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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: gregster on March 16, 2006, 04:04 PM
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...went for a rummage back home in Mum & Dad's shed and low and behold look what I found.
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_01.jpg)
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_02.jpg)
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_04.jpg)
My Dad said months ago that he had seen the Rickman somewhere but I didn't think I'd find my very first BMX.
As far as I remember it was a 'wire wheel' Mongoose, nothing special I know but for sentimental value :daumenhoch:
Can anyone help with the serial #?
Looks like some serious resto work this year.
g.
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way cool find greg!!!
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yay!!!
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Nice one :daumenhoch:
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My parents have moved house about 5 times since I left home, there's no chance of me having a find like that :'(
What a right tickle though, nice one Fella :daumenhoch:
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Oh get in, can't wait to see it built!
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That Rickman looks great. :daumenhoch:
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Hate to be the Simon Cowell :Aresehole: of this thread, but that's no Mongoose mate.
(sorry :-\ )
It appears to be some kind of copy, most likely Akisu judging by the drops.
Orb and Graeme must not have had the heart to tell you :D
It's still cool to find your old bikes. Now go give your dad a good razzing for going cheap!
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What make are them bars on the floor next to the frame?
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the mongoose wire wheel was an ammaco thing, and wasn't the same sort of frame of as the regular US gooses
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Hate to be the Simon Cowell :Aresehole: of this thread, but that's no Mongoose mate.
(sorry :-\ )
It appears to be some kind of copy, most likely Akisu judging by the drops.
Orb and Graeme must not have had the heart to tell you :D
It's still cool to find your old bikes. Now go give your dad a good razzing for going cheap!
It's definately a Goose Astrodamus. I had it brand new when I was 9 or 10. Have pictures at home with me on it on xmas morning. Mongoose plate, pads and everything.
I know it was one of the cheaper gooses without the looptail .etc but it's defo a goose.
;)
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it was definately a "goose"
but i think it was only for the UK market, and was basically an ammaco frame.
cool find!!!
now lets see the xmas pics mofo
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now lets see the xmas pics mofo
Will get them next time I go see the folks. I've got my Halfords helmet and goggles on with my pyjamas :LolLolLolLol:
Also got some pics of the Rickman when I'd finished building it. It was pute white, Skyways, CW bars, Uni Pro. God knows where all that stuff went. I even had White Mike Buff Z-Rims on it at one point but they've disappeared too. arse!
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what bars? if you know please :daumenhoch:
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Hate to be the Simon Cowell :Aresehole: of this thread, but that's no Mongoose mate.
(sorry :-\ )
It appears to be some kind of copy, most likely Akisu judging by the drops.
Orb and Graeme must not have had the heart to tell you :D
It's still cool to find your old bikes. Now go give your dad a good razzing for going cheap!
It's definately a Goose Astrodamus. I had it brand new when I was 9 or 10. Have pictures at home with me on it on xmas morning. Mongoose plate, pads and everything.
I know it was one of the cheaper gooses without the looptail .etc but it's defo a goose.
;)
You can call it whatever you like, but you cannot (correctly) call it a mongoose.
"UK goose" does not cut it. Ammaco was merely the UK distributor. But BMX Products Inc. did not manufacture that frame, therefore it is not a mongoose. If BMX Products gave Ammaco a license to procure cheap copies and sticker it up as mongoose, that does not make it a mongoose product, and I sincerely doubt mongoose gave permission as they would also be stuck with liability. All sorts of shenannigans ocurred with UK distributors (see: SE PK Rippers stickered as Race Inc. etc..) so this appears to be in league with that.
I'm trying my hardest to preserve the great heritage of BMX Products '75 through '82 by painstakingly building tribute bicycles true to their original specs, and correcting misinformation whenever I see it, and so when you guys try to call this booger-weld bike a mongoose, it rubs me the wrong way.
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Ammaco a license to procure cheap copies
lol
I have a few geese and many Ammaco Freestylers.
The welding on the Freestle King is way better than on a Californian and the tubing is better too :)
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what bars? if you know please :daumenhoch:
Not sure Daz, Skyway copies AFAIK
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Hate to be the Simon Cowell :Aresehole: of this thread, but that's no Mongoose mate.
(sorry :-\ )
It appears to be some kind of copy, most likely Akisu judging by the drops.
Orb and Graeme must not have had the heart to tell you :D
It's still cool to find your old bikes. Now go give your dad a good razzing for going cheap!
It's definately a Goose Astrodamus. I had it brand new when I was 9 or 10. Have pictures at home with me on it on xmas morning. Mongoose plate, pads and everything.
I know it was one of the cheaper gooses without the looptail .etc but it's defo a goose.
;)
You can call it whatever you like, but you cannot (correctly) call it a mongoose.
"UK goose" does not cut it. Ammaco was merely the UK distributor. But BMX Products Inc. did not manufacture that frame, therefore it is not a mongoose. If BMX Products gave Ammaco a license to procure cheap copies and sticker it up as mongoose, that does not make it a mongoose product, and I sincerely doubt mongoose gave permission as they would also be stuck with liability. All sorts of shenannigans ocurred with UK distributors (see: SE PK Rippers stickered as Race Inc. etc..) so this appears to be in league with that.
I'm trying my hardest to preserve the great heritage of BMX Products '75 through '82 by painstakingly building tribute bicycles true to their original specs, and correcting misinformation whenever I see it, and so when you guys try to call this booger-weld bike a mongoose, it rubs me the wrong way.
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Thanks for ruining my childhood :Aresehole:
There's me thinking I had a Mongoose for my first BMX then low and behold you come along some 20 years later and shatter my dreams.
Who called the fricking BMX police anyway? :police: I was just sharing my old bikes with some likeminded people.
To be honest I don't really care if it's not a 'proper Mongoose' as you say, old school bmx is not about being anal for me, this was my first bmx and has real sentimantal value.
:LolLolLolLol:
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Ammaco a license to procure cheap copies
lol
I have a few geese and many Ammaco Freestylers.
The welding on the Freestle King is way better than on a Californian and the tubing is better too :)
Oh I have no doubt in that.. I consider Californians Taiwan junk as well. But go have a look at that pic again:
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_04.jpg)
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Thanks for ruining my childhood :Aresehole:
There's me thinking I had a Mongoose for my first BMX then low and behold you come along some 20 years later and shatter my dreams.
Who called the fricking BMX police anyway? :police: I was just sharing my old bikes with some likeminded people.
To be honest I don't really care if it's not a 'proper Mongoose' as you say, old school bmx is not about being anal for me, this was my first bmx and has real sentimantal value.
:LolLolLolLol:
Don't be mad at me for bringing the truth, be mad at your dad! :daumenhoch:
I didn't ruin your childhood, I simply corrected a mistatement.
Truth hurts sometimes.
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and so when you guys try to call this booger-weld bike a mongoose, it rubs me the wrong way.
hehe
old gooses werent exactly top quality
mine have rough welds, and on one of them one of the chainstays is a good half inch longer than the other side
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I consider Californians Taiwan junk as well. But go have a look at that pic again:
Does it matter where it was made?
Its still a 'BMX Products' bike.
Besides. My Cali frame is way better built than my old motomag frame.
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the taiwanese make great frames
they are very hard workers!!!
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Nice finds m8.... Super special that you find your first ride :daumenhoch:
I wish my parents had kept my old stuff... they lobbed everything except a snapped ripper and a yellow OGK mag wheel...the nutters.
Look forward to seeing them both when you have had the autosol out. I have always liked Rickman stuff.
The Ammaco/Mongoose is still a goose in my book wherever it was made.... if it wasn't for affordable bikes like Ammacos, Falcons and Burners etc then BMX would never have been enjoyed by as many people as it was.
All the best for the resto's
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Don't be mad at me for bringing the truth, be mad at your dad! :daumenhoch:
I didn't ruin your childhood, I simply corrected a mistatement.
Truth hurts sometimes.
I am furious with may Dad, can't believe the tight wad didn't buy me the Pro-Class I really wanted!
Anyway's Mongoose Shmongoose, I loved that bike. :smitten: Even if it wasn't a proper one (allegedly) :knuppel2:
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well it may not be american made, but it was stickered up as a mongoose from the UK mongoose factory
i wouldnt call it a wrongoose.
its a mongoose wire wheel
anybody remember bmx racer and freestyle mag? they "sponsered" a kid in that mag, and bought him one. there was a monthly section on him
i think his name was kevin
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Some Mongoose were made under licence by Ammaco, just the same as Skyway Tuffs and ACS Z Rims were also made under licence in the uk, it doesn`t matter where it was made its still a Mongoose :daumenhoch:
Looks like you`ll have to add these to your collection Astro if you want a complete collection of Mongeese :10_2_12:
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Fact is, it was sold as a goose, therefore its a goose.
The AP burner may have been made by Tange, but its a Burner non the less.
The Gen One Haro Freestyler may have been made by Torker, but its a Haro non the less.
The Kuwahara range is mainly Tange, yet they are Kuwahara's non the less.
