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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: JAY on January 10, 2009, 08:05 PM
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Just incase any of you guys are bidding on this,its not a Haro.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1982-HARO-FREESTYLER-FRAME-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX_W0QQitemZ110335658036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item110335658036&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1982-HARO-FREESTYLER-FRAME-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX_W0QQitemZ110335658036QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item110335658036&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
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he's a member on here.....
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Can you explain why it's not a haro!
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Seat tube a little long
Can't really see the gusset :(
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Seat tube too high and chainstays meet the BB higher aswell.
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Thanks guys and keen eyes :daumenhoch:
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I haven't a clue about Haro's!! :(
There's a load of bids on it!! ???
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/29/83/9d2d_1.JPG)
Somebody post a pic of real one for comparison!!
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I haven't a clue about Haro's!! :(
There's a load of bids on it!! ???
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/29/83/9d2d_1.JPG)
Somebody post a pic of real one for comparison!!
Yeh and up to £350 so far :shocked:
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thats my pal barry ( quadangle freestyle ) on here, he is a proper honest chap and i'm sure he would not be selling tat . maybe give him a chance to reply before rubbishing him .
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Phew thought you were posting about mine :LolLolLolLol:, Barry is a good dude so hold back until he posts :)
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yep ive dealt with baz as well seems very genuine
but watch that bigfrawg ;)
hes a plumber enough said lol
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Maybe he doesn't relise himself, I've seen this happen plenty of times,but its definetly not a Haro .
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Either way he can't spell :LolLolLolLol:
Daz.
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thats my pal barry ( quadangle freestyle ) on here, he is a proper honest chap and i'm sure he would not be selling tat . maybe give him a chance to reply before rubbishing him .
Yeh thought it was him as he's got the same ebay user name
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thats my pal barry ( quadangle freestyle ) on here, he is a proper honest chap and i'm sure he would not be selling tat . maybe give him a chance to reply before rubbishing him .
Is he here then, it says in the listing he won't be back until the listing has finished ???
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them forks definately aint haro !!!:2funny:
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them forks definately aint haro !!!:2funny:
:LolLolLolLol: Didn't think it would be long before someone says that :daumenhoch:
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He was online on ere this morning... :-\
I thought that frame looked a bit suspect but Baz seems to know his stuff so took it as legit
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The real deal...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/SSA52374.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/SSA52373.jpg)
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
and going cheap !! ;)
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
and going cheap !! ;)
Love you Matt ya Handsome devil
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I would never have spotted the chainstay to BB thing :-[ nice work Jay :4_17_5:
:coolsmiley:
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
You fooker!!!
You didn't tell me you were selling that.
I wanted that.
Daz. >:(
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Dazzler, its still here mate just waiting for you. Although i think another Radster is very close to buying it. Anyway its been on for sale thread for past 3 days ya blind fooker :LolLolLolLol:
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
You fooker!!!
You didn't tell me you were selling that.
I wanted that.
Daz. >:(
::)
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=78146.0
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Dazzler, its still here mate just waiting for you. Although i think another Radster is very close to buying it. Anyway its been on for sale thread for past 3 days ya blind fooker :LolLolLolLol:
Alright yer b@stards!
Trades for my sport Paul :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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I would n't dream of bidding on any Gen 1 till I knew the serial number
There were some very good replicas made back in the 80's
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Dazzler, its still here mate just waiting for you. Although i think another Radster is very close to buying it. Anyway its been on for sale thread for past 3 days ya blind fooker :LolLolLolLol:
Alright yer b@stards!
Trades for my sport Paul :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
I cant Daz, i need the money to send my young family over to Africa to look for some Blood diamonds. I have some mint Haro Vector bars to ::)
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Dazzler, its still here mate just waiting for you. Although i think another Radster is very close to buying it. Anyway its been on for sale thread for past 3 days ya blind fooker :LolLolLolLol:
Alright yer b@stards!
Trades for my sport Paul :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
I cant Daz, i need the money to send my young family over to Africa to look for some Blood diamonds. I have some mint Haro Vector bars to ::)
It's a good job I don't like them then dude, I much prefer my NOS rarer than rare Action Zone's ::)
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Well he has been on and looked at this thread, must be gutting if he had not realized :-\. Still he has to pull that on Ebay now :10_2_12:
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How many times have we seen posts like this? I don't know for sure but this is a fair few away from the first time.
Is it an educated member of this community trying to slip one into your unsuspecting ebaying public only to get fingered by your ever vigilant old skool bmx forum police? :police:
or just your ignorant noob that didn't have a clue? :crazy2:
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ok lads .. round the troops up :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: bagsy going in wardy and munners truck with any luck they will end up shooting each other :D .. if baza genuinely hasnt pick`d up that its a "shifty one" maybe he has passed out in shock reading this ..somone best get round there :-\ tip: .. if no one is there gis the nod .. i`ll get the range rover reversed up thru the door and we can play the "smash "n" grab" vs the "super market sweep" game :coolsmiley: damn i must stop drinkin now :-[
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Yeah, come on Quadangle freestyle, do yourself a favor before we send in the heavy squad. :buck2:
It must have been hard to miss all those threads on how to validate that Haro Freestyler you've had for 20 years which you couldn't decide to sell till the week you went away.
