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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: pickle on February 20, 2014, 07:44 AM
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I was chatting to a mate of mine last night who works in the the industry and he asked me an interesting question.
If you could make a small run of any part, what old school part would you bring back?
Now before you start listing frame sets and the like, it would need to be a part not a whole bike or frame set. It would also need to dodge any copyright issue.
I thought of Skyway power discs as they're a bugger to get
what would you want to see come back as a very limited run?
Suggestions so far
Skyway power disc
DP Ladder bars
16t Bendix/suntour coaster cog
Action zone bars
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16t bendix or suntour coaster cogs.... like rocking horse poop!!
No, really it'd need to be something simple (ish) like DP ladder bars or or pro neck stems, they would be easy enough and in demand.
MM
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what about Action Zone bars? (or has someone already done those) :-X
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Son lite turbo hubs.
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I'd like variety brought back
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Coaster cog's and a one of set of blue Space bars for me !!!
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gt pro bars n ogk mags :slayer:
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Rob, any chance of bringing Ed's sense of humour back ???
He's been cracking rubbish jokes on here for months now and it is getting us all down...... :-\
BTW I'm with you on the Action Zone bars - that's the one part I used to love about Daz Kap's builds :coolsmiley:
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0.5s
dp fs forks - both generations
mx saddle
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Mitsuboshi 2 Gen (green & blue label) comp 3's 1.75 :daumenhoch:
I like variety brought back
Sunday Night At The Palladium :pilky:
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Rad, before Facebook :daumenhoch:
Oh, and fat/thin Mitsuboshi Comp II's in black skinwall :coolsmiley:
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I'd like to see the part of Benny in Crossroads brought back!
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Zeronine stadium plate (cos old ones are damn expensive)
531 reynolds tubing, ie braced laybacks
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Rob, any chance of bringing Ed's sense of humour back ???
He's been cracking rubbish jokes on here for months now and it is getting us all down...... :-\
BTW I'm with you on the Action Zone bars - that's the one part I used to love about Daz Kap's builds :coolsmiley:
Is kappy still on here ?
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Daz still has a look every now and then but last time i spoke to him he was busy with work and his motor sport hobby now. He's still got a load of bikes but nothing like he used to have as lots of them have been sold to a few folks on here as well as the rest of the web :daumenhoch:
I think he kept all the Action Zone bars mind :coolsmiley:
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He is fine, seen him on Tuesday. He has kept all the action zone bars, he's made a roll cage for one of his escorts out of em.
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Cheap skinwall freestyle tyres in many colours would be nice :daumenhoch:
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Haro Flexfighters 1.5" ...should be easy enough to make 8)
Dream part would be shimano dx pedals in all the original anno colours :smitten:
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Haro didn't make flex fighters from what I remember they were just flex fighters and theres loads of them remade.
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Rad, before Facebook :daumenhoch:
Oh, and fat/thin Mitsuboshi Comp II's in black skinwall :coolsmiley:
couldn't agree more :daumenhoch:
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Them wheel discs Fiola & Moralas had on Blue Peter.
Cool as
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Profile horseshoe pedals and Campag sheriff star hubs
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Bob Reedy pedals .. :smitten: still the best looking pedals IMO even though there from the 70's
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Haro Flo Panels in all colours. :daumenhoch:
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Them wheel discs Fiola & Moralas had on Blue Peter.
Cool as
What disc were they fella ???
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I'd like my ability to ride a BMX back!
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agree with skyway power discs rob
would like skyway hotseats in grey too
also haro cd's from '87/'88 in both 44t and for smaller gearing 36t ;)
tech 7 levers too
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Good shout on Tech 7s :daumenhoch:
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Sonlites
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Not a fan of repro bits :-\
However if they did a re run of BMX Action ,BMX Action bike or BMX plus :coolsmiley:
I'd be the first with an annual subscription :smitten: :D
Other things to bring back
Sunshine. ,
Six week holidays at summer for all of us .
White dog shit .
And "Why don't you " on the telly
:)
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Agree with Factory Pilot on the coloured DX
24" tires for the cruiser would be nice.
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Am I missing something ???
Isn't finding/sourcing parts a major part of this hobby?
If you can just go out and buy everything new (repop/repro), what's the point, it's false nostalgia.
To me, it's like going into the supermarket for a bunch of grapes....
Yes you come out with grapes but they're not the big sweet juicy golden Italia grapes we had as kids. They taste of fook all and they've got no pips!!! (In short, they're fake and pointless)
:daumenhoch:
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Am I missing something ???
Isn't finding/sourcing parts a major part of this hobby?
If you can just go out and buy everything new (repop/repro), what's the point, it's false nostalgia.
To me, it's like going into the supermarket for a bunch of grapes....
Yes you come out with grapes but they're not the big sweet juicy golden Italia grapes we had as kids. They taste of fook all and they've got no pips!!! (In short, they're fake and pointless)
:daumenhoch:
Steve, i'm with you all the way. I was asked by someone in the business about a very limited run of an old/retro part so i thought i'd ask the masses
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Oh, and fat/thin Mitsuboshi Comp II's in black skinwall :coolsmiley:
Seconded. :daumenhoch:
Affordable Comp IIs are the biggest void in my a Facebook group. :'(
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Am I missing something ???
Isn't finding/sourcing parts a major part of this hobby?
If you can just go out and buy everything new (repop/repro), what's the point, it's false nostalgia.
To me, it's like going into the supermarket for a bunch of grapes....
Yes you come out with grapes but they're not the big sweet juicy golden Italia grapes we had as kids. They taste of fook all and they've got no pips!!! (In short, they're fake and pointless)
:daumenhoch:
Steve, I know what you're saying, but without repop parts, I wouldn't be able to finish my builds.
I don't get paid a massive wage so I have to go with whatever my budget will allow. I simply can't justify spending £150 on a Kashi Aero, when I can get essentially the same seat from Alan's for a 3rd of that price.
The purists may not like my bikes, or how I build them, that's fine with me. For me, one of the most fundamental factors with this hobby is how I build my bike, and how it makes ME feel when I take them out, ride them and meet up with my pals. :daumenhoch:p
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Am I missing something ???
Isn't finding/sourcing parts a major part of this hobby?
If you can just go out and buy everything new (repop/repro), what's the point, it's false nostalgia.
To me, it's like going into the supermarket for a bunch of grapes....
Yes you come out with grapes but they're not the big sweet juicy golden Italia grapes we had as kids. They taste of fook all and they've got no pips!!! (In short, they're fake and pointless)
:daumenhoch:
Steve, I know what you're saying, but without repop parts, I wouldn't be able to finish my builds.
I don't get paid a massive wage so I have to go with whatever my budget will allow. I simply can't justify spending £150 on a Kashi Aero, when I can get essentially the same seat from Alan's for a 3rd of that price.
The purists may not like my bikes, or how I build them, that's fine with me. For me, one of the most fundamental factors with this hobby is how I build my bike, and how it makes ME feel when I take them out, ride them and meet up with my pals. :daumenhoch:p
Sorry Dan, i'm not buying any of that.
I didn't mention money and i'm not picking on any person that does buy it.
Nothings stopping you finishing a build. It's your choice to buy repop as you obviously like things 'shiny and bright', as you could have bought the original for the same money if you accept it may come in a 30 year old 'pre-loved' condition with a few scrapes (and as you've admitted you ride your bikes, i don't see that as a problem)
Nobody understands better than me the pitfalls of old school BMX when your living the Champagne lifestyle on Lemonade money. I earn fook all (and i'm talking a two figure daily rate) and unfortunately i have a love for VDC's that started when i was 13 but that doesn't stop me.
I'm just not into diluting my memorys and passion with modern day money grabbing products.
Sorry if i come across arrogant it's not meant that way :Great_Britain: :smitten:
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Them wheel discs Fiola & Moralas had on Blue Peter.
Cool as
What disc were they fella ???
Dunno mate, but they were ace.
