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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: kev-s on May 05, 2009, 07:49 AM
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what do you think the rarest s&m part is (not including frames) i know the menstral fork/stem combo and prince alberts are rare but they do turn up now and again
how about the s&m peice o pipe seat post, ive never seen one, only in ads
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easy .... fookin chrome xlt race forks :(
:LolLolLolLol:
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are there any parts Alex doesn't have?
he'd know what's rare for sure. :daumenhoch:
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Id say the parts that are hard to find are:
Prince Albert cranks, all versions
Menstrual stems (the forks aint that hard to get)
C4 bars
Early Slam bars
Also, its not easy to get hold of:
1" threaded Pitchforks (not ditchforks)
1" shafted Redneck stems
Any of the older S&M seats.
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i always think that frames with no 990 or canti mounts are hard to come by....
ive been looking for a dark blue haf for ages to.. they did do them but i cant find one anywhere....also i cant find the lowrider style decals anywhere
i had to buy a frame to try to replicate them...i'll be sending art work to del soon but figure i will wait for him to get back on his feet from his break up first.
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some good replies, most of the items mentioned do come up now and again, what i wanna know is what is the real rare s&m parts, the kind of parts that you dont see or only ever see one of them like alex's white padset, the piece o pipe seatpost etc....
any rare chainrings, seat clamps?
as for rare decals i want a john holmes decal set, this is what my 93 holmes i bought brand new came with
what do the lowrider decals look like
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what about this stem below:
S&M ENDURO STEM A COMBO OF A CHALLENGER BOTTOM AND A REDNECK TOP, IT FITS BIKES WITH A 1 1/8" HEADSET
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h272/southcoastbmx/BP15JgB2kKGrHgoH-DoEjlLluCsSBJ1qWG1.jpg)
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easy .... fookin chrome xlt race forks :(
:LolLolLolLol:
They've stopped doing chrome XLT parts now Ade... :(
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the kind of parts that you dont see or only ever see one of them like alex's white padset, the piece o pipe seatpost etc....
any rare chainrings,
as for rare decals i want a john holmes decal set, this is what my 93 holmes i bought brand new came with
Ive got a piece of pipe seatpost. Its just a thick bit of tube tho, nothing special.
I have got a late 90s chainring. I think its a 36 t and its got a bolt on half guard.
The John Holmes decals? Is that the ones with the tape measure running down the downtube? ::)
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what about S&M forks, the pre pitchfork ones
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Ive just had a look through my photo bucket pics
I box for a shafted redneck stem
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/redneckbox3.jpg)
Old style race shirt
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/maddogshirt.jpg)
Chainring
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/parts%20for%20sale/chianring3.jpg)
John Holmes headtube decal
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/stickers/JHolmesHeadtube.jpg)
what about S&M forks, the pre pitchfork ones
And yes, its real hard to find pre pitch forks. I think there were 3 versions, maybe more.
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easy .... fookin chrome xlt race forks :(
:LolLolLolLol:
They've stopped doing chrome XLT parts now Ade... :(
i ordered a set in December '08 ..... :(
they will finally be in my hands May '09 ..... :)
i had words with the man upstairs ..... ;)
Ade :crazy2:
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They've stopped doing chrome XLT parts now Ade... :(
Its cos of something to do with the heat treating. It means you have to polish them loads before chroming for them to come out well. The chroming wasnt as good as they wanted it so they stopped doing it.
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thats what im on about alex :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
have you got full pics of the john holmes decals?
saw a enduro stem on here or ebay quite recently, it had gyro tabs and enduro engraved on it too
that one might be a earlier version
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what about the pegs they had? the s+m pure energy grind sticks or good cheap pegs or whatever they called them... i never see those
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They've stopped doing chrome XLT parts now Ade... :(
Its cos of something to do with the heat treating. It means you have to polish them loads before chroming for them to come out well. The chroming wasnt as good as they wanted it so they stopped doing it.
