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Title: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on March 12, 2020, 07:15 PM
After what seems an eternity and a very nervous wait, relentlessly watching USPS tracking updates, my new beauty has arrived:

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Felt like a 7 year old about to start a game of pass the parcel all over again
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Fantastic to see someone packing a purchase super well
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on March 12, 2020, 07:22 PM
84 VDC Changa Long. Frame number 141 built in July 1984. Original chrome & decals:

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Plus Pro size bars and seat post
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Drop outs in relatively good condition
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on March 12, 2020, 08:35 PM
So, consider this the start of a resto thread, but guys I'm sorry it will be a slow one. I'm currently suffering an extremely painful slipped disc. It was as much as I could do to excitedly unwrap her today. Then after photos I had to give up, straight back to the yoga mat on the bedroom floor, which is where I've spent most of the last 24hours lying down, and where I'm now typing from.

Build wise, the current plan may  offend a few, but it's my build. So plan is to keep the original chrome, first give it a really good clean (where's Bendy when you need him) and then build a little freestyle inspired ride. Basically already have many of the parts amassed from my earlier abandoned Trix project. So will be shelving the monkey bars and vdc post and instead going with:

VDC woody's (restored)
ESP stem (with retro fit acs potts mod)
NOS Oakley 0.5's - may ultimately swap for B2's
NOS SST layback
NOS Black Akashi with allen guts
restored gen 1 hutch doughnut
restored Profile get 3's & spider
Horseshoes
NOS 44 CAM sprocket
Restored Izumi (GT) slotted chain (mine from BITD)
Restored ACS Tec3's
NOS silver MX1000's

Then, the parts to source/decide on:

Campy headset
Wheels, really not sure here, and would appreciate some thoughts. Will really want to run a coaster (always did BITD), so thinking either:
Black metal hub tuffs
Maybe mk2 graphite tuffs - possibly running a normal rear coaster tuff
Black Z's, or graphite Z's, or 48 Z's
or maybe some yet to be defined spokes - possibly pro class - BITD I had a period where even though all I cared about was freestyle I kept trying to build bikes as light as possible - not sure.

Tyres: currently have NOS ST's, but late 80's labels, so not really sure that I'll use them. Thinking either, earlier ST's, Panaracer freestyles, or maximisers. I guess I'll partly be driven by what I find.

Idea is chrome and black, but minimising the black components as much as possible, e.g. silver dc cables rather than the NOS 84' blacks I currently have.

As I say guys, sorry she'll be a slow one, but I'll give an update as soon as this back settles a bit. Surgeon consultation next Wednesday.  :-\
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Avro on March 12, 2020, 08:43 PM
Looking forward to be educated on all things freestyle.
Subbed.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Renegade on March 12, 2020, 09:00 PM
I think it will look sweet with a pair of Black Z's.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Mikku on March 12, 2020, 10:49 PM
Interested to see how this turns out with the freestyle slant. Love the old Changas, so subscribed for progress pics and updates. And +1 on the black Zs suggestion!  :daumenhoch:

Good luck with the build and hope the back gets better soon. :)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: bobafett on March 13, 2020, 04:21 AM
Nice. Sub'd  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: in2bmx on March 13, 2020, 09:25 AM
oooooo  Nice  :4_17_5:

Looking forward to seeing the updates  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 01:38 PM
So, going slow, due to missing surgery on the back. Was due in to have my slipped disc sorted only to receive an email 72 hours beforehand to be advised all non-critical surgery is postponed until further notice. So, still flat on my back, but trying to put a few hours into this build every few days, as and when the pain allows.

So first was to strip down the frame and forks and give it a good citric bath, to see what I am really facing with the original chrome:
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And here's what came off after 24 hours
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 01:45 PM
then a good soap down
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 01:52 PM
and overnight dry
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 01:55 PM
then on to the polishing
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many finger numbing hours later, and with a new Tange Levin headset fitted she was much cleaner
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 02:01 PM
but here is where my OCD takes a grip. I really want(ed) to build with survivor chrome and original decals, but whilst the finish looks good from 2m closer up she's not in great shape:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 02:11 PM
and the decals:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: CustardLips on April 12, 2020, 02:14 PM
Very nice... not bad at all for 35 year old chrome.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Picklez on April 12, 2020, 02:19 PM
So, I'd value your opinions, do I:

1. Build as is, all original but showing considerable signs of ageing?
2. Keep the original chrome but replace the decals?
2. Fresh chrome and decals?

All the parts going on are either NOS or restored to a high end finish. I'm really torn on this one, I really wanted to keep original, but I equally struggle to know whether I'll be content with the condition of the chrome and decals when completed.

In the short term the answer's easy, at the moment all reliable chromers seem to be shutdown due to the COVID situation. So, I plan to complete at least a 'draft' build up with the frame as-is, I'm just interested to see what the majority of other members think too.

More to follow tomorrow, I'll try to do a post every day or so until I run out of the current parts.

Keep safe Radsters  :4_17_5:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: CustardLips on April 12, 2020, 02:33 PM
As is for me.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: hotdog on April 12, 2020, 03:22 PM
Yeah,what Nick said. Leave it,build it up,see how she looks/feels and then if you're still hot happy with it then you can get it re-chromed at a later date.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: bobafett on April 12, 2020, 03:27 PM

Looks spot on as it is mate - nice clean up job  :coolsmiley:

:daumenhoch:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: BMX1973 on April 13, 2020, 02:45 PM
Leave it as is. Only original once. Will look great built up.  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: in2bmx on April 13, 2020, 06:21 PM
Looks nice as it is  8) I’d leave it

Looking forward to seeing the updates  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived
Post by: Avro on April 13, 2020, 06:36 PM
OG chrome and decals for me.
Look forward to the progress.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 14, 2020, 01:49 PM
Thanks guys, as with cable cutting, I kind of knew the answer before asking  :-[

So, a little update.

Todays parts:

An early Hutch seat clamp I picked up off of the bay about 6 years back. Originally finished in black but very faded and a few scratches. So first up was a quick dip in Ovenpride to remove the remainder of the anodise
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before a good buff up on the polishing wheel and refitting the hardware
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Next up a mint SST Command post, picked up off of the Museum around 7 years back. Cost a small fortune back then, dread to think what one would cost now  :shocked:
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And finally a NOS Feb 84 black Kashi Aero with reversed allen guts, man they were far more fiddly to flip over than the conventional bolted type
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 14, 2020, 01:59 PM
And then all fitted to the build

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That's all for today guys, next instalment within the next couple of days. Stay safe.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on April 14, 2020, 02:07 PM
Lookin good mate  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: stidds on April 14, 2020, 10:34 PM
It looks f'kin ace Pete, I love the original chrome and decals.

It looks like a great build, can't wait to see what you have planned for it.

Hope the back is doing ok mate.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on April 14, 2020, 10:37 PM
Mate, you do far more bike-building with a bad back than I do without! Top work! Love how the clamp turned out. :daumenhoch:

Fwiw, I agree with everyone else about going ahead with the frame and decals as is. Not just because I love survivor builds BUT if you ask me, both the frame and decals are in amazing condition for their age and don't need anything more than you've already done. Save your wonga and build that Changa! :D
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 27, 2020, 02:46 PM
So guys, sorry that the updates are dragging a bit, waiting on blooming snail mail deliveries recently.

Anyway, time for a little progress.

I'd been staring at it for days, and with the OCD one little thing that was bothering me was the fact that the Levin headset came with a black upper inner race, and I'm not sure if you'll see it from this photo but it was showing through on the 'built' finish, which was bugging me:
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Then, luckily a NOS silver one showed up on eBay for a song so I stripped the front end back down and swapped out the original:
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and whilst I was at it took the opportunity to fit the NOS dirt skirt I'd forgot to install originally:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 27, 2020, 02:52 PM
and then just applied a good coating of grease and finally reassembled
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 27, 2020, 02:54 PM
Which then finally allowed me to move on to some new parts.

First up the stem, a gen1 1983 ESP that I sourced from the museum a few years ago:
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Which I stripped and lightly polished
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before endeavouring to clean up the original hardware
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and then oven dried and finely oiled
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 27, 2020, 02:59 PM
before re-assembling and fitting a nos ACS potts mod that also had a little polish. Washer wise I dug out an alloy 'frame saver' washer from the parts box that works a treat:
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then finally fitted to the build:
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Ok, that's it for today guys. Thanks for checking in and the kind words to date. We'll move on to the brakes next. Keep safe.
 :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on April 27, 2020, 10:21 PM
Good work! Frame's now looking very bling - have you been polishing that too?
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on April 27, 2020, 11:02 PM
Good work! Frame's now looking very bling - have you been polishing that too?

Ha Ha, only most days with the old silver polish clothe. In reality I think it's just the pictures, close up and in person the OG chrome of the f&f still looks pretty aged and poor  :'(, but she's coming along nicely with all the shiny bits going on.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on April 28, 2020, 01:20 AM
Coming along nicely mate  :)

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Glynnyboy on April 28, 2020, 08:48 AM
Awesome , enjoyed reading that and looking forward to following. My minds already blown.
I think there’s only two bikes wouldn’t mind now, one of these and an early redline prostyler .
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 05, 2020, 04:45 PM
Time for a little update. Had been waiting for the current image posting issue to be resolved, but failing that I've moved over to imgbb for the meantime (will try to swap out the relevant images at a later date).

So, the brakes, well there's only one choice for me for this build, good old Dia Compe MX1000's. Most of these early parts on this build are actually coming from an earlier, abandoned project, which had a similar vision - chrome/silver and black, with minimal black. So I already had these in stock. But, when it comes to MX1000's particularly mint ones I struggle to accept paying the associated eBay etc. prices - typically many of us know, you'd be looking to be raped for somewhere north of 200-250 for a great pair. Now, I'm not alien to spending too much money on my hobby, god knows I've paid small fortunes for some parts over the years. But, I do find some prices, particularly for more run-of-the-mill, or more widely available parts just outrageous. So, the hunt was on, find some nice salvageable examples for a much more palatable price.

Then, over the course of about 3 months, I was lucky enough to (on separate occasions) pick up two nos '85 purple and white examples. All in for much less than £100 delivered.

(https://i.ibb.co/NYmnbfD/IMG-4099.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hgxp3Rw)
(https://i.ibb.co/V98pR2d/IMG-4103.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r0JfY4g)

Not wanting to needlessly ruin some lovely nos callipers I did offer them up for trade first. But, after weeks of no takers I bit the bullet and stripped them down ready for a bath in paint stripper:

(https://i.ibb.co/Bt0WS65/IMG-7450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xDx9Rgt)

Hunt down the right stuff and it can still work like it did BITD (fast & efficient, and burns like hell when you get it on your skin  :shocked:)

(https://i.ibb.co/QMrjKMZ/IMG-7911.jpg) (https://ibb.co/njz8LjT)

So, then I had two nice base metal examples

(https://i.ibb.co/pb2mmXy/IMG-4141.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WGnTTKt)
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and all that was subsequently needed was to head to the polishing wheel, and hey presto

(https://i.ibb.co/kxZXgL3/IMG-3883.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G0mRvZs)

Then, it was just a case of reassembly. But, as the front is destined to run a potts mod setup, and as I was lucky enough to find a nos Weimann potts adjuster the front was built back up with that adjuster rather than the original

(https://i.ibb.co/B4Tr8b6/IMG-1156.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bHN2pTv)
(https://i.ibb.co/PhV3LzF/IMG-9811.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WyRqhpG)

which also got a little treatment to the polishing wheel

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and then, finally assembled

(https://i.ibb.co/SRVckfS/IMG-6395.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t8Yz0LR)

And mounted up:

(https://i.ibb.co/4JBsc3j/IMG-5919.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CWxJqDn)

(https://i.ibb.co/ysStFVF/IMG-4883.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C02gKWK)

(https://i.ibb.co/2jxcRrB/IMG-5893.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D7hwmFn)

That's it for the moment, thanks as always, and I'll be talking 'bars in the next update.

TTFN  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on May 05, 2020, 06:25 PM

Nice update. Good job on the calipers. Looking very nice mate  :daumenhoch:

That's the same bike building stand I use - doubt the missus would be happy with it in the bedroom though  :shocked: :LolLolLolLol:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 05, 2020, 07:28 PM
Thanks, yes, those bike stands are good value for money. As for building in the bedroom, I didn't think I'd get away with it either but my wifey even went and got it out of the shed for me to get started - I've been 'floored' for longer than the lockdown with a slipped disc. I was due to go in for corrective surgery the week the whole health service stopped all non-covid biased work, so I'm stuck here waiting for normality to resume and to get this sorted. It's taken over a month of experimenting with various meds and dosage levels, but over the last week or so I've finally found a balance that's got me up and about for a good few hours a day, so the build continues...

Stay safe all.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on May 05, 2020, 07:50 PM
Thanks, yes, those bike stands are good value for money. As for building in the bedroom, I didn't think I'd get away with it either but my wifey even went and got it out of the shed for me to get started - I've been 'floored' for longer than the lockdown with a slipped disc. I was due to go in for corrective surgery the week the whole health service stopped all non-covid biased work, so I'm stuck here waiting for normality to resume and to get this sorted. It's taken over a month of experimenting with various meds and dosage levels, but over the last week or so I've finally found a balance that's got me up and about for a good few hours a day, so the build continues...

Stay safe all.

Bloody hell mate that's been a rough time for you. Glad you are up and about with a nice build to focus on  :daumenhoch:

Healing vibes  :radbmxsmilie:

Keep them updates coming  :popcorn:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Taipan on May 05, 2020, 10:05 PM
What stripper did you use fella? I've not found anything to touch those powder coated parts please do tell  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 05, 2020, 10:13 PM
What stripper did you use fella? I've not found anything to touch those powder coated parts please do tell  :daumenhoch:
(https://i.ibb.co/cJsGkZg/s-l1600.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xhrpXBC)

Was going to post the eBay link but it reports as not currently available. You can feel it trying to burn your skin through gloves. It's fun

I'll let you know if I see it listed again.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Taipan on May 05, 2020, 10:29 PM
cheers fella  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 05, 2020, 10:39 PM
Was thinking, not sure if it will do powdered parts, I've only used it for painted parts so far. I seem to recall some somewhere saying Synistrip might work on powder, though that may just be shat memory with age  :-\. However, if you're interested but don't want to risk spending on the stuff I used you could always ship me a part and I could try for you. Then if it works you know what to source. Up to you buddy, I'm easy.  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on May 05, 2020, 10:44 PM
Great update! Glad you've sorted out your meds too! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 14, 2020, 09:43 PM
So, probably time for a little more of an update, and as seems to be the theme with me and this build there's a little bit of a back story with this next instalment....

Having completed the callipers the next logical step in my mind is to run the cables, thus install the bars and levers. Having a little bit of a freestyle inspiration I'd love to try out some VDC freestyle bars on this build, but alas, none around, and at the moment I'm certain that if there were that I'd have to remortgage, sell the wife for a night to Robert Redford, or offer favours of a special kind to land a set. So, almost as good, and bloody nice none the less I'm settling on a set of second generation VDC Woody's, for now  ;).

As with most of my parts I picked these up a good few years ago from eBay, one of those opportunist wins. They were listed relatively benignly, with a title along the lines of "Old School BMX Bars", but even from the thumb nail it was relatively obvious what they were. Well I tracked the auction and sniped at the end for a price I was happy with. And here's how they looked when they arrived:

(https://i.ibb.co/f0TxrKn/IMG-1660.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C0SHVXM)
(https://i.ibb.co/NZGjtXX/IMG-1661.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qk2s7zz)

Then, later on, whilst doing a little reading, to help a Museum member out identifying his bars, I came across an old Rad thread where the member was also (much earlier) trying to identify the bars he had and that I'd now bought - check out the 12th post

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,23133.msg267383.html#msg267383

Anyway, back to the build. So, being a chrome based build obviously these would need a strip and some chroming magic. So, stripping was easy, and underneath were revealed a very nice straight set of bars:

(https://i.ibb.co/0cxQMwr/IMG-1668.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CzfW7rQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/y6Wv71X/IMG-1674a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T4mjdSk)

(https://i.ibb.co/W06j34G/IMG-1678.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nBbt0N6)

But here's where one of the challenges with progressing this build has arisen, trying to locate/source a reliable Chromers who's open for business at present  :-\. But after many attempts, phone calls, emails, and pm's I've finally managed to find someone, who's work has very recently been much admired and respected by most of us here, and who's kindly agreed to take on the task for me .... along with the cranks, pedal spindles, coaster arm, and a few other smalls for this and another build - I'm super stoked.

But, it means I can't currently continue the build in the order I would have naturally wanted (but that's no biggy), the bars and other bits went off to the man in question last week, and will most probably not be back with me for around 4-6 weeks, he's very busy.

So, wanting to continue, and before I stuck a postage stamp on them I mock fitted them, so that I could at least run the front cable etc.

Cable wise, I landed a pair of nos rear '84 clear Dia-Compes (the good lady thought it funny that the date stamp is 14th Feb 84, but I humour her as she's been amazingly tolerant with me at the mo)

(https://i.ibb.co/qYhnfzN/IMG-1361.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8gGBpJr)
(https://i.ibb.co/5LXkcxN/IMG-0407.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tDwzCP7)

Lever wise, I've a set of mint ACS locking Tech 3's that imo are perfect for this build

(https://i.ibb.co/mh5HbSt/IMG-7905.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vL4JVDm)

and, so here she is with those bars and lever temporarily mocked up and the cable threaded down through the potts mod

(https://i.ibb.co/rQG1zFg/IMG-7583.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NF6HJtX)

(https://i.ibb.co/3k9r2wY/IMG-7255.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7MWTxR)

(https://i.ibb.co/F3m894M/IMG-6190.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fFqrbd5)

Then down to the bottom end. Remember that nos weimann potts mod calliper adjuster, well it was the complete set up, including the cable ferrule etc. So, once the cable outer was trimmed to length that was fitted

(https://i.ibb.co/f2Hy5DG/IMG-8351.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKHG43F)

And then, using a set of mint 28.6mm og Dia-Compe cable clips the cable was routed to final install

(https://i.ibb.co/CJnm0W7/IMG-1041.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XyzjJVs)

(https://i.ibb.co/br2CMkK/IMG-4368.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D78vHZR)
(https://i.ibb.co/StsQMsR/IMG-8438.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F5xsyxg)

and here's how she looked before I removed and packaged the  bars off for chroming, can't wait for those to return, but keeping patient  :daumenhoch:

(https://i.ibb.co/txYg1Dx/IMG-8130.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWmK2pW)

Cable's now also been trimmed down and end nipple is on its way.

So, that's all for today, bit of a shame that the bars etc. weren't a permeant install part of the build at this time but I don't care, I'm just chuffed to bits to have found someone who's going to do a stunning job on them.

does mean though that progress will have to be managed going forward, to allow sufficient time for these to be given the treatment they  deserve.  :smitten:

So, next week, but (imo) equally exciting, I'll be introducing the wheels for the build....

Keep safe, stay happy (& calm), and as always thanks for reading.

