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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: jedi on April 07, 2009, 10:38 PM
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whats happening?
any truth to the rumours iof demise?
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Demise ? I hope not , i'm waiting on a revolution frame forks and bars :shocked:
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Dunno bout any demise?
What rumours you heard dude?
Sent you a pm... :daumenhoch:
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avocet have stoppe dproduction
dibly gone etc......thought someone would clarify it.shame if its true.
remo no longer team manager etc...
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Wasn't Dibly off to Taiwan a short time ago. Check his last posts.
Hope there is no demise
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As far as im aware there is no demise - there is some reshuffling with UK distribution and suppliers I believe - but I dont think there is any demise. I hope!
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well rumours are rife and you know what they say no smoke without fire.
depending what forum you read Dibly was fired/walked which is odd since he claimed it was his company.
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i thought someone on here would know diffinitively!
:(
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I hope this is all just hearsay, be a shame to loose another BMX company.
I only have bought forks but am well happy with them and was contemplating a frame to when funds permit.
Steve.
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well what is a fact is Unknown wasn't a rider owned company as claimed, start out with one porky pie and it's all built on that.
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just read the 'bikeguide' thread, alot of 'in the know' internet warriors having their say...
I did read the other day that Remo has quit as team manager..
be nice to know the facts for those who have an 'interest' & awaiting news?...
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:) So who owns UKBikeCo-Avocet?
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avocet have stopped production
be a shame to loose another BMX company.
Gone or not, it dont sound like they were/are a "BMX company" ???
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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:) So who owns UKBikeCo-Avocet?
yeah Avocet.
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:) So who owns UKBikeCo-Avocet?
"Who owns the Charlestown Chiefs"
Name that film ..... anyone?
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i dunno, avocet make bike computers and stuff and very low end mtbs
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:) So who owns UKBikeCo-Avocet?
"Who owns the Charlestown Chiefs"
Name that film ..... anyone?
is it slap shot?
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"Who owns the Charlestown Chiefs"
Name that film ..... anyone?
is it slap shot?
Top marks. A wicked film :daumenhoch:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slap_Shot_(film)
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oi oi oi
wtf has that to do with unknown bikes???
:) :) :)
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wtf has that to do with unknown bikes???
Watch the clip and pretend the guy is asking who Ownnnnz UK bikes. Its a fun game, and will pass the time till someone can tell us what is actually going on with UK bikes, cos no one here seems to know :P
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but if you watch clip #14 then you think, hang on, let's watch all the clips, the whole flim, the you'll get no work done.
is that an orange revolution in the lounge turned upside down?
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let's have some music:
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i'm sure the truth will come out soon enough.......i for one have a lot of time for Dibbly and will therefore reserve judgement or comment until it does.
all i will say though is i hope Dibbly and UKbikes come out okay as him and the products are cool in my book :daumenhoch:
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More music-Slapshot...
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More music-Slapshot...
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Yeahman!!! I LOVE Slapshot!!
No marks at all for anyone who can say what BMX company stole Slapshots logo
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hotwheels
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Isn't it best to wait for Dibly to make an annoucement rather than speculating?
I know exactly what has happened, and it's all for the best, but it's Dibly's place to explain.
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stodgy,
if you know exactly then post it dude
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No marks at all for anyone who can say what BMX company stole Slapshots logo
Me mememememe me Mr. Leech i know sir memememememe i know memememememe me sir sir...
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stodgy,
if you know exactly then post it dude
I don't think it's fair to say, I'll let Dibly know this thread is here...
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I don't think it's fair to claim you own this new bike company and it's a "rider owned" company and deceive everyone.
but then life's not fair is it?
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Okay...I've spoken to Darren (Dibly) and he's said it's fine for me to tell. I've tried to keep it in small factual statements below.
To clarify, UK Bike Co is financed and owned by Avocet (i.e. Coyote, etc). So Darren doesn't own the company.
Darren instead owns the intellectual property - i.e. the rights to the frame designs and to market the heat-treating process in UK and Europe. So basically the rights to the product and ran the company solely.
Sales for UK Bike Co frames have been awesome over the past 6 months, outselling every other brand. So in terms of fulfilling his role, Darren has done a good job.
The rumors are right, Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co. He returned from Taiwan to find that, due to a number of factors, there was no job for him any more. There are numerous factors behind this decision; cost-cutting, lack of understanding of the high-end BMX market, and also the fact that Darren was asked not to go to Taiwan by the management of Avocet. So basically he disobeyed a direct order.
Darren has received a lot of flak about 'cracking frames' and 'he doesn't care' etc, but the reason he went to Taiwan was to take control of these issues and ensure that they don't happen again, despite the risk of losing his job. So, he paid the price for this dedication to ensure the product was spot on going forward.
So, there we have it. Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co, but the latest batch of revised Evolutions, Revolutions, bars and forks are on their way over as I write this. So the company is still continuing and still honoring any warranty issues. The product is still good, so do buy one if you've been after one...but who knows where a low-end company like Avocet will take it? If I was buying a frame at the moment my money would go on a more established brand until the water settles.
Any questions I'll do my best to answer, but due to legal reasons it's difficult for Darren to do so.
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Sickning :-\
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I know, how'd he get away with it for so long? he had me convinced too.
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I honestly cant see UKB lasting much longer, they will shut it down rather than honour all the warranty issues.
Especially now the truth is out about the "rider owned" company not being rider owned.
As for the good sales, thats all down to the fashion victim kids, that will change as soon as the kids realise they are riding a frame made by a second rate MTB manufacturer, and they start selling them in Toys 'R' Us. :2funny:
Call me old fashioned, but i prefer the walls of my tubing to be thicker than 1.5mm, even if it makes it a pound heavier!
I will probably get scorched for this but, i really dont think that BMX needs fly by night companys like this...it does more damage than good to our sport.
The fookers were just trying to make a fast buck at the our expense, with no regard for how safe there products are. Somebody could get seriously hurt if a frame fork or bar decided to let go on them at the wrong time.
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I honestly cant see UKB lasting much longer, they will shut it down rather than honour all the warranty issues.
Especially now the truth is out about the "rider owned" company not being rider owned.
As for the good sales, thats all down to the fashion victim kids, that will change as soon as the kids realise they are riding a frame made by a second rate MTB manufacturer, and they start selling them in Toys 'R' Us. :2funny:
Call me old fashioned, but i prefer the walls of my tubing to be thicker than 1.5mm, even if it makes it a pound heavier!
I will probably get scorched for this but, i really dont think that BMX needs fly by night companys like this...it does more damage than good to our sport.
The fookers were just trying to make a fast buck at the our expense, with no regard for how safe there products are. Somebody could get seriously hurt if a frame fork or bar decided to let go on them at the wrong time.
I can't see anyone flaming you for talking sense. :daumenhoch:
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i find it sad........sad as Dibly is a sound guy and sad that poeple revell in other peoples sadness.
real shame :-[
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i find it sad........sad as Dibly is a sound guy and sad that poeple revell in other peoples sadness.
real shame :-[
Rob I like you, and you truely are a sound guy, as are most of the other Radster I've met, but really, I have to disagree.
He lied and deceived the people who listened to the words he said and read the words he wrote and worst of allt hose who shelled out their hard earned cash for his products. simple. I'm not revelling in his sadness but when I dared to question what he was doing I got flamed, well some of the things I suggested turned out to be spot on. Why did he did he lie? To make money.
There seems to be some sort of strange loyalty to the bloke on here, I can't understand why, if he was a politician and had been found out for deceiving the public you'd all want a lynching.
Yes we should support innovation, the small bloke doing his thing, but that's not what this was, this was a big company pretending to be the small man with an innovation.
Sound? is telling everyone you have started a new rider owned company, owned by you then it turning out to be lies the action of a sound man?
Is it sound to knowingly go ahead with production of a substandard item when the test riders have told you it's not right?
Is it sound to keep selling them when they are failing all over the place and just keep saying "there's only been three returned"
and is it wrong for people to question these actions?
and if I'm wrong or a bad person for saying what I know loads of people are thinking, then I'll accept that.
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I just hope my sons 09 frame forks and bars aint on them ships that the Somalli's have hijacked ::)
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i find it sad........sad as Dibly is a sound guy and sad that poeple revell in other peoples sadness.
real shame :-[
Rob I like you, and you truely are a sound guy, as are most of the other Radster I've met, but really, I have to disagree.
He lied and deceived the people who listened to the words he said and read the words he wrote and worst of allt hose who shelled out their hard earned cash for his products. simple. I'm not revelling in his sadness but when I dared to question what he was doing I got flamed, well some of the things I suggested turned out to be spot on. Why did he did he lie? To make money.
There seems to be some sort of strange loyalty to the bloke on here, I can't understand why, if he was a politician and had been found out for deceiving the public you'd all want a lynching.
Yes we should support innovation, the small bloke doing his thing, but that's not what this was, this was a big company pretending to be the small man with an innovation.
Sound? is telling everyone you have started a new rider owned company, owned by you then it turning out to be lies the action of a sound man?
Is it sound to knowingly go ahead with production of a substandard item when the test riders have told you it's not right?
Is it sound to keep selling them when they are failing all over the place and just keep saying "there's only been three returned"
and is it wrong for people to question these actions?
and if I'm wrong or a bad person for saying what I know loads of people are thinking, then I'll accept that.
Joe........i like you too and you truely are a sound guy.......so i'm not going to say anymore on this subject.
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Even before the company rolled he said he wasn't financing it!!
Just running it using his own designs!!
It always had Avocet behind it. They even have the same address for both companies!! ???
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i find it sad........sad as Dibly is a sound guy and sad that poeple revell in other peoples sadness.
real shame :-[
ditto, but you always get the rightfookinnobjockeymuggy c**ttwatbastardarseholelickinggentlemans relishslurpers lappin it up
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yeah man x3
there's always someone wallowing in the sadness of a situation they caused themselves and wanting
everyone else to feel sorry for them now the truth is out.
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I dont see anybody revelling, only people stating their opinions. (and i really hope that wasn't aimed at me).
This is the first i have heard of Avocet being involved in this "venture". And lets be honest, if people had known who was behind it would they have bought the stuff in the first place. You wouldnt see a pro MTB'er riding an Avocet bike in competion, so why do they think they can mug off the BMX community. Fuk Em!
I love BMX, and i dont like people "raping" it like this for a fast buck. And before the "friends of Dibly" crew start on me, dont know him and never met him so i will not pass judgment on him as that would be unfair.
As for Avocet, they should shut it down and go back to making "toys 'R' Us" shelf fillers........do what you know best you clowns.
Bru, isnt this site supposed to be about BMX. And this subject is a very real issue within the current BMX community yes?
Sean.
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Too many people, too much of the time are TOO quick to jump on the band wagon here.. this thread will go nuts with pages of crap that will just cause issues & decent threads struggle to get to one page! it's fooking wrong :tickedoff:
I'm done with this thread and if I was a mod it would be locked right now so it don't escalate into more shit that the site can do without.
Bru >:(
ahh, but i agree with freedom of speech, doesnt everyone?
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As for Avocet, they should shut it down and go back to making "toys 'R' Us" shelf fillers........do what you know best you clowns.
Amen to that brother.
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I dont see anybody revelling, only people stating their opinions. (and i really hope that wasn't aimed at me).
