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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: stfc on December 23, 2008, 09:54 PM
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evening all (before i start my mini rant) deep breath.....i bought from a forum member a little over a month ago a mongoose californian and i have been amassing parts ready to build it up for a christmas pressie for my lad, all was going well up until this evening, part assembled i tried a wheel in the forks to line up brake pad height only to find that the forks are twisted... this is not obvious when a wheel isnt fitted as they are twisted from side on rather than back to front, when the wheel sits in the forks the gap is 2/3rds to the left and a third to the right if you catch my drift rather than straight down the centre with an even amount of gap both sides, im not going to slag the seller off until i have had a response from them ,but the frame set had wheels in it when it was pictured for sale(someone else had the wheels) so they obviouysly knew of the problem (they havent posted since the sale of a load of their parts inc the frame set) any how that doesnt help my fork problem.... i am desperately in need of a pair of good survivor chrome mongoose forks... its xmas eve tomorrow so i think i am pretty much stuffed as far as the goose goes as a pressie ,but i would like to get it on the road asap as i have all the parts i need..... sort of!.. is there a master fork straightener on here? or does anyone have a pair of chrome goose forks for sale,, cheers....Lee
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check the drop outs are off centre
if they are you will have to space it out with washers??
russ
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they are definately twisted , with the wheel sat 100% home in the forks, butted right in, the wheel is sat 20 deg off centre, i turned the forks upside down (off the bike) and straddled a large screwdriver across the fork drop outs and it sat pointing down at one end, i thought the depth may have been different on each drop out but they measure exactly the same....
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contact crusty on here. i sold him a trickstar that had twisted forks (or manufactured wrong) i think he sorted them
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Just a thought, where did your wheels come from, i.e who built them, check the wheel is in Dish (you would need the correct tool for this)
Watch this
http://www.ehow.com/video_2363040_how-dish-bicycle-wheel.html
Its worth a look :daumenhoch:
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thanks mate, tried the wheel on 2 other sets of forks and its 100%..
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Seems odd, do you have any pics??
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coming up....
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i have a set from a grand prix, survivors without decals, if your near blackpool come get em :daumenhoch:
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picture....(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/jj262/lambrettalee/003.jpg)
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good on the left obviously, the others are bent at the collar as if they have taken a whack from the side...
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angle at the threads, (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/jj262/lambrettalee/004.jpg)
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Fook me , thems bent to fook :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
No wonder your aint happy :'(
I would defo be in contact with the seller as regards to those things :police:
Paul :coolsmiley:
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wow.....they look more bent than jt in flip flops at mk....
have you said anything to the guy you got them from?
Dave
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wow.....they look more bent than jt in flip flops at mk....
Nah JT looks quites straight in Flip-Flops!!
He looks far gayer in this pic!! :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.ossbmxracing.co.uk/Reports/MK08/MK08Pic8.jpg)
Yep those forks are well bent to the right!! :(
What did the seller have to say?
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i have contacted the seller ,and he says he was unaware that they were bent even though the bike was built up with wheels fitted, there is no way that you could miss it as you can see, i am not going to drag his name through the dirt as he is a regular poster on here but i feel a little agrieved to say the least, i am lucky in that the mongoose expert frame set i was waiting on turned up today so i can use the forks from that to get littleuns present finished for christmas, only thing is i am a set of forks down now for the other frame, the seller has kindly "offered" me a tenner... and a big thanks to "matskybeat" who has offered to help out...
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er a tenner ??
i would assume that a refund and send them back would be the right thing to do tbo
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er a tenner ??
You can see the forks are wonky just by looking at them, let alone building them up!!
If he flogged you the F+F extremely cheaply and you want to keep the Frame then a tenner would be alright (if the forks can be unbent)!!
But he should offer you a full refund as well!! ???
