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New School BMX 2004 - Now => New School Park, Street & Dirt => Topic started by: Stodgy on April 14, 2009, 12:55 PM
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Well it looks like the rumours are true behind Subrosa doing a twin toptube frame...it looks pretty good from this angle IMO...perhaps Haro could learn a thing or two about re-creating a classic?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/RAD%20Shop/18_reasons.jpg)
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I like !!
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>:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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i like as well. You got any prices on them yet poppet!
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No prices yet guys...but expecting some more info soon.
I'll keep ya posted.
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Designed for carrying beer... :LolLolLolLol:
any pics from differant angles?
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Designed for carrying beer... :LolLolLolLol:
any pics from differant angles?
Yep, one of the advantages according to Subrosa! LOL
No other pics sadly. Will do some digging...
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No other pics sadly. Will do some digging...
There is a pic of it on the back cover of the latest (?) Ride. Its someone doing a lookdown over a set of doubles. You cant see the double toptube much, all you can see is that the seat stays come next to the seat tube. Its quite cool that they aint even making a thing about it in that add, its just someone riding one.
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/RAD%20Shop/normal_114372350_1238674678.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/RAD%20Shop/4461503.jpg)
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/RAD%20Shop/1qdx7fd699b7d1d04d0bdc2.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b292/stodgy1/RAD%20Shop/kyle_rad.jpg)
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What about if you cut the seat tube right down. Then you could put 2 handlebar pads on the twin tubes inseat of a seat. It would be like a pair of Skyway EZ bars with 2 bar pads on!
Old school and New school ... United!
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I like the sounds of this, Twin toptubes :smitten: gotta luv 'em !
I only hope it comes in a 19.5 tt then I could be really interested.
Steve.
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:daumenhoch:
Thats one of the first N/S "freestyle" bikes I've liked :4_17_5:
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:smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: lovin that!! subrosa style , no doubt a shedload of shadow ear on the complete bike ..it`ll rock!! :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5:
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What are the avantages/disadvantages to a twin TT as opposed to a single TT?
I suppose standing on your TT is easier and it looks cool but are there any engineering reasons to it i.e Strength, rigidity etc, etc?
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Del prepare a shit load of Freestyler/Master stickers dude :daumenhoch: :LolLolLolLol:
Steve.
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What are the avantages/disadvantages to a twin TT as opposed to a single TT?
I suppose standing on your TT is easier and it looks cool but are there any engineering reasons to it i.e Strength, rigidity etc, etc?
IMHO it makes it look like a FREESTYLE BIKE !!!! period !!!!!!
Don't know if it's got advantages/Disadavantages except framestands are easier
Steve.
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What are the avantages/disadvantages to a twin TT as opposed to a single TT?
The fact that (almost) every Haro broke at the double top tube / seat tube plate gives you a good idea on that one :LolLolLolLol:
This frame looks like that joint is LOADS better than the old Haro double top tubes tho :daumenhoch:
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:smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :4_17_5: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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is it actually going to be produced Dave? or is it just a prototype thing that's on their web site? can't see to many youngsters buying it??
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Didnt they do that Bully bashguard frame as well?
Its cool that they seem to be making frames that THEY want to, rather than what might sell loads. :daumenhoch:
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they do a bolt on bashgaurd don't they? ??? i like it i have to admit (the twin tube thing that is not the bash gaurd) :daumenhoch:
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It's Fly that have the bashguard...and yep apparently Subrosa are going to build the Twin Toptube.
Gotta say, I'm not sure whether it will go ahead - I suppose it all depends on the testing - wether it breaks or not.
Who knows, but I suspect it would be popular with the old schoolers and kids who want somethine a little different.
Good on 'em for doing something different though.
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Subrosa were doing a frame with bashguard built in, but can't find the pic now.
that twin top tube looks cool as fokk. I like it,
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See, JT71 does know his stuff!
It wasnt a bolt on bashguard, it was a total replica of the bully design but smaller for a small chainring. The decals even had the rose and skul like the bully had.
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I want one :D
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Subrosa were doing a frame with bashguard built in, but can't find the pic now.
that twin top tube looks cool as fokk. I like it,
:daumenhoch:
Pickle was talking about the bolt-on Bashguard...here's the Subrosa
(http://bmxroots.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/090408_subrosa_bashbike.jpg)
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is that production frame Daveypoos or just a proto?