Hutch mag wheels may be made by OGK, but they are called Hutch
MRD frames are made by Rickman, but they are still called MRD.
Christ, Hutch did not make thier early frames, but people still get wood over 'eary' Hutch frames (god knows why, they are all shite).
Just because it is not what you remember mongoose to be dont mean that it is anything else but a goose, it may be built by a different welders torch, in a different country, but it is still a goosey goosey gander. And it makes absoloutly no odds where a bike was made, the fact is, on Xmas day in 1986 when many a young pup opened up his box containing a Trickstar, do you think he checked the length of the foot pegs and if it had a baseball symbol or not, no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride, not even bothered where it was from, the fact to most kids was, said bike was a trickstar.
Nowadays people seem to be so anal about where a frame was made and forgetting why they are in this hobby for the first place, for the love of BMX and to relive youth, not about cashing in on my 'usa made' this and my NOS that, its about the frame and no one gives a shit where its from, it is that attitude thats killing this hobby off by making it a value thing not a fun thing.
Point made yet?
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Sorry Billy, just read that you said about the same as me, only you did not take 30 mins to do so :)
Oh, another point, Goose only made a few good frames:
- FS-1
- Decade
- Decade Pro
:10_2_12: :10_2_12: :10_2_12: :10_2_12: :10_2_12: :10_2_12: :10_2_12:
8)
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i like all gooses
gimme gimme gimme
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Bill & Orb - well said. I think Astro might be jealous that he hasn't got one in his collection :LolLolLolLol:
Now, anyone care to tell me where I can get some new decals for the Rickman?
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I have a set or 2 :)
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Pffffft .. Tell it to the man ...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d158/gmac-01/superg.jpg)
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Fact is, it was sold as a goose, therefore its a goose.
The AP burner may have been made by Tange, but its a Burner non the less.
The Gen One Haro Freestyler may have been made by Torker, but its a Haro non the less.
The Kuwahara range is mainly Tange, yet they are Kuwahara's non the less.
Hutch mag wheels may be made by OGK, but they are called Hutch
MRD frames are made by Rickman, but they are still called MRD.
Christ, Hutch did not make thier early frames, but people still get wood over 'eary' Hutch frames (god knows why, they are all shite).
Just because it is not what you remember mongoose to be dont mean that it is anything else but a goose, it may be built by a different welders torch, in a different country, but it is still a goosey goosey gander. And it makes absoloutly no odds where a bike was made, the fact is, on Xmas day in 1986 when many a young pup opened up his box containing a Trickstar, do you think he checked the length of the foot pegs and if it had a baseball symbol or not, no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride, not even bothered where it was from, the fact to most kids was, said bike was a trickstar.
Nowadays people seem to be so anal about where a frame was made and forgetting why they are in this hobby for the first place, for the love of BMX and to relive youth, not about cashing in on my 'usa made' this and my NOS that, its about the frame and no one gives a shit where its from, it is that attitude thats killing this hobby off by making it a value thing not a fun thing.
Point made yet?
hell no.
You may own the site, but you can't change history. That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash. Sorry to rain on his parade. I think it's noble of you lot to try and make him feel better. I said he should be mad at his dad, but that was just tongue in cheek.. only joking. He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose.
And if that was sold in 1986, then I could care less about that mongoose era anyway, by then they had "sold their soul", but having said that.. the fact that this copy bike has a gusset was an attempt to copy the previous gusset era.
And I completely disagree with you regarding the quality of welds on old geese versus Calis etc.. How many old one's do you personally own?
I do, however, agree with your sentiment regarding us as kids.. we did not check for baseball symbols and such, and were very happy to have whatever BMX we received. BUT that was then, and now, as adults, some of us are trying to memoralize an era in a historical sense, being true to the integrity of actual history. Likewise, when I was a kid, I never repacked my wheel bearings, but now that I'm an adult, I do. Does that mean I should just let them cake up and harden with dirt just because I didn't maintain my BMX bikes too well as a 12 year old?
If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike, then more power to ya!
But don't try and gang-tackle me for speaking the truth in all honesty. Facts are ALWAYS good. There has never been a time when facts worsened a situation. Truth brings knowlege and understanding. Falsehoods sometimes make us feel better, and so that's what we are after right? warm fuzzy feelings, or cold truth?
If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
:rant:
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So what your saying is that the decal sets made under licence for Mongoose, and soon to be SE Racing, by Bill Curtin are not in fact the real deal and should be treated with distain :10_2_12:
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Fact is, it was sold as a goose, therefore its a goose.
The AP burner may have been made by Tange, but its a Burner non the less.
