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Title: Almost Famous.... BMX on TV.
Post by: beard1973 on August 20, 2009, 07:14 PM
Had a really cool day today... filming for a Prime Time TV Show....

The 'Presenter' had half decent skills, considering he hadn't seen a Burner let alone ridden one since 1983/84...

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0766.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/CSC_0880.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/CSC_0812.jpg)

Its Jason Bradbury from Channel 5's - The Gadget Show'

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0779.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0801.jpg)

The Production Company contacted Raleigh a couple of months ago and Raleigh put them in touch with myself at www.burnerworld.co.uk

The do a feature called the Wall Of Fame ( Lego V Meccano / iTunes V Napster / Atari V Wii etc etc)... they recorded two bits of footage on the items in questions and then choose which deserves its place on the Hall Of Fame...

Today was The Raleigh Burner v The Specialized Stumpjumper (essentially an early iconic BMX v and early iconic Mountain Bike). I know there will be voices on here that will decry the choice of the Burner to feature in this but at the end of the day, you can't argue with Sales Figures... BIGGEST Selling BMX in the UK  ;) and the most iconic of the models has to be the Mk1 Tuff (despite its flaws as a true race or freestyle BMX!, its the one bike Joe Bloggs remembers).

I met with the Film Crew at Perry Park BMX track in Birmingham at 8.30am this morning, taking along a few 'show' bikes and letting Jason use my Mk1 Tuff for the filming...

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0856.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0786.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/1000.jpg)

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0855.jpg)

We were invited back to the studio afterwards to watch the filming of the 'finale/decision' on which bike made the Hall Of Fame, which was really cool, got to meet all the presenters (incl. the lovely Suzy Perry). But we weren't permitted to take any pictures on set..  :( but they made us feel really at home and Beth loved it..

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0939.jpg)

He did nearly 'stack' the bike a couple of times...

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/Animation1.gif)

And considering the bike is MINTY MINT and stacked with NOS parts (Tuffs included!!!) there was times when I was a bit nervous...  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: jammer on August 20, 2009, 07:19 PM
cool as fook that!!!! :daumenhoch:
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Post by: bmxmatt1974 on August 20, 2009, 07:21 PM
nice one fella, he must be pretty good to get that burner that far off the ground  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: daz bmx it! on August 20, 2009, 07:41 PM
That is well cool bud :daumenhoch: when's it on the box?
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Post by: bobafett on August 20, 2009, 07:42 PM

How cool is that ! :)

Love the gadget show as well - I'll be looking forward to that episode mate - you must have been well made up with that  :daumenhoch:









Pitty it wasn't a mongoose though  ::) :-X

Only kiddin bud  :Great_Britain: :LolLolLolLol: :Great_Britain:


 :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Almost Famous.... BMX on TV.
Post by: beard1973 on August 20, 2009, 07:43 PM
nice one fella, he must be pretty good to get that burner that far off the ground  :daumenhoch:

He suprised me... He was real eager to get kitted up and ride the bike... I expected him to 'tootle' along the track proper shakey... but he scared me to death...

I daren't tell him that he was sat astride £500-600 worth of restored Burner..  :-X :-X I've never even ridden that bike myself... its so small...

Footage should be fun to watch though.... BUT please remember that they write the script themselves.. I have provided research data etc but nothing more.. so some of the dialogue to go with the feature could be cringe-worthy..  :D :D :D

NOt sure when its scheduled for... the girl who I have dealing with did say about 4 weeks time.. but I'll stick it in the shoutbox when its gonna be on and give this thread a bump.
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Post by: OrgasmDonor on August 20, 2009, 07:51 PM
awesome, nice one dude :daumenhoch:
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Post by: torkertony on August 20, 2009, 07:51 PM
What a smart day, good on ya!  Your collection looked quality all lined up on the decking.  The MK1 Burner in blue and yellow was my first BMX, lots of peeps on her slag 'em off but I loved that bike so much, wish I'd kept it.  Well done again, looking forward to seeing the show when its broadcast.  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: HEYWOOD BMX on August 20, 2009, 07:54 PM
 :) Top job there Dave,I`ll defffo watch that when it comes on :daumenhoch:
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Post by: rooski on August 20, 2009, 08:04 PM
thats well cool!
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Post by: ron burgundy on August 20, 2009, 08:21 PM
Nice one Dave :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Almost Famous.... BMX on TV.
Post by: beard1973 on August 20, 2009, 08:23 PM
Notice the sly (if poorly fitted!!) BURNERWORLD stickers on the helmet...  :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley:  :buck2: :buck2:
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Post by: aerostylie on August 20, 2009, 08:27 PM
Nice one Beard, yeah so cool to get involved with the Gadget show and to see Bradders on an old skool :daumenhoch: 

He's done some other BMX stuff on the show (testing the Faction 22 inch) and this weeks show:

Riding backwards (1.30 onwards): Bet we'll all be trying this ;D
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Perry Park's looking fine as well......didn't realise it was actually rideable, wow, not far from me :D

Good post Dave :daumenhoch:
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Post by: QUADROPHENIA on August 20, 2009, 08:47 PM
nice one fella, he must be pretty good to get that burner that far off the ground  :daumenhoch:

i think they only used a burner for the stationary shots, for the riding they used a bmx
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Post by: James Nada on August 20, 2009, 08:55 PM
Cool.

Any OS BMX on prime time has to be good.

 :daumenhoch:
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Post by: CD17 on August 20, 2009, 09:01 PM
Thats well cool, look forward to seeing the show  :)
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Post by: Dhillon on August 20, 2009, 09:04 PM
That is so cool  :4_17_5:  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :daumenhoch: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
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Post by: baldbmxer on August 20, 2009, 09:06 PM
Thats cool Dave, cant wait to see it on tv  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: dj B silverlite on August 20, 2009, 09:11 PM
Buzzin!! man you are lucky i foookin love that show :daumenhoch:. Jason is funny as fook, cant stand that bloody Otis from kids tv though. :buck2:.
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Post by: beard1973 on August 20, 2009, 09:49 PM
Cheers fella's... I'll post up when the show is on...

Have you ever been asked to pull a skid and stop within a few cm's of a particular mark!!!  :shocked: :shocked:

They wanted a hot of the rear tuff wheel coming to a skid.... so they marked the ground, the camera guy got on his front and they filmed as I skidded to a stop.

Thankfully I won't be in shot... just the back wheel.. and its most likely that it won't make the final cut as the camera guy said my boots were in shot...  ;D ;D

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/DSC_0933.jpg)

Pulling SKIDS... I felt like I was 12 again...  :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: dan-dare on August 20, 2009, 09:54 PM
Cool story Dave!!! :daumenhoch:
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Post by: muddstud on August 20, 2009, 10:01 PM
Loving this tread mate looks like you had a blast  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: Dex Dexter on August 20, 2009, 10:10 PM
Nice one - class opportunity.

Will be watching when it comes on.
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Post by: sweetbeats on August 20, 2009, 10:15 PM
That was my 1st BMX  ;)
Cool  ;)
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Post by: bof on August 20, 2009, 10:36 PM
Nice one Dave , looks like you had a cracking day out grommit.  :)
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Post by: Robbo on August 20, 2009, 10:39 PM
Wicked, Jason was tweeting about this on twitter earlier. :daumenhoch:
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Post by: Muffski on August 20, 2009, 10:40 PM
Cool thread Dave,bet you are well stoked  :4_17_5:
Title: Re: Almost Famous.... BMX on TV.
Post by: beard1973 on August 20, 2009, 10:43 PM
Twas a great day out... highlight of Beth's summer holiday so far...

You wouldn't believe how small the studio is...!!! and Jason really know his BMX stuff, so that was cool...

Just wish I had got my photo taken with Suzy Perry.. she very nice lady. :daumenhoch:
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Post by: virtualmeuk on August 20, 2009, 10:48 PM
cool....Fact  :daumenhoch:

I would love a Tuff burner like i used to have  :'(
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Post by: jimmyp on August 20, 2009, 11:47 PM
Great stuff, nice one  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: magna13 on August 21, 2009, 01:56 AM
Nice one Dave :4_17_5:

Please dont say he flexed those Tuff's  :'( :'(
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Post by: gobshite on August 21, 2009, 04:05 AM
go on then my little sunshine!

chuffed for you mate :daumenhoch:

let us know when its on eh? :-*
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Post by: neiljonarcus on August 21, 2009, 06:30 AM
top thread dave cool as funk pics  bet you are proud as punch getting one of your bikes on the tele . i would be  :daumenhoch:

well done  :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Swivel on August 21, 2009, 08:13 AM
Cool as fook Dave :D keep us posted when the show is on, can't wait to see it  :4_17_5:
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Post by: pickle on August 21, 2009, 08:24 AM
that's well cool Beardy!  love the old Gadget show.......bradbury comes accross as a top bloke as well  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: hooga1975 on August 21, 2009, 08:58 AM
nice one Dave, looks like you had a great day filming.

Im looking forward to seeing that on the box :4_17_5:
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Post by: beard1973 on August 21, 2009, 09:52 AM
He was well clued up on Old Skool parts and stuff..

Kept talking about DX's... GT Laybacks... Mushroom Grips and Redline Flights... :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley:
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Post by: dialledbikes on August 21, 2009, 11:07 AM
Only just spotted this.  Good on ya Dave  :daumenhoch:

Respect to the presenter, looks like he is a half decent rider.

