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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: bullseyefanatic on October 25, 2009, 03:55 PM
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I recently purchased thru an ebay auction(and member of this site) a set of handlebars. When I received the bars I was instantly aware that they had been cut down. The cut on one side was so badly tapered and jagged my 5 year old daughter noticed it.
So here is my question to you. At what point does a seller( who happens to live in the vintage bmx world) have to take responsibility for the items he sells. And at what point must a buyer continue to drill a seller on every aspect of condition of said items. Or would it be reasonably sane to expect a fellow bmx enthusiast and member of this site to completely divulge the condition so that all are informed.
A small bit of info on the bars. They were advertised as " RARE FIND" , "NO RUST OR CRACKS", "CHROME IS GOOD",
GRAB YOURSELF A PART OF BMX HISTORY"
I paid alot for them to get em. Imho I paid absolute top dollar. I know. Its all I collect. And I feel as if I have been ripped off. What really stings is that they came from someone that knows the ropes and knows better.
So please chime in
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Have you spoke to the seller ?
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Sent him 2 messages thru the ebay auction and 2 messages thru his paypal email address. Both almost a week ago.
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Keep at him, he should have pointed it out, he must have known about it and he would have realised how important something like that is to a collector.
i feel it is important to grill the seller about condition, as they dont always tell everything as it reduces the amount they get for it. tossers.
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I agree, sometimes its like pulling teeth. You would think that a collector would instantly want to provide you with the best description and divulge all the flaws, as he would have done the same when he purchased them. This kind of action tells me he was only after the money and is not a man of character or integrity.
I have just opened a dispute with paypal and left negative feedback on the auction. Was hoping to avoid this , if only he would have replied.
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Well i think if you are a "collector" you should ask if the bars have been cut down , more so if you are giving big £££££ for um.. Also yes the other party should reply to your msg .. and dont get stuff of EBay ;D
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See now thats where I get stuck. Why would I have to ask about all the possible negative points. Especially if I honestly didnt think of it at the time. I also didnt ask if they were authentic. Or if they were original chrome. Or original or repop decals. See what I mean. It can go on forever.
Too me if I sell something and I know of a few specific flaws that will at sometime in the future come back and bite me in the ass. I dilvulge it. After all were only really selling ourselves. Its your reputation at stake. There are members here on this site and on other sites I visit that have earned a reputation for selling reputable items. If an item comes up that you need from one of these guys you immediately dib it. No questions asked. Why? because you know if there was something wrong with it he would mention it. Maybe I give to much credit to members of these sites. Hoping they respect the hobby and value the investment it takes to play in this hobby as much as myself
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you cant possibly ask every single question,like you say where do you stop?
Mind you even if you ask questions it can still go wrong......
i bought a frame off ebay and asked if there were any cracks,were the bearings good, was the shock ok?
got the frame ,had a crack in it, bearings were fooked and the shock was too. Tosser.
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name and shame :police:
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one possible idea if they are only for show use ::)
dont push the grips all the way home :LolLolLolLol:
are they noticeably shorter than they should be ?
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Well bud if i see something up for sale from you i would be happy to pp you , but the mother of all fook ups is "assumptions" always ask !
Just be careful with the fact that you got it of EBay and not RAD bud.. Hope this helps
I would have given him a bit more time to reply to. If you have started beef with him good to give him the time to reply ? he could be on hols or away on work ect
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one possible idea if they are only for show use ::)
dont push the grips all the way home :LolLolLolLol:
are they noticeably shorter than they should be ?
They were cut down 1" per side. On bars that are supposed to be 29" down to 27". Thats a big deal for bars that are labeled " RARE" . imo
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name and shame :police:
I will admit that I was pissed when I received the cut bars. And have been greatly dissappointed by his lack of effort concerning my messages. I will wait a bit longer to see if he replies to the paypal dispute. His reaction at that time will precipitate my reponse to your question. "Name and shame" because if he has a plausable excuse I will save him the public ridicule. If not then I will let him suffer the same fate he placed onto my shoulders.