Just the facts ma'am. :D
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ok lads .. round the troops up :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: bagsy going in wardy and munners truck with any luck they will end up shooting each other :D .. if baza genuinely hasnt pick`d up that its a "shifty one" maybe he has passed out in shock reading this ..somone best get round there :-\ tip: .. if no one is there gis the nod .. i`ll get the range rover reversed up thru the door and we can play the "smash "n" grab" vs the "super market sweep" game :coolsmiley: damn i must stop drinkin now :-[
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: I can honestly say Lee thats the the first time ya med me laugh , maybe , just maybe ya do have a sense of humour ??? and your not just this bmx building humanoid after all :LolLolLolLol: joking aside maybe barry is in shock and bit embarrassed to reply , he deffo read this thread last night , hope it is cause he didn't realise :-\
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still on ebay ;D some poor fookers gonna get there fingers burnt
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:-X If i was selling that i would list the serial to make it more attractive. Seller seems spot on so he must be unaware. :-\
However it could be a more outrageous attempt for a sale than Baldbmxers BATTERED tech3's for £15 per lever :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :2funny: :2funny:
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:-X If i was selling that i would list the serial to make it more attractive. Seller seems spot on so he must be unaware. :-\
However it could be a more outrageous attempt for a sale than Baldbmxers BATTERED tech3's for £15 per lever :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :2funny: :2funny:
nick if you was selling it this would be on page 75 by now ;D
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I would have been hung drawn and quartered mate and called every name under the sun.
I would also have JJ making outrageous remarks about my mum too.
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Baz is a top bloke, but he's a car dealer. Nuff said.
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I would have been hung drawn and quartered mate and called every name under the sun.
I would also have JJ making outrageous remarks about my mum too.
BOO FOOKING HOO Moaners
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Do i put something on my Sale about the other snidey Haro ???? that should let ppl know ???
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Dont air your dirty washing. You just cant let it go with me can you. Never spoke to you before and i even sold you an item recently so my prices cant be that steep! :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: Surely that makes you a hypocrite. Change the record. It is REALLY boring me and everyone else.
Read your pm and understand it.
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Dont air your dirty washing. You just cant let it go with me can you. Never spoke to you before and i even sold you an item recently so my prices cant be that steep! :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: Surely that makes you a hypocrite. Change the record. It is REALLY boring me and everyone else.
Read your pm and understand it.
What did i say :shocked:
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Very dissapointing this, he's been on and looked at this thread, I saw him last night looking. So firstly he's failed to reply and secondly it's still for sale as a genuine Gen 1......a bit naughty if you ask me!!!
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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haro, you've been warned.
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If you check the bids out you will see someone has retracted a bid for £650 :shocked:
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Do i put something on my Sale about the other snidey Haro ???? that should let ppl know ???
I would... :daumenhoch:
I'd also include freestyler in the main title, search haro freestyler and yours doesnt come up.
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JOB done, shame as i like Barry, but i would hate to buy that and find out after :daumenhoch:
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Baz mentioned on one of his sale threads that he was packing in bmx
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=77698.0
Maybe he's aware its a copy and is cashing in on it... :-\
It wasnt offered for sale on ere first... it would have been sussed as a copy straight away
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has it been reported to ebay?
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Very dissapointing this, he's been on and looked at this thread, I saw him last night looking.
He was looking at the thread this morning at 10am too :police:
:coolsmiley:
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I reckon he will pull the listing. ;)
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I reckon he will pull the listing. ;)
he should do Nick , but will he , something s twanging his conscience cause he keeps reading this thread , hope he does
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unless if someone want to be generous and saved someones hard earned cash from a fake frame someone should risk it by putting in an OTT bid of 2grands or more to "win" the frame and not pay. Just think about it how would you feel bidding on something you think its genuine but its not, i would be totally gutted and upset!
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unless if someone want to be generous and saved someones hard earned cash from a fake frame someone should risk it by putting in an OTT bid of 2grands or more to "win" the frame and not pay. Just think about it how would you feel bidding on something you think its genuine but its not, i would be totally gutted and upset!
We are right behind you mate ,,
Bid away , go on :daumenhoch:
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unless if someone want to be generous and saved someones hard earned cash from a fake frame someone should risk it by putting in an OTT bid of 2grands or more to "win" the frame and not pay. Just think about it how would you feel bidding on something you think its genuine but its not, i would be totally gutted and upset!
We are right behind you mate ,,
Bid away , go on :daumenhoch:
i would do it but am just new to my ebay just bought 12 items :-[ :-[
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If someone did buy it and then afterwards realised it was a fake and raised a Paypal dispute this is what Paypal would ask of you, I know this because the mrs bought some snide perfume :(
It says it is up to you to prove it is fake and get evidence from an unbiased third party etc. I suppose that could be quite a few people on here ;)
Its our aim to work with you to resolve your claim as quickly and easilyas possible. To do so its important that we have all the necessaryinformation. Thats why we ask you to fax us documentation to support yourclaim that the item you received wasnt authentic.
We suggest that you obtain written proof from an unbiased third-party, suchas a dealer, appraiser, or organisation qualified in the area of the itemin question (other than yourself), which clearly identifies the item as notauthentic. It should be clear from the document how the item you receiveddiffers from an authentic one. It should also give a detailed explanationof how the person evaluating the item determined that its not authentic.Its important that the document is on a letterhead which includes thename, address, and phone number of the business or organisation so we cancontact them if necessary. Where possible also include a serial number
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I spoke to Baz on the phone about this, he is a really nice bloke and had a nice long chat about stuff BITD also. I was going to buy it but the bids were racking up and I felt its only fair that he makes some cash from it for his track day car. I'm sure barry is truthful and honest about how he came to acquire this frame and from the sounds of it, his had this frame for a very, very long time. It has also been rechromedand restored so I'm sure nobody would put money into a real fake one ???. For more info as I really ain't getting involved, best to let Barry talk about it. I don't honestly think he would go out to deceive anyone. Best he says his part on this and try and resolve this.