I ordered some XLT cruiser forks and wanted them in chrome, but word from S&M was as Alex is saying. I had to settle for polished (though not that shiny apparently) and then clearcoated. If I don't like what they look like I'll probably get em powdered.
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They've stopped doing chrome XLT parts now Ade... :(
Its cos of something to do with the heat treating. It means you have to polish them loads before chroming for them to come out well. The chroming wasnt as good as they wanted it so they stopped doing it.
ive got a ltf in chrome.its already flakeing around BB and seat clamp and rear drop outs.not impressed with the chromeing job.
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chrome parts are not as good as they used to be, im pretty sure its got something to do with the law being changed on what chemicals can be used and the downside to this is the chrome seems to flake/pit very easily
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saw a enduro stem on here or ebay quite recently, it had gyro tabs and enduro engraved on it too
rare indeed :shocked:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05741.jpg)
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saw a enduro stem on here or ebay quite recently, it had gyro tabs and enduro engraved on it too
rare indeed :shocked:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05741.jpg)
just bought that from ebay US the other day
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platform dirt bike?
challenger bars?
widowmaker?
shaun butler 'callgirl' frame?
i bet some of the clothing is the rarest, they used to do runs of like 50 t-shirts.
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Anyone know if the TSG S&M helmets are rare? peepot with a huge S&M shield on top I'm guessing there not.
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Anyone know if the TSG S&M helmets are rare? peepot with a huge S&M shield on top I'm guessing there not.
DSD Joe was looking for one for ages. He found one in Germany but it didnt fit him, so he had to sell it ... ::)
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shaun butler 'callgirl' frame?
i havent seen one of those for a long time,
love one tbh,
alex has a tsg s&m doesnt he?
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saw a enduro stem on here or ebay quite recently, it had gyro tabs and enduro engraved on it too
rare indeed :shocked:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05741.jpg)
just bought that from ebay US the other day
cant have, i sold it to a rad member on here last week :LolLolLolLol:
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saw a enduro stem on here or ebay quite recently, it had gyro tabs and enduro engraved on it too
rare indeed :shocked:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC05741.jpg)
just bought that from ebay US the other day
cant have, i sold it to a rad member on here last week :LolLolLolLol:
may have bought an identical one then because i paid for it the other day, the same guy is having a look for some S&M pegs he said he may have
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Anyone know if the TSG S&M helmets are rare? peepot with a huge S&M shield on top I'm guessing there not.
DSD Joe was looking for one for ages. He found one in Germany but it didnt fit him, so he had to sell it ... ::)
I got this one off the bay about a year ago brand new, think I paid 12 quid for it.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh280/macky573021/DSC00711-1.jpg)
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havent seen a platform dirtbike in years
there was a widowmaker on ebay.com which didnt sell
http://cgi.ebay.com/BMX-Old-Mid-School-S-M-Widowmaker-Frame-Cruiser_W0QQitemZ350195825220QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCycling_Parts_Accessories?hash=item51894c3a44&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
ive only ever seen a callgirl frame in ads
t shirts must be the one of rarest, i remember having a yellow s&m so calif one which i bought at a radlands world qualifiers comp
and i had a s&m jimmy levan hand drawn design t shirt, unfortunatly both ended up getting well worn and used as a car rag :'( :'( :'(
there was a couple of tsg s&m helmets on ebay a few years ago, i talked myself out of buying one due to just buying a brand new protec
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what about the pegs they had? the s+m pure energy grind sticks or good cheap pegs or whatever they called them... i never see those
???????
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what about the pegs they had? the s+m pure energy grind sticks or good cheap pegs or whatever they called them... i never see those
???????
i see though, and am buying in a few days hopefully
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h272/southcoastbmx/SMpegs.jpg)
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also just found this on vintagebmx.com
for sale for $150 a few months ago with no replys, no idea if it sold or not
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/h272/southcoastbmx/DSCF2281.jpg)
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looks nice and beefy :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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I knew somebody that had a call girl, seemed very short for a dirt jumping frame.
How about "Sabbath Pitchforks" like a normal pitch but with more dropout area for bigger pegs? Seen them in a magazine & that's it.
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I've got Revcore made pre Pitchforks, CW forks with double dropouts, nothing else.......
Nice race shirt alex. :daumenhoch:
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Nice race shirt alex. :daumenhoch:
:daumenhoch: :-*
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heres the decals im on about. a few of the lads in the states refer to them as lowrider decals. i own the non platform dirt bike and am using it as a refferance to make decals for my chrome platform db.
darkersomeday has sold me the bebe la blah blah decal so i just got to get art together from the others and let del work the majic. the headtube decal is missing but lucky for me harris has a bike with it still in tact and sent me a piccy. (cheers dan) :daumenhoch:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=76064.0
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This might be a good place to put this in:
Every S&M Frame (but I might have missed a few ???). Quite a few frames there really :shocked:
LIST OF ALL FRAME MODELS
1 K9 D-Zine
2 Mad Dog
3 Dirtbike
4 Holmes
5 24" cruiser
6 Challenger
7 Widow maker 24"
8 Dirtbike with standing platform
9 Menstural Cycle
10 Heavy as F**k
11 OS Dirtbike
12 OS Holmes
13 OS Challenger
14 OS 24" Challenger
15 Race Version
16 Trails Version
17 24" Race Version
18 Sabbath
19 Warpig
20 Sabbath Lite
21 Next Gen Dirtbike
22 Next Gen Holmes
23 Call Girl (Shaun Butler)
24 Kris Bennett
25 Neal Wood
26 PBR
27 Black Bike
28 Matt Beringer
29 Classic Dirtbike
30 Classic Holmes
31 Josh Stricker
32 LAF
33 Mini Cobra 16"
34 38 special
35 38 special 24"
36 LTF
37 Josh Stricker
38 Randy Brown
39 Cameron Wood
40 Tony Cardona
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yeah them boys have sure been busy over the years :shocked:
i really like this thread. once it slows up maybe it could be tidied into a sticky. its nice to see it all together :daumenhoch:
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This might be a good place to put this in:
Every S&M Frame (but I might have missed a few ???). Quite a few frames there really :shocked:
LIST OF ALL FRAME MODELS
1 K9 D-Zine
2 Mad Dog
3 Dirtbike
4 Holmes
5 24" cruiser
6 Challenger
7 Widow maker 24"
8 Dirtbike with standing platform
9 Menstural Cycle
10 Heavy as F**k
11 OS Dirtbike
12 OS Holmes
13 OS Challenger
14 OS 24" Challenger
15 Race Version
16 Trails Version
17 24" Race Version
18 Sabbath
19 Warpig
20 Sabbath Lite
21 Next Gen Dirtbike
22 Next Gen Holmes
23 Call Girl (Shaun Butler)
24 Kris Bennett
25 Neal Wood
26 PBR
27 Black Bike
28 Matt Beringer
29 Classic Dirtbike
30 Classic Holmes
31 Josh Stricker
32 LAF
33 Mini Cobra 16"
34 38 special
35 38 special 24"
36 LTF
37 Josh Stricker
38 Randy Brown
39 Cameron Wood
40 Tony Cardona
and how many of those above do you own, haha
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and how many of those above do you own, haha
Haha. I only wanted to collect 1" frames so thats just the first 10. But I didnt list the Two x 1" dirtbikes and Three x 1" Holmes frames so there were really 13 different 1" frames .... and Im 3 frames short >:(
(I do have a few Oversized S&Ms as well ::))
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well if this ever leaves my possession i'll make sure your first in line alex :daumenhoch:
my current build. gen 2 alberts arrived yesterday. thanks to blowno4gt from the museum an ozzie for the frame
the forks are rare gen2 ditches. they have oldder inner boss with a larger gen3 style outer.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/o146/Ozzie53/IMG_0012.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/o146/Ozzie53/IMG_0006-1.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/o146/Ozzie53/IMG_0007-1.jpg)
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good to see all the frames listed together, does the list include the dirtbike and holmes which have the gusset between the top and downtubes, similar to a standard?
plus there are 2 versions of the blackbike
i remember the lowrider decals now, someone used to have a dirtbike with them on down the park in the 90's
i have those mk2 ditchforks on my holmes build but they will be replaced with pitchforks when i find some/have the money
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i have a few sets of pitches and might not be using all of them yet. they are all minters to. i'll have a rummage later for you if you like :daumenhoch:
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ok cheers :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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does the list include the dirtbike and holmes which have the gusset between the top and downtubes, similar to a standard?