Peace & Love, keep it  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on May 15, 2020, 05:08 AM

Great update.... much awesomeness  :coolsmiley:


Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 15, 2020, 10:37 PM
Not a fan of old bikes, but if I had to pick one it would probably be that.

I can tell it's a labour of love, you can't ask for more than that :)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: kalex on May 15, 2020, 11:02 PM
Looking good.

Regarding starchems syntrip, I can confirm that it removes powder coating as I've used it on a powdered F & F
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 21, 2020, 09:20 PM
Not my 'weekly update', but had to share this. Just had a 'teaser' from the chroming wizard, not sure of the emoji for blown-away, but I was:

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Not coming my way anytime soon as he's doing a fair few other bits for me as well, but super stoked none-the-less  :smitten:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on May 21, 2020, 09:46 PM
Sexy as fook them mate  :shocked: :smitten: explosion

So is that the same chromer Glynn used for his DP ?

Top drawer that - looks nice and "thin" full detail on the welds coming through - no "drippy" look to it..... very nice  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: brettypeeps on May 21, 2020, 10:08 PM
Love it when you see a good chrome job.  This is going to be a beauty  fistblump
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 21, 2020, 10:14 PM

So is that the same chromer Glynn used for his DP ?

Top drawer that - looks nice and "thin" full detail on the welds coming through - no "drippy" look to it..... very nice  :coolsmiley:

Sure is buddy. Super pleased, really didn't want that 'plastic' look, and he's delivered  :4_17_5:.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 21, 2020, 10:25 PM
Love it when you see a good chrome job.  This is going to be a beauty  fistblump

Thanks, much appreciated. He's doing the cranks too, attention to detail is top drawer. He's found a couple of minor 'pits' under the last owner's re-chrome job (which was peeling to a very minor extent around one of the weep holes), so is now copper plating, filling, then polishing back before finally giving them their new chrome. Can't wait to see them, but happy to wait given the quality of work. A great guy who's friendly, knows his stuff, & cares for your parts to boot, can't be bad.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on May 21, 2020, 11:46 PM
Love the cable guides on the forks, new to me but so cool. Shall we all just agree now you've got BOTM whenever she's finished  :LolLolLolLol:
Can't wait to see the wheels appear  :popcorn:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: BMX1973 on May 22, 2020, 12:26 PM
Looking great.  :coolsmiley:

Who was the Chromer?
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 22, 2020, 01:07 PM
Looking great.  :coolsmiley:

Who was the Chromer?

Thanks,

Same guy who did Glynn's Dp, member here called Jonnyb. Though he only does it in his spare time, he also has quite a backlog at the moment, and so isn't taking in any new work for a little while... I guess I got lucky with the time that I asked him.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 04:01 PM
Sorry, being lame on updates, now I'm up and about mobility wise my wonderfully tolerant good lady is expecting support, help, and chores doing  :idiot2:. Shouldn't grumble really, she's been amazing whilst I've tolerated 12 wks of24-7 immobility & pain.

Anyway, today's update is really more of a parts presentation than build update, for the reasons mentioned.

So (hoping the conventional image uploading works well), here's the current consideration for wheels for the build:
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NOS Zeds from Rainers. Now, I'm not 100% on these yet, but I'm trying to steer clear from my go-to choice for this build, which would be gen2 Skyway Graphites. Purely because whilst a very nice and natural choice for me (nearly always rode tuffs BITD), I wanted the build to have a predominantly chrome aesthetic,  and feel black tuffs would distract from that. So, next choice for me personally is Zeds. But, black again. So, I'm planning to progress with these at present, but may also offer up some chrome/silver rims later. If I ultimately decide on changing it up on the wheel front I'm thinking it would be similarly spec built silver Araya 7X  :-\.

Both wheels are going to be built with new DT Swiss Stainless steel spokes, and the as-supplied 12mm nipples are making way for 16mm options.
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Up at the front I've located a "never laced" Bullseye:
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But, due to the chrome black theme sourced a reproduction chrome-black decal to replace the og red one, don't shoot me.

On the rear I'm going to run a Suntour coaster:

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Tyre wise I'm having a little trouble at present. I'm obviously wanting to run freestyle tread pattern, and want black-tan finished period correct examples. But, all I've currently got in stock is later era (late 80's) CompST's. I know some may  think this too OCD, but it's not as harsh as "everything on this build has to be 84'" or similar, but within a 2-3 year window, and the ones I have are more like 88' onwards, or around that date frame. So, they'll be ok for now, but I won't be happy that the build's complete until I source something along the lines of earlier ST's (green/blue or yellow/red labels), Panaracer Freestyles, Maximisers, Early label GT freestyle, or something of that ilk, but man it's challenging, I've been scouring eBay & the Museum for months - don't do social media.

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 04:11 PM
The coaster was proving quite a challenge to source. It's not that they're overly rare, more a case of see loads when you don't need them, then when you do want one there's none of suitable condition around.

I was wanting a mint or easily salvageable one, and there just didn't seem to be any around for realistic money. There was one on eBay but the guy was selling it with a random front hub, and wanting 80+ for it. Condition wise it looked fine, but I just didn't want to weigh in to around ?90 when all I wanted was the Suntour.

So, after not seeing anything of certainty for a couple of months I took a plunge on one listed by a US guy on eBay, much better price, but a bit of a risk on whether restoration would be just a good clean, or strip & polish/rechrome requirement:
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Thankfully, after stripping it down and giving it a good clean it appeared the 'gamble' had paid off, not massive amounts of rechroming required:

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As I've got a nice female axle Bullseye on the front end I want to run the rear with trimmed down axles and Suntour domed axle nuts. So, to start with I'm reassembling the coaster devoid of much grease, just enough to get it together, but appreciating once I mock it up to the F&F I'll be marking off the final 'built' axle length & pulling it back apart to trim said axle to length before final assembly:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 04:21 PM
And, like Chilli Rinse, I actually get more pleasure sourcing NOS examples of the smaller parts of a build, so was able to reassemble with some lovely NOS Cone Nuts:
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Now, the whole 'idea' with the rear hub is a little homage to Woody Itson. I'm not mad enough to spend north of 5K on a beautiful Race Lace Coaster SST setup  :idiot2:, so the next best thing for me was to recreate earlier examples. In the Summer 84 edition of Freestylin magazine there's an article where the publication interviews Woody and Buff when reviewing the soon-to-be released Trickstar, and they do bike reviews of Woody and Buff's rides. In that review this is woody's rear hub:
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So, first off was to hunt down a pedalPower decal. But as Del's currently offline I had to resort to offer avenues. It actually proved relatively easy in the end, found one with that guy from OZ on the bay selling loads of repo stickers. So, after waiting over 2 months for it to arrive I finally got it in hand and offered it up to the hub, only to realise it was about 30% smaller than the one woddy would have run back in the day. It just didn't fill as much of the hub body as the one pictured above. So, thankfully, it's subsequently been sent off to Steve at esemdesign (good guy actually), who's kindly scaling it up by 39% for me.
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Coaster arm wise, well, that was one part of the hub that does need a rechrome, so I'm currently waiting for that to come back, but at least once I get the larger sticker (should be any day now) I'll at least be able to build the wheel.

Reading the above article it became apparent that Woody used std 14g spokes on the rear, but laced the hub race-lace, so I'll be doing likewise, but also fitted small washers to the head of the spokes to provide a wider interface surface area between spoke head and hub flange interface. So, next was to hunt down some suitable washers.

That proved more hassle than needed. 14g spokes are around 2mm in diameter, so I initially just ordered 50 M2 washers. When they arrived they fitted over the spoke body well, but at the head end just didn't sit right. So, next I order 50 more, but M3. When they arrived they fitted the head end fine, but just didn't look right (compared to the original mag image), they look too large at the hab-flange interface. So, take 3, I order 50 M2.5 washers, and thankfully they look about right  :crazy2:.
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: deeman on May 29, 2020, 04:53 PM
Hell Yea Pete, this is turning out awesome,,,,top parts choices as usual!  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 05:11 PM
Coaster arm wise, looking at the article it's obvious Woody mounted his in the less conventional position, on the upper side of the seat stay, rather than lower side of the chain stay. Stating it was to try and reduce induced stresses on the frame. Now I'm not confident of the validity of that logic, if you think about the forces and direction thereof when applying the 'brake', but for the sake of the build I'm planning to bend my coaster arm similarly and mount it the same.

The only thing I'll do differently is the anchor. Woody's used an Addicts seat clamp. But for two reasons I'm choosing not to, 1. I'm not an Addicks (plastic/composite) fan. But 2. I plan to try something a little different regards the seat post clamp fitting. I'll use the more conventional Dia Compe MX. But rather than padding out the over-size gap between the outer of the seat stay tube and inner circumference of the seat post clamp I plan too cut/engineer the inner diameter of the seat clamp to match the outer diameter of the seat stay as best as possible. And I could not bring myself to 'destroy' an og Addicks clamp. Or come to that matter even an OG Dia-Compe one.

 Taking this kind of approach will also allow me to engineer the coaster arm pick up area better too.

So, seat post clamp in question, a repo Dia-Compe MX twin bolt:
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And here it is after a first pass, to test the idea. I basically removed the 'new release' text these things have embossed on them, not to fool anyone that it's OG, just to fit the build theme better (most parts are og etc.), and then set about trimming down the inner edges of the mating faces of the two halves so that when mated back together the inner radial clearance between the two halves would be reduced to be approximately equal to the outer VDC seat stay tube diameter. Hopefully you get a better understanding of what I'm doing with a piccie. Here it is when i've shaved 1.5mm off of one end of each inner faces, doing so to give me an extra 3mm of clearance at one end to house the coaster arm pick up, whilst maintaining equal torsional force on the two seat clamp bolts when it's finally tightened up on the frame.

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Now I just need to trim an extra 1.5mm off of all four faces, to get the inner diameter to better match the outer diameter of the seat stay. But, man it takes some patience, a steady hand, and a decent Dremel.

But, again, for the moment I've paused with these final mods on this until I receive the coaster arm back from the chromer.

Cog wise, I'll either run with the og 16t one that came with the coaster, or the Bendix 14t one I have as a spare. Basically chain fitting will dictate that at a later date.
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But, that's probably more than enough waffle form me for one day, so I'll sign off for now. But be back with the front wheel build up soon, and by then maybe even all the bits in hand to do the rear wheel too.

Cheers guys & stay safe  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 05:17 PM
Hell Yea Pete, this is turning out awesome,,,,top parts choices as usual!  :daumenhoch:

Cheers Damo, good to see you around a little more lately bud  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on May 29, 2020, 05:32 PM
Great update mate.... Coming along very nicely and great attention to detail  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 05:41 PM
Great update mate.... Coming along very nicely and great attention to detail  :coolsmiley:

Thanks buddy. Forgot to add, found out the coaster is an April '83. Suntour date stamps are two letters:
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See "Japan Z-D" on the inner arm...
And found this on the web:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on May 29, 2020, 08:06 PM
This can't end ! Please take it slow... I love this build thread. A mention from a pro  fistblump  :LolLolLolLol: Those little bits add to the bigger picture of the build, this I think will be a masterpiece, full stop !  explosion
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on May 29, 2020, 08:25 PM
This can't end ! Please take it slow... I love this build thread. A mention from a pro  fistblump  :LolLolLolLol: Those little bits add to the bigger picture of the build, this I think will be a masterpiece, full stop !  explosion

Thanks Toby  :4_17_5:. Appreciated.

BTW, there's a few more 'fun' bits to come with this thread, and in the background (in parallel) the next build (& therefore thread) is in the planning (been sourcing the parts and thinking it through for a good few months now  :daumenhoch:).
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on May 29, 2020, 08:41 PM
This can't end ! Please take it slow... I love this build thread. A mention from a pro  fistblump  :LolLolLolLol: Those little bits add to the bigger picture of the build, this I think will be a masterpiece, full stop !  explosion

Thanks Toby  :4_17_5:. Appreciated.

BTW, there's a few more 'fun' bits to come with this thread, and in the background (in parallel) the next build (& therefore thread) is in the planning (been sourcing the parts and thinking it through for a good few months now  :daumenhoch:).

Good to hear Pete and not surprised one bit fistblump
Next build... you tease  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: deeman on May 30, 2020, 01:01 AM
Hell Yea Pete, this is turning out awesome,,,,top parts choices as usual!  :daumenhoch:

Cheers Damo, good to see you around a little more lately bud  :daumenhoch:

You can never quite get Rad out of your system! Great to see people still doing proper build threads like this one! If i am honest i have lost the love a little after last year. I can't justify building bikes any more, my car fetish is far greater and i don't have the funds for both at the moment! Maybe i will get back on it when my car is finished but for now i am happy looking at threads like this!
Building 84 bikes is actually bloody hard if trying to be 100 per cent correct!! Most of the best parts came out in 85!!! i acquired my 84 frame in early 85 used bitd so had some 85 parts on it then like the Haro tyres, the Skyway Hot Seat. DC 880 front caliper (which actually came out in 84 i have since found!)  i also had a M-Zone spinner so when i built it again in my 30's i succumbed a bit on the tyres and seat but made sure i had a pair of '84 DC 880's .... i also have chrome Woody bars and ACS tech 3 lockers on mine! The memories were more important than era correctness!
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on June 04, 2020, 11:25 AM
Amazing attention to detail aka OCD!! Only kidding Pete, I'm just jealous that I don't have your patience and/or skills, not to mention that gorgeous frame! Keep up the good work! :bow:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 06, 2020, 05:48 PM
Great work man. I rebuilt a coaster once. It really messed my head up  :LolLolLolLol: I was only about 10 at the time.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Cherrypicker on June 12, 2020, 08:33 PM
Loving this so far. Making me want to get mine built. Really wanting to see these wheels  :)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 08:01 PM
OK, so it's been a little while, therefore it's probably time for an update. A few little projects have kept me distracted, restoring three sets of pedals & a bit of 'fettling' on some other parts. All meant I've been dragging my heals on getting the wheels sorted, well woke today and thought blow it, now or never, for the front at least, as I'm still waiting for the pedalPower decal to come back from Esmedesigns for the rear Suntour hub.

So, here we go:

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All parts gathered and first cup of coffee. I used to use Stids guide on here to build a spoked rim (don't do many in all honesty, what with having a perversion for tuffs), but unfortunately all the pics in his stickie are now gone, so, anyone wanting a good straightforward alternate can find the GSport one, which is relatively straight forward and not failed me yet.

http://www.gsportbmx.co.uk/custom/wheel_build/wheels.html

Starting out with the hub, after removing the original red/chrome decal (you may remember, the plan's to replace it with a black/silver one) I gave it a little clean (as I won't have much access to it once the wheel's built).

All was ok other than I noticed three rather annoying imperfections in the main shell body. I was in two minds about leaving as is, thinking I could cover at least two of them again once the new sticker was applied:

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But after a gulp of coffee thought on it, and couldn't bring myself to leave them there.

So, after a big brave pill, out to the shed and hit the hub lightly with a little bit of experimental 600grit wet and dry (using high resin polish as a liquid), then to the polishing wheel. After seeing that the results were that the surface finish would be ok I went for it. 240, 600, 1200, then 2000grit wet & dry (using high resin polish as a liquid at each step). The result:
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 08:10 PM
Then the polishing wheel:

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And then the decal, and we can progress:

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So, the start of the process:

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Part way through:

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Any then finally laced, but not yet tensioned:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 08:24 PM
Then, after many laps round its the screwdriver, and then spoke nipple spanner, she was tensioned:

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So, on to tyre, tube and spoke nipple protector thingy:

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Tyres, as I've said previously, late 80's Comp ST's for now, but REALLY REALLY want some era correct tyres, earlier green-blue label Sts, Panaracer Freestyle, Hutch, Maximiser, Hutch, Haro, anything mint, that would have come out between 83 and 85. e.g.

https://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=828180

But for now these ST's will have to do as a stop gap. Do have something else coming this week, that is 85 compliant, and not from the above list, so when it arrives I'll show the difference and see what peop's think.

Anyway, rim tape fitted, and screwdriver trick really helps centralise these:

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Then to the tubes, thanks Damo for supplying these lovely Tioga Superlites, just the ticket:

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Then assembled ready for some air:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 08:36 PM
Now, they'll be a couple of minor updates on this front wheel in the coming days  :coolsmiley:, but for now all I wanted to do before offering it up to the build was sort a little of the 'dry rot' type white 'powder' from the tread. One of my pet hates is when sellers state 'Still has the release powder', it's NOT FICKING release powder you tw@t  :rant:. Ok Rant over  :LolLolLolLol:.

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Thanks to MrD

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,194969.msg1953799.html#msg1953799

Out came the hair dryer, part way through. Top half done, bottom not):

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And after a good 'blow dry' this is how she turned out:

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Then, finally, fitted up:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 08:46 PM
And a couple more:

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That's all for today guys, they'll be a small instalment update in the next couple of days (maybe two or three over the next wk or so), and then a little wait for the blooming pedalPower decal to arrive before I can get on with the rear wheel.

Stay safe, and as always thanks for taking a look  :radbmxsmilie:.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 14, 2020, 10:22 PM
That wheel looks spot on mate  fistblump 8)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on June 14, 2020, 10:25 PM
Yep, perfect! :bow:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 14, 2020, 11:15 PM
Thanks guys.

Also, a things of points I forgot to mention:

1. It's the first rim I've built without any herbal support (blinking look down). And what did I observe from that. Well firstly, the build process itself wasn't as enjoyable, but secondly, the satisfaction when looking at the rim as you finish tensioning the last couple of spokes was just as enjoyable as ever, and thirdly ... it's the truest wheel I've ever built - make from that what you will  ::).

2. and I really should have mentioned this (in the true spirit of this thread). I've made quite a few points throughout the course of the thread of getting some of the parts for this build at sensible prices, mainly because I picked quite a few of those parts up over years gone by.

Well, karma and all that life balance stuff came to pay me back with the front hub of the build. I knew I wanted a female threaded axle on the front end if I was going with spokes, so that brought it down to a couple of obvious choices, either Phil's or Bullseye's. But I didn't want to get rimmed for ?300-?500 for a pair, especially as I'd be hunting down a Suntour coaster for the rear. Then good luck seemed to strike, a good condition used Faded red 36hole Bullseye on the museum for something like $90 before shipping and the darn tax man. Missing the main axle shaft and bolts. But hey hoy not bad, and I thought i could get a replacement axle from the bay or similar. At the time there was those 'rebuild' kits for something like $100 for front and rear. So, a deal was struck for the hub, and it was on its way to me. On the same day (for a different project) I also bought a set of flights from a member on the museum. Both members posted each item USPS Priority within a day of each other. Well the flights arrived fine, but after a further 4 weeks no sign of the hub, and I was starting to get a little nervous. Then 5 weeks, and 6 weeks, and nothing. I looked into contacting USPS and unfortunately with international shipments you have to ask the sender to contact them. In the meantime I'd contacted the supplier of those rebuild kits, to see if by chance they'd consider splitting a set and selling me just the front axle. Understandably they weren't interested in doing that. So, watching the exchange rate I was gambling for a good rate before pulling the trigger on investing another $100. Then, overnight, the seller pulled the listing, feck. Anyway, about a week later a front 32 hole candidate, complete with the needed axle turned up on eBay, for somewhere around ?80. Nervously watching, 7 days later I pulled the trigger and landed it. So, tax man aside I was in around ?180 for the hub. Gulb, but given todays prices I could just about justify it to myself, and I knew it would be worth it, when restored and the wheel was finally built.