This is the first i have heard of Avocet being involved in this "venture". And lets be honest, if people had known who was behind it would they have bought the stuff in the first place. You wouldnt see a pro MTB'er riding an Avocet bike in competion, so why do they think they can mug off the BMX community. Fuk Em!
I love BMX, and i dont like people "raping" it like this for a fast buck. And before the "friends of Dibly" crew start on me, dont know him and never met him so i will not pass judgment on him as that would be unfair.
As for Avocet, they should shut it down and go back to making "toys 'R' Us" shelf fillers........do what you know best you clowns.
Bru, isnt this site supposed to be about BMX. And this subject is a very real issue within the current BMX community yes?
Sean.
Even though Darren is a top Bloke, i cant argue with the above post. Still a shocker and thoughts are with you Dibly as this cant have been what you have been working 16+ hours a day for :-\
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Too many people, too much of the time are TOO quick to jump on the band wagon here.. this thread will go nuts with pages of crap that will just cause issues & decent threads struggle to get to one page! it's fooking wrong :tickedoff:
I'm done with this thread and if I was a mod it would be locked right now so it don't escalate into more shit that the site can do without.
Bru >:(
ahh, but i agree with freedom of speech, doesnt everyone?
we all agree with freedom of speech until some Fanatical Cleric starts preaching hate towards the West. see we only believe a certain level of freedom is acceptable.
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The rumour of these frames breaking has to damage the reputation of the company/s.I have seen 5 broken and all that is said by riders at creation is that they are no good.If the frames are modified and are ok, is the damage already done?
Anyway, never mind all that rubbish. Here is the latest - The latest failure of lightweight component is........ KHE anchor bars. Met a lad today who is sending his back 'cause they broke. A soon as I sat on a bike with them on and they flexed I knew it. And, they are not that light...
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im not shutting this thread ,its bmx it involves us all
if it gets to be just a hate thread on dibly then i might re think it but as a discussion go ahead
darren is big enough to answer you if he wants to :daumenhoch:
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im not shutting this thread ,its bmx it involves us all
if it gets to be just a hate thread on dibly then i might re think it but as a discussion go ahead
darren is big enough to answer you if he wants to :daumenhoch:
good man :daumenhoch:
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well most of always knew he had money backing from another firm but the design etc etc was all his yes they have had problems in quite a big way but from what i understand the warranty is getting sorted on em all .dibly has done his best and had good go at summat wed all love to try so good on him.shame it hasnt worked out but the odds were against him really fighting against top end well established brands and starting from nowt is hard .
he tried and failed in a way but hey weve all tried summat and its gone wrong .
my view is too light weight and quality control is gonna be problems straight away .but dibly was trying to be in front of the pack and beat rest to the lightest and strongest frame with good geo as well .this has backfired and everyone now slags him yes it went tits up in a way but if no one tried new things we would still be riding mongoose motomags and thinking a kick turn was waaaaaaaaaay cool
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thinking a kick turn was waaaaaaaaaay cool
Easy now, many on here still do :2funny:
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thinking a kick turn was waaaaaaaaaay cool
Easy now, many on here still do :2funny:
it's on my list of tricks I want to learn. :daumenhoch:
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thinking a kick turn was waaaaaaaaaay cool
Easy now, many on here still do :2funny:
it's on my list of tricks I want to learn. :daumenhoch:
Anything this man did on a bmx was way cool .
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh280/macky573021/neilruffell.jpg)
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well this seems to be quite an interesting thread!
i've been sitting on this for a few days now not wanting to be the one to kick the thread off as many are aware myself and unknown bikes don't really see eye to eye. as to why dibly was fired bares no interest to me, my concern is for people with (more than likely) forth coming warranty issues. i've spoken to many people in the last few days including team riders, people in the industry and people that have some warranty issues, the riders can't seem to get through to anyone anymore, the trades people i've spoken to (and trust) have said they've phoned up avocet sports and recreation to find out what is going on, as one is awaiting some warranty stuff to be told, 'unknown bikes is no longer in business and avocet sports will not be honouring any warranty as all the technical specs for the frames were held by dibly', as stodgy has said! so it looks like tough shit when your front end goes ping.
i think avocet have no interest in persuing unknown bikes as a financially viable product to promote, they deal in mass produced cycles and have no interest in developing technology to be at the forfront of the industry (not that unknown were anyway) if you feel you've been cheated, your probably right. if you feel you've been lied to, your definately right. if you feel you've been shot down in flames for showing concern for the masses, you're right to do so. if you stand by your 'friend' because you think he's a top bloke, good on you, take everybody on your personal experiences, thats what i say. sadly i can't do this so i feel nothing for this company or its former owner! another mans become redundant, just joining 3 million others. and a company has come to an end, just as many others have, at least once these frames are dead no-one else can get hurt by them.
so before anyone wants to jump on me saying i'm wollowing in someone else's demise, i openly admit right here, i do have a certain sense of satisfaction for this overall result, people who claim to own something like this should really know what they are talking about before playing with the fire, else you get burnt!
my only advice for dibly and which may define the kind of man he is, is to get on the phone and thank your riders for showing support, half the 'team' don't seem to know anything and would like some correspondance from someone as to what the situation actually is
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where is the man? that is the question? as jeremy kyle says :' thers always two sides to a story' >:D >:D
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p.s. .................. yes i am out of work :laugh:
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Well I like my UKnown frame and forks and I like Dibbly too so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :yahoo_silent:
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Good call. :daumenhoch:
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My Name Is Kane Hennessy
And rumours of a certain bike company have brought me back to this website.
As most of you know i had some involvement in the creation of this company, as well as the products, team etc
Unknown bike co going under?
alot of my friends were on the team, there now sponsorless, probably all very dissapointed.
Mark Webb, a rolemodel, a friend, a hero of mine.. Arguably the best rider in the country, sponsorless!
I know he was very happy to be apart of ukbikeco and i was happy for him, i understood he had a signature frame by them and i was stoked for him! he deserves it.
Dibly was under a lot of pressure by Avocet, lied to by the suppliers of the products, they fooked up some of the prototypes and i understand they messed up a batch of production frames too.. This no doubt prompted diblys trip to Taiwan, contributed towards the poor reputation of the company and led to the end of Unknown bike co.
No one deserves to be jobless, especially at this point in life with the whole credit crunch bullshit going on. I wish Dibly the best in finding employment.
As for the company being owned by Avocet sports? as much as it pains me to stick up for the company The ONLY thing owned by Avocet sports was the money to run the company, the car dibly drove in and the office he worked out of.
i love the mash potato from my work, its to die for!! I know its probably just that "SMASH" bullshit. If i was told its "SMASH" i probably wouldnt eat it.. but nobody tells me where it comes from.. all i know is that its good shit!! The canteen doesnt lie to me. Just doesnt tell me things i dont need to know.
Did you know some chinese chick funds T1??? you didnt think Joe Rich and Taj just pulled a bike company out there ass did you?? T1 dont stamp "A CHINESE CHICK PAID FOR THIS FRAME" all over it. just because its not common knowledge doesnt mean joe and taj lied to you...
A NOTE TO ALL
Reading through the pages of the thread made me smile, and constantly remind me of the reason i dont visit bmx forum sites anymore
you all seem so stressed out with rumours, truths, lies and banter.
Dont let all this shit consume you. Get on your bike, go outside and pop wheelies round the block!
Riding BMX is wayyyy more fun than talking about it!
Sorry none of this probably made sence! been eating in between haha hope all the guys on here im sound with are all doing ok! miss you all
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you all seem so stressed out with rumours, truths, lies and banter.
Dont let all this shit consume you. Get on your bike, go outside and pop wheelies round the block!
Riding BMX is wayyyy more fun than talking about it!
Fundamental point. :daumenhoch:
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i only come on here to rest from riding :)
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Well said Kane, I know that if Dibly puts another company together then I`d back that too :daumenhoch:
All company`s need to look for financial backing from somewhere, if it`s the money that owns the company then 99% of them are owned by banks, get your head out of your asses if you think otherwise, Dibly was the guy with the ideas and bollocks to start a company, and as usual the haters just want to see someone whose trying to make a success fall flat on his face, well he`ll get my backing all day long :daumenhoch:
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i only come on here to rest from riding :)
Jedi i miss you, come give kaney a cuddle.
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i cuddled you at corby and you left me.
used me he did :)
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yo kane how you doing :daumenhoch:
ps... i love smash, grew up on that shit ;)
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erm. Kane me old mate. Joe and taj did pull a company out their ass. Thats why the first batch was of only about 50 frames and about only 10 came to the uk. The company was sold to the chinese chick so that joe could draw a proper wage from it and taj has gone his own way.
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yo kane how you doing :daumenhoch:
ps... i love smash, grew up on that shit ;)
you wouldnt pay £1.50 a portion from your overpriced canteen though would you ;) haha
im good matey! how are you? missing my dancing i suppose? ;)
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erm. Kane me old mate. Joe and taj did pull a company out their ass. Thats why the first batch was of only about 50 frames and about only 10 came to the uk. The company was sold to the chinese chick so that joe could draw a proper wage from it and taj has gone his own way.
Phil your such a party pooper
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yo kane how you doing :daumenhoch:
ps... i love smash, grew up on that shit ;)
you wouldnt pay £1.50 a portion from your overpriced canteen though would you ;) haha
im good matey! how are you? missing my dancing i suppose? ;)
yeah i'm good mate, what you doing friday, got a big ole mob going to horsham and southwater,
the bruzer bros and the basingstoke massive, my billy, some scottish loon from unit 23
and loads of others :daumenhoch:
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yeah man x3
there's always me wallowing in the sadness of the situation i cause myself and wanting
everyone else to feel empty like me and have nothing better to do with my time than infest those who enjoy the sport with negativity.......oops, the truth is out.
:LolLolLolLol: FFS!
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UK Bike Co is financed and owned by Avocet (i.e. Coyote, etc).
Darren instead owns the intellectual property - i.e. the rights to the frame designs and to market the heat-treating process in UK and Europe.
Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co, but the latest batch of revised Evolutions, Revolutions, bars and forks are on their way over as I write this. So the company is still continuing and still honoring any warranty issues.
How can Avocet continue selling ukbikeco stuff if Darren owns these intellectual property rights?
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yeah man x3
there's always me wallowing in the sadness of the situation i cause myself and wanting
everyone else to feel empty like me and have nothing better to do with my time than infest those who enjoy the sport with negativity.......oops, the truth is out.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
not trying to infest the sport with negativity but Dibly essentially called myself and Phil liars and I didn't see any of you saying "hang on Dibly, Joe & Phil are sounds guys, what are you saying?", and yes I do bear a grudge, so it's only fair that when he get's found out I get to call him a liar. Which he is.
Eye for an eye and all that. But still I love it that you all want to twist it so Avocet and the Taiwanese suppliers are the bad guys in this and that well known rider who owned the company
is just an innocent victim.
FACT: he claimed it was a rider owned company and that's bollocks he worked for Avocet and got paid by them. If he didn't he couldn't have been fired.
He also kept insisting that only 3 frames ever got returned instead of coming straight out and saying "the first batch is flawed, expect to hear a lot of frames are damaged, but don't worry we're sorting it out."
I'm sure if he can get the funds to start up with his designs, which I'm guessing is the legal complication, adds half a pound in tube thickness and rebrands he'll no doubt be back with a slightly heavier but much stronger frame and I honestly wish him luck in that, he should be applauded for trying, but be honest.
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UK Bike Co is financed and owned by Avocet (i.e. Coyote, etc).
Darren instead owns the intellectual property - i.e. the rights to the frame designs and to market the heat-treating process in UK and Europe.
Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co, but the latest batch of revised Evolutions, Revolutions, bars and forks are on their way over as I write this. So the company is still continuing and still honoring any warranty issues.
How can Avocet continue selling ukbikeco stuff if Darren owns these intellectual property rights?
They own the remaining stock and the stock which is on a boat coming over here. They can't manufacturer any more to the same specifications but can continue to market new products under the same name.
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yeah man x3
there's always me wallowing in the sadness of the situation i cause myself and wanting
everyone else to feel empty like me and have nothing better to do with my time than infest those who enjoy the sport with negativity.......oops, the truth is out.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
not trying to infest the sport with negativity but Dibly essentially called myself and Phil liars and I didn't see any of you saying "hang on Dibly, Joe & Phil are sounds guys, what are you saying?", and yes I do bear a grudge, so it's only fair that when he get's found out I get to call him a liar. Which he is.
Eye for an eye and all that. But still I love it that you all want to twist it so Avocet and the Taiwanese suppliers are the bad guys in this and that well known rider who owned the company
is just an innocent victim.
FACT: he claimed it was a rider owned company and that's bollocks he worked for Avocet and got paid by them. If he didn't he couldn't have been fired.
He also kept insisting that only 3 frames ever got returned instead of coming straight out and saying "the first batch is flawed, expect to hear a lot of frames are damaged, but don't worry we're sorting it out."
I'm sure if he can get the funds to start up with his designs, which I'm guessing is the legal complication, adds half a pound in tube thickness and rebrands he'll no doubt be back with a slightly heavier but much stronger frame and I honestly wish him luck in that, he should be applauded for trying, but be honest.
i know squat about bike production etc, and discussion n debate is cool and what gets things movin, i do consider dibly a friend (as i do everone on this forum, as thats how i assume these things should work, in an ideal world i know) even tho i have only met him half a dozen times but each time he has been a sound and genuine and overall nice guy, i've kept out of every one of these threads up until the point of malicousness, speculating witch hunting, as, like i have said, i know nothing about the goings on with bike production, i believe diblys heart was/is in the right place, and for that reason i felt compelled to throw in my 2 penneth sooner rather than later, hopefully to get all the shite out the way early and let the people who know the ins and outs discuss the ins n outs. constructive critism and calculated reflection has more impact i feel. so on reflection, unfortunately, it was your comment i latched on to even though by no means are you his only detractor, if ya gotta grudge, you gotta grudge, fair enough, but i couldnt resist editing your post :LolLolLolLol:
onwards n upwards :daumenhoch:
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I love the edited quote game, can't beat it. :daumenhoch:
hence my :LolLolLolLol:
inwards and outwards!
it's a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng weekend now!
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Okay...I've spoken to Darren (Dibly) and he's said it's fine for me to tell. I've tried to keep it in small factual statements below.
To clarify, UK Bike Co is financed and owned by Avocet (i.e. Coyote, etc). So Darren doesn't own the company.
Darren instead owns the intellectual property - i.e. the rights to the frame designs and to market the heat-treating process in UK and Europe. So basically the rights to the product and ran the company solely.
Sales for UK Bike Co frames have been awesome over the past 6 months, outselling every other brand. So in terms of fulfilling his role, Darren has done a good job.
The rumors are right, Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co. He returned from Taiwan to find that, due to a number of factors, there was no job for him any more. There are numerous factors behind this decision; cost-cutting, lack of understanding of the high-end BMX market, and also the fact that Darren was asked not to go to Taiwan by the management of Avocet. So basically he disobeyed a direct order.
Darren has received a lot of flak about 'cracking frames' and 'he doesn't care' etc, but the reason he went to Taiwan was to take control of these issues and ensure that they don't happen again, despite the risk of losing his job. So, he paid the price for this dedication to ensure the product was spot on going forward.
So, there we have it. Darren is no longer at UK Bike Co, but the latest batch of revised Evolutions, Revolutions, bars and forks are on their way over as I write this. So the company is still continuing and still honoring any warranty issues. The product is still good, so do buy one if you've been after one...but who knows where a low-end company like Avocet will take it? If I was buying a frame at the moment my money would go on a more established brand until the water settles.
Any questions I'll do my best to answer, but due to legal reasons it's difficult for Darren to do so.
Read all of this with interest.
Unfortunately for Dibly, I think the brand he has helped to create will end up down the can if it continues to be owned and run by a low end company with no interest in BMX like Avocet.
Is there no way he can negotiate the transfer of the UK Bike Co name to him? It's not really worth anything to Avocet without the IPR in the designs and even if they use the name on other "non-Dibly" product, no BMX'ers "in the know" will buy it.
So all I can say is I hope Dibly can get his company back from the clutches of Avocet and then redeem himself in the eyes of the BMX world by not getting into bed with people who don't give a toss about BMX again and by re-designing his product/improving quality control to restore its reputation.
I can understand if people felt deceived because a shady company was behind UK Bike Co, but at the end of the day, people should buy product based on whether they like it or not, not because of who owns the company.
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Wise words :daumenhoch:
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if he made any money, he should invest it in manufacturing frames in the UK. mass production abroad was a big balls step to try and realise. it's very very hard to hit the ground running when bringing a new brand to the market, i was impressed that he half managed it, but he has felt the sharp end of corporate life and been spat out the other end after being a bit mauled in the middle.
it's a good product, a good idea and has a bright future if he can get manufacturing going and control quality. Balls in his court, but financial backing is almost non existent at the moment so it's gonna be a tough to secure. good luck fella :daumenhoch:
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if he made any money, he should invest it in manufacturing frames in the UK. mass production abroad was a big balls step to try and realise.
Sad to say, but making bike frames in volume in the UK isn't a viable proposition. Finding someone who can mass produce quality bike frames in the UK is nigh on impossible. Even if you can find someone, the retail price would be too expensive for most people.
Manufacturing overseas is actually a lot easier and less expensive than manufacturing in the UK. This doesn't necessarily mean Taiwan. I've been looking into some US and Canadian options recently.
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but at the end of the day, people should buy product based on whether they like it or not, not because of who owns the company.
what you trying to tell us about Dialled, Mike?
:angel:
i'm saddened that young Dibly has got caught up in something like this - from the few times we've spoken and communicated - I like him. I love seeing people make a go of it and as a young man can't be expected to know everything we 'older' folk do - he simply lacked the experience but didn't let that stop him from giving it the best shot & pioneering a new manufacturing technique. His commitment to the brand & his ideas is demonstrated by his willingness to travel to Taiwan to deal with the manufacturing people directly - even tho the people who paid his salary wanted him to put his head in the sand.
Right now I'm sure he feels pretty depressed and embarrassed - I hope he recovers from that soon and gives it another go. He'll be 'older' and wiser from this bad experience. Everybody deserves a second chance.
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Whatever has gone on, hats off to Dibly for trying - don't really know the bloke but have a pair of forks from UK bike Co and very pleased with them. Whether or not they were financed by a larger company - he did a good job to get where he got in such a short space of time and I bet he's learnt a hell of a lot during his time on this.
I've got first hand experience of a company you are heavily involved getting into trouble, it's really stressful and knocks your confidence a hell of a lot. So all I can say is good luck to him on his next venture. :daumenhoch:
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but at the end of the day, people should buy product based on whether they like it or not, not because of who owns the company.
what you trying to tell us about Dialled, Mike?
:angel:
That comment cuts both ways. I wouldn't want people to buy my stuff just because they like/know me. I want people to buy/ride it on merit.
However, you can find out who owns Dialled Bikes Ltd by checking the Register of Companies. But to save you the trouble I can confirm that I own the company lock, stock and fooking lot (and I wouldn't have it any other way cos I hate being told what to do by anybody) :daumenhoch:
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if he made any money, he should invest it in manufacturing frames in the UK. mass production abroad was a big balls step to try and realise.
Sad to say, but making bike frames in volume in the UK isn't a viable proposition. Finding someone who can mass produce quality bike frames in the UK is nigh on impossible. Even if you can find someone, the retail price would be too expensive for most people.
Manufacturing overseas is actually a lot easier and less expensive than manufacturing in the UK. This doesn't necessarily mean Taiwan. I've been looking into some US and Canadian options recently.
not if you do it in house. polish will work for minimum wage or just above and some of them are very skilled. Paying a factory to make them means if it costs 50 they want 100+ and that will not work. £60+ per hour labour and the rest. You need to manufacture yourself to make the most money. Far east production can be far cheaper, but it's better in bulk. Too many companies want to squeeze every last cent out of the retail market with cheap far east manufacturing. The west has been digging a hole for itself for a long time with this short sighted get rich quick attitude.
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if he made any money, he should invest it in manufacturing frames in the UK. mass production abroad was a big balls step to try and realise.
Sad to say, but making bike frames in volume in the UK isn't a viable proposition. Finding someone who can mass produce quality bike frames in the UK is nigh on impossible. Even if you can find someone, the retail price would be too expensive for most people.
Manufacturing overseas is actually a lot easier and less expensive than manufacturing in the UK. This doesn't necessarily mean Taiwan. I've been looking into some US and Canadian options recently.
not if you do it in house. polish will work for minimum wage or just above and some of them are very skilled. Paying a factory to make them means if it costs 50 they want 100+ and that will not work. £60+ per hour labour and the rest. You need to manufacture yourself to make the most money. Far east production can be far cheaper, but it's better in bulk. Too many companies want to squeeze every last cent out of the retail market with cheap far east manufacturing. The west has been digging a hole for itself for a long time with this short sighted get rich quick attitude.
Absolutely Correct !!!
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A sponsored rider from newcastle was up hartlepool track riding a UK bike today. Spoke with him regarding the recent events. Such a shame when an obviously successful/trackable bike is under this cloud. Very sad. :-\
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I tend not to go onto these forums too often for the mere reasons that i have read over and over again so much crap about the ukbikeco issues.
I read the adult comments which i can praise for being constructively critical, and then comes the normal b/s from the 'experts' from the ill informed rumour mongers who have the average brain capacity of pond life. To the guys who think you have an absolute right to freedom of speech on these forums, you are well mistaken, and secondly do you ever think for one second to think that your words of wisdom about unknown bike co or any other new company in the UK for that matter may just have lead to the final nail in the coffin. If this is the case your slanderous remarks could be construed to be defamation of character. If Ukbikeco was a multi national and you continued to slate them, you could easily find yourself with a legal writ.
Dibly has done his best in the circumstances. He did not tell any lies about UK Bike Co, as some of you have said.
If you wish for it to be explained then I will; it is quite simple for those with a little wisdom. Dibly owns the IPR to UKBIKECO, and advocet are the sponsors of the project. In simple terms, advocet assist in the financing, and are the MLH or master licence holder. The relationship broke down between the two sides and that is how it stands. So he is not a liar.
I can say that I do not hear any comments about the other bike brands that came out of the same factory that also have had so much bother. Maybe someone can tell me those brands??? - what have you to say about their situation? What I can say is I am aware of 2 batches of frames of another top brand from the same factory have had bother also- and I mean a lot of returns but I certainly have not seen the same slanderous comments about them.