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the forks can be un bent, but ur gonna need to get ur hands on some oxy acetylene gear, need to vice the forks straight down ( vertically ) with vice gaurds, and so the drop out ends sit flush on the bottom of the vice. also a 3/4 inch piece of solid bar and a large engineering square. heat the base of the steerer tube to nearly red hot, and then pull the steerer straight using the solid bar inserted in the steerer, check for straightness using the square, when ur satisfied, leave to cool naturally, dont quench in water as this can make em brittle. sounds a ball ache i know, but every college in the land would do this for you, and maybe for free.
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the forks can be un bent, but ur gonna need to get ur hands on some oxy acetylene gear, need to vice the forks straight down ( vertically ) with vice gaurds, and so the drop out ends sit flush on the bottom of the vice. also a 3/4 inch piece of solid bar and a large engineering square. heat the base of the steerer tube to nearly red hot, and then pull the steerer straight using the solid bar inserted in the steerer, check for straightness using the square, when ur satisfied, leave to cool naturally, dont quench in water as this can make em brittle. sounds a ball ache i know, but every college in the land would do this for you, and maybe for free.
i agree mate it is do-able but heating to that extent will atleast "blue" the chrome, so they will need rechromeing.. i just think a tenner is taking the piss when they **were not **described as being unusable!!
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Do you want to refund?
If goods aren't as described or there are glaring ommissions like forks are bent to fook and you pay the going rate then Name and Shame them into doing the right thing!! :daumenhoch:
At least it will make future buyer's take more notice of this sellers warez in the future!!
If its a genuine mistake on the sellers part then why not refund!! ???
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Lee,
Looking at them forks its going to be a pig of a job to get em sorted...... :(
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like i say mate , i have been offered 10 quid as a "token" as the guy was unaware that the forks were like that as he had bought it previously from someone else on here, the forks are blatantly bent and were not described as such, i wouldnt have bought the frame and fork set if it was advertised correctly, maybe it is the case and he really didnt see that they were bent but i find this hard to see, as the bike was built up and the wheel will not hold correctly in the forks, i have pm,d him again and i am waiting a response.... the frame set wasnt mega money at 75 quid, but in the condition it is minus the forks, its in my eyes not "cheap" there was a cheap repo decal set a ting tong taiwan crank with it and a chain wheel but they went in the bin...
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I think £25 would be a fair refund but then your still left with a Frame and no Forks.
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lee got a set of akisus or the standing gear copies you can borrow if you come stuck mate :)
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Wait for your response!!
If he doesn't reply in a few days or you can't settle it amicably then open it up to the 'People Forum', so Name and Shame him!!
It doesn't really matter who this guy is or how long he's been on RAD!!
Even If Rombloke or Stodgy sold me a F+F and the Forks were bent then I'd name and shame him, if we didn't get it sorted amicably!!
No one has the right to sell you shoddy goods and get away it scot free and say they didn't know about it!!!
Thats such a lame excuse!!
I hope everything turns out okay in the end!! :daumenhoch:
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end of the day they were bent
dont care wat anyone syas
if they cant tell there bent ,,,they need geggs
r
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lee got a set of akisus or the standing gear copies you can borrow if you come stuck mate :)
very kind mate, its not a massive urgency now ive used the expert forks, i will swap them over when i manage to find another set... havent heard anymore but its christmas so will hang on a while, cheers all...
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"RAG AND BONE"
Thats the only use for them.
Do they look like they have been bent in "use" or just badly produced.
Worthless either way!
Ad :daumenhoch:
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I think £25 would be a fair refund but then your still left with a Frame and no Forks.
yeah, 25 should cover the cost of a re chrome too.
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you should be prepared to send it all back though. Maybe the seller didn't know. trial by media is not the way forward. Do your deal with the seller, but if he offers you a refund for the whole kit then that's his option too. You don't really get to pick and choose what you ant out the complete deal just because you've posted your complaint on here before you've sorted everything out. i could imagine missing that the forks were bent being bent that way, after all you didn't notice untill you came to build it more so untill you put a wheel in. maybe the package was squashed in transit. We're jumping the gun here a bit. Not sticking up for anybody, including you. Time for the seller to say his piece me thinks. Where are the pics of the built up bike before you bought it, you should be able to see if the wheel is c0cked over to one side easy enough. We shouldn't pass judgement with half a story.
merry christmas :)
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oh, and don't be afraid to say who it is, it's up to him to defend himself. Hopefully it won't decend into a shitty arsed slanging match but get sorted like 2 adults.
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i pm,d him offering to send it all back , not a problem , he offered a tenner to cover the forks, i am waiting a response after pming him again....
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oh, and don't be afraid to say who it is, it's up to him to defend himself. Hopefully it won't decend into a shitty arsed slanging match but get sorted like 2 adults.
deffo , must have knew they were bent when built , sorry for negativity but this kinda shite shouldn't happen on here , cant see how he can defend himself sending em out them like that
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Just logged on i sold this frame and forks
I bought it from Dave Villa a few months ago it came intact as a frame and forks with head set i didnt strip it an rebuild it i put a set of wheels.stem ect on it it seemed fine i didnt notice the forks were bent because it i did i would have mentioned this in my post
i am not out to mislead or rip anyone off some of you have bought stuff off me at a fair price and hopefully been happy with the items
judging by feed back this is the case
i sold this frame forks unknowly bent headset crank bb and a nos snowflake chainring and full set of decals for £58 after postage
you kept pm ing me re frame and wanted it for f@uck all truth be told
send me it ALL back and i will refund you
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thanks for the response eamonn, £75 minus the £9 on the postage label equates to 66 in my estimation, little too late to return now as its been given to my lad for xmas ,but wish you,d said that when i offered to return the lot the other day and you kindly offered me 10 quid, any how, im gonna draw a line under it and live and learn, i can not see how it was so unnoticable,merry xmas(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/jj262/lambrettalee/001-1.jpg)
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TBH looking at that pic, its looks like a friday afternoon job to me, just seems as if no jig was used, check the right hand fork leg weld compared to the left, looks on the piss to me?
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TBH looking at that pic, its looks like a friday afternoon job to me, just seems as if no jig was used, check the right hand fork leg weld compared to the left, looks on the piss to me?
theyve definately taken a whack at some point, look at the gap either side of the wheel, its unrideable, that would have never got through quality control,
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Eamonn has offered a refund!! :)
Theres no denying the forks are fooked!!
I know Eamonn and he's a good lad!!
And he's not the sort to screw someone over for a small amount of money (or a large amount of money either)!! Life is too short for that!!
You knew that returning the F+F was a possible option so its up to you to decide!!
If you decide to keep it then this deal is sorted!! :daumenhoch:
What with MADD DOGG's and stfc sour deals over the last few days, it pays to make your descriptions accurate and list any flaws too. Check your goods thoroughly before they are despatched. Make sure you have recent piccys when you sell, epecially if its a rider.
They might come in handy if your goods get damaged in transit or if there is some mud slinging after the deal!! :daumenhoch:
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just file the left hand dropout as you look at it in that last pic, that will level up the holes. no biggy and make sure the dropouts are straight first, they look pretty bent from here. looks like a shitty production fault.
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just file the left hand dropout as you look at it in that last pic, that will level up the holes. no biggy and make sure the dropouts are straight first, they look pretty bent from here. looks like a shitty production fault.
Nah, that wouldn't work!!
The Steerer tube isn't parallel to the forks so it will always be off!!
If you get the wheel to sit in the forks correctly then it would not be perpendicular to the ground (it will spin at an angle).
:(
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just get it square with the steerer and use a couple of washers. i reckon a bit of hand bending wouldn't go a miss either before you start. they're not that strong.
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I thought you were an engineer or summat!!
How would that help?
You'll never get them to look right until the steerer is aligned to the forks!!
Best bet is to find a building site.
