daumenhoch:
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The insurance issue I'm sure would raise it's ugly head again too. The landlord will obviously want it covered, in the event of any accidents then there may well be issues even with signed up contributors. To get insurance then there would need to be stated use and that is where the prmiums will start to ratchet up.
Good luck mind :daumenhoch:
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Any one want this one ?
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Can you Deliver Bill. West London?
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I would love it Bill, but i would have to knock part of my house down to fit it in the garden :-[
Sean.
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i'd love that!!!!!
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And me. Is it for sale?
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if it needs a good home i could fit it in at my mtb spot :) :) :)
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Tell u what tony i will fight you for it!!!...
Err maybe not :LolLolLolLol:
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
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heh heh heh
:)
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i am in talks with my mate as to wether to do this.we are going to hunt around for a site then take it from there
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maybe 3 of us
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I've seen a few suitable properties come up around the north east london/essex areas recently that the lanlords are so desperate to rent that they are willing to grant temparery leases on (12 months) rent-free, you just have to pay the business rates/bills, its because the rules on empty commercial properties have been changed & the owners have to pay now even when empty so their pretty desperate!!
All this adds up to you being able to be pretty choosy & you should drive a hard bargain!!
Once its all up & running & established it shouldnt be too hard to get relevent insurance to start charging people to ride, just make sure to keep any liability away from any of you that own houses!!
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Are you looking for more man love then your already getting?
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Are you looking for more man love then your already getting?
there's always room for more Keith. :daumenhoch:
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Are you looking for more man love then your already getting?
I got enought to make your eyes water
there's always room for more Keith. :daumenhoch:
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Are you looking for more man love then your already getting?
I got enought to make your eyes water
there's always room for more Keith. :daumenhoch:
big boy eh? shame you're rubbish at quoting.
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just tread on his bad foot and grab his gammy neck, he'll be history.
that said i think Tony is a lover not a fighter...or that's what he keeps telling me.......
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Are you looking for more man love then your already getting?
there's always room for more Keith. :daumenhoch:
that can be rectified ... ub like your rectum :LolLolLolLol:
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if ur getting rid of it , im jus round the corner...