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The word "RARE" on EBay alone would make me run a mile away ! :uglystupid2:
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Well bud if i see something up for sale from you i would be happy to pp you , but the mother of all fook ups is "assumptions" always ask !
Just be careful with the fact that you got it of EBay and not RAD bud.. Hope this helps
I would have given him a bit more time to reply to. If you have started beef with him good to give him the time to reply ? he could be on hols or away on work ect
You could be right, he may be dissposed. Then again he may not. Silence is a bitch. Isnt it?
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Me thinks can you name and shame him on here ? you bought it of EBay bud,,
Just a little tip .. if you see something on EBay just send um a little msg " are you from RAD " 2 points you would prob get some money of and also more honesty.
SOMETIMES :LolLolLolLol:
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The word "RARE" on EBay alone would make me run a mile away ! :uglystupid2:
Alot of people use that term to spark interest with the uninformed few. It doesnt bother me a bit when I see that, especially if its something Im looking for. This guy was selling a bunch of parts from a complete build that consisted of other parts of the same brand. He knew better. There is no excuse.
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Me thinks can you name and shame him on here ? you bought it of EBay bud,,
Just a little tip .. if you see something on EBay just send um a little msg " are you from RAD " 2 points you would prob get some money of and also more honesty.
SOMETIMES :LolLolLolLol:
The great thing is, I tried to purchase an entire lot of stuff from him off the site. I even used the "hey I can save you all the fees" angle. But he ebayed it all anyway. I considered walking away but needed the bars.
After all his auctions ended I tallied up the totals and he would have been better off selling it all to me off ebay. Less packageing time and expense. All in one box and off you go. He got more money on the auctions but had to pay all the fees.
Sure am glad I went thru paypal/ebay. At least I can chase him down.
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Well bud that makes sense to me ! not sure what is going on ? Hay good luck anyway ... ;)
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you say he's a member on here,have a look and see when he was last active,may indicate if he's away(or not).
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i know the guy in question,,and before anyone else jumps down his throat he is a genuine guy and loves anything old school bmx and not in the game of rippin people off
1st of all he responded to all his emails through his blackberry and in his last reply asked bulseye fantastic wat he wants him to do about it???? no reply
he was unaware they were cut down as these bars were massive and other people also commented on them bein so big
as for the jagged ends,,,, there were none
now as 1 member has already said,,this was an ebay auction and as such should be delt with through them
end of rant
he is gonna mail bullseye tommoz again
russ,,,,peace and love to all :-*
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Well bud if i see something up for sale from you i would be happy to pp you , but the mother of all fook ups is "assumptions" always ask !
Just be careful with the fact that you got it of EBay and not RAD bud.. Hope this helps
I would have given him a bit more time to reply to. If you have started beef with him good to give him the time to reply ? he could be on hols or away on work ect
:daumenhoch:
Allways 2 sides to the story ? ???
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I'd probably leave RAD out of it. As you've tried to contact the seller and if you paid via Paypal why not just raise a 'not a described' dispute (which covers vital information about the item that has been left off the eBay listing) or I'd say it's fair enough to call them 'damaged'. The dispute process will just document the communication between buyer and seller (copy in what's already been sent). If seller agrees to a refund, send them back recorded and post details in the dispute. If not resolved in the given amount of time, raise the dispute to a 'claim' which Paypal will investigate and no doubt settle in your favour where-by they refund you and chase the seller for their money. Seems fair enough to me. eBay / Paypal tends to look after buyers :daumenhoch:
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Lets be clear about one thing. At no time ever has this dude contacted me about this dispute. Ever!!! He is blowing smoke up your ass to save face. I will post pics of the ends if need be.
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i know the guy in question,,and before anyone else jumps down his throat he is a genuine guy and loves anything old school bmx and not in the game of rippin people off
1st of all he responded to all his emails through his blackberry and in his last reply asked bulseye fantastic wat he wants him to do about it???? no reply
he was unaware they were cut down as these bars were massive and other people also commented on them bein so big
as for the jagged ends,,,, there were none
now as 1 member has already said,,this was an ebay auction and as such should be delt with through them
end of rant
he is gonna mail bullseye tommoz again
russ,,,,peace and love to all :-*
Yo! Dogg. Funny how you figured it out with no mention of his name or the item. Hmmm! In any case I have checked my email, my ebay account and paypal. No word from him yet. And ever! I gave him a chance to reply to me. Then I sent him further messages informing him that by a certain date I would go thru paypal and ebay. That date has come and gone(plus 2 extra days). No replies. Your bro is smokin somethin if he claims he " Blackberry'd " me. As for the bars. Pics are coming. You can frickin cut your finger on the burrs. "He didnt know" my ass. Everyone knows what the ends of bars look like when uncut. These goddamn things were cut with a sawzall or hacksaw(not straight like they were chop sawwd)
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Let the pics do the talking.
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No chrome wrap on the ends. Signs of blade striations. Signs of rust. And last but not least the frosting on top of the cake. A unfinished cut. Started over twice before completeing the cut. Hacksaw job at best.
How in the hell do you not see this? CMON
Just lmk if you need more.
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lol
so who was it then? before they have someone else over
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Your lawn needs cutting to
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Your lawn needs cutting to
lol that was the only way I could get my camera to focus that close. Damn and I just cut
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so your not going to name them then ?
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Well I received my first replies today. I asked for a partial refund thru paypal. An amount I thought was fair considering they were cut down bars. A price I would have paid if I had known they were cut previously.
His only reply to that was " I did not cut them bars"
To all my messages he stated he had been away, so I should just send back the bars
So herein is another dilema. Do I stand a chance actually getting my refund if I send them back? After he gets them back he can just keep the bars and the money. Right? Or do I request a refund prior to sending them back? Plus should I have to pay for the shipping fees or does he??
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Don't give the bars back without a refund 1st and you want the return shipping costs refunded as well.
I am speaking from experience :daumenhoch:
This happend twice with me recently 1 with a bike (long story),and a faulted cd player...I didn't get messed around twice.
My suggestion is tell the seller you want the money refunded in full and you will ship the bars same day back to him with a scan of the tracker number...if he gives you beef just round up your mates and go and kick the living daylights out of the robbing tw4t :4_17_5:
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so your not going to name them then ?
I promise I will if he continues to flake.
He wants me to send the bars back, then I will get the refund. But I said no way. Somethin tells me I am out the bars and the money. If hes a stand up guy he will afford me the opportunity to receive a refund then send the bars back. If negotiations collapse then I will update this post with the name of the seller, both here and on ebay. I will try to save anyone else from going thru the same dissappointment
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Sounds like you need to name him before anyone else deals with him. I have a feeling that if you send the bars back you won't hear from him anymore...
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Wether he is a business seller or joe bloggs...he has broken the sale of goods act.
They are not as described and defective....I would post him up on here (along with pictures of the hacksaw marks)so other people will know to stay clear.
Generally the bmx community on here is fantastic-however as in any walk of life there's always the odd maggot in the apples :D
Do not send the bars back without your money back first. :daumenhoch:
Chances are if he is not named..he will re sell the bars and someone else is gonna be in the crap.
If the Bars had been described correctly...i.e Cut at the ends then you would not have made the purchase.
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The pics are posted so everyone can see the cuts.
And I will not send back bars without a full refund first
Not sure why I am letting him off the hook, but I am stretching my patience and my hope in humanity to its limits. Just to provide him with every possible opportunity to make things right. I can assure you if anything else pops up on the for sale boards by him . I will chime in promptly. keep tuned
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name him
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name him
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The pics are posted so everyone can see the cuts.