Fast forward to the 6 weeks later point in time, and the blooming hub not showing up. At this stage I'm losing faith. But, given the amount of trading I've been doing back and forth over the pond over the last couple of years it was only a law-of-averages thing. Word of note for all when buying-selling over seas, the insurance CAN be a savour. The only other time I've had anything 'lost' was a set of mint gen 4 Graphite Tuffs. I sold them to a great member on the museum, a real standup guy, but blinking UPS lost them in one of their hubs. Had a hell of a time getting it sorted, but thank goodness I bent over backwards and fully insured them. As I was eventually (after about 6 wks) able to get the buyer all of his money back and my shipping/insurance costs.

So anyway, the hub, I wrote it off as a bad luck story. I'd only taken out basic shipping insurance but at least I'd be able to get about $50 back. So, I now had one useless 32h hub, one lost faded red 36 hole, and still nothing for the build. So, partly in desperation, I went again. A really nice silver ft and rr 36hole set showed up on the Bay, the ones that provide the front that I've finally used for this build, and after a 7 day wait, tracking the listing, I finally got them for the original listing price, which, for anyone just buying one pair of Bullseyes was a relatively ok price given what the last few pairs have gone for in the past few weeks, but for me emptied my pockets of a further ?239.

So, moral of the story, you can always read peoples threads, and think, lucky so and so, when they go on about "picked this up for a good price..." etc., but in the long run the scales always usually balance out.

As for me, I'm well happy with how the build's coming together, I'm extremely lucky that I had the funds to spend, and spent them fully conscious of whether or not I could actually afford to, but yes, I'm in to this blooming front hub for somewhere north of ?400   :crazy2: :shocked: :uglystupid2:

And the part I could only laugh at, otherwise I'd have cried, The faded red hub turned up last week  :10_2_12:

So now I have a selection of spare Bullseye's:

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But basically, in the long run, I'll build up a mismatched mint silver 36 hole set and move them on, so should recoup my outlay eventually.

You've got to laugh at this game, it's the only thing that will keep you sane.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 15, 2020, 10:36 PM
So another little update.

The rear brake had been bugging me since I fitted it, specifically the amount of spindle showing on the rear of the brake bridge:

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 Just an issue with the standard length of the rear spindle coupled with a flat brake bridge. None the less something I didn't want to live with.

So, I hatched a plan to strip the calliper down and run a die up the full length of the spindle, and then cut it down to a much shorter length. Now, not wanting to permanently alter the standard finish of the og spindle on a NOS calliper I thought I'd trail this out on a repo spindle first. Then, if it proved out ok I'd repeat the effort on an old og one I had laying around, which I'd restore to good condition at the same time.

So, first things first, work out what thread size these spindles are finished with and buy a suitable die. After quite a bit of looking around I wasn't having a whole heap of luck, but some selling sites were pushing me towards concluding it was M6x1.0mm.

So, (first mistake) I took the plunge and bought a cheap tap and die set that included a M6x1 die. Now, if you look at these spindles they do have a little issue that means running a die up the full length may be a bit challenging. Namely the lower end of the spindle that isn't threaded normally is actually a little wider in diameter than the threaded section:

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But, I thought that with a bit of 'power' I'd probably be ok and would ultimately be able to cut the thread I was wanting, that was my second mistake.

We'll the die arrived, and after a little cautious trial it looked like the thread was indeed M6x1, as the die threaded on to the spindle with little resistance. So on we go, all started well, and as it reached the end of the normal threaded section it started to cut a new thread, great. But after about one extra turn things started to go wrong. Basically I continued to turn the die but it just kept spinning at the same point on the spindle without cutting any additional thread, i.e. it started to just spin round and round at the point where the shaft broadened. Worse still, the die was stuck there, I couldn't even unscrew it back off:

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Not deterred I thought, it's ok, I'll buy a better quality die, cut the first die off of the spindle, then go gently with the new one, and if it starts to give the same problem would stop and back it off before 'losing' a second die, and work out whether I could get over the increased diameter in the non-threaded section of the spindle some other way.

So, order die #2, and one that was of much better quality.

Well, that finally arrived and I got all excited again. But on offering that one up to the threaded section of the spindle it soon became obvious that the thread isn't actually M6x1, as after literally 2-3 turns of the new die it started to 'lock up'. So, much sole searching and a little pause.

Then after picking up a 'thread finder' and checking my considerations were confirmed. The thread is imperial, actually 1/4" by 26TPI, damn near to M6x1 but minutely different.

So, outlay for die number 3. That arrived, and as soon as I offered it up it was obvious that it was indeed the correct thread size, as it ran up and down the threaded section with no resistance at all.

So, job number one, cut the stuck M6x1 die off of the repo shaft, check that the threaded area under the stuck die would actually still be usable and then go again:

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After a little patience with the dremmel type tool one metric die removed:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 15, 2020, 10:44 PM
After that I ran the third (imperial) die up the spindle relatively gently. But, when it reached the non-threaded part it soon became clear it probably wasn't going to easily cut a new thread in the wider diameter section.

So, I'd needed a way of reducing the diameter slightly. Unsurprisingly I didn't have a lathe in my back pocket.

Not deterred I cobble a very pour mans version together:

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I know, a bit outrageous but worth a try.

Well, after a bit of trial and error it looked like I might be in luck.

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Admittedly not a perfect result, but maybe just enough. So, back to the die, and this time 'success'

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So, happy with the outcome I just repeated the effort on the spare og shaft I had. Here's the result, after completing the same process and after 'restoring' and polishing the spindle too:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 15, 2020, 10:48 PM
So, now just time to strip the rear calliper down and swap out the spindles:

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Then, wanting to keep the rear finished length as low profile as possible I wanted to see if I could find a nice little spacer that I could use rather than the conventional idea of using two interlocking half moon washers. Here eBay came up trumps:

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So, calliper with the replacement spindle fitted, and then finally mounted up:

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Much happier, though I've now realised I should have also cleaned the unlock nut up as well when I polished the second og spindle. I know I'll be doing that in the next day or two. OCD  :idiot2:


Ok, that's all for the moment.

Cheers guys.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: brettypeeps on June 15, 2020, 11:08 PM
This is one hell of a build  "wantit" "wantit"
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 17, 2020, 09:15 PM
Another pedantic little update.

Tonight I revisit the front wheel. On completion I wanted to do something a little cleaner around the male allen headed bolt area.

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Rather than the black bolt and flat washer I was thinking, polished bolts and silver load spread type washers, so off to eBay, and today the candidates arrived:

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for reference, the bolts are imperial, 3/8 by 26TPI, or 3/8 UNF in old english money.

The only issue is the load washer. Nearest metric size to 3/8 is M10, but unfortunately these load washers are only available up to M8 from places like eBay etc.

Not to worry. A bit of googling and it works out that an M8 cap head has a diameter range of between 13odd and 14odd mm, and a 3/8th cap head is  between 14odd and 16odd mm. And main shaft wise M8 is obviously 8mm and 3/8th is about 9.5mm. So, considering a M8 washer the clearance hole is around 8.5mm.
So, I ordered the M8's knowing I'd most probably have a bit of 'fettling' on my hands, and of course when offering them up that proved to be the case:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 17, 2020, 09:20 PM
No problem, using a 9.5mm drill bit easily sorted the centre whole of the washer out, then it was down to the cap head end. That would be easy with access to a mill, but like with the lathe that's not something I have  :(. So, home brew time again:

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And it worked quite well, about 5-10minutes on each washer & hey-presto (left 'before', right 'after'):
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and then fitted, which I'm much happier with:

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I may yet de-anodise and polish the load-spread washers, not sure at present  :-\.

Anyway, the og bolts & washers, saved for any potential future owner if/when the wheels ever get moved on  :daumenhoch:.

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That's all for tonight guys.

Thanks for the continued (appreciated) comments & feedback.

Stay  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 17, 2020, 09:54 PM

Nice little bit of re-engineering - looks the part  :coolsmiley:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on June 17, 2020, 11:54 PM
I love reading this thread - the amount of effort you're putting in is amazing - a real labour of love! :bow:

Comment of the day:- "You've got to laugh at this game, it's the only thing that will keep you sane." :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 18, 2020, 09:26 PM
So, another little update.

An alternate tyre option landed on the door matt today...

IRC Freestyles (nabbed off of eBay last week). Earliest date I can find for these is '85. Here's an ad from Nov 85 Freestylin:

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And here's the first one fitted:

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With the proverbial 'release powder'  :2funny:

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Then the old hairdryer treatment to eradicate all evidence of dried oils, sorry, release powder  :idiot2:.

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and finished:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 18, 2020, 09:31 PM
So, before (late 80's Comp Sts)

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and after (mid 80's onwards IRCs)

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And yes, I've got to do a little OCD work (turn the wheel around, straighten the valve stem up), but wanted to get the impression of the tyres fitted for tonight.

I wasn't really actually too sure that I'd overly like them when I bought them (took a bit of a punt really, out of desperation for era correctness), but seeing them restored and fitted I'm really quite liking them. To the point that I'll now only probably swap them out if either green-blue label ST's or Panaracer Freestyles come to market.