Matt :)
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I spoke to Baz on the phone about this, he is a really nice bloke and had a nice long chat about stuff BITD also. I was going to buy it but the bids were racking up and I felt its only fair that he makes some cash from it for his track day car. I'm sure barry is truthful and honest about how he came to acquire this frame and from the sounds of it, his had this frame for a very, very long time. It has also been rechromedand restored so I'm sure nobody would put money into a real fake one ???. For more info as I really ain't getting involved, best to let Barry talk about it. I don't honestly think he would go out to deceive anyone. Best he says his part on this and try and resolve this.
Matt :)
well said matt
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Right every body :wtf: is going on? i ebay an item and i get nothing but shit from a linch mob :knuppel2:,before anybody gets the true facts.i realy shouldnt have to justify myself but i am going to do so anyway for what its worth,in your eyes probably nothing.I got this frame around 22 years ago as a haro freestyler .Every body is saying that its a fake,prove it i bought it in good faith as a pre prouction mock-up (1 of 7) from an ex torker factory employe thats why it has no serial number because it was not suposed to get into general cerculation (THATS NOT BULL,THATS FACT).it came with no decals,yes i had it rechromed and stickered up that cost me £182 in total alot of money to spend on a copy frame dont you think? So thats it in short but If you still have a problem with my item or me please dont hide behind your keyboards phone me on 07527287686 or even come round to my house for a chat as i have nothing to hide.Please note that i was still going to use "RAD" to keep intouch with the nice friendly people that i have met on here but after this sort of treatment by alot of you ,sorry to say its changed my mind for good.Best regards Barry. P.s Thank you to the guys that have spooken up for me,True old school BMXers stick together. :daumenhoch:
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:-X Know how you feel.
However...............JAY is a Haro man though Baz, so i am sure he will be happy to know what you have. He wouldnt have started this thread to single you out.
You should put its rarerity in the listing as i reckon you would TREBLE your money if it is what you say.
Glad you stepped forward.
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Cheers nick :) ,i didnt want to put that in the listing as it just looks like a load of bullsh1t :( i just listed it as what it is,short and sweet.
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Remember the NOS TA???
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=77695.msg790389#msg790389
God loves a trier, sorry chancer. ::)
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You say it's 'FACT' dude but have you got any evidence to back up your story. I'd be hard pushed to believe you without any documentation etc. to help your cause.
Daz. :daumenhoch:
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have you got any evidense to say its a so called fake? if not stop accuseing me.Its simple realy if you think its fake DONT BID.And for Dan-Dares comment about "SORRY CHANCER" :wtf: Are you on about are you saying that the NOS ta was not NOS,Well the rad member that bought it would tell you other wise,again get your facts right before you accuse people of things,this is getting realy sad now.
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Sorry barry, but the only fact is its a fake. Thats some bs story about pre production, either by yourself or an ex torker guy
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And surely something so rare deserves a mention in the listing. That is not a torker/haro in any shape or form.
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How do you know that it realy is a bullsh1t story have you any evidense? Are you a know it all about bmx ? or are you just guessing like most of the others.?
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Barry you are doing yourself no favours here. You are totally wrong in your belief that this is some kind of rare haro. The scary thing is some mug may be ripped off by you. People are telling you the truth here, yet your trying to cling onto this rare torker/haro bs. Are you happy to rip someone off, when you now know this is not a haro. If its as rare as you say, why didnt you mention this in the listing, the only time you are mentioning this is when your called out on it. Give people credit where its due, you are in the wrong, not them
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Well i have said my piece so you can bitch off about me behind my back like a load of old washer women till the cows come home i just dont care anymore,the linch :knuppel2: mob has spoken and what they say goes.I have had enougth of this thread and this site. :'(
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Isn't the point that without some sort of proof it's just a "story".
You don't know it's true any more than anyone else knows it's false.
The 1 of 7 smells a lot like bullshit from what I know of those times though...
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might get shot down for saying this but is it such a bull story that this could be a very early one?. i remember the skyway ta with solid dropouts not that long ago that was confirmed by skyway as a early prototype? dont know the 1st thing about gen1's or what to look for but anything is possible.
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if not stop accuseing me
Dude, I haven't accused you of anything yet, I simply asked a sensible question! There's more reasons to believe it is fake that evidence to say it is not. Surely it would have had a serial number on it, pre-production run or not. Also, as has already been mentioned, why haven't you put this in the listing? I know if it was mine and I was 100% sure of it's origins I would have it in in big massive red letters!
I don't think it's about whether I want or don't want to bid on it. It's about parting some unsuspecting honest person from their hard earned cash with NO evidence what-so-ever to suggest it is genuine.
Daz.
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might get shot down for saying this but is it such a bull story that this could be a very early one?. i remember the skyway ta with solid dropouts not that long ago that was confirmed by skyway as a early prototype? dont know the 1st thing about gen1's or what to look for but anything is possible.
The frame looks like fake ones, it does not look like gen 1 haros. the longer seat tube, the way the chainstays meet the bb and the headtube are dead giveaways. Or did the people who made the fakes know something else, and actually make better copys than we ever thought. I think not
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Its a real shame Dom ( Phyppsio) doesn't post on RAD anymore as he may have a bit more info on this topic.
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Wasn't someone talking to Bob Haro on facebook the other week?
See what the man himself says. >:D
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Baz you could post some pics on ere for all to see and judge for themselves, under the front gusset for example...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/SSA52368.jpg)
Serial number, i'd be very wary of one of these without one.. :-\
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/SSA52359.jpg)
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Indeed Andy :(, Dom is a top man and has excellent knowledge of Haro's just like Jay too.
Its a real shame Dom ( Phyppsio) doesn't post on RAD anymore as he may have a bit more info on this topic.
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did anybody save the picture of dj holding the original gen one drawings ?
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h10/fish116/rattlesnake.jpg)
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Indeed Andy :(, Dom is a top man and has excellent knowledge of Haro's just like Jay too.
Its a real shame Dom ( Phyppsio) doesn't post on RAD anymore as he may have a bit more info on this topic.
jay is the ob1 of haro knowledge, even bob phones him for tips
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Ok,Baz,didn't know the frame belonged to anyone on here and wanted to stop people buying what i believe 100% is a early 80's copy frame which i have come across before,so just here to help both sides,i'm not on here for a slagging match.
Up till now every Gen 1 that has been found has a serial no.
Every Gen 1 found has had the same dimensions as per the original drawings done by Bob Haro.
There is a few pics i've seen over the years with minor differences,Bobs original frame seems to have no knurling on the rear dropouts and the early gen 1's aren't welded under the front gusset.Other than that the dimensions are all the same......yours is different,have a close look at the drawing,i just find it hard to believe Torker made any of these frames totally different to the drawings.
If you wanna post some pics of yours ,i would love to see it up close,and if you can prove me wrong ,then so be it,i would love to believe there was prototype frame made by torker that didn't meet up to thre drawings,but only going from what i've learned over the past ten years collecting thse framesets.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/harodesign.jpg)
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My Gen1 that I got from surrey skateboards in 1982 did not have a serial number
does that mean it was a copy :shocked:
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Are you 100% positive it didn't have a serial no...........
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My Gen1 that I got from surrey skateboards in 1982 did not have a serial number
does that mean it was a copy :shocked:
yep proper tat, are u sure it wasnt a quickie wheelchair ?
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Quickie wheelchair, ....lmao ;D ;D ;D
My Gen1 that I got from surrey skateboards in 1982 did not have a serial number
does that mean it was a copy :shocked:
yep proper tat, are u sure it wasnt a quickie wheelchair ?
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JJ & Nick.......................... do us a favour and go play on the motorway :police:
soz, i no nish about Haro ;)
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yep proper tat, are u sure it wasnt a quickie wheelchair ?
cracker :2funny:
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Defo 100% sure I use to keep all the serial numbers of the bikes I owned and still have the numbers (sad I know)
My gen1 did not have a serial Fact
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get some photocopies of them drawings jay please? i will have a set... :daumenhoch:
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JJ and Nick - Enough !
No more on threads ok
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Defo 100% sure I use to keep all the serial numbers of the bikes I owned and still have the numbers (sad I know)
My gen1 did not have a serial Fact
Oh dear hope you didn't pay too much for it buddy :shocked:
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Defo 100% sure I use to keep all the serial numbers of the bikes I owned and still have the numbers (sad I know)
My gen1 did not have a serial Fact
Oh dear hope you didn't pay too much for it buddy :shocked:
Did not think I would have got turned over at
surrey skateboards but you guys know best :-\
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Lee you still got your Gen 1 mate? ???
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Defo 100% sure I use to keep all the serial numbers of the bikes I owned and still have the numbers (sad I know)
My gen1 did not have a serial Fact
Oh dear hope you didn't pay too much for it buddy :shocked:
Did not think I would have got turned over at
surrey skateboards but you guys know best :-\
dont worry lee it did the normal haro thing.............snap
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Lee you still got your Gen 1 mate? ???
No mate swapped it for a Proclass bitd just think I was riding that same gen1 with Bob Haro at the NEC
think the twat would have told me it was a fake :-[
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still on ebay, 25 bids, £350, 7 days to go :shocked:
if it is a fake and it sells for a lot of £££ the :10_2_12:
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Wasn't someone talking to Bob Haro on facebook the other week?
See what the man himself says. >:D
like he'd really give a SH!T :LolLolLolLol:
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Lee Shurey - I also got my Freestyler from Surrey Skates, but in '83 (I think). It deffo had a serial number.....
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the seller is a conman, he came on stating when he was selling his ta that he had owned it since the 80's, thats bullsh1t and I know that for a fact, then he spouts some story regarding his gen 1 which is also shite.
I feel sorry for the people that have spoke up for him as he has led them a merry dance and for what?? is money really that important, I would rather have my integrity than a few hundred pounds.
I hope the guy is true to his word and leaves the world of os bmx as its a far better place without people like him in it,
to the seller if you want my number send me a pm and I will give it to you and I will tell you why I know your full of sh1t
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the seller is a conman, he came on stating when he was selling his ta that he had owned it since the 80's, thats bullsh1t and I know that for a fact, then he spouts some story regarding his gen 1 which is also shite.