I think those were the "classic" dirtbike and Holmes. ???
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ahh k, just found this too, a 18in dirtbike which is modelled on the the classic dirtbike and it has the gusset between the top and down tubes
http://www.winstanleysbmx.com/product/1047/SM_Dirtbike_18inch_Frame_2002
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Oh yeah, nice one. I forgot about the 18" dirtbike. :daumenhoch:
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i thought the classics came after when they took the gusset out and moved the 990 mounts to the seat stays. i think the gusseted one was like a practice int th next gen. testing the water kind of. there was alot of die hard fans of the dirt bike and i think they were trying to see responses to changes .
in order i think it went
original db
revised gusseted
next gen
then back to the classic shape with no gusset and seat stay 990 mounts.
??? im sure the gusset one had a decal that said classic though... :-\
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i thought it went
original dirtbike
1/18th dirtbike
next gen dirtbike
then back to original dirtbike shape with the gusset between the top an down tubes and seatstay mounts and they named it the classic dirtbike
this is what the 18in dirtbike in the link is based on according to winstanleys ??? ???
but then this says its a classic dirtbike
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/79f28ed08ebcb9ea61794c40ab8186f3.jpg)
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original dirtbike
1/18th dirtbike
next gen dirtbike
then back to original dirtbike shape with the gusset between the top an down tubes and seatstay mounts and they named it the classic dirtbike
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/79f28ed08ebcb9ea61794c40ab8186f3.jpg)
Thats how I remember it. With the Classic Dirtbike Being Oversized with the big gusset, so maybe closer to the 1/18th dirtbike.
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classic dirtbike with gusset,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/stancatalogue019.jpg)
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Nice one DSD, thats a good frame list.
What is that one on the bottom left? I cant make it out ???
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race version/trail version?
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Sorry, I meant the bottom right. :crazy2:
It says "with our without gyro tabs" and it looks like the frame has a 4 letter name ???
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Don't know what it's called in that add, but is that not the kris bennett frame? Maybe they had a load left & flogged them under another name?
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Don't know what it's called in that add, but is that not the kris bennett frame? Maybe they had a load left & flogged them under another name?
Yeah, I thought it looked like a bennett. I had one and didnt like it at all. The droopy top tube wishbone put me right off.
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tis indeed the bennett frame,
they've got it down as the "F.K.A.B" frame,
probs after bennett left, "formerly kris A bennett" maybe??
it might even stand for "fook kris asshole bennett" :LolLolLolLol:
ask moeller if he'll let us know? :LolLolLolLol:
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Don't know what it's called in that add, but is that not the kris bennett frame? Maybe they had a load left & flogged them under another name?
Yeah, I thought it looked like a bennett. I had one and didnt like it at all. The droopy top tube wishbone put me right off.
I know what you mean, it's not the best looking frame they did! The frame he did with volume, the flatline or something didn't look that great either.
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the bennett was the only 90's s+m frame that was worth having.
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the bennett was the only 90's s+m frame that was worth having.
thats a bold statement... :LolLolLolLol:
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the bennett was the only 90's s+m frame that was worth having.
Really? I remember a bennett frame getting past round about 4/5 people before it found a home when they came out, nobody got on with it, and the kid what did said it rode great compared to his huffy!
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tis indeed the bennett frame,
they've got it down as the "F.K.A.B" frame,
"Formaly Known As Bennett".
My Bennett felt like it was way heavy, had the lazy-lob wish bone, and chainstays that were lower than the wheelnut. I didnt like it at all. My PBR had a better top tube, but it still wasnt very nice. Those to frames drove me to use a challenger for a while. I should have stuck with a normal dirtbike!
(Gogo, surely youd put a Over sized challenger or Dirtbike above a Bennett?)
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Think winstanleys had a 18 inch PBR frame aswell. Also sure I read about a SAF Short as F*** with a short TT.
enjoyed this thread, maybe one day will have a S&M bike.
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Also sure I read about a SAF Short as F*** with a short TT.
There were some short TT HAFs. Totally the same frame but aimed more at flatland. My Chrome HAF is one of them (although the shop that had it didnt know). Its got an 18" toptube!
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i'll compare my 2 tomorrow when i get to work...i didnt know that..
great little thread this :daumenhoch:
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[quote author=darkersomeday link=topic=86973.msg873768#msg873768 date=12417960
My Bennett felt like it was way heavy, had the lazy-lob wish bone, and chainstays that were lower than the wheelnut. I didnt like it at all. My PBR had a better top tube, but it still wasnt very nice. Those to frames drove me to use a challenger for a while. I should have stuck with a normal dirtbike!
(Gogo, surely youd put a Over sized challenger or Dirtbike above a Bennett?)
well perhaps an o.s. challenger, did they do one? the menstrual rode ok, but was made of tinfoil.
i think as 'fit for purpose', the bennett seemed the only decent frame they done, decent tt length and angles. dirt bikes lasted me about 6 months each and the pbr and black bike were terrible in my humble opinion. although i cant speak for flatlanders who used sabbath frames.
the rv frames or widowmaker would be ok too, much like the only standard i'd own would be a cruiser or race bike.
mid 90's bikes really bug my arse, too much confusion over weight/angles etc. i fuggin hate mid school.
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mid 90's bikes really bug my arse, too much confusion over weight/angles etc. i fuggin hate mid school.
:shocked: :shocked: hatred? confusion? i dont remember anybody whining about weight back then,and most bikes had good workable angles.
so if you hate mid school so much then whats so much better?
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not condors anyway. ;D
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you are right,condors are the most terrible bike to hit ramps with....................... ::) :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10471.jpg)
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Back to the topic, what about the K-9 D-Zine frames? only 25 were ever made, first S&m frame made, anyone know where those are hiding themselves?
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Don't really know a lot about it, looks similar to a maddog though, pic half inched from another site :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g182/fugazi33/100_5812.jpg)
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i wonder how much those K-9 frames go for now.....................
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i wonder how much those K-9 frames go for now.....................
I think that one in the photo is the ONLY one left. Its in a shop somewhere in the states but its not for sale.
Its the only one I know about.
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does chris moeller not have one? if not its a shame if i owned that one id give it to him :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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I dont think Moeller has one. They were sort of the first 25 Mad Dogs, but they made a few changes and renamed them.
That photo is the ONLY photo of one Ive ever seen
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how much would you pay for the photo then, haha
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How about the "chopper" frame? :D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a69/Mattshick/OldschoolSandMbikes/SMMadDoglongframe.jpg)
Seriously, not sure how rare they were to get back then, but white pad sets show up next to never nowadays.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a69/Mattshick/OldschoolSandMbikes/SMWillSmythelookdown10-10.jpg)
I dont think Moeller has one. They were sort of the first 25 Mad Dogs, but they made a few changes and renamed them.
That photo is the ONLY photo of one Ive ever seen
How about a photo of K-9 D-ZINE stickers on a Robinson frame , then? Rare in it's own respect :D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a69/Mattshick/OldschoolSandMbikes/SMEarlyBarryNilson10-10.jpg)
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does Mr Leech qualify as an S&M part?
if so, he's pretty rare. :daumenhoch:
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/a69/Mattshick/OldschoolSandMbikes/SMWillSmythelookdown10-10.jpg)
how about those 'jive factory' frame stickers on will's mad dog in that pic? i know gossa had a set bitd and i had a set on my gt in the late 80s. wooft.