All good promo for BMX.

When does the show air?
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Post by: beard1973 on August 21, 2009, 11:20 AM
Only just spotted this.  Good on ya Dave  :daumenhoch:

Respect to the presenter, looks like he is a half decent rider.

All good promo for BMX.

When does the show air?

About 4 weeks time...  :daumenhoch: I'll post up when I hear exact date.
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Post by: pickle on August 21, 2009, 11:21 AM
He was well clued up on Old Skool parts and stuff..

Kept talking about DX's... GT Laybacks... Mushroom Grips and Redline Flights... :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley: :coolsmiley:

he looks like he could be pretty handy with OS tricks as well  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: thecrooch on August 21, 2009, 11:49 AM
BRILL DAVE - BET THAT WAS HARD TO KEEP QUIET...
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Post by: Bettyswallocks on August 21, 2009, 11:55 AM
Cool... looks like it'll be worth watching...  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: beard1973 on August 21, 2009, 11:57 AM
BRILL DAVE - BET THAT WAS HARD TO KEEP QUIET...

In all truth when they first got in touch I thought it was someone winding me up...  :D :D
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Post by: stuntmaster on August 21, 2009, 04:19 PM
excellant and cool pics
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Post by: MartyC on August 21, 2009, 04:41 PM
That's very cool Beard, very cool  :coolsmiley:
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Post by: bmxbob on August 21, 2009, 05:52 PM
Awsome mate  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: beard1973 on August 22, 2009, 12:29 PM
SHOW WILL BE ON AIR....

** Channel 5 - Monday 7th September - 8pm **
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Post by: Robbo on August 22, 2009, 01:54 PM
SHOW WILL BE ON AIR....

** Channel 5 - Monday 7th September - 8pm **

Nice, remind us all nearer the time matey. :daumenhoch:
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Post by: Mattdub on August 24, 2009, 01:09 PM
Awesome to be involved Dave  :daumenhoch:

Seen that Jason ride an MTB on the show before and he was'nt bad at all  ;)
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Post by: Flatcap on August 24, 2009, 04:07 PM
Great stuff Dave, I'll be watching it!

I bet it was a blast!

Daz.  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: etriedes on August 26, 2009, 10:34 PM
Awesome can't wait to see this, and i'm gonna have to pop to perry park, i didn't realise they had cleaned it up .. and i'm only 5 mins away
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Post by: ozone on August 27, 2009, 07:54 AM
Awesome can't wait to see this, and i'm gonna have to pop to perry park, i didn't realise they had cleaned it up .. and i'm only 5 mins away

Thought you were talking about Suzi Perrys lady garden for a minute there.  It's about time that place was cleaned up - all of those Moto GP riders who visit just won't tidy up after themselves.  There could be a job there for James Toseland if he gets the boot this year - every cloud, eh? >:D
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Post by: jimmyp on August 27, 2009, 04:10 PM
He, he, this should be good  :)
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Post by: Muffski on September 07, 2009, 10:32 AM
Tonight's the night  ;)
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 03:24 PM
Tonight's the night  ;)

FINGERS CROSSED!! Been trying to get confirmation from Production Company all weekend, but its should be on tonight.

Just remember I only supplied to bikes and 'some' of the details/facts.. anything dumb they say is the fault of their research team... not me!!!  :LolLolLolLol:

I wonder what will win? The Raleigh Burner v Specialized Stumpjumper...  ::) :-X ???
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 08:01 PM
No mention in the opening credits....  :-X
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Post by: gobshite on September 07, 2009, 08:03 PM
if i sit and watch the rest of this shit and its not on you're in so much trouble dave.
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Post by: Bettyswallocks on September 07, 2009, 08:05 PM
No mention in the opening credits....  :-X

I noticed that...  :-\

The mrs is watchin corrie at 8.30 so i can only watch the first half hour
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Post by: gobshite on September 07, 2009, 08:37 PM
cool that dave,

i even managed to keep my tea down when i saw your burners,

burnerworld sticker on his helmet?


get in there,
chuffed for you dude ;)
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 08:38 PM
They said they couldn't mention the website due to some advertising restrictions... so I loaded the helmet with BW stickers...

PROPER CHUFFED WITH THAT!!!!

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Post by: DIRTBIKER250F on September 07, 2009, 08:41 PM
Was a really good piece to, he looked half handy on it
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Post by: Robbo on September 07, 2009, 08:41 PM
Cool feature but sorry, slightly over shadowed by Suzie Perry in those very short shorts!! :smitten:
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Post by: Dex Dexter on September 07, 2009, 08:42 PM
Can't wait to watch this on TV when i get home Dave.