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I believe the bashguard is in the 2010 line-up...the twin tt is a proto.
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Looks good - apart from the fixed seat hight? ???
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one of the nicest frames ive seen in ages :D
how much will one of these be?
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I dont believe it, I bought a platform frame in the mid 90's, I realised that I really didn't need a platform hence the reason everyone was running single top tube frames.
I ran wide bars when everyone was running severely cut down bars, now wide bars are back I cant help but cut mine down a little.
And now this :wtf: It could take me 10 years to get my heed round this.
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What are the avantages/disadvantages to a twin TT as opposed to a single TT?
The fact that (almost) every Haro broke at the double top tube / seat tube plate gives you a good idea on that one :LolLolLolLol:
This frame looks like that joint is LOADS better than the old Haro double top tubes tho :daumenhoch:
yeah that junction looks way stronger. looks a lot like this one:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g1/brian4130/dragonfly/2009_0414_183500AA.jpg)
i'd buy one of those subrosas if they go into production, for sure.
Brian :daumenhoch:
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What about if you cut the seat tube right down. Then you could put 2 handlebar pads on the twin tubes inseat of a seat. It would be like a pair of Skyway EZ bars with 2 bar pads on!
Old school and New school ... United!
I bet some bright spark doesn't even do that, they'll just chop the post off and be done with it - this could well be the first seatless bike.....
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It looks like the plate between the tubes runs most of the length of the tubes, Only appears to have a gap at the back. Looks cool in flat black though.
GT had a Halfrauds bike with twin down tubes last year, might have had twin top tubes aswell?
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i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike..... ::) ;D
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i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike.....i dont need another bike..... ::) ;D
You do and do it candy red or lavender :-X
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Quote from: S&MAlex on April 14, 2009, 02:14 pm
What about if you cut the seat tube right down. Then you could put 2 handlebar pads on the twin tubes inseat of a seat. It would be like a pair of Skyway EZ bars with 2 bar pads on!
Old school and New school ... United![quote/]
I bet some bright spark doesn't even do that, they'll just chop the post off and be done with it - this could well be the first seatless bike.....[quote/]
or you can buy an animal wedge post n use that ??
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I ran wide bars when everyone was running severely cut down bars, now wide bars are back I cant help but cut mine down a little.
And now this :wtf: It could take me 10 years to get my heed round this.
I know how you feel, I've always ran big bars and a freecoaster, used to constantly get twat kids with bars cut down so much they could hardly steer telling me to cut my bars down cos it makes x-ups easy even though they couldnt do them and I could!
When big bars and freecoasters came back into fasion, I put a GT forkstander and wheel disks on me white haro (pics in the museum) but that craze hasnt taken off yet! Cant think why!!!!
Like the suborsa though, would have one if it came with brake mounts and a normal seat tube!!
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I ran wide bars when everyone was running severely cut down bars, now wide bars are back I cant help but cut mine down a little.
And now this :wtf: It could take me 10 years to get my heed round this.
I know how you feel, I've always ran big bars and a freecoaster, used to constantly get twat kids with bars cut down so much they could hardly steer telling me to cut my bars down cos it makes x-ups easy even though they couldnt do them and I could!
When big bars and freecoasters came back into fasion, I put a GT forkstander and wheel disks on me white haro (pics in the museum) but that craze hasnt taken off yet! Cant think why!!!!
Like the suborsa though, would have one if it came with brake mounts and a normal seat tube!!
:LolLolLolLol: Think I will fit a skyway freestyle platform on my LTF.