I feel sorry for the people that have spoke up for him as he has led them a merry dance and for what?? is money really that important, I would rather have my integrity than a few hundred pounds.
I hope the guy is true to his word and leaves the world of os bmx as its a far better place without people like him in it,
to the seller if you want my number send me a pm and I will give it to you and I will tell you why I know your full of sh1t
The best piece of sense written in this thread so far. If it smells like bullshit, its normally bullshit
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I dont know the seller, and I dont particularly know much about haro's, but after 10 years on ebay I know a little bit about how shady auctions work.
Firstly list your item with just enough info and vauguish photos for unsuspecting buyers to take the bait. State you are away from your computer for just enough time for the auction to end (making potential buyers bid without being able to ask questions), and finally list your auction with private bidders (so those blasted do-gooders cant mess up your evil plan).
Get all three right and you are onto a winner.
Unless someone who knows better opens up a fake ebay account in order to bid on a fake bike???
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And people want to give him the benefit of doubt. Some still wondering wether its actually a haro. FFS its not a haro, in any shape or form. The seller knows this also, if it was some kind of rare haro this would have been mentioned on the listing.
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wanna buy a Torino??
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/131846762_367379b6b7.jpg)
End of. :2funny:
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not sure if this has been mentioned but why cant the seller replie to emails till after the auction end ?? .. but can float in and out of rad to read all this ??
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And able to remove bids from ebay also.
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has nobody reported it to the bay masters?
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Shame about it all really, Dan did the do it in four door ::) :LolLolLolLol:
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I cant see what ebay would do, you would have to be able to prove to them its fake. They wouldnt be able to understand the differences
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Shame about it all really, Dan did the do it in four door ::) :LolLolLolLol:
It's OrgasmDonor's week-end car. Classy. :daumenhoch:
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wanna buy a Torino??
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/52/131846762_367379b6b7.jpg)
End of. :2funny:
is it 1980s nos ;D
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beware genuine gen 1's. they have more than doubled in price very quickly. that usually spells trouble for your wallet. you might get left with a frame with more negative equity than a house.
it's called the 'ripper' syndrome.
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has stuff listed under another login now too. look out for black mx's with black quick release ::)
would recognise that spelling anywhere :LolLolLolLol:
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I also think that if this was a 'Rare' pre-production Gen 1 built by Torker......do you not think he would have mentioned on here at some point. After all, it is and old school bmx site, but I'd hate to be picky. ::)
Daz.
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The end..........(one of the other 6 maybe?)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/q66/harogenone/copyharo.jpg)
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So whats the deal with the head tubes then?
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Thought I'd just chip in here, not on the authenticity of the Haro but having worked in the bike industry all my life, weird sh1t does happen.
I rode for Revcore and had them make me a frame with tweaked geometry and double dropouts, if that ever turns up on ebay will it be labelled a fake because no-one on this site ever knew I had it made? I've been to bike factorys like GT where you'd see weird prototypes of stuff like Ttitanium Robinsons, I think they made like two of them for factory riders to try, would that be shot down as fakes because only a few pwople knew they existed? When I worked for Cannondale, i saw some crazy stuff in the R&D plant, what if some guy nicked some stuff before he left and it turns up one day?
The thing is with the net, you can google stuff and ANYTHING on it will turn up (I just did it with the titanium robinsons) so the chances of not having some trace of something is limited.
I reckon this bloke does have fake, he might not know it, but keep an open mind guys, crazy stuff happens every day.....
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i got one in the loft, so that's one more and....
it comes with a genuine lock of bob's permed hair. here's the proof that it's genuine bob hair.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j87/townytownsend/johnlennonshairyw2.jpg)
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I think I just sh1t myself laughing so hard at that one JT! Classic!
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Lee Shurey - I also got my Freestyler from Surrey Skates, but in '83 (I think). It deffo had a serial number.....
there was lots of haro fakes in surrey bitd as i know where they came from ie who sold them , i should have bought one years ago as might be no 3 ;D
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Lee Shurey - I also got my Freestyler from Surrey Skates, but in '83 (I think). It deffo had a serial number.....
there was lots of haro fakes in surrey bitd as i know where they came from ie who sold them , i should have bought one years ago as might be no 3 ;D
Who was that Paul? Interesting.....
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i got one in the loft, so that's one more and....
it comes with a genuine lock of bob's permed hair. here's the proof that it's genuine bob hair.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j87/townytownsend/johnlennonshairyw2.jpg)
mate tyhat was funny youve just cheered up my Monday morning cheers!
on a serious note, so many people have seen this now that "someone" with a dodgy ebay account will have sniped this by now so no one gets stung wouldnt they?? ::)
that way he can relist it and put all this info in the listing
only fair eh!! :daumenhoch:
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has stuff listed under another login now too. look out for black mx's with black quick release ::)
would recognise that spelling anywhere :LolLolLolLol:
::)
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=77888.0
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DIA-COMPE-MX1000-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BLACK-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX_W0QQitemZ190279669341QQihZ009QQcategoryZ27949QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:coolsmiley:
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Reading the post on the TA i knew it was an 86 recent made one. As he stated he had it since 87 it does make me doubt the story behind the Haro which is a real shame. :'(
If there were 7 of these framesets, surely we would have known about them by now, what with all of the knowledge gained over the years.