Locate a scaffold tower with some scaffold tubing sticking horizontally out and put ya steerer tube in it (BTW I haven't a clue whether they'd fit in/over a scaffold pole)!!
Then hang off one of the forks until it bends back into shape!!
You might have to do some proper swinging about (ape stylee) or use one of your fat mates to get them to bend!!
Hey presto, job done!!
All of the above is a joke BTW!! :LolLolLolLol:
Until the steerer is Parallel to the forks then any other mod is unwarranted!!
Thats the first step as thats what rotates the forks!
If you can't rotate the forks evenly all the way around then you wont be able to ride it properly!! :daumenhoch:
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steerer needs to be paralell with the wheel. the fork legs have got f all to do with it. I am an engineer. And if you attack them with a scaffold tube, you will probably kink the forks and then can file them under B for bin. A 3 to 4 foot piece of tubing with a bore just big enough to pass over the dropout and some packing between fork leg and tube, then gentle pressure, no swinging on it. I reckon i would start by trying to get the trolly jack between the fork legs and prize them open a tad. Or, a reversible clamp to open them up.
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steerer needs to be paralell with the wheel. the fork legs have got f all to do with it. I am an engineer. And if you attack them with a scaffold tube, you will probably kink the forks and then can file them under B for bin. A 3 to 4 foot piece of tubing with a bore just big enough to pass over the dropout and some packing between fork leg and tube, then gentle pressure, no swinging on it. I reckon i would start by trying to get the trolly jack between the fork legs and prize them open a tad. Or, a reversible clamp to open them up.
I was joking about the scaffold!!! :crazy2:
The steerer does need to be parallel with the wheel!!
But it also should be aligned with the steerer otherwise it will be offset!!
IMO!, No amount of washers on one side will get that alignment!!
The forks are just too far out of whack!!
I used my BB Cup press to prise open some forks by putting the big washers on the outside with the nuts/handles on the inside. It worked a treat!!
Once one arm is correctly positioned then you can try bending the other one towards the good un!! :daumenhoch:
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too much hassle, id bin em, or ebay on the usa site,, :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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true, i'd just send it all back. fooked is fooked.
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Right hand fork leg (as you look at that pic) needs to come outwards a fair way, then the wheel can be spaced to the centre of its opening, hopefully directly under the steerer.
I seem to recall doing this A LOT with oldschool stuff.
It does look bloody awful.
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it's not very pleasing to the eye :crazy2: but it can be sorted. it cost you almost nothing so have a go. you can always replace the forks if you bungle the job.
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they are bent from the side and the top tube threaded section is leaning to the opposite side, i think it would be a mission to get them straight, i just cant see how it could be missed in the 1st place.......
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Seeing as they're U/S anyway you have nothing to loose.
If you used heat on them you would need to get the shoulder very hot - bright red, to be able to straighten them up and put a bend back in. Youd have to push the leg up towards the steering tube as you did it to do this.
If you just heat the leg up and bend it open all you will do is put a kink in the shoulder as the tube collapsed.
A lit bit of TLC needed and you MAY get away with it. Definately hot over cold though.
The finish would need sorting after mind. Good luck mate.
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Seeing as the dropout is bent it points to them getting damaged in transit. IMO.
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it's not very pleasing to the eye :crazy2: but it can be sorted. it cost you almost nothing so have a go. you can always replace the forks if you bungle the job.
very true. still a nice frame
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I live round the corner from Eamonn and just before he packed it for postage the pair of us jumped up and down on the forks for several minutes to bend them. Only jokin'. ;) .Seriously, Eamonn is ok. Its certainly not intentional. I have seen some of his builds and sometimes I have had to point out that a saddle is on upside down.... :D
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i wouldn't want to ride them if you put a lot of heat in them. it will alter the structure of the steel. not reccomended. Ok for a show bike, not for a rider.
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Might be worth having a word with our man that can, Sawzall to see if he can help out al all :-\.