I've got some on me technicolor sport but they ain't as cool, got big bolts on em.
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/M5AT/BDF3EB24-5D81-4D41-B5AD-5FD8F58D69F2_zpsex3qjegn.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/BDF3EB24-5D81-4D41-B5AD-5FD8F58D69F2_zpsex3qjegn.jpg.html)
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/M5AT/Colourfcuk2000.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/Colourfcuk2000.jpg.html)
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I cant think of anything that wouldnt get hit by a copyright/logo infringement problem.
most stuff is logo'd, unless were talking about stuff like sharps lever grips etc.
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I'm going to say two parts Elina Seat and Sugino 1 piece cranks. :)
Not a part but I would also like to see a re run of BMX plus and BMX action magazines. :-\
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Just reading Animals thread in tech, those Retrofit hubs look ace on his white tuffs.
I have a set of badgered white tuffs in the garage, one concave rear and a pitted to fook front hub from a bad bleach job.
I would wager there are quite a few sets like that knocking about that could be brought back to life with the help of Retrofit hubs.
So bring back 'Retrofit' hubs. :coolsmiley:
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I wouldn't bring back a particular part but it would be nice to bring back the prices. If they stayed low it would filter out the profiteers and flippers and leave the hobby for the rest of us...
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I wouldn't bring back part a particular but it would be nice to bring back the prices. If they stayed low it would filter out the profiteers and flippers and leave the hobby for the rest of us...
x2 well said Chris :daumenhoch:
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I'd bring back Blockaboots to help the vertically challenged
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I'd bring back Blockaboots to help the vertically challenged
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:LolLolLolLol: i sadly remember that Ed lol
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Same here :LolLolLolLol:
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proper 24" Comp 3's
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I'd bring back Blockaboots to help the vertically challenged
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:LolLolLolLol: i sadly remember that Ed lol
Very hard to find these days Lenny ... a Sheffield collector has all the surviving NOS pairs :daumenhoch:
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I'd bring back Blockaboots to help the vertically challenged
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:LolLolLolLol: i sadly remember that Ed lol
Very hard to find these days Lenny ... a Sheffield collector has all the surviving NOS pairs :daumenhoch:
ive herd the is a collector of vertically challenged items in Sheffield too... someone called Spen. ;D
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Nope, I sold 'em to Griff :coolsmiley:
Made a 5,000% profit too, but he was desperate for them so he paid in cash :shocked:
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Black Skinwall Comp II's or Mongoose Snakebellies :smitten:
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Agree on the tyres, compIV's and VIII's need to be reborn to.
I disagree about DX pedals though. I like the look and feel of them but i've snapped a good half dozen of them, and it hurts so they can pish off forever. Spose they're ok if you're gentle, or a Spen.
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Shimano dx, think that's it. We won't have to wait long for vector bars to be available.
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Action Zone bars
:)
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Agree on the tyres, compIV's and VIII's need to be reborn to.
I disagree about DX pedals though. I like the look and feel of them but i've snapped a good half dozen of them, and it hurts so they can pish off forever. Spose they're ok if you're gentle, or Spen
Cruiser tyres! Going to need some of those before too long...
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tioga compact disk`s , the solid ones not the two peice jobbies and skyway hot seats
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Cheap skinwall freestyle tyres in many colours would be nice :daumenhoch:
Good shout Rich, much needed! :daumenhoch:
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Cheap skinwall freestyle tyres in many colours would be nice :daumenhoch:
Good shout Rich, much needed! :daumenhoch:
Yep I agree , although kenda still do there k55
panaracer copy's in different colours , it's just a bummer they only
seem to sell them in Australia :(
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(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk44/M5AT/Colourfcuk2000.jpg) (http://s277.photobucket.com/user/M5AT/media/Colourfcuk2000.jpg.html)
That's a cool pic. ;)
Where's that in the village. ???
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Corner of Chorlton & Richmond mate, where Mongolian BBQ used to be.
Fruity corner for a fruity bike. :daumenhoch:
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oakley O wings
action zone bars
mirage X bars
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Action Zone bars for me!
