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Title: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 27, 2009, 12:01 PM
Ok, This is how it is,

I want to buy a retro quad. (I know some/most of you hate these but bare with me) I need to be able to have my coaster brake as an option and no new school frames allow me to use a big enough sprocket to go with the 16t on my coaster tuffs.

the quad retro will allow me to use the bigger chain wheel BUT, it has mounts for a V brake at the rear which stops me (I have a lot of conflicting information on this) using a gyro!

does anyone know if there is a place on the rear dropouts that I could have the mounts moved to which would allow me to use a U brake?

If so, who would I get to perform this mod?

I know that a lot of you are convinced that I won't need a coaster once the rear brake issue is sorted, but I want the option.

I have the whole build mapped out and would love to be able to put it all together before the summer comes.

as always, I greatly appreciate any help/advice that anyone can give me :)


Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: pickle on January 27, 2009, 12:08 PM
just one question........why do you want a Giro on a race bike?
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: HEYWOOD BMX on January 27, 2009, 12:25 PM
 :) All newer race frames will let you use up to a 44/16 gearing with no problem.You can use a v-brake with a gyro,though this is mainly seen on "toy"BMXs! An Odyssey A-Brake can be set up as a center pull brake and will also fit on v-brake mounts too...
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 27, 2009, 12:39 PM
just one question........why do you want a Giro on a race bike?

I want to use it for old school freestyle stuff!
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: Bigfrawg on January 27, 2009, 12:41 PM

you could mount it to the original brake bridge using a u brake addapter
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: Dex Dexter on January 27, 2009, 12:47 PM
And I think (having checked on my old one) that it has a bridge you can mount a caliper brake on too.
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: SaMAlex on January 27, 2009, 12:47 PM

does anyone know if there is a place on the rear dropouts that I could have the mounts moved  to which would allow me to use a U brake?



Canti mounts aint the same as U brake mounts so its cant just move them. You would have to get some (make some) U brake mounts
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: Bigfrawg on January 27, 2009, 12:52 PM

on one of my retro quads i am running mx 1000's , obviously mounted to the brake bridge . canti mounts have been removed altogether for thay old school look  :smitten: tis the one our very own mr jackel modified .
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: pickle on January 27, 2009, 01:03 PM
Ols school look......and feel i would think?? 

translated to, pull lever and fook all happens  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: BrianP on January 27, 2009, 01:16 PM
I need to be able to have my coaster brake as an option and no new school frames allow me to use a big enough sprocket to go with the 16t on my coaster tuffs.

What about using a smaller coaster sprocket on the back, which will allow you to use a smaller chainwheel?
You can get coaster sprockets down to 12T, so 33/12 is about the same as 44/16.


Brian  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: Bigfrawg on January 27, 2009, 01:32 PM
Ols school look......and feel i would think?? 

translated to, pull lever and fook all happens  :LolLolLolLol:
that is right pickle , form not function  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 27, 2009, 01:40 PM
I need to be able to have my coaster brake as an option and no new school frames allow me to use a big enough sprocket to go with the 16t on my coaster tuffs.

What about using a smaller coaster sprocket on the back, which will allow you to use a smaller chainwheel?
You can get coaster sprockets down to 12T, so 33/12 is about the same as 44/16.


Brian  :daumenhoch:

are you saying that I could replace the cog I got with my new coaster tuffs with a 12t one? if so where can I get these?
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: oberonspacefruit on January 27, 2009, 01:49 PM
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.coloredtuffs.com/shop/images/uploads/thumbs/thumb_webstore_1_007.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.coloredtuffs.com/shop/index.php%3Fact%3DviewCat%26catId%3D21&usg=__todaKAlgqk-GW9vOwGFmZ_Q8b7s=&h=50&w=75&sz=2&hl=en&start=28&um=1&tbnid=G1Ip9RGo1K72oM:&tbnh=47&tbnw=71&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcoaster%2Btuffs%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN


is the coaster like this?
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 27, 2009, 01:57 PM
Yup.
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: oberonspacefruit on January 27, 2009, 02:01 PM
then i doubt youll be able to buy another smaller sprocket, as ive never seen one with the same internal profile as that.

you could have one made up at a machine shop, or make it yourself, if you used a standard 12 tooth as a template, but i think size wise youd struggle to get less than 14 tooth.

make sure the chain will fit round the hub, and not foul on the nylon anywhere.
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: BrianP on January 27, 2009, 04:41 PM
I need to be able to have my coaster brake as an option and no new school frames allow me to use a big enough sprocket to go with the 16t on my coaster tuffs.

What about using a smaller coaster sprocket on the back, which will allow you to use a smaller chainwheel?
You can get coaster sprockets down to 12T, so 33/12 is about the same as 44/16.


Brian  :daumenhoch:

are you saying that I could replace the cog I got with my new coaster tuffs with a 12t one? if so where can I get these?

Yup, if it takes the standard suntour type of sprocket like mr fruit has linked above.
I've a 12T and a 13T here on my sets. (Have been toying with running a set of coaster tuffs on my new FBM for a laugh)

And I got mine at flatland fuel.

Here's the link:

http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=241 (http://www.flatlandfuel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=241)

Pat'll sort you out. He's a good egg.

Brian  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: lazychubs on January 27, 2009, 04:54 PM
i just modded a odysee one to fit my suntour hub
just filed the ones i didnt need off
and shaped the other 3 to fit the hub
so i have old skool cassette hub with 12 tooth gearing
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 27, 2009, 08:34 PM
stodgy thinks he may have found a new school frame that I can run a 44t sprocket on :D

fingers crossed, I'll let y'all know.
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: telelogic on January 28, 2009, 11:05 AM
WICKED!!!!

The legend that is stodgy has found me a frame that ticks all of my crazy boxes!

New school with a coaster!

Lookout 1984, I'm coming back blow your tiny minds! >:D


Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: BrianP on January 28, 2009, 11:13 AM
 :daumenhoch:

just watch those fakies...

Bp.
Title: Re: brake issue is driving me mad!!!
Post by: jackel on January 28, 2009, 02:42 PM

on one of my retro quads i am running mx 1000's , obviously mounted to the brake bridge . canti mounts have been removed altogether for thay old school look  :smitten: tis the one our very own mr jackel modified .
got craig at on yer bike to do it and its a quality job you cant see where they used to be :)
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