The Gen One Haro Freestyler may have been made by Torker, but its a Haro non the less.
The Kuwahara range is mainly Tange, yet they are Kuwahara's non the less.
Hutch mag wheels may be made by OGK, but they are called Hutch
MRD frames are made by Rickman, but they are still called MRD.
Christ, Hutch did not make thier early frames, but people still get wood over 'eary' Hutch frames (god knows why, they are all shite).
Just because it is not what you remember mongoose to be dont mean that it is anything else but a goose, it may be built by a different welders torch, in a different country, but it is still a goosey goosey gander. And it makes absoloutly no odds where a bike was made, the fact is, on Xmas day in 1986 when many a young pup opened up his box containing a Trickstar, do you think he checked the length of the foot pegs and if it had a baseball symbol or not, no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride, not even bothered where it was from, the fact to most kids was, said bike was a trickstar.
Nowadays people seem to be so anal about where a frame was made and forgetting why they are in this hobby for the first place, for the love of BMX and to relive youth, not about cashing in on my 'usa made' this and my NOS that, its about the frame and no one gives a shit where its from, it is that attitude thats killing this hobby off by making it a value thing not a fun thing.
Point made yet?
hell no.
You may own the site, but you can't change history. That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash. Sorry to rain on his parade. I think it's noble of you lot to try and make him feel better. I said he should be mad at his dad, but that was just tongue in cheek.. only joking. He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose.
And if that was sold in 1986, then I could care less about that mongoose era anyway, by then they had "sold their soul", but having said that.. the fact that this copy bike has a gusset was an attempt to copy the previous gusset era.
And I completely disagree with you regarding the quality of welds on old geese versus Calis etc.. How many old one's do you personally own?
I do, however, agree with your sentiment regarding us as kids.. we did not check for baseball symbols and such, and were very happy to have whatever BMX we received. BUT that was then, and now, as adults, some of us are trying to memoralize an era in a historical sense, being true to the integrity of actual history. Likewise, when I was a kid, I never repacked my wheel bearings, but now that I'm an adult, I do. Does that mean I should just let them cake up and harden with dirt just because I didn't maintain my BMX bikes too well as a 12 year old?
If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike, then more power to ya!
But don't try and gang-tackle me for speaking the truth in all honesty. Facts are ALWAYS good. There has never been a time when facts worsened a situation. Truth brings knowlege and understanding. Falsehoods sometimes make us feel better, and so that's what we are after right? warm fuzzy feelings, or cold truth?
If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
:rant:
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Good old Kev, I knew I could rely on you to post what I was looking for :daumenhoch:
Mongoose or not Mongoose - that is the question ???
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v603/kdw712/mongoose%20scans/ammacogooses.jpg)
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Hi Moose
Hehehehe
Just about to post the same pic - http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=8474.0
J.
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Looks like a Mongoose to me, it says so on frame and everything ;)
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Someone has gone to a lot of trouble stealing all those mongoose stamped parts and spending thousands on marketing!!!!!! :LolLolLolLol:
If it quacks its a goose :daumenhoch:
My first BMX was a second hand super burner that my dad got tuffs for, I had pointed out the new super tuff in the shop and he could not afford it.....
to me it was a super tuff burner and I loved it (until I got my silver streak!)
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You guys just proved my point, look at the Ammaco team under it, SAME frame and fork.
As far as the decals go, they are quality, but admittedly, they are not as nice as the originals since, in my opinion, the gold background looks more green than gold to me. So no, they are nothing more than repros and can never be NOS originals.
I can't believe they allowed Ammaco to call those pieces of poo a mongoose, but by then, mongoose had already sold it's soul to the devil.
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Thanks for all your positive input Astro. Nice one! :idiot2:
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How many old one's do you personally own?
got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
and a cali, supergoose 3, and expert of newer taiwanese type
i'll take pictures of the build quality issues on the old gooses for you
i still really like them though!!! i just like the big chunky gussets
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Lots of BMX companies got 'Dirty' toward the end...look at Hutch etc. Lots produced Budget bikes with parts and frames made in the Far East... Just because they are less desirable doesn't mean they are not authentic.
Ammaco and Mongoose were holding hands from years before that bike came on the scene. To fulfill demand for a budget bike market Ammaco/Mongoose produced the wirewheel. Marketed and Sold as a Mongoose, badged as a Mongoose from birth it is a Mongoose... No arguement, quality doesn't come into it.
OR maybe we should all start to persue Mongoose through the courts for mis advertisement? :knuppel2:
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hell no.