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add woody iston bars to the list ie the early ones
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Sod all 2 b honest :D cos this way we live the dream ::) If it was easy it would b like bitd but able in monetary means :welcome >:(
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Nothing ! Leave it as it is :daumenhoch:
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oakley O wings
action zone bars
mirage X bars
well the X bars are back
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oakley O wings
action zone bars
mirage X bars
well the X bars are back
And this thread..... :LolLolLolLol:
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I know I might dig deep and bring some more back :LolLolLolLol:
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It’s funny how your views change ....
no no no no ... NO more repop please ...EVER ....EVER!!!
I do believe they have been more harmful than good for our hobby ... and I do use and have many of them ...
the mythical parts are mythical because of their rarity ... as a purist these days less is more
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Thing is many folk said repops would lower the price of the originals. I personally think they’ve had absolutely no detrimental effect, issibly the opposite
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Thing is many folk said repops would lower the price of the originals. I personally think they’ve had absolutely no detrimental effect, issibly the opposite
I disagree ... with Haro rare parts are now selling for far less ( dominator Seats, flex fighters, OG f and fs and bars are all worth a lot less)
I think GT has escaped a lot of this Nick ...
Don’t get me wrong I’ve got my fair share of repop but I’ll always prefer (where possible) OG stuff.
With the Haro’s for example some OG framesets were up to £650 before the reissues now look at Patric struggling to sell his rare OG chrome beauty for £550.
The repop have brought in lots of newbies to the scene (good) but they’d rather buy a mint repop for £400 than a scratched OG frameset for £500.(bad) ...
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Want to know what one of the best things about repop parts are?
Well, for someone, like myself, who will use a repop part before parting with the cash for an OG part (which the price a lot of the time, just seems to be a made up number) on my bikes, means that my bikes do what I wanted them to do, when I started to build them. They look the part and in doing so, fire up a lot of memories for people when they see them.
It seems to me a lot of the time, that many people are craving that OG part in order to satisfy the purists and OSBMX hierarchy. Ok, if you’re seriously into collecting accolades in S&S events, then criteria set by judging panels must be met, so OG parts are essential. But IMHO, if you’re only building bikes to collect trophies, then you’re building for the wrong reasons. Yes, it’s nice to get a medal now and again (I know), but there’s people about, and I’ve seen them at MK, that really believe that they should scoop the lot with their vanity builds, and get really hacked off if they don’t win - YOU WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS DISAPPOINTMENT WITH A BIKE MADE UP OF REPOP PARTS.
Also, if you’re worried that a flood of repop parts into the scene is going to devalue your OG stuff, then maybe you’re on this hobby for the wrong reasons? If you’re sitting on OG stuff thinking that in a few years you can pay off your mortgage with say a Suntour stem, then you’re a fool. My 4 repop draped bikes aren’t worth a carrot, but I’m also not experiencing any anxiety over what they’ll be worth in years to come - YOU WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS STRESS WITH A BIKE MADE UP OF REPOP PARTS.
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Want to know what one of the best things about repop parts are?
Well, for someone, like myself, who will use a repop part before parting with the cash for an OG part (which the price a lot of the time, just seems to be a made up number) on my bikes, means that my bikes do what I wanted them to do, when I started to build them. They look the part and in doing so, fire up a lot of memories for people when they see them.
It seems to me a lot of the time, that many people are craving that OG part in order to satisfy the purists and OSBMX hierarchy. Ok, if you’re seriously into collecting accolades in S&S events, then criteria set by judging panels must be met, so OG parts are essential. But IMHO, if you’re only building bikes to collect trophies, then you’re building for the wrong reasons. Yes, it’s nice to get a medal now and again (I know), but there’s people about, and I’ve seen them at MK, that really believe that they should scoop the lot with their vanity builds, and get really hacked off if they don’t win - YOU WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS DISAPPOINTMENT WITH A BIKE MADE UP OF REPOP PARTS.