I think that he needs to pull the listing and list it again as a possible rare frameset mentioning that Haro experts have questioned its rareity.
Alot of decent blokes are gonna have egg on their face if not Baz as they have all backed you up mate.
Do the right thing. :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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Those newly built 'NOS' T/A's have the same fork dropout on both sides so are easy to spot...one of the dropouts will have the knurling and the the skyway stamp on the inside of the fork leg. They were made sometime around 2002 as I remember getting one in the shop in 03.
As for the Haro, I reckon a lot of us could quite easily have bought a fake back in the day.....none of us scrutinised our purchases with the magnifying glass we do these days. Parts were never 100% perfect back then but you didn't care. Now, if there is a mark on your NOS MX1000's you are pissed off.
Thing is, the fakes make good money too....and some of them are pretty damn good.
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im swaying to its a fake , barry seems adamant it aint , surely the right think for him to do is put it in his listing that the authenticity has been questioned then put his side ,then its down to the bidders then , but to just leave it as it is don't seem fair on peeps bidding on it
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has stuff listed under another login now too. look out for black mx's with black quick release ::)
would recognise that spelling anywhere :LolLolLolLol:
::)
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=77888.0
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DIA-COMPE-MX1000-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BLACK-OLD-SCHOOL-BMX_W0QQitemZ190279669341QQihZ009QQcategoryZ27949QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
:coolsmiley:
hmmmmmmmmmm !! ::)
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im swaying to its a fake , barry seems adamant it aint , surely the right think for him to do is put it in his listing that the authenticity has been questioned then put his side ,then its down to the bidders then , but to just leave it as it is don't seem fair on peeps bidding on it
In my mind it is so clearly a copy !
Q-F has been on here, yet has not published the serial number, or posted additional photos, I'd say the ball is in his court to prove its real....
..and what is the rear caliper hiding ? The fact that the seatmast is too-tall, the chainstays are welded to the bottom bracket; too high, nearly right in the middle, whereas Haro welded them very low, near the bottom of the BB.
a Prototype eh ! :LolLolLolLol: ::)
I think JAY and the like know their Haro's ! I saw Jay and Dom's Haro display at MK and would not question their viewpoint on this, so I go with FAKE !!
What does our man in the US, Dansharos think ?
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im swaying to its a fake , barry seems adamant it aint , surely the right think for him to do is put it in his listing that the authenticity has been questioned then put his side ,then its down to the bidders then , but to just leave it as it is don't seem fair on peeps bidding on it
In my mind it is so clearly a copy !
Q-F has been on here, yet has not published the serial number, or posted additional photos, I'd say the ball is in his court to prive its real....
..and what is the rear caliper hiding ? The fact that the seatmast is too-tall, the chainstays are welded to the bottom bracket; too high, nearly right in the middle, whereas Haro welded them very low, near the bottom of the BB.
a Prototype eh ! :LolLolLolLol: ::)
I think JAY and the like know their Haro's ! I saw Jay and Dom's Haro display at MK and would not question their viewpoint on this, so I go with FAKE !!
What does our man in the US, Dansharos think ?
was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
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My take is this, Barry was on Viewing this topic at least 3 times before he posted the Prototype malarky. If it was true then he would have been posting straight away to put it straight.
The bike is a fake wether Barry knows it or not
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im swaying to its a fake , barry seems adamant it aint , surely the right think for him to do is put it in his listing that the authenticity has been questioned then put his side ,then its down to the bidders then , but to just leave it as it is don't seem fair on peeps bidding on it
In my mind it is so clearly a copy !
Q-F has been on here, yet has not published the serial number, or posted additional photos, I'd say the ball is in his court to prive its real....
..and what is the rear caliper hiding ? The fact that the seatmast is too-tall, the chainstays are welded to the bottom bracket; too high, nearly right in the middle, whereas Haro welded them very low, near the bottom of the BB.
a Prototype eh ! :LolLolLolLol: ::)
I think JAY and the like know their Haro's ! I saw Jay and Dom's Haro display at MK and would not question their viewpoint on this, so I go with FAKE !!
What does our man in the US, Dansharos think ?
was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
i know you were Carl :daumenhoch: just needed to say my bit !! :)
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ok its a fake , the main thing is what can be done about it being sold as not , fooking someones gonna get stung and it ain t right
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Only Baz can do it.
Peer pressure. Hope he aint stubborn.
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Someone could put a fake auction on, selling a shitter as a haro, and pointing out the fact of his sale. It could work you know, i done my bit by putting a bit on my auction
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was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
well just when I thought I'd seen it all Carl comes out with that! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
well just when I thought I'd seen it all Carl comes out with that! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Fook orf Churchill , aint you got a Micheal Keaton poster as Batman to drool over :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
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was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
well just when I thought I'd seen it all Carl comes out with that! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Fook orf Churchill , aint you got a Micheal Keaton poster as Batman to drool over :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
yeah, but i prefer my one of you in the PVC catwoman outfit I have. :daumenhoch:
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Hope he aint stubborn.
looking like he is though Nick
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was just trying to be tactful about it Matt :LolLolLolLol:
well just when I thought I'd seen it all Carl comes out with that! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
Fook orf Churchill , aint you got a Micheal Keaton poster as Batman to drool over :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
yeah, but i prefer my one of you in the PVC catwoman outfit I have. :daumenhoch:
Why did ya have to let that out on here Joe , I told ya at the photo shoot it was to be kept secret :-[
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I placed a bid for 10,000 GBP so if someone wants to bid it up a bit have at it...
If hes gonna keep it listed then only right that it goes for some proper coin being a "prototype" and all...
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Ummmm might have a bid then ;D
He should have pulled the auction & relist it for what it really is >:(
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Shawn, have you got the link to the US Forum where this is being talked about?
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
come on then own up, who asked Paul the question about monthly repayments. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Also the real deal :daumenhoch:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190279190135&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
come on then own up, who asked Paul the question about monthly repayments. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol: I think it ws Russ aka Maddog, he also asked me some funnier than that that i didnt post as they were a bit to funny. Taking it dancing n shit :LolLolLolLol:
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never noticed that , bet that fooked him off :LolLolLolLol:
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Barry's raking in the coin!! :LolLolLolLol:
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think of those lovey fees at the end :2funny:
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lol i emailed him asking for serial about an hour before all this blew up, funny for someone who couldnt check his email till the 19th?
wtf is that? he going to africa? or the north pole? becuase even santa has wireless...f-ing tard..
with bullshit like that I dont know how it got to 550 bucks!
its bouncing all over vintagebmx now, and Im going to post it to as many sites as I can, along with his brakes..
http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025253&st=0&#entry694196
I started in on this, checking out that frame for a buddy on our site who wanted to buy it..
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he's online at the mo.........
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Barry's getting a slating on Vintage!! ???
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ohhhh one hidden who could that be?
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Barry's getting a slating on Vintage!! ???
..............and I started that thread ! :LolLolLolLol:
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..............and I started that thread ! :LolLolLolLol:
I would never have guessed!!
What with the other chap's name being................. :LolLolLolLol:
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Looks like the ebay fun has begun... £4800 ? :wtf: :LolLolLolLol:
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Lee Shurey - I also got my Freestyler from Surrey Skates, but in '83 (I think). It deffo had a serial number.....
there was lots of haro fakes in surrey bitd as i know where they came from ie who sold them , i should have bought one years ago as might be no 3 ;D
Who was that Paul? Interesting.....
i`m going to check out if they have any before i give out details and not local anyway
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..............and I started that thread ! :LolLolLolLol:
I would never have guessed!!
What with the other chap's name being................. :LolLolLolLol:
:D
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if you win, you will have to say you collected in person so they still want the fees
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he's gotta pull this now surely :shocked:
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What happened?
It showing only 1.99 and bidding ended?
Ad :daumenhoch:
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Anyone wanna buy a prototype Hutch Trickstar?-offers over £500 only please....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh43/heywoodbmx/freeway2.jpg)
It's been relisted on the bay like this ?harofreestyler? but still no mention of wether it's a copy or prototype & now it's at £350 + postage BUY-IT-NOW
I guess he does'nt want to be too greedy :Aresehole:
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Not wishing to get involved in the slanging match, but...
I can accept that there may be varying designs and permutations during the pre production phase, however, these frames were produced by Torker and were a variation on an existing Torker design. Now bearing in mind that the Torker 280 had a machined head tube and both the seat post plate and the plate in the middle of the top tubes were always welded in the middle of the tubes and not the top and the seat post never extended that far above the top tubes, to me is a dead give away that its not genuine.
Sorry but back in the day there were a lot of taiwanese frames that were good copies, but the tell tale signs were always the extended seat post, the non machined head tube and the top tube plates welded on the top of the tubes.
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I hope that you are all happy now ::) that i have listed it as a "1980s freestyler frame" i see that no body has phoned me.what a surprise the small minded hideing behind your PCs :-* .Whats going to happen now? now there is nothing interesting to talk about,a small number of you you might have to go out and find a LIFE instead of being sad little ebay police :police: (You know who i am talking about).
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sorry it does not say haro now just '1980's freestyle bike' but it's still £350 buy-it-now (loads-a-dosh)
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I hope its me your talking about......lol. fooking lying tosser, instead of telling lies you should have just accepted it :police:
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So its £350 or offers SO WHAT,it no longer mentions the word HARO so get off my f---king back.Now people can make their own minds up and and what they want to pay for it.
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I hope its me your talking about......lol. fooking lying tosser, instead of telling lies you should have just accepted it :police:
OH GO AND "F" YOURSELF YOU F--KING YOSSER.
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ANYBODY ELSE FANCY A POP. :knuppel2:
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WELL COME ON.
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grumpy
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lol ive heard you shave your arm pit lol ;)
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IS THAT IT. :LolLolLolLol:
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After all this, you're all missing the most basic of points.........
..............I thought you said you were away until the 19th? :LolLolLolLol:
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IS THAT IT. :LolLolLolLol:
yep and be told the mach 4s are best razors on the market ;D
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did someone say OS bmx was supposed to be "FUN" ?? :-\
you're all quite mad.
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After all this, you're all missing the most basic of points.........
..............I thought you said you were away until the 19th? :LolLolLolLol:
FPMSL :2funny:
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anyone know where i can buy that torino?
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steer well clear of this thread joe ,i aint reading 12 pages either but from what i think i see
im not saying anything about it.
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I HAVE DONE WHAT YOU ALL ASKED ME TO DO AND UR STILL GIVEING ME SHIT.I HONESTLY BOUGHT THE FRAME AS A TRUE GEN 1,IF IT IS A COPY THEN I HAVE BEEN DONE,HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE BOUGHT A FRAME SET AND NOT KNOWN ITS A COPY EVEN TILL THE DAY THEY SOLD IT? I REALY DONT GIVE A FLYING FIG WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF ME AND IF YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT,I DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS A COPY.