TV in the hotel is fooked tonight  :(
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Post by: priv on September 07, 2009, 08:43 PM
i'll watch that tomorrow :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
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Post by: gobshite on September 07, 2009, 08:43 PM
how shit was the black dude at riding though? :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: LOS1969 on September 07, 2009, 08:54 PM
well done m8 bmx wins too :daumenhoch:
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Post by: generallee on September 07, 2009, 09:05 PM
Nice one mate !
Ive taped it !
My old mate Ortis [ the black guy] presents on that show - wish theyd asked me to be on  :( Id have showed em how to ride a fookin track , on BMX or MTB !!!!
Suzy Perry ... mmmmmmm.
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Post by: The Burner King on September 07, 2009, 09:32 PM
Can't get channel 5  >:(
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 09:34 PM
Julian... About 32 mins into the show...  :daumenhoch:

http://demand.five.tv/Episode.aspx?episodeBaseName=C5146430006
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Post by: meticulous on September 07, 2009, 09:41 PM
20k for a mountain bike!!!!!  yikes!!!!   :shocked: :shocked:

i dont even remember them....

does this mean my gen 1 and HLT could be worth this soon?
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Post by: Gashead on September 07, 2009, 10:00 PM
bugger missed it !

Anyone got it - where can I see it again ?
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 10:05 PM
Online...

http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/blog/vote-specialized-stunt-jumper-vs-raleigh-burner#comments

and I imagine it will be repeated on the FIVER tv channel at some point...
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Post by: pickle on September 07, 2009, 10:06 PM
He didn't mind throwing it about did he!!  I feared the worst for those bubble gum welds  ;D
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Post by: synergy1968 on September 07, 2009, 10:07 PM
Good for you beard putting bmx fwd like that ,, And on your tuff burner ... lets hope all the kids see it and get into it..  :4_17_5: :Great_Britain:
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 10:10 PM
He didn't mind throwing it about did he!!  I feared the worst for those bubble gum welds  ;D

Quality British Engineering that...  :Great_Britain: :4_17_5: :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: HARODAVE on September 07, 2009, 10:15 PM
well done Dave , bikes looked great on small screen  :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: not half bad riding from Jason , i reckon he rode b.i.t.d ? , wouldn`t have minded seeing Suzi straddling one of those burners , i think she`s fooking gorgeous ...  :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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Post by: beard1973 on September 07, 2009, 10:18 PM
She was there in the studio the day we went down with the bikes... BUT SHE WAS NOT WEARING THOSE SHORTS!!!!
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Post by: magna13 on September 07, 2009, 10:41 PM
Watched it, loved it :4_17_5: well done Dave, felt the tension whilst he was riding :D
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Post by: dannywhiteley on September 07, 2009, 10:52 PM
He was taking no chances on that £20,000 Specialized...lol

Cool feature.  Just logged on here to see if it was mentioned, no idea it was Beards bikes on show.   Totally missed this thread.

Did look cool, and I guessed the Burner would win. 8)
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Post by: HEYWOOD BMX on September 07, 2009, 11:11 PM
 :) Watched it,loved it.Even the Mrs remarked that she`d seen the bikes at Preston.Top job Dave :daumenhoch:
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Post by: Bettyswallocks on September 07, 2009, 11:21 PM
Managed to watch it, gotta say i was impressed...  :daumenhoch:

 :wtf: did they do to that golf?...  :-\
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Post by: jimmyp on September 07, 2009, 11:39 PM
Good stuff, one up for the Burner boys there i think  :LolLolLolLol: :Great_Britain: :Great_Britain: :Great_Britain: :daumenhoch:
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Post by: Bob_Acid on September 08, 2009, 01:41 AM
Excellent Beard, well done mate  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: stevochb on September 08, 2009, 06:15 AM
nice one :daumenhoch: did you change the tyres before you let him skid about on it :LolLolLolLol:
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Post by: phantom photon on September 08, 2009, 10:07 AM
One things for sure - over the next few months the prices of Tuff Burners are going to rocket on ebay  ::)
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Post by: bmxbob on September 08, 2009, 11:11 AM
superb mate, loving the Burnerworld stickers on the lid  :daumenhoch:
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Post by: beard1973 on September 08, 2009, 11:14 AM
Get in!!!

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/vv233/burnerworld4/GadgetShowStill.jpg)

Me and Beth only stuck those on at the Services on the way down... :D ;D
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Post by: skidpan on September 08, 2009, 09:52 PM
Loved that Beard, is he coming to next years bash? maybe bring suze along?  :P
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Post by: trasher on September 08, 2009, 11:22 PM
good work dude ,,,,,i nearly cried when he attempted the 180 on the whoops and slammed that rear tuff down hard  :knuppel2:
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