Just because you do not like something doesn't mean it is crap. What you guys have done to promote and support this brand within the uk is terrible and nothing to be proud of. I hope the brand raises its game and a rises above this.
I think this thread has seen its day and should be closed as I believe it is the same people on every bmx forum spreading the same crap about a true British Company trying to do their best for BMXing. A lot of companies have followed them, and I do not hear the same.
And who am I, I guess you are wondering. well I have been involved in the sport and industry from 1979 so I think I should have an idea by now what I am on about!
Close it down.
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Blimey.... that was a post and a half... ::)
I dont know much about the ins and outs of how bmx manufacturers run their businesses and i wont pretend to, im not gonna go back through the entire thread quoting previous posts but ive been looking in every now and then
One of the testers of the prototypes stated on this thread that there were problems with the prototypes and the first batch of frames... no sh1t... ::)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m48/markw33/Photo-0429.jpg)
I took that pic, the frame was 3 weeks old... the kid was gutted... and went on to break its replacement... :(
Sounds like a lack of development and a rush to get the product released and cash in to me... :-\
The return rate at my local and other bmx shops have been on average 33%....FACT... yes on average one third of frames sold have been broken... :shocked:
I'll stick with S&M the return rate on the LTF has been 0.5%
I'm sorry to say it but a secret heat treating process developed from samurai swords?... hmmm ... more like wilkinson sword... :laugh:
BMX is a close knit community and people talk, i attend skateparks with my son on a regular basis, you all get to know each other, these frames have gone down like a lead balloon i dont see the brand making any sort of come back
Maybe a well developed and tested 4.5lbs frame not made from "bendy wendy" tubing would be a start... oh and dont let the factory weld the downtubes in upsidedown... ???
If other brands have had similar return rates.... its been said before.... yawn... then name em???
Or maybe you dont wanna be faced with a writ?
If what im saying is a load of cr@p.... sue me... :D
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I can say that I do not hear any comments about the other bike brands that came out of the same factory that also have had so much bother. Maybe someone can tell me those brands??? - what have you to say about their situation? What I can say is I am aware of 2 batches of frames of another top brand from the same factory have had bother also- and I mean a lot of returns but I certainly have not seen the same slanderous comments about them.
That other company that you are talking about stopped using the factory as soon as they realized they were having problems with the poor quality. They took actions that made sure no more badly made product would carry their name, that is why their isolated problems did not become such a major issue.
They did not come out with excuses about down tubes being welded topsey-turvy or try and pretend it was a limited problem and regular production was fine.
As to all your comments about free speech, shutting threads, pond-life, true British companies, lies and legal action --> LOL!
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hyper123
I am pondlife...but I'd never let you in my pond.
I have a grudge against Dibly, no secret, he made me out to be lying in front of the forum. If you want to paint me as a liar you want be squeaky clean yourself.
Just incase you've forgotten what that was about (or more likely cos you are new here, wonder how you found us), I saw Mark Webb ripping up corby on a WTP Lofi after he was announced as "on the Unknown team" and got accused of making it up and tryign to stir up controversy etc, and told he was riding a UK. Of course he was still riding his old WTP with an Uknown decal. lol. No suprise there, people do that all the time ride a different frame with their sponsors decals, in this case just while he waited for his Uk frame, but being the sort of person he is Mr Block couldn't admit that.
Rider owned company?
The down tube issue, welded on the wrong way around? so the heat treated bit was the wrong end, thought they were "full heat treated"
British?
Only 3 have been returned?
The failures were ironed out in the production run?
It's not just the head tube/down tube issue there was a problem witht he chain stays flexing in the prototype and (some of?) the production models had the same issue.
I might well have been libelous here, that's because it was written, not slanderous, though to let you in on a little secret, I have been slanderous about these products too. :daumenhoch:
As for the libel it has to be false or derogatory, don't think I have done that about the products.
not heard much about the Premium products frames, but then they took nearly an extra year to get theirs to the market, maybe they made a few changes and ironed out a few kinks after the first one Dibly saw and thought, "oh I'd like to make some of those"
Did he design (lol) the frames whilst been paid by Avocet? Just curious.
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not if you do it in house. polish will work for minimum wage or just above and some of them are very skilled. Paying a factory to make them means if it costs 50 they want 100+ and that will not work. £60+ per hour labour and the rest. You need to manufacture yourself to make the most money. Far east production can be far cheaper, but it's better in bulk. Too many companies want to squeeze every last cent out of the retail market with cheap far east manufacturing. The west has been digging a hole for itself for a long time with this short sighted get rich quick attitude.
In-house is definitely the "ideal world" scenario. But BMX is nowhere near big enough in the UK to justify the set up costs and overheads and the risk.
Only 100% British in-house BMX frames I can think of at present are Curtis. Why don't more people buy Curtis instead of S&M, Standard, FBM, etc as they can also offer custom/handbuilt frames? Is it the £500 price tag that puts people off? I imagine that frames that retail for that price aren't a very attractive export either as potential distributors can buy "US made rider owned" frames for considerably less. So without exports, this limits the in-house UK manufacturer to a very small UK market with maybe a few overseas exports.
I think if doing things in-house was that easy, Raleigh, Rickman, DP, Beyond, Zima and Hidden Nation would still be around, but sadly aren't.
I agree that the West has dug a big hole for itself. Greedy captains of industry who put short term profit before long term stability.
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I think if doing things in-house was that easy, Raleigh, Rickman, DP, Beyond, Zima and Hidden Nation would still be around, but sadly aren't.
Mike
You are dead right but I think there is also the "fashion" thing too. No one would buy a Rickman, Raleigh, DP or Curtis at the moment cos they dont have a team of cool riders and a kickin image for themselves*. Kids now dont mind where their bikes are made, as long as they look good on them at the skatepark (this includes having the right weight on the frame spec). Im not saying that they would pay more for a UK made frame, but a company has to have something the kids want to buy into from the start.
*This isnt a good thing, its just how it is
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nail on head alex
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I think if doing things in-house was that easy, Raleigh, Rickman, DP, Beyond, Zima and Hidden Nation would still be around, but sadly aren't.
Mike
You are dead right but I think there is also the "fashion" thing too. No one would buy a Rickman, Raleigh, DP or Curtis at the moment cos they dont have a team of cool riders and a kickin image for themselves*. Kids now dont mind where their bikes are made, as long as they look good on them at the skatepark (this includes having the right weight on the frame spec). Im not saying that they would pay more for a UK made frame, but a company has to have something the kids want to buy into from the start.
*This isnt a good thing, its just how it is
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town... beep, beep!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2IdQgyxPo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2IdQgyxPo&feature=related)
:(
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I think if doing things in-house was that easy, Raleigh, Rickman, DP, Beyond, Zima and Hidden Nation would still be around, but sadly aren't.
Mike
You are dead right but I think there is also the "fashion" thing too. No one would buy a Rickman, Raleigh, DP or Curtis at the moment cos they dont have a team of cool riders and a kickin image for themselves*. Kids now dont mind where their bikes are made, as long as they look good on them at the skatepark (this includes having the right weight on the frame spec). Im not saying that they would pay more for a UK made frame, but a company has to have something the kids want to buy into from the start.
*This isnt a good thing, its just how it is
Alex, I agree 100%. I'm always saying to people on the race circuit that they aren't savvy enough how they spend their money. People moan that there aren't enough sponsors/teams in racing, then they go and put money into the pockets of companies that don't even have a UK race team. Perhaps if more people bought Curtis race frames, Gary would be able to sponsor a few riders and a race team.
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Hi,
I don't normally post on forums, as I am too busy down my local skate park funny enough!!!
But this time I have made an exception, as I'm so BORED of seeing the same people, sorry correction - the same bitter and repetitive people on the same forums talking the same old stories. I was just wondering if JT71 is getting "Royalties" for he's story about being made to look like a liar, if not you really could be coining it in JT71.
You know who you are, the one's that sit on-line all day, waiting in the wings to pounce on someone that may have something nice or pro active to say about a company that you do not like. Sorry but the people that count are the one's that actually ride the flaming products, not the one's ones that sit on their seat rolling back and forth at amateur nights, tutting loudly at anyone who dares approach them on a UK Frame.
If I had a pound for every time I have been asked If I fear for my safety riding a UK Frame, I would be a millionaire, and do you know what I would do with my millions, I would use the money to back Dibley in he's next venture, why, not only because I think he is a good guy with great idea's, but also so you guys would have something to talk/bitch/moan about.
I cannot be bothered to get into the whole UK Bike Co discussion on here, mainly as a few people's posts are not in anyway factual, interesting or intellectual, they are just down right rude/negative/boring/bitter/jealous etc. But too confirm I NEVER once heard Dibley say he owned the company, in fact he told me exactly who was backing him and where the money came from in ear shot of hundreds of you, but you probably couldn't hear over all that tutting
I not sure why some users are lacking human socialising skills, maybe their mother didn't pay them enough attention, maybe they have middle child syndrome or maybe they cannot perform..........on a bike that is!! :2funny:
Why do you feel the need to knock someone just because they made a decision to go for something and it didn't work out?
Does it make you feel better, more like a real man, help you sleep easier at night, or make you feel like you have had your little revenge because you couldn't ride for them/couldn't stock them/weighed to much for their frames???
Who cares, stop bickering, stop knocking people, why not for once try saying something nice, I promise it doesn't hurt.
One last thing, below are some forums that I cannot find the usual stories from the usual disgruntled riders on, so I have listed them for you. That way you can you spend your free time telling them about your hard-done by life! Apologies, but there's no more BMX Forums left, you've tarnished all those, so you will have to make do with these................
www.3angrymen.com
www.menopausematters.co.uk
www.oldfool.org
www.agonybooth.com/Forum
www.menshealthforum.org.uk
www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum
www.thecounsellingforum.co.uk
www.malaysiabrides.com/forum
www.forums.bellaonline.com/
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Nice first post. Good on ya for having your say :daumenhoch:
Where you from? Sound like you have riden with a few of the RAD members before.
Im not sure why you are pickin out JT71, he aint the only one who dont like UK bikes, much like you have said.
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great first few posts..
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Welcome mr whocareswhatJT71says, cool name, I'm flattered.
I haven't had any revenge at all, I have just sat and seen things unfold predictably, if I weigh too much for a UKnown frame so what, I'm a little heavier than I should be but if you're going to bully me for being fat then just go for it, I have broad shoulders. I don't "stock" any new school stuff at all and when it comes to riding I'm a 100% novice, but I try, so I'm not blessed with a perfect body and awesome bmx skills, I'm useless at footy too, but I play every week and I still sleep easy at night in the arms of a beautiful woman, who isn't my mother, I didn't order from the interent, i didn't meet her on a chat room and she's not my sister.
I love that you then ask, after pointing out that you're bored by my posts on the subject, why I knock Dibly....it's self explanatory.
I have plenty of good happy stuff to say, I share my happiness quite often, say lovely pretty things about stuff sometimes, in fact, quite often, but then you wouldn't know that cos you were pointed at one thread (I wonder who by?) and told to go and say really really bad things about JT71, rather than joining up nice and quiet, introducing yourself, having a little read of the forum to get a feel for people. What you did was base your entire picture of me on one thread someone told you to go and read, well I'm not going to apologise I openly admit I have a grudge, so there you go.
I look forward to reading your contributions on some other subjects some time, I'm sure you have a lot to offer RAD.
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http://www.malaysiabrides.com/forum/
Pete has been searching for that one for ages! Thanks for the link, we can get him hooked up now.
:daumenhoch:
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wow Dave that's actually a real forum....I could be gone sometime. :daumenhoch:
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Just for the record....
DIBLY is a decent bloke and I love him.... :smitten:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/oo309/burnerworld3/DSC_4277.jpg)
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and Beard is a decent bloke too.
and I love him in that special man to man way. :-*
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Welcome to the forum Hyper and Whocareswhat :)
Loving your work ;)
Just one small point I'd like to make - I don't think you'll find (if you do the research) that anyone on here had a dig at Dibly purely for 'having a go' at a bike company.
They may well have dug him out about other things, but not that. We like a tryer here.
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nuff bitchin in this thread you pricks >:(
ade :crazy2:
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:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
Don't beat around the bush mate, tell it how you see it!!! ;D
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Cant beat a bit of Salford Straight talk :daumenhoch:
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rob, life is short enough, no need for this amount of sh1te ..... live fast, ride faster ;)
dibly got talent & ok a mouth ..... and ? ::)
lets go !
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Cant beat a bit of Salford Straight talk :daumenhoch:
Oi large lad :D you just do as your lady says ... or else :-*
MUFC :crazy2:
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pipe down everyone,...
there's a new 'Jumping Rabbit Game' on the Lidl website ! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.service.g.index
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Cant beat a bit of Salford Straight talk :daumenhoch:
Oi large lad :D you just do as your lady says ... or else :-*
MUFC :crazy2:
Does every one know :-\ ;D See you in the summer love ;)
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pipe down everyone,...
there's a new 'Jumping Rabbit Game' on the Lidl website ! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.service.g.index
tut ...... ;D ...... i was just gettin my freak on :idiot2:
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pipe down everyone,...
there's a new 'Jumping Rabbit Game' on the Lidl website ! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.service.g.index
tut ...... ;D ...... i was just gettin my freak on :idiot2:
calm down Ade !! :LolLolLolLol:
and watch my fave Youtube vid of all time :4_17_5:
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;D :D
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Biscuit Chimp, (http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/p88/dirtbiker250f/bullseye-1.jpg) :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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You've all lost me now - I know fook all about football...... :-[
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pipe down everyone,...
there's a new 'Jumping Rabbit Game' on the Lidl website ! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.service.g.index
tut ...... ;D ...... i was just gettin my freak on :idiot2:
calm down Ade !! :LolLolLolLol:
and watch my fave Youtube vid of all time :4_17_5:
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;D :D
love you man :-*
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You've all lost me now - I know fook all about football...... :-[
a few more games in the blue note will sort that out Rob.
:daumenhoch:
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crazy stuff :shocked:
i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
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Ride it!
Cheers
Paul
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crazy stuff :shocked:
i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
Let me have it Joe.... :daumenhoch:
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crazy stuff :shocked:
i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
camo bed spread nice bailee said :P
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after reading this on bike guide i had to post a link
http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=177958
humble pie anyone????????????
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crazy stuff :shocked:
i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
Send it to me if yor uncertain as to what to do :daumenhoch:
build it and ride it mate.
Steve.
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crazy stuff :shocked:
i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
id fill out the warranty card asap!
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always the positive answer ::)
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after reading this on bike guide i had to post a link
http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=177958
humble pie anyone????????????
I dont know anyone involved with this bike company and i dont want to BUT i remember you getting SLAGGED off on this site regarding these 'cracked' framesets and you was getting PELTERS over it!!! Fair play though to you as it shows you wasnt talking out of your ass. :daumenhoch:
Bet your like the cat that got the cream now. ;D
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i got home from a few months travels to fid this on my bed,
wtf do i do with it?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05500.jpg)
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40440000/jpg/_40440195_dustybin2032.jpg)
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My friend just posted this pics on his website. I thought they might go well on this thread.
For the record, Ive got nothing against Dibbly (but I also like JT71??). I think Dibbly had a nice job for a while, I hope he enjoyed it had had a good time while it lasted. Ive yet to see any evidence of his "great ideas" and I didnt rate any of the UK bikes products I saw, but its not like any of them were aimed at me, so why should I like them.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike3.jpg)
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kin ell :shocked:
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Thats the worst i have ever seen. OUCH! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
So after pages and pages on previous threads regarding unkown's apparent cracked frames epidemic can we now all agree that they do crack. :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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alot of bikes crack nick ,these crack bigger brands crack .these are in the spotlight at the moment so any cracks get web fed all over.
the next big brand will also crack and on and on we go.the bigger more mental the riders get then it will happen more and more...5LB should be the industry weight.
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alot of bikes crack nick ,these crack bigger brands crack .these are in the spotlight at the moment so any cracks get web fed all over.
the next big brand will also crack and on and on we go.the bigger more mental the riders get then it will happen more and more...5LB should be the industry weight.
You have to laugh, the good old PK Ripper cracked almost everywhere back in the day ;D. I think everyone of the fookers we sold at Heff's came back broken ::). Cracking/breaking frames is nothing new ::) .
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alot of bikes crack nick ,these crack bigger brands crack .these are in the spotlight at the moment so any cracks get web fed all over.
the next big brand will also crack and on and on we go.the bigger more mental the riders get then it will happen more and more...5LB should be the industry weight.
Totally agree Dan. Its just that this particular brand created alot of fuss on this site and alot of peeps on here stuck up for the company and many denied that they were even having problems with framesets. Now looks like a case of egg on the face mate for many. :daumenhoch:
Besides i know fook all about new skool but thought i would add my two pence worth and jump on the bandwagon like many do on here. :)
Pointless comments by me really.
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alot of bikes crack nick ,these crack bigger brands crack .these are in the spotlight at the moment so any cracks get web fed all over.
the next big brand will also crack and on and on we go.the bigger more mental the riders get then it will happen more and more...5LB should be the industry weight.
You have to laugh, the good old PK Ripper cracked almost everywhere back in the day ;D. I think everyone of the fookers we sold at Heff's came back broken ::). Cracking/breaking frames is nothing new ::) .
True Mart and they were a best seller. Its amazing as bitd we would have anticipated that frames would be industructable in 2009.
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You have to laugh, the good old PK Ripper cracked almost everywhere back in the day ;D. I think everyone of the fookers we sold at Heff's came back broken ::). Cracking/breaking frames is nothing new ::) .
I dont really think that cracking a frame is THAT bad. It just shows that its not the frame for you. You are either too heavy for it or you have used it for the wrong type of riding. If you made a super light weight frame for RACE TRACK ONLY, and someone used it for freestyle then it would probably snap. Doesnt mean its a bad race frame. Maybe UK bikes should be more clear about what their frames are intended for cos Mark Web sure aint no glass smooth BMX racer.
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i wont disagree ,they have issues they need upgrading
i can see egg all over the place up the walls and on the floor,i still cant see 95% of the egg chuckers ever getting of their butts
and traveling the world and trying it themselves ,,for that i give darren a big up,might not have been his money but if the company didnt trust they wouldnt have put the funds up.
effort is something most dont have just keyboard fingers.
if you ride a frame thats not within your riding skills then its you whos to blame for being a fashion victim
the kids dont know better its a must have item i hope no kid gets hurt ,if big 20 set riders buy them then complain then sorry use your noodle.
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anyone want a brand new boxed "21 revolution frame?
pm me :daumenhoch:
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what you want for it?
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anyone want a brand new boxed "21 revolution frame?
Haha, is this really the best thread to be trying to sell one? :LolLolLolLol:
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sell it?? :-\ dam i thought he was giving it away!
;D
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alot of bikes crack nick ,these crack bigger brands crack .
The frequency that these cracked is the issue though combined with not fixing the problem and just denying it in order to sell more.
i still cant see 95% of the egg chuckers ever getting of their butts
and traveling the world and trying it themselves
For personal attacks against Dibly that might be valid but you do not need any qualifications to notice that taking that much weight (material) from a frame on the grounds of a top secret heat treatment process and unknowns superior intellect over all previous frame manufactures does not add up. Then once the cracks started turning up, just because someone was too lazy or had no inclination to "get off their butts" does not somehow prevent them from forming a negative opinion and expressing it.
if you ride a frame thats not within your riding skills then its you whos to blame for being a fashion victim
the kids dont know better its a must have item.
You cannot solely blame the kids for not knowing better, they just fell for what they were being told hook line and sinker. At the end of the day no amount of "egg throwing" even barely scratched the surface of the shiny image painted by Brian Tunney, Mark Noble, Unknown and all the people standing by these frames and were equally quick to jump up and beat down anyone who dared suggest any criticism.
It was the false hype created by unknown's initial claims that would have "tricked" those fashion victims into wasting their money on the wrong frame.
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i still think that if the frames didnt crack they would have still got jumped on as a new comer.
the hype is surely the marketing machine pushing the brand ,it was doing what it was ment to do.
given time ,i would think they could have got the frame nailed but the weight would have had to have rissen
then it would have been inline with most other frame companies and had to fight more for the sale...
todays brands had to start in a hit and miss way i would think, but yes maybe a fare bit more protowork they all got there in they end well most did .
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My last 2p's worth on the subject.
Although there have been alot of them broken but how many actually broke through normal riding ?
What I mean is that kids today are fashion victims, when this frame came out everyone wanted one because they were sooooo lite, then a few start to break and if one kid breaks his and says it's shit well all his friends will no longer want theirs either because it's now not cool to have, so what's to say that many of these frame haven't been damaged with some kid smahing his front end into a wall to break it to get a claim !
I'm not going to go into the politics behind the company and all the he said she said stuff coz I don't know Dibly or anyone else at Unknown bikes but I can't see all of these frame being broken with normal use.
Steve.
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i still think that if the frames didnt crack they would have still got jumped on as a new comer.
the hype is surely the marketing machine pushing the brand ,it was doing what it was ment to do.
I can not see any other cases where something new was so negatively jumped on. Subrosa, Sunday, DeLuxe, Eclat, none of these have received the same abuse, especially not for being new.
There is quite a large gap between pushing a brand and being intentionally deceptive when it comes to generating marketing hype.
so what's to say that many of these frame haven't been damaged with some kid smahing his front end into a wall to break it to get a claim !
The fact that is no material in the frame where it is needed and that there never was any special heat treatment process to compensate for the consequences of removing so much metal from a frame.
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i agree and disagree but respect your opinion.
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i agree and disagree but respect your opinion.
Who's username or mine ????
Steve.
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username
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some kid smahing his front end into a wall to break it to get a claim !
I totally see your point but in those pics I posted of the snapped frame, the headtube is raked out forwards. No smashing into a wall would to that.
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Alex my comments weren't due to the pics you posted mate :daumenhoch:
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My friend just posted this pics on his website. I thought they might go well on this thread.
For the record, Ive got nothing against Dibbly (but I also like JT71??). I think Dibbly had a nice job for a while, I hope he enjoyed it had had a good time while it lasted. Ive yet to see any evidence of his "great ideas" and I didnt rate any of the UK bikes products I saw, but its not like any of them were aimed at me, so why should I like them.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/ukbike3.jpg)
???
Alex, how did he manage to do that?
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these frames all broke because they were poorly designed,not because some kid bashed their frame off a wall! they were shit from day one and anyone who seen the photo of the catastrophic failure in the previous page has a death wish if they continue to ride one of these frames or like most people on here doesnt actually ride their bike but just hangs it on the wall.
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"just hangs it on the wall" :LolLolLolLol:
Now, some people might argue that the wall is the safest place for one of them!!
Surely though, the design was ok. it was just the lack of meat that's the problem?
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these frames all broke because they were poorly designed,not because some kid bashed there frame off a wall! they were shit from day one and anyone who seen the photo of the catastrophic failure in the previous page has a death wish if they continue to ride one of these frames or like most people on here doesnt actually ride there bike but just hangs it on the wall.
that deffo looks like it had been cracked then forced downwards post crackage, but who am i to speculate, most people on this site do ride THEIR bikes, you twit
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I was gonna contribute to this adult debate but I've gotta catch B&Q before it closes, I need some new wall hooks.
Daz. :)
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most people on this site do ride THEIR bikes, you twit
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ha ha mountain bikes more like most of you are past it!
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past it my arse!
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im past it.
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I never got near it.....
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most people on this site do ride THEIR bikes, you twit
ha ha mountain bikes more like most of you are past it!
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Can't speak for everyone but I ride mountain bikes, and road bikes, and fixies, and my cruiser but none of them with stabilisers there Judge..........
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For the record, Ive got nothing against Dibbly (but I also like JT71??). I think Dibbly had a nice job for a while, I hope he enjoyed it had had a good time while it lasted. Ive yet to see any evidence of his "great ideas" and I didnt rate any of the UK bikes products I saw, but its not like any of them were aimed at me, so why should I like them.
FFS Alex, you're like a self-righteous dog with a bone.
Whine, whine, feckin whine. :idiot2:
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I think Alex has earned the right.
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play gentle brethrens
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/ww61/Bassybekx/badgergamingultimatespray.gif)
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Ob-la-di ob-la-da life goes on there,
Lala how the life goes on,
Obladi oblada life goes on there,
Lalala how life goes on.
:daumenhoch:
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Jesus christ, you really are showing your age now!!
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I think Alex has earned the right.
So has Deardrie Barlow, dont make it listenable
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Are you serious?
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never :LolLolLolLol:
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:P :-*
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that deffo looks like it had been cracked then forced downwards post crackage, but who am i to speculate
he's been lucky the top tube creased, rather than shearing, possibly saving a nasty injury.
obviously its all happened in the one impact, why would you bother bending it afterwards?
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that deffo looks like it had been cracked then forced downwards post crackage, but who am i to speculate
obviously its all happened in the one impact, why would you bother bending it afterwards?
obviously, to paint an even darker picture. :-[
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ok, they do crack...
about a month or so ago I witnessed one of unknowns frame's cracking at creation, pretty much all of the locals gathered around , slatted it, and then set about trying to 'finish the job' smashing it.. banging it about, so on and so forth..
they pretty much got it into the state as seen in Alex's picture.. after nearly all! had a go!
i've cracked loads of frames, all different brands, nothing like what I witnessed at creation happened tho..
the way I see it, non of us.. and I mean non of us know the REAL story behind dibly & avo'whatever, more over because, nearly all of us haven't tryed or bothered to try what he did! fact!
better to have tryed and all that..
I'm pretty sure he isn't at home bathing in a bath tub of £££'s as we speak, infact.. I bet he's wondering what to do next.
he tryed to make something work in BMX, and for that he got??? shit from internet user's...
I've had things go wrong customers cars, when it happens, I start again, redo what I got wrong...
kinda like a 'LIFETIME WARRENTY' ..
some of his ideas may have been way, way off, but he tryed...
and just for the record, I ride nearly everyday, I fall everytime and get up with a smile..(mostly!)
the time I spend on this site is because I enjoy this site, as for me... its a real BMX site!!
hey JT71.. lunch times sessions bro? when we going to restart the awfull habbit again?
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:daumenhoch:
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If some people need to look at this on personal terms and defend dibly then that's fine, give him 10/10 for "trying" and a little gold star. But as far as I am concerned it is the frames that are always the root of these discussions, specifically the broken ones. The kids who bought these frames paid their money and did not get what they were being told they had paid for. All the people blindly defending dibly and celebrating him "trying" really need to separate the failure of the frames from the person and accept that there is some justification for other people to hold a different and more negative opinion.
If peoples feelings are hurt because they feel nasty, unjustified things are being said, the frames cracked at an unacceptably high rate and more and more batches were ordered when that was already a blatant problem. I believe the factory is incapable of building frames to the quality they promise and highly culpable but wether it was the factory's claim that the heat treatment would "make" a 3.5lb frame ok or dibly's the repeat orders still got made and somebody has to shoulder some responsibility. All those frames did not order themselves.
I really have not seen any serious attack on dibly himself even in the most heated discussions, just the frames. I am sure dibly's pm box didn't swell up with hate messages like mine did from his fanboys for questioning and attempting to discuss his claims.
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me and about 3-4 guys could make them frames(or any frames) in the uk and retail them at that price, piece of piss. I wouldn't ride a bike that light though, i could snap a grifter. In house bmx, uk made. anybody want to throw some brass in and get a company going? (engineers only need apply and one loaded muthafooker)
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FFS Alex, you're like a self-righteous dog with a bone.
Whine, whine, feckin whine.
Just saying it like I see it.
Sorry if that offends
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me and about 3-4 guys could make them frames(or any frames) in the uk and retail them at that price, piece of piss. I wouldn't ride a bike that light though, i could snap a grifter. In house bmx, uk made. anybody want to throw some brass in and get a company going? (engineers only need apply and one loaded muthafooker)
If someone wanted to start to produce Frames or whatever, it only takes the idea & getting off your ass & finding a way of doing it, how do you think S&E, Haro, Hoffman etc started, they did not have backing of someone who is loaded, they started small & built.
Has anyone here heard of PING Golf Clubs ??? The guy who started the company Karsten Solheim (RIP), started making Putters in his garage in his spare time forty or so years ago, PING are now one of the biggest Golf Club Manufactures in the world & I think one of the best.
All I know if you really want to do something you will find a way :daumenhoch:
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im in lets make a 1lb frame
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Totally agree Chris. If you really wanna do it then you can. Just gotta put the time and effort into it and have the bollox and lastly.......TIME!
Has anyone ever designed a frame made from plastic ie ABS? I know carbon fibre has been used? Just wondered? ???
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I know a few people who started making BMX frames in their shed (in the UK). They both made very nice frames, but its hard to make it cost effective.
One of them has almost finished the Motorbike his is making now, he made the frame from scratch. Its so nice.
(there are some posts about it on this blog http://dirtbikeaction.blogspot.com/ )
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that deffo looks like it had been cracked then forced downwards post crackage, but who am i to speculate
he's been lucky the top tube creased, rather than shearing, possibly saving a nasty injury.
obviously its all happened in the one impact, why would you bother bending it afterwards?
how is it obvious? the temptation to try n pull it apart after the initial crack/snap would deffo be there, its fooked anyway, these are kids bikes n thats what kids do
ive looked but i aint got time to find it (got a life me like :daumenhoch:), someone posted a mid school clip on youtube of a couple of dudes trying to rip the front end off a snapped bike, poss a gt, in a car park
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Thats what i love about this country we do tend to kick people when there down :-[
I for one am sorry it didn't work out for Dibbly "God loves a tryer."
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i dont think darrens done yet just a blip.
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The fact that is no material in the frame where it is needed and that there never was any special heat treatment process to compensate for the consequences of removing so much metal from a frame.
I must admit that when those 3.5lb park frames came out I was sceptical about the weight and the "special heat treatment", simply because (a) it would be hard to design a reliable cro-moly pro size BMX race frame at that weight; and (b) if the heat treating process was that unique/special, then surely a more established company than UK Bike Co/Avocet would have got the rights to it first (I thought it was odd that a new company would be able to get exclusivity as claimed, ahead of the big boys out there).
However, I bit my tongue and didn't say anything as it's too easy to be cynical without giving something a chance to prove itself. Unfortunately, these frames didn't prove themselves and the cynics doubts have been justified.
I think Usernames comment above hits the nail on the head really, that no special heat treating process can compensate for the right amount of quality tubing being used in the right places, and proper/thorough testing. If UK/Avocet had tested those bikes for a decent period of time, rather than rushing straight to market, all of this bad press (and broken frames) could have been avoided. Better to err on the side of caution when reputation (and people's health/lives) are on the line.
But fair play to Dibly for giving it a go. Hopefully he will have learned plenty from this experience to make his next bike company a success. And hopefully people will start seeing through the fashion and hype and buy stuff on merit rather jumping on the "this is the next big thing" bandwagon.
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that deffo looks like it had been cracked then forced downwards post crackage, but who am i to speculate
he's been lucky the top tube creased, rather than shearing, possibly saving a nasty injury.
obviously its all happened in the one impact, why would you bother bending it afterwards?
how is it obvious? the temptation to try n pull it apart after the initial crack/snap would deffo be there, its fooked anyway, these are kids bikes n thats what kids do
ive looked but i aint got time to find it (got a life me like :daumenhoch:), someone posted a mid school clip on youtube of a couple of dudes trying to rip the front end off a snapped bike, poss a gt, in a car park
have not found the vid yet but it has been posted on here, but have heard that bike in said vid was a performer and i have been informed that it was YOU! :LolLolLolLol: bending it like a bast@rd after it was cracked ::) why oh foooooookin why would you bother? eh? why? :LolLolLolLol: fookin :LolLolLolLol: fookin :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
could some one pleeeease dig up said clip, and if i have been misinformed i will apologise, but would be funny as fook if i'm not :D
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There ya go...
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poor bike :'( oh thats dreadful :'( how could.....why would.......anybody do that? Fookin :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
how many of you did it take to fold diblys frame then?
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"21 tt revolution frame on e-bay now :daumenhoch:
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that was actually an ex-fiola performer, how does that make you feel?
it was over ten years old at the time and wasn't under warranty. if i snapped my under warranty frame i wouldnt be trying to bend it further, as im sure a company wouldnt warranty a bike that had appeared to be deliberately damaged.
do you have evidence of kids bending the toptube on the uk bike?
as soon as it was announced that the frame was 1 pound lighter than similar rivals i was curious, but when asked why it was lighter and the answer was 'a secret process', i called bullshit.
christ, every step of the way this uk bike co have been proved to be badly designed, badly built, badly marketed, ugly, and weak. the guy in charge has been proven to be a liar and the team riders rode other bikes, how much evidence do you need to admit uk bike co was a waste of time?
it keeps reverting to this 'slag them because theyre new', which simply is not the case. lots of new companies have thrived out of the uk in the last ten years, purely by having a no-nonsense attitude when it comes to design, marketing, and PROMISES.
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:LolLolLolLol:
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"21 tt revolution frame on e-bay now :daumenhoch:
Fook :shocked: thats cheep, where did you get it ???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-frame-uk-bike-co-unknown-revolution-21-frame-s-m_W0QQitemZ130301613994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item130301613994&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
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"21 tt revolution frame on e-bay now :daumenhoch:
Fook :shocked: thats cheep, where did you get it ???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-frame-uk-bike-co-unknown-revolution-21-frame-s-m_W0QQitemZ130301613994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item130301613994&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
direct from unknown, i was planning to build it as light as i could but my oz&nz travels have drained my finances so its got to go :'(
fre p&p for rad members :smitten:
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1, that was actually an ex-fiola performer, how does that make you feel?
it was over ten years old at the time and wasn't under warranty. if i snapped my under warranty frame i wouldnt be trying to bend it further, as im sure a company wouldnt warranty a bike that had appeared to be deliberately damaged.
do you have evidence of kids bending the toptube on the uk bike?
as soon as it was announced that the frame was 1 pound lighter than similar rivals i was curious, but when asked why it was lighter and the answer was 'a secret process', i called bullshit.
2, christ, every step of the way this uk bike co have been proved to be badly designed, badly built, badly marketed, ugly, and weak. the guy in charge has been proven to be a liar and the team riders rode other bikes, how much evidence do you need to admit uk bike co was a waste of time?
3, it keeps reverting to this 'slag them because theyre new', which simply is not the case. lots of new companies have thrived out of the uk in the last ten years, purely by having a no-nonsense attitude when it comes to design, marketing, and PROMISES.
1, Fantastic :daumenhoch: you don't know me, so don't assume.
2, i know fook all about bike building so have not once argued against honest critism within these threads (as i can remember)
3, its the slagging for slaggings sake that that bores me
i would like to think, (that within the context of diblys bikes threads only, not in general), that the credibility of your claims due to the hypocracy of your "why would you bother" statement and your general approach to this topic, goes someway to getting this thread back to an intelligent discussion.
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"21 tt revolution frame on e-bay now :daumenhoch:
Fook :shocked: thats cheep, where did you get it ???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/bmx-frame-uk-bike-co-unknown-revolution-21-frame-s-m_W0QQitemZ130301613994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item130301613994&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
That won't be on there long, lovin the pic with the warranty card :daumenhoch:
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1hr of my life i will never get back.
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1hr of my life i will never get back.
took me two hours.. :LolLolLolLol:
only part of this thread i enjoyed was that pic of a kickturn. ;)
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Cant believe they fooked that performer. :uglystupid2:
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Cant believe they fooked that performer. :uglystupid2:
Yes, but why would they bother ::)
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It looked like a long time ago judging by the mini metro he put it in.
Maybe they didnt realise the amount an old skool bmx would fetch in 2009 :LolLolLolLol:
ps. chris i will try and arrange next week to see you for the padset. Busy as been away mate.
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i do chuckle at that vid everytime i see it :)
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Cant believe they fooked that performer. :uglystupid2:
Yes, but why would they bother ::)
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1, Fantastic :daumenhoch: you don't know me, so don't assume.
i never assumed anything, i only asked an opinion, something everyone is entitled to.
2, i know fook all about bike building so have not once argued against honest critism within these threads (as i can remember)
good for you, please point out once where i've made a claim without proof of backing it up.
3, its the slagging for slaggings sake that that bores me
i don't or never have 'slagged for slaggings sake', please show me where in your opinion, incase i missed it.
i would like to think, (that within the context of diblys bikes threads only, not in general), that the credibility of your claims due to the hypocracy of your "why would you bother" statement and your general approach to this topic, goes someway to getting this thread back to an intelligent discussion.
i don't believe i've made any hypocritical claims throughout the entire 'uk bike co.' history.
from the start i've doubted the quality of the frames, and was spoken out against. the frames were described as being as strong and lighter as anything else on the market. i don't want to see anyone lose their job (especially in this day and age), and still wish dibbly all the best, but i'd love to see anyone show me any benefit to the entire 'uk bike co.' sage, apart from keeping dibbly off the dole for a year.
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i was serious, anybody want to start a bike co.
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I know I said my last 2p's worth but I was just thinking:
When dibly started Unknown bikes they were just that UNKNOWN.
But after all the things that have happened they are without a doubt WELL KNOWN BIKES
AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD ADVERTISING ! :LolLolLolLol:
OK i PROMISE i WON'T SAY ANYMORE !!!
Cheers,
Steve.
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1, Fantastic :daumenhoch: you don't know me, so don't assume.
i never assumed anything, i only asked an opinion, something everyone is entitled to.
2, i know fook all about bike building so have not once argued against honest critism within these threads (as i can remember)
good for you, please point out once where i've made a claim without proof of backing it up.
3, its the slagging for slaggings sake that that bores me
i don't or never have 'slagged for slaggings sake', please show me where in your opinion, incase i missed it.
i would like to think, (that within the context of diblys bikes threads only, not in general), that the credibility of your claims due to the hypocracy of your "why would you bother" statement and your general approach to this topic, goes someway to getting this thread back to an intelligent discussion.
i don't believe i've made any hypocritical claims throughout the entire 'uk bike co.' history.
from the start i've doubted the quality of the frames, and was spoken out against. the frames were described as being as strong and lighter as anything else on the market. i don't want to see anyone lose their job (especially in this day and age), and still wish dibbly all the best, but i'd love to see anyone show me any benefit to the entire 'uk bike co.' sage, apart from keeping dibbly off the dole for a year.
1, i just thought it a very immature comment ( but thats me being hypocritical :LolLolLolLol:)
2, im afraid you may be guilty by association as you picked up on my post picking up on streejudges post, who only logs into slag and is a twit.
3, hypocritical was a bit harsh, "conveniently amnesic" would have better suited the "why would you bother" statement, which i personally think its what kids would do, they aint gonna be thinkin of voiding warrenty.
onward n upwards, again
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Very Eloquent Mr.Jones.... :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
Mr.Teamsano.... there is only one 'B' in DiBly..... :daumenhoch:
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AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD ADVERTISING ! :LolLolLolLol:
I don't know who it was who invented that saying, but it gets used a lot, and is a complete load of bollox. If you think Dibly is happy about Unknown's infamy/notoriety, you must have a screw loose. I'm sure he wanted his company to be well known for the right reasons, not the wrong ones. Anyone with any pride in their company/product would be mortified by this kind of adverse publicity (aka bad advertising).
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There ya go...
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What fookin language are they speaking? I can't work out if it's some form of backward scotch or Norwegian. :LolLolLolLol:
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AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD ADVERTISING ! :LolLolLolLol:
Anyone with any pride in their company/product would be mortified by this kind of adverse publicity (aka bad advertising).
I doubt Avocet are bothered.
It was mentioned way back in this thread that nobody "in the know" would now take Avocet seriously but from what I have seen, for the kids who were buying these and who believed the hype NOTHING HAS CHANGED. To them, unknown is still awesome and as far as they are concerned the frames that Avocet say are due here in 7 weeks (because it takes that long to "specially heat treat the tubes"- LOL) are new, improved versions and they are pissing their little pants for them. They are totally oblivious to the behind the scenes going on.
It seems to me that Avocet are going to just sit on dibly's hard work as a route into the high end bmx market and with them at the helm, the situation is even worse than it was before. The kids are not going to question wether Avocet "belong" in the bmx industry and if they are waving cash about I cannot see retail shops being able to convince them otherwise and have no choice but to continue ordering them.
Dibly has created a monster and (unintentionally) left it in control of a corporation that has no care for and no insight into the high end bmx industry.
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Never really heard of Avocet before so did some digging - well googled them - and checked out their range of bikes at
http://www.avocetsports.com/index.html
What an utter pile of shite!
I've never seen such a bad range of bikes. Of all of them there is one which I may say looks quarter decent and that is their top end Carbon MTB but even then I'm not sure I'd trust it as the others seem really badly designed and spec'd so I'm sure this is the same deep down.
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i have a coyote dark angel
i do everything on it and my oldest son uses it on streets and the only thing that has bust is the bb
strong as an ox
russ
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Fair enough Madd dogg - shows you never can tell what something is like until you've tried it and if it does the job then ride it, but I hope you've changed the seat!
;)
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Yes they are an utter pile of shite, and that's the polite way of saying it.
i have a coyote dark angel
i do everything on it and my oldest son uses it on streets and the only thing that has bust is the bb
strong as an ox
russ
That may be true about it not breaking under you or your son's use but are you seriously trying to say they are a good bicycle company and that because one of their products have not broken that that they belong in the high end bmx market?
I don't care if you feel it's as "strong as an ox". For all his faults, dibly has left them with a hig profile company image (in the eyes of the most vulnerably naive) that they would never have been able to create on their own and they are just going to milk it at the expense (literally in £ and $) of "real" bmx companies that truly support the industry and without them we would be fukked.
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thing is with the angel
it weighs a ton,,and the frame tings like it should ,,a good solid sound
nowt wrong with the seat though :shocked:
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Come on, be serious, how can you say there is nothing wrong with this seat - it looks like something to cushion ladies haemeroides and must be heavier than the frame itself!!!
:LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.avocetsports.com/img/corp/coyoteBMX08/darkangel.jpg)
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WELL IT HOLD S MY FAT ARSE OK
AND NO I AINT TRYIN TO SAY THERE A GOOD COMPANY AT ALL AND IS PROBS LOADS OF THEIR BIKES BUST
BUT MINE AINT :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
WAT GETS ME THOUGH IS THEY WERE SORRY ARE PITCHING THEM FRAMES UP THERE WITH S& M AND THE LIKES AND THERE JUST AINT NO COMPARISON
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"debacle"
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"debacle"
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The public shame and disgrace part is true but it was hardly "sudden", there are still plenty out there that choose not to believe what is blindingly obvious, and Avocet are just going to continue raping anything they can out of it until the "pr/branding" illusion they have inherited evaporates. That is not good.
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username , has dibly been shagging your wife or mum ? you seem to have a whole buch of hatred for the man
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username , has dibly been shagging your wife or mum ? you seem to have a whole buch of hatred for the man
I see it more like username has an understanding of the awful effects of a bad company bringing out out crap bikes to make a fast buck. Way more than someone just making a mistake and making a frame that wasnt so good.
Raleigh .... burners .... Death of BMX for a few years .... anyone ...... ? :-X
(Ok, maybe that was a bit dramatic >:D)
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your not to far wrong young alex just watch out for the missiles :LolLolLolLol:
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your not to far wrong young alex
I have a MTB friend who gets really wound up about full sus, disc braked MTBs for £99. He says they are so heavy, horrid to ride, and nasty that all they do it put kids off riding bikes cos they get one, and would rather walk. I know this UK bikes thing isnt the same, but if kids save up to get what they think is a good frame (thanks to PR money, rather than design money), they end up with an experiance that puts them (and their perents) off BMX, rather than bringing them in.
Again, this is taking things to the extream, but this is what can happen.
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username , has dibly been shagging your wife or mum ? you seem to have a whole buch of hatred for the man
I should not have to hold your hand while you read for you to be able to comprehend my posts, but here goes:
For personal attacks against Dibly that might be valid but you do not need any qualifications to notice that taking that much weight (material) from a frame on the grounds of a top secret heat treatment process and unknowns superior intellect over all previous frame manufactures does not add up. Then once the cracks started turning up, just because someone was too lazy or had no inclination to "get off their butts" does not somehow prevent them from forming a negative opinion and expressing it.
Dibly has created a monster and (unintentionally) left it in control of a corporation that has no care for and no insight into the high end bmx industry.
If some people need to look at this on personal terms and defend dibly then that's fine, give him 10/10 for "trying" and a little gold star. But as far as I am concerned it is the frames that are always the root of these discussions, specifically the broken ones.
I can accept you are trying to be funny, but I have been clearly seperating the frames/product from any personal issues. It really is not too complicated.
Please try harder. If you feel the need to publicly blow your buddy that's fine, don't somehow use that to question my oppinions while you humiliate yourself due to your inability to see what I am saying.
It's true I have very little respect after being lied to, having my questions and points ignored on the grounds that somehow his superior intelligence and success justified his lack of response and ultimately I do feel he is responsible for the horrific decisions that contributed the the whole unknown saga BUT I have kept all my comments relative to the frames / business side of things and not strayed into personal attacks.
It's two separate things and I fail to see how the people who keep making these "personal attack" statements cannot differentiate between them.
My Mum has also contributed to the bmx scene (specifically the part that is championed here on RAD) more than enough to be left out of these discussions.
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:2funny: :2funny: i dont even know dibly sunshine , as for trying to be funny well that is all i can try to do . this thread is almost as much fun as jimmy p's " stick it to the man threads " ( no offence jimmy ) it just seems that what needed to have been said has already been said . so time to jog on pal , lighten up :D
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Yawn, yawn, yawn, it's boring the shit out of me now
Bru :daumenhoch:
my point exactly ! :yahoo_silent:
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:2funny: :2funny: i dont even know dibly sunshine , as for trying to be funny well that is all i can try to do . this thread is almost as much fun as jimmy p's " stick it to the man threads " ( no offence jimmy ) it just seems that what needed to have been said has already been said . so time to jog on pal , lighten up :D
Yawn, yawn, yawn, it's boring the shit out of me now
Bru :daumenhoch:
Yawn, yawn, yawn, it's boring the shit out of me now
Bru :daumenhoch:
my point exactly ! :yahoo_silent:
If you both are bored and tired of this thread there are plenty of others and or can always start a new one.
As for jogging on, I am here in the "bmx chat" section having a chat about bmx. What is your problem with that? And how do you imagine you can bring anybodies Mother and Wife into this, based solely on your inability to read and comprehend the posts in a thread and then tell them to "jog on"?
What is happening post-dibly with ukbikeco and Avocet's involvement in the high end bmx market is interesting to me and affects the industry as a whole. You are not the judge of when "everything that's been needed to say has been said" and please refrain from making dumb comments about my family and who may or may not be shagging them.
Luckily my Mother refuses to look at this site anymore after before she had a chance to post a "hello" in the Eddie thread she was forced to log out after reading Pickle's comment wondering if Denise Barter, another of her old friends (and someone whose efforts contributed massively to racing, freestyle and skatepark riding) "took it up the shitter". My daughters still look in here though and your attempts at humor regarding their Grandmother and Mother are not appreciated, no matter how dull you find this thread.
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ye keep it level chaps or i will remove any nasty posts.
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[Raleigh .... burners .... Death of BMX for a few years .... anyone ...... ? :-X
(Ok, maybe that was a bit dramatic >:D)
Do I have get involved here Mr.Leech.... :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
As 'Defender of The Faith' in reference to all thing 'Raleigh' & 'Burner' it is my duty to protect the British BMX Icon that is... The BURNER... :Great_Britain: :daumenhoch:
Now back off...!!!!!!!!!!!!!! before it gets ugly... :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1:
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burners were nodads- fact :)
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They were also the biggest selling BMX bike in the UK - fact.
The geometry was pants and the build quality poor - fact.
But they introduced thousands of kids to the fun of BMX - fact.
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Now back away from ya PC's before I am forced to unleash the full force of BURNERWORLD. :knuppel2:
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nodads!!!
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lol :) :)
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I have to admit that MK1 Tuff Burner is a gem from yesteryear
Never had a Burner , but that one was one of my faves with a Black Ultra :smitten:
Jesus did I just say all that :shocked:
:LolLolLolLol:
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go outside now and roll in some nettles!!!
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Do you think it will help me ???
or just punishment ;D
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it'll cleanse your thoughts
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the real worl isn't gonna give a toss what a small niche group with an elitist attitude think. they are teenagers.
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aarrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my eyes...................they burn
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Ooh listen to Mr.BMX and his important opinions.... ::) ::) ::)
Do you have a sense of humour or are you too busy worrying about this 'monster' that dibly has created... :idiot2: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
Get a grip man!!! :D :D :D :D
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Oooh, Burners look damn fine in brown!
:4_17_5:
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Nice one Beard, great collection :4_17_5:
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:2funny: :2funny: i dont even know dibly sunshine , as for trying to be funny well that is all i can try to do . this thread is almost as much fun as jimmy p's " stick it to the man threads " ( no offence jimmy ) it just seems that what needed to have been said has already been said . so time to jog on pal , lighten up :D
Yawn, yawn, yawn, it's boring the shit out of me now
Bru :daumenhoch:
Yawn, yawn, yawn, it's boring the shit out of me now
Bru :daumenhoch:
my point exactly ! :yahoo_silent:
If you both are bored and tired of this thread there are plenty of others and or can always start a new one.
As for jogging on, I am here in the "bmx chat" section having a chat about bmx. What is your problem with that? And how do you imagine you can bring anybodies Mother and Wife into this, based solely on your inability to read and comprehend the posts in a thread and then tell them to "jog on"?
What is happening post-dibly with ukbikeco and Avocet's involvement in the high end bmx market is interesting to me and affects the industry as a whole. You are not the judge of when "everything that's been needed to say has been said" and please refrain from making dumb comments about my family and who may or may not be shagging them.
Luckily my Mother refuses to look at this site anymore after before she had a chance to post a "hello" in the Eddie thread she was forced to log out after reading Pickle's comment wondering if Denise Barter, another of her old friends (and someone whose efforts contributed massively to racing, freestyle and skatepark riding) "took it up the shitter". My daughters still look in here though and your attempts at humor regarding their Grandmother and Mother are not appreciated, no matter how dull you find this thread.
Username.........could you please show me exactly when and where i posted such stuff that made your mum log off? i fear you have me mixed up with someone else mate ???
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burners?
off topic dragging?
heads up!
come on guys,
WHATEVER your opinions about ukbikeco and dibly,
at least have the fooking decency to keep this thread on track please,
can a moderator possibly remove all the burner photo's please? one thing has fook all to do with the other,
many of us are actually keen to find out whats happening in all this so if you have no interest in the matter or anything of worth to say,
feel free to fook off and read another thread,
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they have gone of topic i also think so they can go..
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What kind of censorship is that? someone brought Burner's into the debate... they got a slagging...!! I stood up for them.... ::) ::) ::)
This thread died about 5 pages ago... don't go blaming the Burner Pictures for that...!!!
I'll try and refrain from defending a BMX I am passionate about on here in future... read the last two pages again... it was NOT off topic.
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Come on Beard, you know it's all the Burners fault :P
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after struggling to read through all the internet hype,palava and bullshit my conclusions reside thus,
dibly made a naive mistake by jumping feet first onto the "lightweight" bandwagon with the revolution frame then struggled to justify the design decision to go with the lb3.? pound frame weight when it came to the technical questions regarding to the frame weight and strength,
there lies the crux of the matter,
everything else seemed to be going well, team riders, video's, website etc and as many who have met daz and spoke with him will attest to, he pushed "ukbikeco" as much as he could and is definitely a likeable, friendly, intelligent bloke,
but after so many reports and pics of the frames failing his backers at avocet have clearly decided to pull the plug and cease production,
i was as suprised as anyone to learn of avocets involvement in the company and then the quality control and standards of build problems became a little clearer,
the downside for the industry is that all this comotion is damaging to future uk bmx companies, there arent enough as it is and we've always been under represented in the past so this saga only makes it more diffuclt for us to be taken seriously,
in affects the riders in the sense that many genuine riders just dont have the funds to go out and by another frame when theirs fails,
not to mention the loss of interest and confidence and possibly serious injury when catastrophic failiure occurs,
this isnt to have a dig at dibly in any way, just the story as i've seen it unfold, after talking to him a few times i had high hopes for the company and even told him to make their first frame a well built, 5lb street frame,
as for the lies and stuff about avocets involment i really dont think it matters, we as consumers within the bicycle industry are lied to all the time and are mostly happy to accept big finance companies involvment, t1 is owned by an investor, so is odyssey and SE racing!!!
lastly i actually think its a shame that things have turned out this way, esp for daz,
all because of a design decision.
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Looks like that about sums it up Joe. What a shame Daz has not come in and said his bit.
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Well worded, Joe.
:daumenhoch:
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but who in all honesty thought that Dibly was financing this all by himself? surely that would be a niave view? so Avocet backed him....why should them backing him automatically make a product shyte? okay so Coyote don't exactly light the world up with their products, but i for one used to have one of their hard tail MTB frames and it rode well sweet! in fact better than a lot of over priced brands that i've had the pleasure of riding.
Avocet gave him the backing.....but from what i know, Dibly owns the rights to the name and designs....all avocet owned was a stake in the company, is that such a bad thing?
if i were Dibly, i'm not so sure i would rush to come on here and defend myself to what would seem a huge bunch of people that were sat there waiting to come out and say"i told you so" if fact if that's all they were saying that would be fine......but a lot of people (and i'm not pointing any fingers at individuals here) seem to be getting very close to personal slander in my view.
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What kind of censorship is that? someone brought Burner's into the debate... they got a slagging...!! I stood up for them.... ::) ::) ::)
I think I bought up Burners on this thread.
Beard, you know I aint a burner hater, it just seemed relevent to what I was saying while I was writing my reply.
Good on you for standing up for what you think. :daumenhoch:
DSD Joe, looks like the trip round the world did you good.
Even tho all you have done what you always do: Say it like it is, and done it very well :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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always loved the MKI tuff burner! :smitten:
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spot on darkersomeday :daumenhoch:
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but who in all honesty thought that Dibly was financing this all by himself? surely that would be a niave view? so Avocet backed him....why should them backing him automatically make a product shyte? okay so Coyote don't exactly light the world up with their products, but i for one used to have one of their hard tail MTB frames and it rode well sweet! in fact better than a lot of over priced brands that i've had the pleasure of riding.
Avocet gave him the backing.....but from what i know, Dibly owns the rights to the name and designs....all avocet owned was a stake in the company, is that such a bad thing?
if i were Dibly, i'm not so sure i would rush to come on here and defend myself to what would seem a huge bunch of people that were sat there waiting to come out and say"i told you so" if fact if that's all they were saying that would be fine......but a lot of people (and i'm not pointing any fingers at individuals here) seem to be getting very close to personal slander in my view.
I had no reason to think that he had not financed it all himself, it's not like it would cost millions to set up a frame making company ??? I know plenty of people who have there own manufacturing companies.
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after struggling to read through all the internet hype,palava and bullshit my conclusions reside thus,
dibly made a naive mistake by jumping feet first onto the "lightweight" bandwagon with the revolution frame then struggled to justify the design decision to go with the lb3.? pound frame weight when it came to the technical questions regarding to the frame weight and strength,
this sums up entirely the entire uk bike co. story.
can a mod lock this thread now, thanks?
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if everyones all agreed i will lock it up.
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dan i already locked it lol