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That's all for tonight. Had a little bad news regards the delivery of the pedalPower decal, looks like there's going to be an undefined time delay with that, so it could really slow the build progress, particularly as Del's not up and running at the moment  :(. But hey-hoy, there really are far more important things to stress about in life than our toy bike hobbies.

Stay safe everyone.

 :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 18, 2020, 09:43 PM

I totally get the strive for era correctness but for me personally I'd stick with the later Comp ST's - they just look slicker and sexier on that wheel. Just my opnion though mate, the other tyres are nice and something a little different also  :daumenhoch:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 18, 2020, 10:00 PM
I know exactly what you mean. That is/was my battle when deciding on them. I adore the look of the ST's, as you say much sexier, just struggling with the fact that they date from around 88/89, somewhen like that. And that's why I'm quite desperately searching for a set of the earlier green-blue label ST's  :-\.

In honesty, until finding anything else I'll probably swap back and forth with the two choices I've got for quite a while  :LolLolLolLol:.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 19, 2020, 01:39 AM
Well..... if it helps...... when justifying later parts or none factory spec parts on builds for me, ESPECIALLY consumables or wear and tear replaceables like grips and tyres etc... I always look at it like.... if the bike had survived for 3 years and needed new tyres... well you know. At the end of the day if it looks right and feels right then it's right. It's not like you've got 90s or new school tyres on her. Looks good to me mate and if she's a keeper and tyres happen to pop up in the future then swap them when the chance arises... I've done that with shit loads of bikes in my collection, switched things out when better parts popped up..... this is all just my pennies worth though, but I've been building for 13 years now and I've learned to accept that some things just have to be what they will be....
 Until something pops up to change that !  >:D  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Bob_Acid on June 19, 2020, 03:32 PM
I quite like the IRC 👍
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 19, 2020, 05:03 PM
I quite like the IRC 👍

Thanks sir, and I actually agree. I was a little unsure when I went for the IRC's, but seeing them cleaned up I'm much happier with them.

In reality, it's probably going to go this route,
Well..... if it helps...... when justifying later parts or none factory spec parts on builds for me, ESPECIALLY consumables or wear and tear replaceables like grips and tyres etc... I always look at it like.... if the bike had survived for 3 years and needed new tyres... well you know. At the end of the day if it looks right and feels right then it's right. It's not like you've got 90s or new school tyres on her. Looks good to me mate and if she's a keeper and tyres happen to pop up in the future then swap them when the chance arises... I've done that with shit loads of bikes in my collection, switched things out when better parts popped up..... this is all just my pennies worth though, but I've been building for 13 years now and I've learned to accept that some things just have to be what they will be....
 Until something pops up to change that !  >:D  :daumenhoch:

and I agree with the 'age' sentiment of, if it was back in the day and I'd been riding this setup for a few years then it would have definitely ended up with the newer ST's on  :daumenhoch:

So, for now (unless something turns up on ebay, ending next week, and ends at a realistic price  :-X) then I'll stay with the IRCs on it for a little while at least , if for no other reason than to let them recover some natural shape from being stored flat on a shelf for 30 odd years, and may then swap back to the ST's  :-\. Time will tell, and it's no big stress either way.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: deeman on June 20, 2020, 03:03 AM
I quite like the IRC 👍

Me too, and the old 'release powder' came off a treat! You don't see them every day..... :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: NORTY40 on June 25, 2020, 12:17 PM
Loving this thread , top work mate  :4_17_5: :daumenhoch:

I think Mikku summed it up with the phrase ' a real labour of love '  ;) 8)

Quality build , looking forward to the next update
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 25, 2020, 11:15 PM
Cheers for the continued kind words guys, and sorry for lack of recent updates.

Been down in the depths of the bottom of the garden, in the shed (definitely wouldn't call it a man cave) fettling away at restoring 3 sets of pedals, one for this build, one for a legacy build (meaning I'll finally finish a build thread from about 4-5 years back  :shocked:), and the final set for the next build.

As a little distraction here's the 'before' and current 'after' images for the pedal cages for the next build, 8 hours effort so far:

Before:
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After:
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Only doing these first as I'm on a deadline to get them in to the anodisers for refinishing (in with a bunch of other stuff). My efforts probably won't be sufficient for their required finish, I just wanted to do the heavy lifting on removing all of the gouges, & see if the end stampings could be preserved. And biggest challenge, getting those b@st%rd screws out  :tickedoff:.

As for the pedals for the Changa, about 50% finished, so they'll make an appearance in the a couple of updates time.

I will be posting a legit update in the coming days. The pedalPower decal has landed, so I'll be building up the rear wheel soon and updating with images of that effort. Taken a 4 day weekend, so that I can assure at least one bike play day for myself  :daumenhoch:

But (as far as I'm concerned) the biggest news is: & there'll possibly be controversy, as there'll be a 'step 3' regards the tyres. No controversy for me, maybe just the opinions of some of us  :LolLolLolLol:. That's because a few minutes ago I went to battle on eBay, and came out victorious:

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Stoked  :smitten:

That's all for now though guys. I'll probably post a proper update Monday. Stay safe, enjoy the weather, & keep it  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on June 25, 2020, 11:42 PM
Love the finish on those pedals!! So you're going to re-anodised them black?

Had to literally laugh out loud at the latest tyre news! Will be interested to see what they look like mounted. Fwiw, I liked the chunkier looking tread of the IRCs but have no idea how that would translate to riding.

Looking forward to the next update!! :popcorn:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 25, 2020, 11:52 PM
Glad to deliver a chuckle, must admit I never envisaged this much of a palaver over the tyres, and I'm actually liking the IRC's, just always wanted to furnish a build of this era (would have originally been my Trix, till I let that go) with either the green-blue labelled ST's or these panaracers. So, whilst it's only been a few month hunt for this particular build, it's actually been one of those "on my radar" kind of background searches for a few years now.

And re the IRC's, (and this may be getting a bit weird  :-\). Woke last Sunday thinking "ah, paradise, nestled between two beauties..." as Looked right and saw the gorgeous Mrs Picklez and left and saw...
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And yes, she would kill me if I also posted an image of the view that was to the right hand side :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 26, 2020, 04:49 AM
Great update Pete..... 3 sets of tyres though mate.... you're worse than me  :LolLolLolLol:

Oh and.....

I'll finally finish a build thread from about 4-5 years back

fook all wrong with that mate trust me ::) :whistle: :-[ :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 27, 2020, 11:52 AM
Can't wait to see that back wheel  :popcorn:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 28, 2020, 12:44 AM
man it's been a busy day, pedals, brakes, hubs, wheels....

(and house work & gardening  :()

Just put the 'spanners' down:
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Proper update coming  :popcorn:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 29, 2020, 04:08 AM

 Proper update coming



Ready  :popcorn:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 08:57 PM
So, I've had an awesome 4-day long b'day weekend. The pressie I gave myself, lots of BMX time, not riding as I'm not allowed to for now so instead plenty of resto work. Most of it was spent getting parts prepped/ready for the next build  :idiot2:, but I did at least carve out some time for the rear wheel of my lovely Changa.

I'm sure most of you remember but for those that don't, I'm building the rear up as a little homage to how Woody ran his rear wheels pre-SST hub days.

Basically, with a pedalPower reworked Suntour coaster, 4-cross race laced pattern with 14g spokes and small washers fitted at the spoke heads to give a little extra surface contact area between spoke head and hub flange, then finally fitted with a reversed (& re-bent) coaster arm so that it mounted to the upper side of the seat post stay.
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So, here's the parts gathered ready for the start of a therapeutic few hours:

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DT Swiss Stainless 14g spokes and M2.5 Stainless washers

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Washers fitted and pedalPower decal applied to hub. (Picked the decal up from that Australian eBay seller, but when it arrived it was too small. So, with Del being offline at present I used a guy from Ebay to use the original as 'artwork' and resize it, a seller who sells decals but also offers a 'custom' service - wasn't cheap, but turn around time was very good)

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Then, after an hour or so, and a few vino's Saturday night was passing by and the wheel was starting to take shape

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:04 PM
Then finally finished  :smitten:

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And a close up of the hub, notice the washers, the race lace 4x pattern - proved quite a mission if I'm honest, either that or it was the 6 glasses of vino I consumed whilst building it  :crazy2:.

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(The observant amongst us may notice a lack of Coaster arm and cog. The arm's still with the chromer, so will be added in an upcoming update. As for the sprocket, final gearing choice will also be discussed in an upcoming update, and will basically depend on final chain length. I've got something special (to me at least) in mind for the chain, but it will be the length it will be, so once the cranks and chainring etc. are fitted I can gauge whether I can run a 14 & 16t rear cog with the finite chain length I'll have. So for now the wheel will be offered up to the build minus the cog).

Then it was time for the rim tape and tube (Tioga Superlite from our own Damo  :daumenhoch:) and tyre (the matching IRC for a few days  ;))
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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:07 PM
and et voila

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With the typical dry powder

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So, no surprises hear, out with the hair dryer (at half-past midnight, it's amazing what you can get away with when the clock rolls over to your b'day day  :LolLolLolLol:)

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:23 PM
And then finally fitted to the build

(https://i.ibb.co/rysZhMm/IMG-9345-1c.jpg)

One thing I failed to mention earlier was that, prior to commencing the wheel build I did quite a few 'offer ups' and 'measures' of the hub in the frame, so that I could cut the axles down in length before I started, so that when finished and fitted I could have the wheel fitted with virtually flush finish axle length to wheel nut outers. (Ultimately I'll be swapping the current wheel nuts out, but only when I locate some 24tpi Suntour's or Tuf Neck's)

(https://i.ibb.co/RNhRsfB/IMG-9346-2c.jpg)

Then a few of her outside in the sunlight the following day

(https://i.ibb.co/jLrb9FG/IMG-9349-3c.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/B6B5WY6/IMG-9352-4c.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/gSsSWJP/IMG-9357-5c.jpg)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:28 PM
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Then, over the same few days I also made a couple of extra minor alterations.

Firstly those load spreading washers on the front hub, the silver anodise was bugging me, felt those washers would look loads better on this build if they were polished. So out came the oven pride and off we went.

One stripped, one prepped for polish

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and then polished & re-fitted

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And that rear brake nut & washer. Yep, removed both of those and gave them a quick wipe over the polishing wheel too

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:33 PM
And then, possibly a little controversial  :-\, I fitted a nos dia-compe recessed nut to the front brake (I much prefer the flush finish look these give, & it's an early freestyle inspired build as I would have ran it BITD if I'd been lucky enough to own one back then)

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and then finally (for now) these turned up today

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but I'll hold those back until the next update, probably later this week once the Panaracer's have arrived, been cleaned, and fitted.

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So, in typical sign-off fashion, that's all for now guys.  :daumenhoch:

 :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on June 29, 2020, 09:45 PM
Brilliant stuff Pete, and am I right in wishing you a belated Happy Birthday?? :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on June 29, 2020, 09:49 PM
Brilliant stuff Pete, and am I right in wishing you a belated Happy Birthday?? :daumenhoch:

 :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:

Yes Mick, thanks sir  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on June 30, 2020, 02:22 PM

Top stuff. Coming together really nicely Pete. Great attention to detail again. Glad you had a nice birthday mate  ;)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Cherrypicker on July 02, 2020, 02:18 PM
Inspiring mate, absolutely blown away by this thread  fistblump
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Midschoolfool on July 02, 2020, 04:27 PM
I don't own one chrome bike. /sad panda.

I need one now  :slayer:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Ady on July 02, 2020, 05:44 PM
Just loving this the attention to detail amazing.
How are your fingers after building x4 cross pattern especially with heavy gauge spokes.. (been there still aching till this day  :D)
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on July 02, 2020, 06:37 PM
Thanks guys  :4_17_5:

How are your fingers after building x4 cross pattern especially with heavy gauge spokes.. (been there still aching till this day  :D)

LOL, not too bad, but bending spokes was a bit 'hold your breath'.

And not as bad as they are right now. Panaracers arrived. Covered in years of dust & grime, note to all: NOS does not necessarily equal mint!

Anyway, hit them with cleaner and a good scrub before the hair dryer treatment - did this before my good lady arrived home, bathroom didn't look pretty before a good wipe round to hide the evidence. Only trouble is I had to confess we now need a new tyre restoring brush, something she advised a can be bought from all good chemist shops, more commonly known as a 'Nail brush'  :-\

Anyway, update soon...
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on July 03, 2020, 10:32 PM
Third & final tyre saga, honest.

The Panaracers finally arrived yesterday. Very happy to take delivery but man it looked like there was quite a bit of dried oil residue in the tread area. Working from home, so when they arrived I unwrapped them but had to wait until lunchtime to hit them with the hairdryer, to see how easy they'd clean up. Unfortunately the outcome wasn't as straightforward as with the earlier ST's or IRC's, as it transpired that the residue build up was a combination of dried oils but also years of dust and cack ingrained in the the tread recesses.

Pictures don't show the severity of this very well but they're all I took:

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So this time I hit them with some bathroom type cleaner and the nail brush

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Then the hair dryer, (again pictures don't show it too well) the result was, one tyre came up very nice and clean (top in both pics) but the other still had quite a bit of evidence of residue (bottom in both pics)

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on July 03, 2020, 10:37 PM
So, a little risky but decided to try hitting the less clean one with some 'back-to-black' type bumper restorer. No pictures, but basically went around the whole of the treaded area applying it very carefully with an old toothbrush & then let it dry over night.

The result, darn pleasing:

The one that came out clean with scrubbing and hair drier

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The one that I back-to-black-ed

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And a final fitted picture, with RadKap's too:

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Finally, moving forward on the next update, though I'm having to slow a little due to waiting on the chromer etc. Still a few little bits to share in the coming updates, to keep things dribbling along in the meantime.

Stay safe & enjoy the weekend  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on July 04, 2020, 02:41 AM

Nice resto skills Pete.... tyres look awesome mate  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: deeman on July 05, 2020, 01:06 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Old-BMX-stamped-Tuff-Neck-trick-nuts-24-tpi/174331265703?hash=item2896f402a7:g:1XAAAOSwouxe77vq

 :-\
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on July 19, 2020, 12:49 AM
Hey guys,

Hope you're all doing ok. Been a little slack on the build front lately, couple of reasons really. Firstly, against doctors, consultant's, and Physio's advice (I basically said f-it) I've been out for some gentle cross-country mountain bike rides each day this week. It's been amazing to get back on a bike again, I feel fantastic. Yes the back's giving me a little trouble, but I feel alive again, so imho worth every twinge (as long as things don't go completely Pete Tong and I end up have to tell all those medical lot what I've been up to  :LolLolLolLol:). Been getting in about 10-12km per day, so all good, but meant my build focus has been a little off target.

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Secondly, yes, I've a few build bits to fettle, but in truth I'm waiting for some big-ish items to come back from the chromers; bars, cranks, etc. On that note, received another little teaser from the chroming magician tonight that I thought I'd share with you all, as they had me drooling  :smitten::

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So, sorry, not a proper update, but felt it would be good to share those pics. I'll get my act together soon and get a proper update sorted.

Hope you're all staying safe.

Stay  :radbmxsmilie:

Pete  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Midschoolfool on July 19, 2020, 05:47 PM
Beautiful. I am incredibly impressed ! not so much by the bike but the love and devotion and attention to detail (sorry man, won't like I don't like old bikes).

Love the little touches like the DC bolt etc. BITD we were skint so I have fitted many rear brakes to forks. It deffo looks so much cleaner, and nothing to break your toe nail when doing foot jams :D

Really is lovely to see someone enjoying something so much ! you can't put a price on those feels.  fistblump
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on July 23, 2020, 10:26 PM

Profiles lookin sexy there Pete  :coolsmiley:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: NORTY40 on July 24, 2020, 11:45 AM
Great thread this , loving your attention to detail and them cranks look bloody lovely  :smitten:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 13, 2020, 04:04 PM
By no means an update, but just a little teaser. I've just returned home from hospital, for long awaited back surgery. On getting home I walked in to he bedroom to one thing I'd forgot, lightly fitted parts, received back from the chromers & gently bolted on to the build just before I left... A site that made me smile

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Full updates will resume (with my normal waffle) once I'm allowed wield some tools again  :'(

And if you could all pretend there's no vdc freestyle bars on ebay at the moment, and thus stop bidding them up I'd be even happier  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on September 13, 2020, 06:30 PM
Good luck on the bars, hope you have better luck than I did on the Cobras.
Have a speedy recovery mate  fistblump
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on September 13, 2020, 11:46 PM
Get well soon Pete !

Build is coming together very nicely indeed mate  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 20, 2020, 01:43 PM
So, it feels like it's been an absolute age since I've provided a proper ?build? update. Partly due to distractions ? weather, family, life, etc., partly due to waiting for parts to come back from the chromers, and partly for health reasons ? as many know, I've been suffering a herniated disc, which thankfully was finally operated on last Saturday.

So, whilst I'm not meant to be doing anything but recover at present, I finally felt good enough to spend a day on the bikes et al yesterday.

First job (and only really mentioning as I wanted to share the following pic) was to get the bike out of the bedroom. My wife's been a superstar this year, not only tolerating a build in the bedroom, but also with helping out on the build when I was struggling with some of the immobility etc. Anyway, job one, clean my office so that I could move the build down there?

(https://i.ibb.co/zWM8DTQ/import1.jpg)

Then relocate the changa down to a suitably prepared space

(https://i.ibb.co/4Y2z8L7/import2.jpg)

Then, with parts back from the chromers I could once again think of moving this build along. So, as a starter, the drivetrain?

(https://i.ibb.co/1dBq4X2/import3.jpg)

Jonathan, aka ?ButtsBikeShop? handled all my chroming requirements & did a great job  :bow:

First up a set of Profile 177mm Gen 3-A's. I picked these up of US eBay a few years back, on the surface they looked great, but when they landed they had a bit of an issue with the chrome, or more specifically the integrity of some re-chrome earlier in their life. Basically, a couple of areas around the pedal bosses where the chrome was starting to lift.

(https://i.ibb.co/hdRMpvn/pic2-1.jpg)

So, job number 1, strip

(https://i.ibb.co/HHMG3bL/pic3-1.jpg)


Then on inspection a couple of minor surface issues were found (small pinholes that would have left the new chrome looking shat)

(https://i.ibb.co/Cbg49yh/pic4-1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/L99zhTT/pic5-1.jpg)

So, before any chroming work could commence first they received a layer of copper plating and subsequent prepping to get us back to a suitable smooth surface to apply the chrome

(https://i.ibb.co/p13K2DS/pic1-2.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/vhQn17K/pic2-2.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/k0tGW04/pic3-2.jpg)

And then the finished article  :smitten:

(https://i.ibb.co/PWnt8gC/import4.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/NKkLkwZ/import5.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/YLyvrbt/import1-1.jpg)

And as for replacement decals. Well the only real option is reproduction, but it took a little work. Most who re-sticker gen 3's actually use the wrong decals. You can see so many come up for sale that have the earlier box crank decals and they don't look great. Box cranks ones are basically a rounded oblong type shame, whereas proper gen3's are actually a slight teardrop shape. Then there's the colourway. AS we all know these decals are typically blue-red on a chrome foil. I was sort of ok with that, but in reality, really wanting to keep to as much chrome and black as possible. So I hit a compromise and went for the Black-Red on chrome foil. But went for some from an Indonesian eBayer, as the print detail was of a much higher resolution than some you see on eBay from our neck-of-the-woods (admittedly the edging isn't that good on the ones I've ended up with, but the font etc. is lovely and crisp).

(https://i.ibb.co/BVfGHBH/import2-1.jpg)

Then fitted

(https://i.ibb.co/MsBYwY9/import3-1.jpg)

Spider wise, when I originally bought the cranks they came with a repo spider. It took a lot of looking, and isn't ideal, but I finally landed a very good condition OG one. Only unfortunate part about it is that the previous owner had decided to chrome it at some point earlier in its life. Doesn't look horrendous, would have just rather the OG finish. Still, fits the build, and if a nice mint OG finish one ever turns up I can decide whether to swap it out then

(https://i.ibb.co/ZXGY95d/import3-1a.jpg)

Then the spider, one from the good lady here, under the Christmas tree this year was a NOS 44t Silver CAM chain ring, so, on she goes

(https://i.ibb.co/MhQdqLP/import3-1i.jpg)

Bolting to the spider by way of a set of NOS Sugino bolts

(https://i.ibb.co/YRNgFN0/import4-1.jpg)

And all mounting to some unknown make nice and clean bottom bracket

(https://i.ibb.co/ydx4jNt/import5-1.jpg)

So, there's the parts, let fitting commence, with my homebrew headset & bottom bracket fitting tool ? no more need for hammers and wooden blocks

(https://i.ibb.co/wdNL8sJ/import2-3.jpg)

And finished (nice and easy)

(https://i.ibb.co/gdBfffv/import2-4.jpg)

Then all fitted up

(https://i.ibb.co/0mFSBv4/import2-5.jpg)

So, that's it for today. Feels great ?being back in the saddle?, and more will follow soon.

Little one on the pedals next time out.

Stay Rad guys  :radbmxsmilie:.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Chilli Rinse on September 20, 2020, 02:10 PM
Nice update. That set up looks the biz  fistblump glad you're back on the tools  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on September 21, 2020, 11:15 PM

Nice drivetrain Pete  :coolsmiley:

Good to hear that you are up and about and cracking on with the build - always good to get an update on this one..... more please  :popcorn:

 :daumenhoch:

Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Monk_Wally_Honk on September 22, 2020, 06:53 AM
Wow, I haven't been on here for ages, I need to get up to speed again. That is a total beauty.
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Mikku on September 25, 2020, 12:36 PM

Nice drivetrain Pete  :coolsmiley:

Good to hear that you are up and about and cracking on with the build - always good to get an update on this one..... more please  :popcorn:

 :daumenhoch:

+1! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 29, 2020, 08:14 PM
So, as promised, this update deals with the pedals. I don't think there's many surprises here, I've gone with my Profile Horseshoes.

I was lucky enough to pick these up from Adam (Akgoff) about 5-6 years ago, just before he decided to sell up all his builds and parts. He?d sourced these from one of his contacts in Aus?, struck the deal up and was having them shipped over. He and I used to chat from time to time, basically selling each other the odd part to help builds along. He?d identified these for his next build, but at the last minute canned his plans for that, and as he knew I was also in the market for some, kindly offered them to me at what they?d cost him. It took be all of a few seconds to pull the trigger, and a few weeks later they landed:

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Since then they've basically sat on the shelf, waiting for the right build, I even nearly sold them on a couple of occasions, more on that in a minute.

Anyway, they were in relatively good condition, looking quite mint from a couple of metres away. But, when you inspect them a bit closer you start to note quite a few age related dents and knicks, particularly on the side walls, ends, as well as (to a lesser extent) the main foot plate areas:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 29, 2020, 08:18 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/HqdsBPW/Pic6.jpg)

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Then, there was also a question regards the authenticity of the spindles. I once listed these pedals for sale on the Museum. Well, that caused all the aficionados to come out of the woodwork, and caused quite a few comments, mainly to do with the fact that the spindles didn't look original. It's widely accepted that Profile originally only sold horseshoes with black oxide spindles, and the ones on mine are chrome. Some thought they were Hutch spindles, others were unsure, but most did not believe them OG. Not perturbed, homework was required. When comparing the shape of mine to Hutch bear trap, Crupi, JP, Primo, and others the shape just did not match any, mine did however more closely represent the shape of the original profile version, just in the wrong finish. So, not knowing what had happened over the years with regards this aspect of the pedals, whether a previous owner had simply chromed the original spindles or whether they?d fitted something aftermarket I had yet to identify, the next step was to pull the spindles. On doing so, and inspecting, a 'most-probable? answer resulted.

It looks like a previous owner (for whatever reason) most probably did actually swap out the original spindles with Hutch spindles. By default, these would not have fitted, so, it appears they subsequently had them machined down to the required cross-section profile, see the following picture, specifically the area of shafts where bearings locate. Quite poorly finished lathe marks are evident. Possibly a previous owner wanted to swap the OG spindles from 1/2inch to 9/16th's, and unable to find the right spindles, so reworked Hutch ones  :-\

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Either way, this was enough of an inquisition for my liking, and happy that I?d found a plausible answer, just had to formulate a plan to manage this little issue. Simple, I wasn't going to spend an eternity hunting for OG horseshoe spindles, although I have located a source recently, I simply decided that the best remedial was to strip the chrome off of the current ones and have them black oxide?d. Done:

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Now, back to all the dents and knicks in the sides and on the platforms. Well, my OCD wasn't going to be enable me to fit them to the VDC as-was. So, brave pants on and big balls located, I decided to try tackle these imperfections by way of a small resto effort. So, job number one, out with the file:

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 29, 2020, 08:23 PM
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Then, after recovering from that nerve-racker it was a downhill journey from there. First the 180 grit:

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Then through the grits, 320, 600, 1200, and then finally the 2000grit (& some 20 hours later)

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 29, 2020, 08:26 PM
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Happy with that, all that remained was to refit the freshly finished spindles

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Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 29, 2020, 08:28 PM
And bolt them up to the build

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That's all for now, chain etc. next time out.

Thanks for reading guys. Keep it  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: hotdog on September 29, 2020, 10:28 PM
Lookin' super-classy!
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: NORTY40 on September 30, 2020, 09:31 AM
Looking good mate  :coolsmiley: :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on September 30, 2020, 04:56 PM
Nice update Pete.

She's coming together sooooo nicely  :smitten:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on September 30, 2020, 06:35 PM
Thanks guys  :daumenhoch:

Have a 'bars' dilemma now, as these landed today:

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 :smitten:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Midschoolfool on October 01, 2020, 10:00 PM
Wow man that's serious OCD on those pedals but damn, worth every last bit of effort.  :slayer:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Taipan on October 02, 2020, 08:00 AM
In the words of the late Roy Castle   ;)  That's Dedication!  :D  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on October 05, 2020, 01:03 AM

My 2 pennies Pete - I prefer the original bars planned for the build mate  :-\
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on October 05, 2020, 10:53 AM

My 2 pennies Pete - I prefer the original bars planned for the build mate  :-\

I know, I'm torn as heck. I've wanted a set of VDC freestyles for a good few years now, really wanted them on my Trix, and not seeing many about at that time presumed I'd have to settle for the woody's. So, when this build started the woody's were the obvious choice too, and in reality I'm kind of like you, in that I think they suit this build better. It was just an out-of-the-blue opportunity that presented the freestyle bars, at a price I just couldn't let them pass by, and had to grab them. The trouble is, I do love the freestyle bars as a 'bar' and I've not got another freestyle inspired mid-80's era build in mind at present that would suit them. Next up will be my original DP from BITD, and that's definitely sticking with it's DP ladders. Then I'm wanting to do a 79 Teamgoose. After that I was kind of going to stop on the building front for a while, and just enjoy what I have, and collect a few odd bits along the way. At this rate I'm seeing another, yet to be defined freestyle build  :-\ :idiot2: :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on October 05, 2020, 10:14 PM
Well at the end of the day mate I think you need to try both on when she's finished and let the build talk to you......

Usually I have a build exactly in my head or very near to it..... my recent experience with my Rampar build changed that since how I had it in my head was very different to the parts I chose for her in the end. First time that's happened for me, but sometimes I guess you just have to try the parts on the bike and let the build take the lead a bit perhaps....

Try them both out mate and just see what looks and feels "right" with all the other components in play - either way she's gonna be a stunner mate  :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: Picklez on October 05, 2020, 10:37 PM
Well at the end of the day mate I think you need to try both on when she's finished and let the build talk to you......

Usually I have a build exactly in my head or very near to it..... my recent experience with my Rampar build changed that since how I had it in my head was very different to the parts I chose for her in the end. First time that's happened for me, but sometimes I guess you just have to try the parts on the bike and let the build take the lead a bit perhaps....

Try them both out mate and just see what looks and feels "right" with all the other components in play - either way she's gonna be a stunner mate  :daumenhoch:

Sound advise John, and definitely the route I'll take, mind you (and keep it quiet from my good lady) I was doing a bit of a 'recky' for Freeagent Freeflites earlier  :LolLolLolLol:, 'picturing' a build the freestyle bars would go very nicely with  :uglystupid2:
Title: Re: She's finally arrived - Changa Build
Post by: bobafett on October 06, 2020, 12:23 AM
Ahh yes.... the good old "convincing yourself to start yet another build because of 1 specific part you already have" scenario  :2funny:

Been there  :LolLolLolLol:
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