. That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash. Sorry to rain on his parade. I think it's noble of you lot to try and make him feel better. I said he should be mad at his dad, but that was just tongue in cheek.. only joking. He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose.
And if that was sold in 1986, then I could care less about that mongoose era anyway, by then they had "sold their soul", but having said that.. the fact that this copy bike has a gusset was an attempt to copy the previous gusset era.
And I completely disagree with you regarding the quality of welds on old geese versus Calis etc.. How many old one's do you personally own?
I do, however, agree with your sentiment regarding us as kids.. we did not check for baseball symbols and such, and were very happy to have whatever BMX we received. BUT that was then, and now, as adults, some of us are trying to memoralize an era in a historical sense, being true to the integrity of actual history. Likewise, when I was a kid, I never repacked my wheel bearings, but now that I'm an adult, I do. Does that mean I should just let them cake up and harden with dirt just because I didn't maintain my BMX bikes too well as a 12 year old?
If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike, then more power to ya!
But don't try and gang-tackle me for speaking the truth in all honesty. Facts are ALWAYS good. There has never been a time when facts worsened a situation. Truth brings knowlege and understanding. Falsehoods sometimes make us feel better, and so that's what we are after right? warm fuzzy feelings, or cold truth?
If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
You may own the site, but you can't change history
First up, i may be a site co-owner, but how is that of any importance? I dont class myself as a higher being, I am me, we decided to set up a site, so we did it first, it does not make me higher than any other, this site is ours, not mine daves and bill's, its under ownership of the community.
That bike is a booger-weld piece of trash.
BMX Products licenced it and put thier name to it.
He should be glad that his dad bought him what he "thought" was a mongoose.
So, the lads who got a Kuwi should be gutted that they had a tange really?
BUT that was then
Yip, and thats what most of us are trying to re-create.
I never repacked my wheel bearings
I did, my father made me.
If you and him want to pretend that this bike in question is a BMX Products Inc. calibre bike
Did not say it was of the same calibre, just that it was, yet BMX products are hardly a yardstick to use when calibre is the word of choice.
If Akisu stickered frames with JMC decals, (with authorization or not) it would not make them a JMC bicycle.
No, refer to above post about Kuwa, Raleigh, Hutch, OGK and so on.....
How many old one's do you personally own?
Not many at the moment, i swapped most of em out in favour of others, had a bid on one last night but when it went to 15 quid i thought it was a bit too much.
I will agree to dissagree, as long as you will understand that it is a mongoose as much as an ET is a Kuwa
Thanks
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How many old one's do you personally own?
got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
That's not old.
I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2)
Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason.
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But its not about Quality, its about what you want and like, and if an 83 Cali is what you love, thats what you will buy and restore.
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I am by no way an expert in this field, but I can see those frames and forks in that ad are not the same
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How many old one's do you personally own?
got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
That's not old.
I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2)
Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason.
cant really afford anything earlier mate
all of mine are imports, some were quite costly (for me)
i'd like some older ones to go with my mid school collection
i just like bmx's. i got bikes from 1980 to 2002 in my collection!
when was the pro class made? i'd like one of them too.
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How many old one's do you personally own?
got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
That's not old.
I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2)
Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason.
cant really afford anything earlier mate
all of mine are imports, some were quite costly (for me)
i'd like some older ones to go with my mid school collection
i just like bmx's. i got bikes from 1980 to 2002 in my collection!
when was the pro class made? i'd like one of them too.
I think the earliest proclass came out in '82.
They are pictued in a 1983 mongoose catalogue, and one thing I've discovered about the mongoose catalogues is that if they say 1979 on the front, then the bikes and parts displayed are 1978. Since Pro-class appeared in the "83" catalogue, then they were around in 82. Hence the fact that you see gussetted geese in the "83" catalogue.
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cool
i like them all anyway!!!
no mongoose collection is complete without a cali!!!
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for fukks sake.
you guys.
a mans bike from when he was nine is worth 10000 times more than any argument about when or where a particular frame was made.
i am sat her laughing my tits off as i write this...
bmx is a niche industry, oldskool, doubly so.
if you alienate people from their bikes because of some anal date/place line, i would have to seriously consider whether i stil had a firm grip on reality .
c'mon. i have ridden chatsworth mongooses and owned them, they are all crap.
but if you you love them, they are the best bike in the world. lets have a bit more positive thought, action, etc, rather than quoting chapter and verse about somthing that only 50 people in the uk would understand, let alone be arsed about.
orb.....
no, all the kid wanted to do was put on a set of tuffs (stamped made in England) and get out and ride
heh heh....go on lad, always pushing......
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based upon all of the quotes and post's above i will post a pic of my TORKER 280
thanks
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/harogb.jpg)
Dave
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bollocks, thats an ammaco (a decent one, not a BMX product version) pretending to be a torker pretending to be a haro.
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is that akisu?
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no, its got a baseball symbol so its not jap. must be worth a monkey.
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you lot all know nothing.
bunch of twonks
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is that akisu?
Dont laugh too hard! My Akisu is a direct copy of that! I kid you not.
Way to stir the pot george!
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How many old one's do you personally own?
got an 80, 81 and 82 old gussetted goose
That's not old.
I have a '76, '77(2), '78, '79, '80 (2), '81(2)
Quality was there from the very beginning, and quality did not start dropping off until late 81. Gee, I don't see any 82 and up models in my inventory for some reason.
The arguement was "Is the bike or is the bike not as Mongoose"
anything after 81 to you is not a Mongoose then?...because it wasn't as well made, or it was made in conjunction with another company? Isn't that just Snobbery? Are you collecting for the love or just the political correctness? Collect what you like but don't criticise other peoples bikes because they don't fit into YOUR perfect ideal as a Mongoose. Its a Goose no matter how much you hate it... FACT ....look at the picture...
now deal with it and lets move on :)
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If it was manufactured by BMX Products Inc. then it's a mongoose. The mongoose name or sticker does not make it a "BMX Products Inc." Bicycle, which is the only company I collect. The name "mongoose" was sold to pacific, who also bought the Schwinn name as well as GT and others.. But the Wal-Mart (that's the largest store chain in America) mongoose is not a BMX products Inc. Bicycle even though it is technically a mongoose. Do you get it now?
BMX Products Inc. is the key. Don't lose sight of that when you respond.
Ammaco or Akisu manufactured the bike in question. If I threw that piece of crap on e-bay, and called it a gussetted mongoose, I would be cited for fraud and deception.
It would be no different if back in 1981 Hutch permitted a junk bike company in Thailand to put Hutch stickers on a "Barko" frame made with bubble gum welds, then fast forward to 2006, some poor sap who grew up in Thailand posts a pic of his "Hutch" which looks exactly like the junk amacco "mongoose" pictured in this thread, and says "Hey, check out my 1981 Hutch!"
What do you think people would say? umm.. maybe "Hey guy, love the kickstand, cottered 3pc cranks and the basket on the front!" It's not a Hutch as far as what the term "Hutch" means to 99.9% of the planets inhabitants. Only a few saps in Thailand think a Hutch should have a basket and a kickstand. And only a few blokes in the UK think a mongoose should have snot welds and akisu dropouts.
You know as well as I do, if that Thai dude listed his basket bike on e-bay with no pic and said "bone stock 1981 Hutch with Hutch 3pc cranks, $799 buy it now" and you ended up with a bike with a basket, a kickstand, splooge-welds and no aerospeeds, you'd be hotter than a pistol now wouldn't you? go on.. admit it!
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Let's play the "one of these things is not like the other game"
Today's topic.. welds:
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_02.jpg)
(http://www.tenpaces.net/bmx/shed_04.jpg)
(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3080/decoster0198hc.jpg)
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/579/bluemax0079mu.jpg)
(http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4328/bluemax0034qo.jpg)
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I dont deny its a copy of an early design.... one aimed at kids whose parents couldn't afford the best. How are Mongoose going to provide welding of that quality for $99.99 or Ł99.99 for a whole bike? They aren't and didn't. They had to source affordable options. The fact still remains that the frame is a Mongoose it was bought new just like the one in the pic. What you are saying in your reply basically says that mongoose is guilty of ripping everyone off who bought one. I admire your background knowledge on Gooses and i like your bikes but the wirewheel pictured is part of your Mongoose history, just like the supergoose III, the californian and the Pro class...whether you like it or not..... :daumenhoch:
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Hi
This is getting technical.
I agree that the bike is not what a true Mongoose should be, and was made and sold as a cheap bike, it's all about supply and demand and selling on a brand name - just look at the price difference between the Ammaco and Mongoose Wire Wheel, a lot of money for nearly the same bike, and Mongoose cashed in.
However, right or wrong it was sold and stickered as a Mongoose with that decision made by the board. I agree it does depend on what way you look at it whether it is a Mongoose. Example - a VW Polo is an Audi Rabbit, Many Vauxhall cars are badged as Omega, and it's all the same bar the name.
Did I ever want one, no - but have since found a few Ammaco and Mongoose. If they are lost / skipped and crushed they are gone forever.
The welds are a good point, but that is the frame that Mongoose choose for it's Wire Wheel model.
Ammaco are also not that bad at welds -
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/b192/greentoad/IMG_4435.jpg)
Nice collection you have by the way, got any more pictures?
J.
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I think I understand Astro's point, but playing devils advocate, was 'the company' still 'BMX Products Inc' when it had frames made in Japan or Tiawan (or wherever)? Surely these frames were not made by BMX Products Inc and therefore in your eyes Astro, not Mongoose?
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a VW Polo is an Audi Rabbit
the polo was an audi 100
the rabbit is the US name for the MK1 golf
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Hi
I love this site - sorry wrong car.
VW Polo was the Audi 50 - http://www.audi50.de/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi#Production_cars
Audi 100 is now A6, Audi 80 is now A4
Confusion on cars too.
J.
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Hi
I love this site - sorry wrong car.
VW Polo was the Audi 50 - http://www.audi50.de/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi#Production_cars
Audi 100 is now A6, Audi 80 is now A4
Confusion on cars too.
J.
Yip, what he said.
The Vauxhall Nova was a Corsa on the continent. The Chevroet Nova was a total different thing, although, they are all made by GM.
The Cosa over here is actually not a car and is in fact a big bubble from the washing up bowl.
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sorry yes audi 50 became the mk1 polo
i like mk1 polos
but try and find a not rusty one
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Jeez, I really wish I hadn't bothered posting my pics at all now.
Astro, you have a nice collection there so fair play to you. If they bring you half as much pleasure as my Ł170 wire wheel goose did then good for you.
Afterall that's what it's all about isn't it? Fun? Enjoyment? Re-living your youth!
Be as anal as you want to be mate, I'm just glad the majority of other members of this site aren't a uptight as you and enjoy BMX for what it is.
:rant:
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entertaining subject fella's
i had a wirewheel as my first bike, and i still love bmx wether it was an ammacao or not.
next time you rock out on your epiphone guitar though just remember it's made by samick (probably) :LolLolLolLol:
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it doesnt matter where it was made all that matters that it IS a mongoose if mongoose put their name to it just like if haro had put their name to the crappest bike ever it would still be a haro just not one of the desireable ones ... it may not have been a mongoose that was made when bmx produscts inc owned it but it is a mongoose nethertheless hey the 06 mongoose villain may not be a bmx products inc mongoose but it is still a mongoose
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isn't retro reading good, how'd i miss this the first time round
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hmmm same here
Rich
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It was all very anal......Some good points and a lot of bolloxx, still reafding this beats watching a tape of bad girls
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i got a 79 mity goose pit bike, it's bad welds and ways more than patrick moore. And it is bmx products.
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Either way you look at it. It's not gonna polish up and is deffo gonna need a rechrome!
Good luck with the resto, hope it brings back some fond memories! :4_17_5:
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Just got back off my hols and read this thread. Man, that astro is an :Aresehole: somebody shoot him before he ruins all our memory's. I've got my old quality Streetbeat but, when Dave (stodgy) allowed me to buy his Ammaco which is the same as my first BMX that was stolen it made my year. Streetbeat in the garage, Ammaco in the bedroom with me and my memorys every night. Thanks again Dave, she's a beauty :4_17_5: ;)
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ASTRO-ANUS
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:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: what a name, it suits him so well ;D
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The guy (astrowhatever) has a point and is entitled to his opinion however I think it is flawed, a point of FACT is that Ammaco would never have been allowed to market a product without the copyright holders permission and if the copyright holder gave permission then technically and in a court of law the rights of the name "Mongoose" would have been assigned. Mongoose would have been all over them like a rash if they did it without permission, so no repro frame stickers; I'd lay money on them coming from the same printers as the US made Goose stickers.
The argument he is using does not stand up, it's like saying that a Redline or SE Racing bike today is not actually one or the other but an imposter/fake or that Ferrari is not a Ferrari as it is really a Fiat, Aston Martin not an Aston but a Ford, Lamborgini not a Lambo but an Audi and so on. Changes of phsyical ownership of the manufacturer or copyright/patent holder are irrelevant - it is what it is and is what it was LEGALLY sold as. If he don't like gooses after '82 then that's fine but his opinion ain't worth didly squat as gooses made after '82 are still gooses whether made in Chatsworth, Taiwan or Timbuktoo.
Restore your bike, make it like it was and enjoy :daumenhoch:
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Does that mean my collection of Adidas Superstars are not real coz they were not made in France? Is Stevie Wonder not giving me the real deal coz my copy of Hotter Than July was pressed under licence outside the US? and are the bubbles in my coke taking me for a mug as Schweppes put the paint on my can?
Its a goose, even Stevie can see that :coolsmiley:
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sorry yes audi 50 became the mk1 polo
i like mk1 polos
but try and find a not rusty one
sold one not long ago. got it to use off the mother in law when i was between cars. it was bloody terrible. But not a scrap of rust, bloody great dent in the side but no rust ;D
i'd have given it to you if you collected it. i sold it for 100 euro. :2funny: i was happy i got that.
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In the right place, I think that this sort of hair-splitting argument can be interesting and perfectly valid - it's maybe overboard in the case of this thread though, given the spirit in which it was started.
I think it's a Mongoose, hey it even says so down the side. That's all that matters - it's a 25 year old bicycle.
Have fun rebuilding it :)
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looptail rippers were weak as piss and people still cock dribble over them.the yanks used to slate anything asian but as we now all know,those little fellas over there make inovative quality products.
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hope its comin on well
and we get to see your bitd bike all restored and nice
Rich
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Cool wet grass ;D Mongoose shmongoose bothered not.
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Just stumbled accross this old thread - I read it with a combination of shaking my head, nodding my head and laughing my f*#king ass off :LolLolLolLol:
At the end of the day beauty is in the eye of the beholder - one man's trash is another man's treasure - buy, build, restore, collect and ride what you the f*#k you like - pretend it's the 80's again and f*#king enjoy it :daumenhoch:
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hell yeah another crackin 'goose thread
astro had a limited arguement there really :D
chances are it was made in france by motobecane
all under licence of course :Great_Britain:
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I can understand the view of a purist and i'm sure there are rules to everyones collecting / building habits some stringent some loose - but at the end of the day that's your own rules and you can't enforce 'em on someone else.
Love a good mongoose banter though ;D
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astro had the voice of emo phillips in my head. I don't like mongooses. :uglystupid2:
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Hate to be the Simon Cowell :Aresehole: of this thread, but that's no Mongoose mate.
(sorry :-\ )
It appears to be some kind of copy, most likely Akisu judging by the drops.
Orb and Graeme must not have had the heart to tell you :D
It's still cool to find your old bikes. Now go give your dad a good razzing for going cheap!
It's definately a Goose Astrodamus. I had it brand new when I was 9 or 10. Have pictures at home with me on it on xmas morning. Mongoose plate, pads and everything.
I know it was one of the cheaper gooses without the looptail .etc but it's defo a goose.
;)
You can call it whatever you like, but you cannot (correctly) call it a mongoose.
"UK goose" does not cut it. Ammaco was merely the UK distributor. But BMX Products Inc. did not manufacture that frame, therefore it is not a mongoose. If BMX Products gave Ammaco a license to procure cheap copies and sticker it up as mongoose, that does not make it a mongoose product, and I sincerely doubt mongoose gave permission as they would also be stuck with liability. All sorts of shenannigans ocurred with UK distributors (see: SE PK Rippers stickered as Race Inc. etc..) so this appears to be in league with that.
I'm trying my hardest to preserve the great heritage of BMX Products '75 through '82 by painstakingly building tribute bicycles true to their original specs, and correcting misinformation whenever I see it, and so when you guys try to call this booger-weld bike a mongoose, it rubs me the wrong way.
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Thanks for ruining my childhood :Aresehole:
There's me thinking I had a Mongoose for my first BMX then low and behold you come along some 20 years later and shatter my dreams.
Who called the fricking BMX police anyway? :police: I was just sharing my old bikes with some likeminded people.
To be honest I don't really care if it's not a 'proper Mongoose' as you say, old school bmx is not about being anal for me, this was my first bmx and has real sentimantal value.
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fooking hell ;D thats funny but i do agree with ya ,i cant stop laughing :2funny:
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fook!!!!!
ive just read this and my 87 cali that i was all enthusiastic about building is as appealing as a fart in a space suit
thanx astroturf im now pissed off at my "mongoose" coz it was built in taiwan and has pigeon shit welds
anyone want to swap for a mk1 burner any condition considered
at least the burner is a genuine icon of my childhood or is it an "Emelle" built in oxford and not nottingham?
astroturf you really know how to ruin a 40yr old mans memories of childhood :Aresehole:
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astroturf you really know how to ruin a 40yr old mans memories of childhood :Aresehole:
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don't be too upset... a turdstrand like astro who comes on a friendly board and goes off like a cnut about what's technically "this, that (and the fooking other)" shouldn't affect your memories and love for bmx. Do the mongoose btw, burners were vile. ;D