And I will not send back bars without a full refund first
Not sure why I am letting him off the hook, but I am stretching my patience and my hope in humanity to its limits. Just to provide him with every possible opportunity to make things right. I can assure you if anything else pops up on the for sale boards by him . I will chime in promptly. keep tuned
Where's the pics :coolsmiley:
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i would like to PUT MY SIDE on here and i have nothing to hide
also i dont smoke anything ! that comment has P***** me O** as i have never done drugs
for one as soon as you emailed me through ebay i replyed via my blackberry even though it was in the middle of the night on both times plus when you first pm me i replyed to you again via my blackberry.
when i first got these bars this year i straight away put my grips on them and my bro even had a look at them . to my knowledge these bars have never been cut right up to me selling them to you.
now on my ebay i have a no returns but if you are that un happy i will take them back but if i find them shorter than when i sold them i will not be happy
i would never miss lead anyone when i`m selling anything, as i do buy things off ebay myself
i have nothing to hide
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what are the bars anyway? Rare what?
sorry if this has been explained already, but I could not see were.. :-[
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when i first got these bars this year i straight away put my grips on them and my bro even had a look at them . to my knowledge these bars have never been cut right up to me selling them to you.
Bit confusing this one, are you saying then that bullseye cut them down? :-\ Or was it the postie to get them through the letterbox ;D
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cant see that the buyer would destroy the bars he wanted by cutting them down.
dont make no sence for him to do that.
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Hay Steveie wonder give him his money back ! :knuppel2: 8) :Aresehole:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k240/synergy1968/stevie_wonder2.jpg)
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when i first got these bars this year i straight away put my grips on them and my bro even had a look at them . to my knowledge these bars have never been cut right up to me selling them to you.
Or was it the postie to get them through the letterbox ;D
:2funny: :LolLolLolLol:
fooking cut and shuts them ,,,, :buck2: give him a refund you dirt bag ,or at least some money back ,end of :knuppel2:
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i would like to PUT MY SIDE on here and i have nothing to hide
also i dont smoke anything ! that comment has P***** me O** as i have never done drugs
for one as soon as you emailed me through ebay i replyed via my blackberry even though it was in the middle of the night on both times plus when you first pm me i replyed to you again via my blackberry.
when i first got these bars this year i straight away put my grips on them and my bro even had a look at them . to my knowledge these bars have never been cut right up to me selling them to you.
now on my ebay i have a no returns but if you are that un happy i will take them back but if i find them shorter than when i sold them i will not be happy
Mike, glad to see you here. Now cmon dude I posted the pics in theis thread(are they not up?) Its quite clear there cut down
Now let me explain , now that the cats out of the bag. The REVCORE bars are pro size. Pro size means 29". Th
i would never miss lead anyone when i`m selling anything, as i do buy things off ebay myself
i have nothing to hide
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i would like to PUT MY SIDE on here and i have nothing to hide
also i dont smoke anything ! that comment has P***** me O** as i have never done drugs
for one as soon as you emailed me through ebay i replyed via my blackberry even though it was in the middle of the night on both times plus when you first pm me i replyed to you again via my blackberry.
when i first got these bars this year i straight away put my grips on them and my bro even had a look at them . to my knowledge these bars have never been cut right up to me selling them to you.
now on my ebay i have a no returns but if you are that un happy i will take them back but if i find them shorter than when i sold them i will not be happy
i would never miss lead anyone when i`m selling anything, as i do buy things off ebay myself
i have nothing to hide
First of all Mike you are a liar. You never sent me any messages. You probably sent them to someone else. Or they didnt go thru. Check you account. If so then to what address? Ebay? Paypal? Because I can guarantee you if you did those are documented by each. Ive been chasing you for over a week and NOW I am going to ignore you. We wouldnt be here airing out the laundry if you did contact me. Im a memeber on every goddam bmx site. My username is the same everywhere. Including ebay. So its not difficult locating me.
Now onto another matter. This may seem like ego here, but I AM the biggest Revcore collector by far. Its all I collect!!!. I own every single frame they ever produced (11). Some 3-4 deep. I own countless bars , posts, pedal sets, clamps hubsets, shipping boxes, race jerseys, trophies, decal sets, etc etc etc. You will never be able to tell me anything Revcore related I dont know.
I have catalogs and brochures that document every aspect of every part they ever produced. So I know what the dimensions should be on all 5 bars they ever made. The bars you sold me are pro size. Which makes them 29" uncut. Yours are 27". Now I posted pics. Some members did see them. So I hope they are still up. If you cant see them update your browser settings or java.
If you are denying you sent cut bars you are a liar. And a thief. Claiming you have nothing to hide means diddly. When the proof is in the pics and bars themselves. You parted out an entire Revcore build. You had to know. The guy you bought the bars from had to know. Check with him. Unless your a complete idiot and you think its normal for handlebars not to have any chrome on the ends and cut on an angle and have hacksaw teeth marks. Then yes you didnt know. lol
What I am willing to do is if any member here knows of another member here in the US that carries alot of clout and respect. I will ship them to him for verification. In case you dont believe me. If a moderator wants to get involved I will send as many pics as needed to him for proof.
Lets be quite clear. My passion is Revcore. I would never defraud you or anyone by purposely damaging bars that I paid so much for. Your bars were used I knew that and I didnt care. That is why I paid so much for them. I want them. Or rather I wanted pro size bars unmolested. I have asked you repeatedly. If you want the bars back then refund my monies plus the exact shipping cost you charged me, plus the exact shipping back to you.. Or settle with me on a price that is indicitive of the condition.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170387859154&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
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Ok i checked this thread and I am still seeing the pics. Can someone please verify they can see the pics I posted.
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I can see your pics. Looking at the auction, I can see that the only full shot of the bars shows them from the back. Am I right in assuming the damage/sawcuts are on the front of the bars and this has been deliberately hidden. :-\
The seller is not liable for the cost of return postage BTW but he should refund the cost of posting them out to you as you paid for that in the first place - if you open a Paypal dispute etc. you will find this out :daumenhoch:
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return bars directly thru the sellers front window ???
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return bars directly thru the sellers front window ???
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Or Ram them through His Back Door OUCH !!
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Mr Fraser...just refund the lad and he will post back the bars and then you can relist them and describe them properly.
He bought the Bars as 29" Pro bars...and received molested 27" Bars so do the honest thing hit the refund button and move on. :daumenhoch:
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Hay steveie Wonder what do ya think of these pro handlebars ! dont ya just luv um
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Well I received my first replies today. I asked for a partial refund thru paypal. An amount I thought was fair considering they were cut down bars. A price I would have paid if I had known they were cut previously.
His only reply to that was " I did not cut them bars"
To all my messages he stated he had been away, so I should just send back the bars
So herein is another dilema. Do I stand a chance actually getting my refund if I send them back? After he gets them back he can just keep the bars and the money. Right? Or do I request a refund prior to sending them back? Plus should I have to pay for the shipping fees or does he??
If the seller doesn't agree to the partial refund amount in the given time allowed for a dispute (20 days) just raise to a 'claim' and let Paypal take care of it.
You should get the partial refund amount from Paypal and they will then chase the seller for their money. If he has agreed to a full refund, copy the evidence in the Paypal dispute, document the tracking details (send signed-for) and again if not settled before the 20 days raise to a claim. As postage was including in the original sale you'll effectively get it back with a full refund.
To be honest all this seems a bit unnecessary to me as you paid through Paypal. A bit of research in to the refund process and you'll have found out that you're covered for this sort of thing.
Don't get me wrong it's good of you to let RAD members know who to perhaps avoid on eBay (there's a place for that in the For Sale section).
Anyway, hope that helps :daumenhoch:
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Give the man the partial refund he's asking for, wipe your mouth and move on. There's nothing to be gained from dragging this along.
Unless of course, you actually are intending to rip him off?
In which case, stand up and take it on the chin.
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Still, not a single correspondence from him thru ebay, my email, phone, or paypal. Although he did refuse my first request for a partial refund a few days ago. So I lowered the amount and now I wait.
So I guess its moving forward with a full blown paypal claim.