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Lovin this :coolsmiley:
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hmm don 't see that really, other than an opportunity for people to buy more new school frames and make them look like old school bikes?
if someone built up an okdschool bike and tried to make it look oke a new school by slamming the seat and putting the bars in line with the forks, then put it up in the old school section, they'd be absolutely crucified, so why do it the other way round?
i don't have a problem with it at all and each to their own, but there are a lot of 'new school' bikes in the NS show us yours gallery that have been built up looking like OS and it just puzzles me
and the strongest ever twin top tube design is the nicolai 2mxtb (sorry its not a bmx)
http://www.glos.se/forsale/2mxtb/images/high/2MXTB_rear.jpg
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hmm don 't see that really, other than an opportunity for people to buy more new school frames and make them look like old school bikes?
if someone built up an okdschool bike and tried to make it look oke a new school by slamming the seat and putting the bars in line with the forks, then put it up in the old school section, they'd be absolutely crucified, so why do it the other way round?
i don't have a problem with it at all and each to their own, but there are a lot of 'new school' bikes in the NS show us yours gallery that have been built up looking like OS and it just puzzles me
and the strongest ever twin top tube design is the nicolai 2mxtb (sorry its not a bmx)
http://www.glos.se/forsale/2mxtb/images/high/2MXTB_rear.jpg
Puzzles me too Gav, but like you say...each to their own. Nothing I hate more than the Odyssey skinwalls at the moment...blugh, they just ain't right on modern bikes.
But, it's all BMX, everyone should be individual and free to do what the fook they want with their bikes.
I gotta say though this Subrosa is the first NS brand OS tribute I've ever liked - it brings the idea bang up to date...but I still wouldn't ride one myself...
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hmm don 't see that really, other than an opportunity for people to buy more new school frames and make them look like old school bikes?
if someone built up an okdschool bike and tried to make it look oke a new school by slamming the seat and putting the bars in line with the forks, then put it up in the old school section, they'd be absolutely crucified, so why do it the other way round?
i don't have a problem with it at all and each to their own, but there are a lot of 'new school' bikes in the NS show us yours gallery that have been built up looking like OS and it just puzzles me
and the strongest ever twin top tube design is the nicolai 2mxtb (sorry its not a bmx)
http://www.glos.se/forsale/2mxtb/images/high/2MXTB_rear.jpg
Can you define "looking like O/S" and we can try and explain :daumenhoch:
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How old are you?
Bru :daumenhoch:
34, why?
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hmm don 't see that really, other than an opportunity for people to buy more new school frames and make them look like old school bikes?
if someone built up an okdschool bike and tried to make it look oke a new school by slamming the seat and putting the bars in line with the forks, then put it up in the old school section, they'd be absolutely crucified, so why do it the other way round?
i don't have a problem with it at all and each to their own, but there are a lot of 'new school' bikes in the NS show us yours gallery that have been built up looking like OS and it just puzzles me
and the strongest ever twin top tube design is the nicolai 2mxtb (sorry its not a bmx)
http://www.glos.se/forsale/2mxtb/images/high/2MXTB_rear.jpg
Puzzles me too Gav, but like you say...each to their own. Nothing I hate more than the Odyssey skinwalls at the moment...blugh, they just ain't right on modern bikes.
But, it's all BMX, everyone should be individual and free to do what the fook they want with their bikes.
I gotta say though this Subrosa is the first NS brand OS tribute I've ever liked - it brings the idea bang up to date...but I still wouldn't ride one myself...
yeah that sort of thing really, like taking a bang up to the minute lightweight NS frame and then sticking on extra long seat post, front brake, 4 pegs, skinwalls, bars forward etc
and as I said it doesn't bother me, and its an observation not an accusation, I just find it puzzling, I couldn't have put it better than stodgy, some things just don't suit modern bmxs
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yeah that sort of thing really, like taking a bang up to the minute lightweight NS frame and then sticking on extra long seat post, front brake, 4 pegs, skinwalls, bars forward etc
Oops. Apart from the skinwalls and forward bars, thats my bike to a Tee!
I still run 4 pegs and a front brake cos of the tricks I like to do.
Just cos my riding is stuck in the 90s, no need for my bike to be! :daumenhoch:
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i quite like it :daumenhoch:
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Q. Why make a N/S bike with twin toptubes ?
A1. Maybe to try and make a bike that doesn't look like every other f@@kin bike out there.
A2. Maybe to make a bike that actually looks like a FREESTYLE bike and not a RACE bike like all bikes nowadays.