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did someone say OS bmx was supposed to be "FUN" ?? :-\
you're all quite mad.
every now & then we all need to let out that pent up anger then peace will be :angel: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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So you're not away then? >:D
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I HAVE DONE WHAT YOU ALL ASKED ME TO DO AND UR STILL GIVEING ME SHIT.I HONESTLY BOUGHT THE FRAME AS A TRUE GEN 1,IF IT IS A COPY THEN I HAVE BEEN DONE,HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE BOUGHT A FRAME SET AND NOT KNOWN ITS A COPY EVEN TILL THE DAY THEY SOLD IT? I REALY DONT GIVE A FLYING FIG WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF ME AND IF YOU BELIEVE ME OR NOT,I DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS A COPY.
No you didnt, you bought it as a rare prototype, 1 of 7 remember. But then you forgot to mention that in the listing.
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OH AND TO MAKE IT CLEAR I WILL BE AWAY FROM WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON TILL SUNDAY NIGHT STROKE MONDAY MORNING AS IM GOING TO FRANCE. AS IT NEVER STATED ON THE AUCTION THE DAY I WAS GOING,IT ONLY STATED THE DAY I WOULD BE BACK,AS IT IS NOT REALY ANYBODY ELSES BUSSINESS WHAT I AM DOING.
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Come on, are you away until the 19th or not??
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No you didnt, you bought it as a rare prototype, 1 of 7 remember. But then you forgot to mention that in the listing.
[/quote] IF YOU HAVE READ THIS THREAD PROPERLY YOU WOULD HAVE READ WHY I LEFT THAT INFO OFF THE ADD.YOU ARE A PROPER NASTY LITTLE PIECE OF SH1T ARNT YOU. YOU LIKE HAVEING A DIG ALL THE TIME.I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO YOU, YOU LITTLE YOSSER
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dude I hope you sell it, just think with the money you make you can invest in a spell checker
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good to see you back on mcnulty and on form today too lol
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YES I WOULD LOVE A SPELL CHECKER. ;) AS IM DISLETSIC.
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No you didnt, you bought it as a rare prototype, 1 of 7 remember. But then you forgot to mention that in the listing.
IF YOU HAVE READ THIS THREAD PROPERLY YOU WOULD HAVE READ WHY I LEFT THAT INFO OFF THE ADD.YOU ARE A PROPER NASTY LITTLE PIECE OF SH1T ARNT YOU. YOU LIKE HAVEING A DIG ALL THE TIME.I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO YOU, YOU LITTLE YOSSER
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Great, i could torment you on a daily basis.
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Barry, :wtf: you doing dude, you were coolio and built some nice bikes. No problem with selling or buying. You had the chance to put this right when we were backing you up, instead you are ranting because no one wants to see someone spend a lot of dosh on a fake freestyler mate. THATS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD, you should have just accepted that it was a fake and ended the listing, job done. You have come in for stick because your trying to bluff experts in bmx, and honesty would have been the winner mate. Wether you tried to pull a fast one or honestly didnt know, you were never going to bullshit out of this dude, I feel sorry that your name has been tarnished over one fookin frame, Good luck dude, it was a bad mistake mate :-\
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GOING NOW :) DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT KIDDIES BIKES ANYMORE :LolLolLolLol: . IM GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALL TO BACK STAB ME IN GOOD OLD GUTLESS "RAD BMX" FASHION .THE SAD SMALL NUMBER OF YOU WILL HAVE TO POLICE EBAY TO FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO BITCH ABOUT NOW,OR MAY BE YOU MIGHT EVEN FIND A LIFE WHILE YOUR LOOKING YOU NEVER KNOW. GOOD NIGHT BOYS AND GIRLS.
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thread done, lessons learned. Best just avoid haro alltogether, to be sure. ::)
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DB250F Thaks mate,i was not trying to bluff anybody, like i said i thought that it was real.i have sold hundreds of old school bmx items over the last year with not one complaint.And i dont have to bull shit out of anything believe me or not i realy dont care Anymore. old school has become to clicky and bitchy for me.The main problem with this thread was that their was a hand full of small minded people that used this thread as a lame excuse to pick a fight with some body witch is realy sad.I have no problem with Jay for starting this topic, i totaly understand what you were doing but like i have already said there is people out their who just want to pick a fight at any opertunerty and thats just sad for bmx in general as it should be an enjoyable piecefull past time for all of us.
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thread done, lessons learned. Best just avoid haro alltogether, to be sure. ::)
:LolLolLolLol: ya little Rascal
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thread done, lessons learned. Best just avoid haro alltogether, to be sure. ::)
yes defo JT. :daumenhoch:
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It always seems to be a Gen 1 topic that stirs emotions. The last time a guy had 3 NOS ones in his attic, now this. :-\
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What sort of money should fake one's go for??
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torino?
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torino?
i want it to go with this :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g279/spesh1967/cortinamfp-1.jpg)
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that car looks w**k !
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that car looks w**k !
gotta disagree, looks really cool, think i will do my punto like that, good for advertising...
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This girl likes it...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/3/6677051_13de4e3f3e.jpg)
that car looks w**k !
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clunk click