Also, if you’re worried that a flood of repop parts into the scene is going to devalue your OG stuff, then maybe you’re on this hobby for the wrong reasons? If you’re sitting on OG stuff thinking that in a few years you can pay off your mortgage with say a Suntour stem, then you’re a fool. My 4 repop draped bikes aren’t worth a carrot, but I’m also not experiencing any anxiety over what they’ll be worth in years to come - YOU WILL NEVER EXPERIENCE THIS STRESS WITH A BIKE MADE UP OF REPOP PARTS.
Some very wise words Dan ...
It’s not about making money for me but about the love of bmx ...
You’ve always mastered the art of that fine tightrope of mixing old and new parts seemlessly on your builds ...
Sadly most others have not! Lol ( you only have to look at the clown bike thread )
I also agree with your idea of vanity projects for some at the s and s ....
People who know me know I hate what I call the “revisionist views of old school bmx”... where expensive or non era correct parts are used because they are a means to show off or out do others ( Comp Pools are my biggest pet hate)
I wrote on FB only a few days ago that I’d rather half the collectors left the scene right now if it freed up parts to allow others to build even if it meant the value of my own bikes and parts halved.
My most favourite build ever was my cheapest .. my GS Burner .. my childhood bike ... I was lucky enough to get OG tyres for it ... would I have put repops on it .. yes but only if I couldn’t have found those originals...
Repop has its place for sure and in the case of tyres it’s been crucial for most of us who like to ride our bikes :daumenhoch:
Dan how do you feel about those Raleigh re-issues or the latest Haro Masters ?
They’re not for me but both have proved extremely popular?
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Dan how do you feel about those Raleigh re-issues or the latest Haro Masters ?
They’re not for me but both have proved extremely popular?
Raleigh have cashed in again Ant as they did in 2007, except this time they had to do a better job of it than the abortions they released back then, mainly because the scene is apparent now, it wasn’t so then, and also social media and forums provide accurate reference to what the original bikes looked like and what parts they came with so approaching the original part manufacturers who are also cashing in was more viable. If they released the ‘Curry’ Burner today, with its Tektro brakes etc, it wouldn’t sell.
The current AP and recent TAP’s IMHO, are ok I suppose, not for me, but I certainly would’nt turn my nose up at one of it was given to me. As I said, it’s a cashing in exercise by Raleigh, who can blame them, they just jumped on the bandwagon with everyone else. There’s nothing wrong with these bikes, it’s the coonts that bought them that were the wrong’uns. In an ideal world, Raleigh should have employed a vetting process to all potential buyers, a bit like dog rescue centers do when handing over a puppy, well perhaps not that stringent :LolLolLolLol:
It would have been nice to see FB flooded with pics of repop AP’s being ridden by Dad’s riding the with their kids and more importantly, loving them when in fact, it seems most were bought for flipping - did any of them sell for the flipped price btw?
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Profile horseshoe pedals.
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Repop parts vs OG is like an inflatable doll Vs a woman.
So.... OK for a rider :2funny: :LolLolLolLol:
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I have just read this thread for the first time and all I can think about is.....
Block a boots, block a boots, block block block a boots
They're in fashion today
I seem to remember watching it at primary school in the special hut that had a TV in it. I think it was part of a health related series for schools?
I do not have a problem with repop parts. I went to rad this year with a shopping list of wants (og stuff) and repop parts I knew would work just fine. I was super lucky at rad and found everything on my list, forgot to buy a Tourney caliper but never mind. The repop parts were a Nitto MX2 stem, still made by Nitto and looks the danglies. The other repop parts were tyres, now this is open to debate I know. I have built bikes with og used and nos tyres and to be honest I think it is a waste of time. Firstly I am loathe to ride them and secondly old rubber is bad rubber. I am a repop tyre convert, the comp II style tyres look great and I can ride them.
One issue that is very under-reported is that of fake parts, a direct result of demand for nos and the rise of repop; I do not think the two can be divorced. I would love to see Suntour parts come back, but that business left the quality end and went down market back in the day so it is hard to see how that could happen.
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