Q. Why run amberwall tyres on a N/S bike ?
A. Because they look better than all black tyres and to be different to everyone else.
Q. Why 4 pegs & Front brakes
A. Because if your like me you like to ride everything that includes Dirt, Park, Flat, Street.
Q. Why long seatposts ?
A. For many reasons but mainly because since day 1 i have run a seatpost at that height and it helps with stability in many tricks to. I have to laugh when the N/S kids say they run their seatpost so low so they can do tailwhips (Bollocks I say) have you seen where Jamie Bestwick runs his seatpost!
Don't get me wrong I think what N/S kids do with bikes nowadays is incredible but the sport is called BMX "FREE STYLE" not BMX Same Style so why should everyone ride a black bike with slammed post. be yourself and ride what looks good in your eyes .
Steve.
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I'd like to see it in person, rather than the artistic photo's. Personally I used to have a Torker with twin top tubes so like Bru says holds a certain memory. I'm 37 and like the retro look. My current race cruiser.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m219/cazbo71/PICT0004-17.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/m219/cazbo71/PICT0030-3.jpg)
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No other pics sadly. Will do some digging...
There is a pic of it on the back cover of the latest (?) Ride. Its someone doing a lookdown over a set of doubles. You cant see the double toptube much, all you can see is that the seat stays come next to the seat tube. Its quite cool that they aint even making a thing about it in that add, its just someone riding one.
That was well spotted dude, its been my bog read for a couple of weeks now and i hadnt noticed
I like it, theres nowt wrong with being differant... :daumenhoch:
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yeah that sort of thing really, like taking a bang up to the minute lightweight NS frame and then sticking on extra long seat post, front brake, 4 pegs, skinwalls, bars forward etc
and as I said it doesn't bother me, and its an observation not an accusation, I just find it puzzling, I couldn't have put it better than stodgy, some things just don't suit modern bmxs
Although as you state, that is only an observation, why shouldn't people run whatever components on whatever frame they see fit? the whole problem in BMX now is that people are shot down for being different & there's nothing I hate more than how fooking generically boring BMX has become. Sounds to me like you maybe see BMX/freestyle as something of a conformist fashion accessory as opposed to something you want to ride & do the tricks YOU want to do in it?
Yes I'm 'guilty' of some of the choices you find puzzling but as stated by others here, my bike works for what I want to use it for & not because I want to fit in with some kind of image :daumenhoch:
(I couldn't if I tried :LolLolLolLol:):
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c173/subversionBMX/NonDriveSide.jpg)
Come back 'freestyle' - I miss you so....
Ride on
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Sounds to me like you maybe see BMX/freestyle as something of a conformist fashion accessory as opposed to something you want to ride & do the tricks YOU want to do in it?
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er....no and actually I think thats a bit unnecessary tbh
i ride what I like when I like, I'm not great or anything, and my bike is in no way bang up to the minute new school,
although it is black (its a metal burma, they only came in black), has a low seat (cos I'm not that tall) and big bars (which have weirdly actually made me ride much better) :-X
cheers
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On the point of high seats, for some riders they have rode with their seat at a certain height since they began riding and their riding has developed in such a way that their seat actually aids their riding due to the fact their seat can be pinched by their knees, if you have only ever known slammed seats this is difficult to understand but an example is when doing no footed jumps the rider on landing would pinch their seat between their knees which would assist in them not slipping their pedals.
For such a rider to slam their seat it would be like learning to ride all over again and why so their bike looks like every other at the park.
Front brakes, if a rider has rode for the best part of 30 years with a front brake he's likely to have a bag full of front brake tricks so to remove his front brake he's gonna lose all his front brake tricks, why would he want to learn foot jam nose picks when he can do braked nose picks.
I'm not being defensive as I love n/s bmx, I'm just trying to explain why some of the n/s bikes on here look the way they do. :daumenhoch:
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i think the long seat posts and front brakes look and work fine.........after all watching Alex ride and doing stuff with his front brake is joy to watch! :4_17_5:
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I'm all for twin t/t & bashguards :daumenhoch: At least they still look like a bmx, n/s bikes are starting to look more & more like the 20" trial bikes...
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Where have you been Stodgy, posted this up on BW while back!
Cant see point of it but it's growing on me, I'm sure they'll sell well as the kids are mostly all into their fashion items and a few older folk seem to like it.
Pretty sure I read it IS going into production.
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Sounds to me like you maybe see BMX/freestyle as something of a conformist fashion accessory as opposed to something you want to ride & do the tricks YOU want to do in it?
er....no and actually I think thats a bit unnecessary tbh
Sorry if my comments seemed out-of-order gavprimo but I just don't feel that if I want to ride BMX I have to join the no post/big bars/no brakes possee :daumenhoch:
Nice bike sub :coolsmiley:
Bru :daumenhoch:
Cheers Bru :)
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I think it's about time someone made a new school frame that actually looks as good as it rides.
none of us old schoolers should deny the fact that looks had a great deal to do with witch frame, forks, or any other part we had on our bikes bitd.
most of us on this site find a well built colour coordinated old school bike really sexy!
why should the new school bikes all look like they have been pulled out of a skip?
It seems to predominantly be the oldschoolers who build the best looking new school bikes from what I've seen in the threads.
also, between me and all my mates who I rode with bitd, I can't even remember two of us having the same frame, let alone the dozen or so other parts that would constantly change and evolve over time.
No wrong, No right, just people having fun! forgetting a lot of the crap that makes life a grind.
play it like you see it, be nice, have fun, and if you see me on the floor rolling around in agony, give me a hand up.
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Here's my new school ride but built with an old school look about it.
I don't really care what any fooker else thinks, I love it, and the vast majority of people I meet, both young and old, love it as well. It's individual, by todays standards anyway, which is one of the main reason I love it so much. And as has already been said, I run both brakes because I always have and can't see the point in changing. As for the weight issue, good quality brakes will add very little weight to the overall bike.
I like that new Sub as well, certainly for daring to something different. But I will reserve judgement until i've seen one up close.
Daz. :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/j46/Flatcap1968/2009_0227Chrome0007.jpg)
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Tiz a stunner Daz :smitten:
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WOW :shocked:
around a year ago I was emailing a feller in the states about building me a custom double TT frame, it didn't happen due to he couldn't give me everything I wanted for it..
I hope this frame comes in a size I like!!
I think this frame with some Knight bike co parts, plus some graphit skyways (if I could get a set from those 2-Hip completes with 25-9 gearing) would look and ride amazing... :daumenhoch:
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WOW :shocked:
around a year ago I was emailing a feller in the states about building me a custom double TT frame, it didn't happen due to he couldn't give me everything I wanted for it..
I hope this frame comes in a size I like!!
I think this frame with some Knight bike co parts, plus some graphit skyways (if I could get a set from those 2-Hip completes with 25-9 gearing) would look and ride amazing... :daumenhoch:
I was thinking Skyways too :4_17_5:
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the 9t graphite wheels are going to be a very limited run unfortunately!
knowing skyway they'll still have 10mm axle at the rear with some crazy tpi that no one will be able to use without punching themselves in the face repeatedly for months beforehand!
But you're right, that would look sweeeeeeet :D
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On the point of high seats, for some riders they have rode with their seat at a certain height since they began riding and their riding has developed in such a way that their seat actually aids their riding due to the fact their seat can be pinched by their knees, if you have only ever known slammed seats this is difficult to understand but an example is when doing no footed jumps the rider on landing would pinch their seat between their knees which would assist in them not slipping their pedals.
For such a rider to slam their seat it would be like learning to ride all over again and why so their bike looks like every other at the park.
Front brakes, if a rider has rode for the best part of 30 years with a front brake he's likely to have a bag full of front brake tricks so to remove his front brake he's gonna lose all his front brake tricks, why would he want to learn foot jam nose picks when he can do braked nose picks.
I'm not being defensive as I love n/s bmx, I'm just trying to explain why some of the n/s bikes on here look the way they do. :daumenhoch:
Er....em.......that'll be me then......
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k48/2ndChildhood/Sharm%20El%20Sheikh/Red%20Sea%20Bmx/100_12992.jpg)
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I can't wait for the twin top tube framestand revival (image in my head terry jenkins kellogs) should be fun :coolsmiley: be interesting to see the way things go...maybe new school freestyle is going to morph itself into fragile sexy 80's original BMX..with cool colour combos and riders in factory gear boasting front brakes and layback seatposts :shocked: