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Title: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Jazzchimp on January 22, 2016, 08:49 PM
When I started building around 2002, prices were pretty comparable with prices back in the day. I remember hesitating over a GT complete build for 150, NOS MX1000s were 30 any colour and GT bars around 30. Prices were cheap parts were plenty.

But by 2005/6 parts were drying up and builds took longer (took me a year to get a set of DB pads) although we did have RAD!

Now prices make my eyes water, but almost everyone is remanufacturing, grips, brakes, tyres even Hutch parts are a plenty.

so, are you finding builds easier now or back then? 
 
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: dancetothedrummersbeat on January 22, 2016, 08:58 PM
Bit of both. I for one am pleased with some of the re-issue stuff from Hutch, the Profile anniversary cranks, AM'E grips, Kashimax etc. These have made finishing builds much easier, and it also means that you're not riding round half pissed from pub to pub on your NOS beartraps. I'd say that over the past 4 years, the amount of decent parts at decent prices are really drying up. Have a search on ebay, and it seems like it's the same sellers listing either 1. absolute tat, or 2. decent ish parts, but BOTH at ridiculous prices. There is the odd item at a decent price, but very few bargains, or even moderately priced. I find that decent stuff can still be found on bmx museum if you're willing to trawl through the swap meet section, but then you have to hope that the seller ships to the uk, and there's also our old favourites customs & the post office handling charge to deal with....
I got back into this in 2009. Back then I was paying 30 (from Biagio) for a NOS in the packet suntour stem, and the same for a complete NOS boxed set of MX901's including levers, dated cables and cable clips. They weren't exactly pennies back then, but I didn't see the price inflation coming. What's the going rate now for a nice suntour stem that's been fitted and could have had many owners during it's lifetime? 80 or thereabouts?
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Jazzchimp on January 22, 2016, 09:12 PM
Having been away for a while I've lost touch with what stuff goes for. Starting to sound like my dad! :)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Jt on January 22, 2016, 09:20 PM
Ive got 5 bikes in my cellar covered in dust and 2 boxes of parts sat doing nothing.

About 4 sets of nice wheels too.

Don't know what they cost me, don't know what they are worth.

Come spring, I'm gonna wipe em all down and see what's what.

And build a torker.

Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: sparky on January 23, 2016, 01:59 PM
I got back into BMX back in 2004 and started to look for and building my first bike (Pro-Star) in 2005/6 and parts seemed readily available, although you might have had to wait a few weeks until that final item popped up, prices were more than acceptable.

Now it's a real struggle and what is around in mass is a lot of tat. The nice stuff commands big money so I'm glad I've had my fill. I love old-school anything but I also like my modern day comforts so I'm actually tempted to go for a newer BMX if i like the look of it.

I've a few bits I need to finish a Silver Streak but because I want as date correct as possible could take some time
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: griff on January 23, 2016, 03:13 PM
Not sure if I'm going to build anything else, happy with what I've got but last year I didn't have much trouble chucking my Curtis together thanks to lots of help from this place  :4_17_5:
Hoping to get out pedalling a bit more this year and see some ramps, didn't build them to just be ornaments!
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: bobbbbsy on January 23, 2016, 03:17 PM
Too many mongs got into the scene last few years .. and they are prepared to pay through the teeth because to them current prices ARE THE prices... f ing noobs.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Retrodan72 on January 23, 2016, 03:47 PM
For me, now is easier.

The bigger this hobby gets, the more the companies that were about in the 80's jump on the bandwagon churning out reproduction parts, the easier it gets for me to grab the parts I want, without paying through the roof for them.

Hardly anyone will approve of my ethos, but I don't care.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: dancetothedrummersbeat on January 23, 2016, 03:59 PM
Do it your way Dan. In my opinion you build some of the best bikes on here. They just look 'right'. building on a budget doesn't mean it looks crap. Kashimax seats/Hutch pedals/AM'E grips etc. Look essentially the same, with very slight differences to distinguish the original to the repro. Some of them aren't exactly cheap, but much cheaper than the originals, so all good  :daumenhoch:

My GJS (if it ever arrives) will be built using a mix of original & re-pop parts. Don't have the pockets or the heart to go with an all out OG build (as it will be a custom colour anyway)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: rodriguez on January 23, 2016, 04:16 PM
For me, now is easier.

The bigger this hobby gets, the more the companies that were about in the 80's jump on the bandwagon churning out reproduction parts, the easier it gets for me to grab the parts I want, without paying through the roof for them.

Hardly anyone will approve of my ethos, but I don't care.  :daumenhoch:

I do, difference between you and a lot of people is you're open about it.  :daumenhoch:

As long as they look like they should BITD that's what matters, build what you want, how you want according to what your pocket can afford.

I can remember looking at Alans site in around 2003 and thinking "I'm not paying that for a set of DC brakes that were shit BITD for that price" they were around 30, people were racing old school bikes using Pitbulls so I bought one of those instead and a set of ACS 860s   :idiot2:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: in2bmx on January 23, 2016, 04:28 PM
Harder...

 Finding those sweet desirable parts can be tricky and expensive .  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: meticulous on January 23, 2016, 04:34 PM
sooner walk round Oldham with a nail in my shoe than try to source all the correct bits to build another bike.... :-[
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: CustardLips on January 23, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dunno if it's easier or harder but I'd rather bide my time rather than pay through the nose for something just for the sake of having it "right now".  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: factory pilot on January 23, 2016, 05:28 PM
I guess you could consider me one of those "mongs"! :LolLolLolLol:
It wasn't that I liked paying stupid prices but what else are you going to do to make a mint factory spec replica ?
I got into the scene 5 or 6 years ago when prices were high and have remained so, if they've not gone even higher now! 
Even back then there seemed to be a lot of quality and NOS items kicking around.
If you waited and were patient most things would come up.
Rare parts then have become even rarer now.
I've managed over the years to get many excellent parts from  :radbmxsmilie: but how many of the old Radsters have stockpiles of nice or NOS parts just gathering dust just on the off chance of a future build?
I'm not judging but those parts gluts have stifled our scene and further put prices up.
My current build will probably be my last 'crazy' build not just because of the money but due to the scarcity of parts around.
It's been a real struggle to source the era correct mint or NOS parts.
I'm not against some good resto work but sometimes I just want a bike to be all original and untouched if you know what I mean ?
I'd love the  :radbmxsmilie: trades and sales pages to be booming just like in the old days ....
Back then it wasn't the cost that meant you lost out but the fact you had to be so quick to snatch items before someone else did ... It was kind of exciting to nab the parts you needed!
I'm not saying I won't build anymore bikes but this will be my last show worthy bike I think for all these reasons.

Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: factory pilot on January 23, 2016, 05:35 PM
Dunno if it's easier or harder but I'd rather bide my time rather than pay through the nose for something just for the sake of having it "right now".  :daumenhoch:

I'm not one of those people who pays through the nose to have it now ... I pay through the nose if I've been waiting 6 months and the rare thing finally comes along.
I'm not rich but sometimes if you want that rare part you have no choice if you tried every other avenue first  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Waxintaxin on January 23, 2016, 05:37 PM
Carl

It's loads harder and more expensive lol
Some parts are never going to come up again , shame but that's the way it is , if you can take your time then you can find most things but the good times of building what you fancied is well over

Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: factory pilot on January 23, 2016, 05:54 PM
Carl

It's loads harder and more expensive lol
Some parts are never going to come up again , shame but that's the way it is , if you can take your time then you can find most things but the good times of building what you fancied is well over

Totally agree mate :daumenhoch:
There are so many builds and replica bikes I'd love to do but when you look at the parts lists broken down there's usually 2 or 3 bits that are so rocking horse doo-doo that you're never gonna find 'em.. It's sad but very very true  :(
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Jazzchimp on January 23, 2016, 07:37 PM
See I'm a purist, if I am building it has to have NOS parts rather than repos. I completely respect those who do but I like the challenge. But I know like me you guys have rooms full of parts with no intention of selling, not for any other reason than if you do you know you'll never afford get them back.

Thing is I've stalled. Have probably 8 top end builds needing NOS parts which I sense I won't get finished because stuff isn't out there and when it appears I won't be ripped off by high the prices. What I have noticed is those high ticket item actually aren't selling to anyone - just people chancing their luck.

Maybe in another 5 years people will begin to sell off but who knows.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Retrodan72 on January 23, 2016, 07:46 PM
Maybe in another 5 years people will begin to sell off but who knows.

I think you're right mate, age may play a part in it for most. As much fun as it is, and as much as I enjoy seeing the lads, I have to ask 'Will I be doing this when I'm pushing 50?'. The answer is, probably not. The problem I have then is once all the nice stuff I've got is sold, I could potentially be stuck with a box of repop stuff that noone wants.

I doubt I'll sell everything though, may keep one to hang up in the man cave, when I turn it into a bar.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: rooski on January 23, 2016, 08:02 PM
When I started trying to find bits for my old bike, all that was available was old bike shops, car boots and free ads etc, was difficult to find ANYTHING!, then Alans started sellin o/s stuff , around 2000.

After that internet made it LOADS easier.

Then RAD.

Now its still easy, but more expensive!

You can always pm folk who you know have bits...... ;)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: CD17 on January 23, 2016, 08:30 PM
I think it's harder because the fun has gone out of it, I built everything I wanted to when it was fun, like others have said, the money making knobs got into the scene & took the fun out of it.
Title: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: brettypeeps on January 23, 2016, 08:45 PM
Overall I think you can knock a bike bike out in a few days if you are not to picky but the high end parts are definitely drying up. I have spent years searching for a few bits. Patients is a virtue and pockets at the moment need to be deep even for a budget build.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Waxintaxin on January 23, 2016, 09:40 PM
I do laugh

I sold so much high end stuff , if I was bitter I would shoot myself lol
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: sparky on January 24, 2016, 07:41 AM
One thing is for sure, my salary hasn't followed the inflation of prices of items. He's a few examples

2006 - I bought a survivor Leary (near complete) for 480.00 (you'd usually see them in the region or upto 550.00 or even 600, they now going in the region of 1,500+

2006 - Sugino 1pc, 15.00 for a NOS, now command 60.00, maybe 70.00 and I've even seen people pay more.

2006 - DB SR MP133 pedals, I was picking them up for 40/50 and that made me wince, now seeing them go for 450.00, as much as 600.00

Just some off my head examples

Ludicrous and I'm glad I'm not just getting into it. I'm not into repop, old school is old school but I appreciate why people go this route. :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Rombloke on January 25, 2016, 06:17 PM
i remember when all this was fields....

sorry wax, had to

Dave
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: retrogeezer on January 25, 2016, 06:41 PM
I remember waiting by the fence at a car boot sale late 90's because someone had locked a bike up that had ONE Skyway tuff on it!

At that time I hadn't seen a tuff wheel since 1985, the lad must have thought I was loopy but I got it though for a few quid. :)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: southern andy on January 25, 2016, 07:47 PM
It's harder, most of the desirable parts required are on people's completes now. These people are collectors and not dealers so on these completes they'll stay and fair play to those people.

Repop parts.........no thanks. Ok for a rider but not on a show bike or a stored complete ? Only my view I know.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: factory pilot on January 26, 2016, 08:19 AM
Totally agree re-pops are great for a rider but show bikes got to have OG parts on them!
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Rombloke on January 26, 2016, 07:30 PM
repro parts were topic of major controversies in the early days, aerospeeds being one of the main ones, but i guess after years of collectors collecting, its become a necessity

Dave
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: bmxmatt1974 on January 26, 2016, 10:38 PM
I remember one of my first ebay purchases was 2 unpainted streetbeat frame and forks for 40! If only I had kept them!! Due to getting what I wanted 10 plus years ago I dont bother buying much anymore, unless I am buying from carboot sales. So for me building was easier pre rad.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Rombloke on January 27, 2016, 04:34 PM

1983 haro freestyler frame and forks
black alloy hubbed tuffs
gt bars
dc mx brakeset
suntour stem
kashi aero
gt post
shimano sx
takagi opc

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/DSCF0023.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rombloke/media/DSCF0023.jpg.html)

how much......




100 quid....yep one hundred whole pounds.....bought out of the back of a geezers volvo estate....once packed in my car i left the scene in a cloud of rubber smoke, laughing hysterically all the way home on the mobile to billstup telling him ive had the buy of the century

Dave
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Rombloke on January 27, 2016, 04:36 PM
it was a little scruffy but you can polish a turd

(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v255/rombloke/generation1april013.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rombloke/media/generation1april013.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: factory pilot on January 27, 2016, 05:48 PM
Happy Days eh Dave .. I sure wish I'd got back into it in those early glory days ... It would have blown my mind!
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: Jazzchimp on January 27, 2016, 07:19 PM
Back then I bought my mint PK ripper with NOS boxed landing gear forks for 300 quid and you lot laughed at me!!

Muppets! :)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: john69 on March 30, 2016, 10:21 PM
In some ways it's easier to build bikes nowadays with chrome platers and powder coaters aplenty just the old spares aren't so aplenty sometimes
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: awkward on August 03, 2016, 04:12 AM
I don't care if parts are repop, I care more about how a bike looks and rides...you can have all the NOS OG parts in the world, still don't mean you can put a good looking bike together.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: E5_DCB on August 08, 2016, 05:32 PM
Im surprised how much prices have gone up in the last few years. My Goose BMX Bandits Replica took around 3 years to build and parts are just becoming harder to find so demand a higher price like anything old these days.
Im glad ive just hung onto some parts and not sold them. But everyone seems to be doing the same at the moment.
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: skinheadpaul on January 30, 2017, 10:33 PM
I got back in to bmx last year I have spent the last 15 building choppers and bobbers and rebuilding old panheads and iron heads  now that stuff has goon through the roof  so the bmx parts are ok priced and just as much fun .i love the chase of hunting for parts


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Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: bobbbbsy on February 01, 2017, 10:25 PM
Now .. 2 .5 pC cranks . Tap in bb bearings . No brakes !!
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: eloopnai on January 28, 2019, 07:01 PM
my first build was a mongoose in 2006
found all the parts i wanted easy and lots of  nos i remember paying 30 quid for a suntour stem now they are silly money
doing a build 13 years later and once again found nearly all the parts i needed  and i gotta agree havin repop parts hs made it a lot easier this time and going by todays prices a lot cheaper 
 :)
Title: Re: Is building bikes easier now or back then?
Post by: bob1984bmx on March 01, 2019, 07:04 PM
Easier now cuz i have the money, harder now because not all the parts exist new now, im waiting for OGK to remake the white Perigrine Masters  :smitten: