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Technical & Reference Section => Tech and Restoration => Topic started by: Midschoolfool on May 10, 2020, 02:09 AM
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2001 Dirt Bike Next Gen.
I originally bought this at the end of the summer last year. I paid £120 for the frame, fork, headset and a new pad set.
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Original Pitch Fork. However don't let them fool you, they suck :( I will get around to why in a bit. I didn't have any more parts, then I bought a Huffy MJ12 that arrived with the wheels loose which had destroyed the paint. So these parts cost me a total of £60. I got a Metal chain ring (uber rare), a set of MK1 Hoffman Jump bars (cut 1" longer on one side ffs) a decent set of era correct wheels that are nice and straight, a headset, a bottom bracket and bearings, a mint (it was replaced and looks brand new) 990 and god knows however many other goodies.
This is how the bars looked with the very tatty decals removed.
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I can't remember if they were cut even before that pic or after. Any way, I smoothed out all of the scratches and stuff.
Degreased and hit with alcohol.
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And then rust treated, sanded and primed.
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Wet sand, and paint.
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Very happy with that. I got some Bone Deth grips and bar ends, and a DC lever (going righty, single rear brake)
I did order a decal set directly from Hoffman, but sadly the twat in the flat below me had a thing for pilfering mail and parcels. So they got half inched. Was wanting to smash his fingers with a hammer bur realised that may be a bit extreme (he's lucky I'm not 25 any more). I ended up finding this cheap enough decal on Delcals for about £3. Looks good too.
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OK, restored wheels from the Huffy donor that cost me £60.
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They came up nice. Time for some rubber. I want this to be trails AF, so I got these.
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Skin wall, 60 PSI and very light and sticky. Big shout out to Steve for the £15 early FIT cranks.
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BB I already had.
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It's not sealed but it is era correct. That said on a bruiser like this you'd be hard pushed to notice. The decals I found for the "Not old school bmx applied tax" rate of $13 in the USA. Cost me about bang on a tenner, minus the PF decals which were about £8.
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They were a bit of a mystery. It turns out they are "Lo Rider" decals. However, there is no such thing as a "low rider" Dirt Bike, so these were a S&M limited run set for Hispanics to use on their Dirt Bikes. After a year I translated the decals yesterday and had a good chuckle. Seems S&M still have their SOH.
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Seat post is a Cult pivotal (again big shout out to Steve)
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Even though it is alu it came smothered in rust from the frame it was in. Vinegar bath, scuffed with a pot scourer and a lick of paint.
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Bolt on the Bone Deth seat, another job is finished.
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And that is another job done. More cleaned parts.
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And the head badge.
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I've got S&M resin pedals (in the pic with the tyres) and so on. Basically I bought every single part last year, even the paint. Talking of the paint.
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beige, eggshell. I like that finish. I already have the primer and all of the prep stuff too.
I started working on the fork. I figured I could do what I did to those original Jump bars. No chance. Whoever painted this destroyed it. Like, I wondered why there were so many imperfections in the paint right. So I started sanding at the clear coat, which was still stickyish. Meaning it was cheap crap. It just clogs alu oxide. Then I got a bit deeper and the horrors started to show themselves.
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Like, you can see big scratches and funny looking areas. Yeah, that is because whoever did this atrocity with paint did not even give the fork a courtesy lick with some sandpaper. So when you finally get through the three layer finish (those drops took me nearly two hours with dremel drum sanders) you hit the horror show of the rust and original paint and it starts flicking up and hitting you in the face. The guy literally put on two coats of primer, black and clear without any prep work whatsoever. It's a horror show.
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Having gotten quite good at painting over the last 30 years I am usually loathe to bust out chemicals. They burn, they stink and it's just not a nice experience. I usually prefer working with the original finish then painting on sealer and doing it that way. Fat chance here.
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This gun get messy.
I also have these in the wings. Not sure what if any I will use yet mind.
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Back to the Covid waiting game.
Oh yeah, why Manuel The Bandito?
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Great thread.
Top skills on them bars mate - nice resto save :coolsmiley:
Looking forward to episode 2 of the forks :popcorn:
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Looking good. :coolsmiley:
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Still waiting on the materials I need fgs.
I am not using the Metal sprocket or Bone Deth seat on it now. Those are going onto another bike. I will look for S&M parts as and when. Oh and the cranks are not going on it either, as those are going to be restored for another bike.
Things are kinda frustrating at the moment. Everything is so slow.
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I really fancy having a go at something like this, keep it coming.
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I do love me a midschool bruiser. It's cheap kicks too usually.
OK, so the 3m wheel arrived about four days ago. The brushes came yesterday (wire) and the stripper (fnarr) finally turned up today. I hate paint stripper, but nowhere as much as "past me" used to. "Past me" would have at it with no gloves, no eye protection in bare feet and just shorts. Past me was a wally. Past me also used to scrape away for hours getting frustrated. And burned, a lot.
Present me? wears nitrile gloves throwing them away between applications, wears eye protection and uses wire brushes. And it's night and day. Sense prevails, it would seem !
I had to go at it in three stages. It suggests you sand into the top layer (which I had done on half) before applying. This makes sense, as it allows it to penetrate. However, I put one the first lot and it started changing colour. So I scrubbed with the wire brush for a bit to really get it in there. Flipped over, same, scooping up any that had fallen off (past me would have just poured it on). It took three goes. First one was just getting them well covered. Second one turned it into a grey slush, and with the third application and a good scrub it was gone.
This, my friends, is a clear example of why you don't paint over rust.
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Every single one of those rust marks was visible through all of those layers of paint. They've now been rinsed for about twenty minutes or so. I will need to find the power drill now to get that 3m wheel going, which will rip anything left on there off. Then I will hit the welds with a Dremel and so on to get it ready for paint.
But yeah, that was relatively painless and rather easy. Seems age and wisdom do count for something after all !
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Keep up the good work, looking forward to the progress. :popcorn:
Agreed, age and experience does benefit sometimes, I used to be just the same, but also now apply more patience, and methodical approaches, and I'd agree it seems to pay off.
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The last time I did a chemical strip I got the primer on brilliantly. The next day it was too hot to paint, but of course past me didn't realise this.
The dayglo pink paint turned to powder as it left the can, and I had to strip the whole bike again. That is probably why I've not used it since lol. God I was mad.
That said I haven't learned that much. Last summer I repeated the same mistake. Only this time after a week of painting base coats and candy etc. It was the clear that did it, but I managed to buff it smooth. Problem is it's as soft as a pensioner's turd and scratches so easy. Thankfully I don't ride it (the T1).
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Spent the day on the Fit Indent cranks.
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Decided not to use the Metal sprocket. There is a 16t freewheel stuck on the rear wheel and the Metal is a 36. My T1 Ruben has a 12t cassette so I am going to put the Metal on that. Instead I bought a NOS DMR 41t.
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Just a nice plain black pizza dish.
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I then found out I had degreased and cleaned the wrong BB FFS :uglystupid2:
I will do the other one tomorrow.
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Great thread! Not sure how I missed this before but I'm in for the finish! :daumenhoch:
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It's been epic tbh. I don't usually restore old parts. Mostly because I don't really have any lol. I usually buy NOS. Talking of NOS.
The brake lever looks far too big on those bars. I was going to leave it tbh, as I didn't want to spend stupid money but it turns out Alan has a bum load of these for a cockel. So I grabbed one eh.
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Right hand too. Not sure why I want right hand on this bike. Maybe because every other bike has them on properly ;D
Any way the cranks came out superb.
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I was worried for a minute because I was getting some haze from it literally drying as it hit, so I just went heavier. God it was hot yesterday.
I just need to degrease the loose ball BB now and paint those cups there (that have been all done and prepped last summer). So yeah, nice easy day today. And it's 10c cooler, which is good. Because yesterday I was all like this.
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Oh and I PMed my buddy Delores and said "Come caca de changito!" she laughed. Then she asked if I knew what it meant. I said "yeah, eat little poop!"
Then she corrected me. Apparently a changito is a small monkey, and it actually translates to "Eat monkey shit"
Much laughs were had.
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OK, so I degreased the correct BB set today :uglystupid2:
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The bearings are new. They had some tiny rust spots on the frame of the cage, so they have been dunked in vinegar with the rest. I will take them out tomorrow and blow everything but the bearings over with black paint. Just to stop it wanting to rust again.
I also had to work on the seat clamp. It's quite nice as it goes, but it had a half rubbed off Huffy logo on it in white. I considered stripping the anno, sanding it, primer paint etc and then I had a brain wave. Tcut metallic :D
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And off it came. Seems it was only screen printed. Saved me bloody ages that has !
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:D
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I.had.to.
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OK so it cooled down. Sadly the weather has been total pants. Raining and gale force winds. Last night I got up into the loft to start the part gathering and put some stuff away, then I realised I had not sourced a headset for this bike yet. Now that's no issue right? just buy one. Problem is any sort of reasonably priced sealed external headset comes in from China now. Which would take forever. Not that it's a huge problem, but they are crap too. I know, because the bike had one on it when it arrived and even though it is sealed it was gritty and crunchy.
I did get a proper Aheadset with the Huffy I broke for parts, but the bearings were shot and the replacements I ordered were totally the wrong size FGS. After a long dig in the loft I found one of these.
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In white. Gosh it runs beautiful. Then I looked it up, RRP was ?35. That would be why then. It's a bit grubby and it is white, but I have a butt load of parts to paint black as soon as the weather gets better any way. So that was that sorted !
OK. So the one thing that has been really bothering me through all of this is trying to remain era correct, or, repops of things that are era correct. The seat and post (pardon the pun) just have not been sitting with me. I dunno, I am trying to create a proper mid school era bike and a pivotal post and seat just don't seem to fit. The problem is S&M shield seats (which are red and yellow) sell for a lot of coin. Like, ?120. So OK, what was the next best thing? the haemorrhoid. Only problem? some ripped old shit sells for ?60, and a NOS one? about ?150 if you can find one. And that has been pissing me off for weeks.
And then I had another light bulb moment, right. I remember seeing these genuine mid school seats on Ebay ages ago. They are pretty much an exact clone of the haemorrhoid. In fact, I used to sell these things to customers BITD. So I went looking. ?8.99. No seriously, ?8.99.
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Bargain. Just don't expect it to look anything like that when it goes on the bike. I'm currently looking at crocodile PVC, snake skin PVC and mexican blankets.
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I'm currently looking at crocodile PVC, snake skin PVC and mexican blankets.
When was the last time you read THAT ^^^ in a BMX build thread!? Brilliant!! :daumenhoch:
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Haha it's definitely opened up my creative side. I see S&M do a really expensive hemp seat atm..
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Then I found these.. It's pretty much typical S&M humour lol
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This is the best one though. I would have to wait ages because it's from the USA, but it's awesome.
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That's actually a real patch for DEA agents lol.
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Faux snake skin it was.
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OK after prepping everything last night I got in a couple of coats of primer today.
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I also realised I don't have enough primer. I have ordered more, and should have enough to do the fork (which is next up after all of the small parts) so it shouldn't hamper me any, as when they are de-rusted and primed I need to strip the frame.
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I'm currently looking at crocodile PVC, snake skin PVC and mexican blankets.
When was the last time you read THAT ^^^ in a BMX build thread!? Brilliant!! :daumenhoch:
fookin lol :LolLolLolLol:
That hemp seat looks quite cool :)
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It's lovely but it is pivotal. I could live with pivotal for a while, then I got a couple of tripods and it just brings back mid school gut seats with a gut flip.
If I have no luck with the vinyl (will need heating I would imagine) then I will go with some hemp. Will be much easier to work with if the vinyl isn't.
Will get all of those annoying tiny bits and bobs into gloss tomorrow. I've been working on my other bikes also, so I am alternating at the moment so I don't get too bored. Those small parts took so long to clean and prep tbh, it kinda pissed me off :tickedoff:
Still, they are a blow of paint away from being pristine again, so that is good.
Not happy that I had to cut a NOS pair of Odyssey Elm Street tyres from two rims earlier, but lesson learned. It's a long story and I CBA going into it right now as I still have a bit of sand in my vagina over the whole thing ;D
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Not happy that I had to cut a NOS pair of Odyssey Elm Street tyres from two rims earlier, but lesson learned. It's a long story and I CBA going into it right now as I still have a bit of sand in my vagina over the whole thing ;D
Woh there you can't leave us hanging like that ! :shocked:
That sounds like a tale in itself.....
Crack on good sir.... :popcorn:
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I originally built my T1 as a flatland bike. It was one of those great amazing ideas you have, then think "WTF did I do?". It happened because I saw the Liberte Grave bars. Always wanted a set of Graveyards, but finding the real thing these days is hard, and you better have ?350. Any way I bought them, T1 was built flatland, looked kinda stupid (but nice lol).
I got the Elm Sts from Carlo. He had them lying around for about 18 years. They were 1.85, which was for flatland. Then I decided to turn the T1 into a proper Ruben street/park bike.
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The grips are on that now and it's finished. The Rubens were on my Haro (which again made no sense). I bought new wheels for the Haro to turn it into a flatland rig (given it's a flatland frame, not the street one) and put the Grave bars on that. Looks so nice. Any way, the Elm St are mid school tyres, so they are designed mostly for single wall rims without the lifted inner ring with the gussets. So whilst they fit lovely on the old Alex Y22 mid school wheels on the T1 they didn't like new school rims. I got the front one on after snapping two tyre levers. Then I went to the back, but the Total Spitfire is so shallow inside that I could only get half of it on. Then the last tyre lever snapped. I bought some more, and snapped two trying to remove the front tyre. Now bear in mind that this is over ?350 worth of wheels here so I didn't want to start busting out the screwdrivers and so on.
So I cut them off.
R.I.P ?35 worth of tyres. It could have been soooo much worse.
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The snake skin arrived today. It's really cool. I'm kinda glad I spent a few hours in the loft last night building the Haro, because it's absolutely pissing down with rain today.
Another thing I learned is that skin wall tyres don't suit Haro Masters at all. The Demolition tyres I put on it look amazing.
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Forgot to post a pic of that. Frame has been completely de-stickered now and the head badge has been drilled, tapped and test fitted.
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Shit that you had to cut the tyres but like you say, could have been worse :-\
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Aye. I had a similar issue when building my Standard. This was a brand new set of Stolen wheels from a high end complete, and the tyres were mid school. Ended up breaking out the spoons and half the anno on one rim was gone. Thank the lord for blue sharpies. Ended up putting 2.1 on that, new school like.
The primer arrived today. Weather is better too. Not really feeling it right now though, though knowing me I will be out there at 8pm.
We'll see. I will at least get those small parts painted black today at some point.
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See? every time I say I am not doing anything I do loads :LolLolLolLol:
Decided it was finally time to stop being a pussy and rip the rust off the fork. Sadly I am just as stupid as ever, and didn't think to put them in the bike stand I bought for painting FFS. So I knacked my wrists trying to hold the fork in one hand and the drill in the other. Oh well, I got there eventually. Quick sand with some alu oxide and a bloody good clean with some pre paint and the primer went down.
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This paint I got is funny. It comes out so slow a granny could paint with it. Quite frustrating when you spent so many years training on wet coats with no runs but I got there eventually. Wasted loads though, because it is very windy but ho hum.
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Very happy tbh. Will leave that out there to dry for a few, then pull it in later. I also fitted the new lever to the bars and fitted the stem.
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And again, very happy (well, once I had swapped out the silver barrel adjuster with a black one !)
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Will go down in a bit when I have dried (very humid ffs) and paint those BB parts.
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That's me done for today. Just the frame now.
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OK, now I am done.
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Very happy with that. Paint self levels really nicely, and has a lovely finish.
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+1! Love those patches - I wonder if HM Customs will have a sniff at that! ;D
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I had a play with the faux snake skin when it arrived yesterday. It's quite nice as it goes. Stretchy.
There's also absolutely bloody loads of it. So I might make myself a mini skirt, go out and ask people if they think my arse looks big in it.
Hopefully it won't piss me off. I still need to order some contact adhesive, but haven't yet. It hasn't gone unnoticed on me that mid school gear is starting to become very expensive.
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That was a ?20 seat. The Primo sorta copy shield seat was about 40 quid back then, and that was a lot. It has a hole in too, and god knows what it will end at.
I did some quick calculating earlier and this bike will owe me about 250 quid. For all of it. The Fatboy that I will be doing next (another nut and bolt but has some new parts I got cheap) will cost about 200 quid all in.
Some of my bikes owe me blood. I am totally over paying 70 quid for an STA frame and fork, then paying 130 boys to get it powdered. I won't ever be doing that again. I mean it's nice and all but it's just not worth it.
I did buy a 2hip Root Down (it's just like a Soul, cro mo too on the year I have) with fork for 90. Not bad. Been debating whether to use the parts for the Fat Boy on that, or just save that for a later date. I do need to keep my eyes peeled for another cheap rusty complete though, but they are getting harder to find. As mid school prices soar people are now breaking them down instead of selling them for peanuts complete. Mind you, I have enough to keep me busy for at least a couple of years so I am good.
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Oh yeah, forgot to say.
I wasn't exactly sure what PF decals I needed tbh. It's all pretty hazy. I literally stopped riding and collecting bikes in 2001 and moved to the USA for 9 years of bedlam. However, those devil ones just kinda felt right, though I wasn't sure why. When I looked at them I thought they would not work on a black fork. Hence why I initially chose to do the fork the same colour. What I didn't realise until today of course was....
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Those are OG. So not only did I choose the completely correct decals (my brain must still work somewhat huh) but they have a white stroke on them. Sure enough when I carefully peeled one up ever so slightly so do mine, but you can't see it because the decal backing is white too.
So yeah, pretty stoked about that. Also stoked that it fooled me, because I am loving this beige. I must do me an army green bike soon.
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Paint be gone.
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I will do the insides of the races with a Dremel sanding wheel. I won't lie that proper sucked balls. It's got a tight rear end :LolLolLolLol: and that shit burns straight through nitrile gloves. Still, I suppose it could have been worse. No actually, it was. When I got to the hose pipe and brass brush I was so hot I didn't realise I was sat in a puddle. Nasty wet bum surprise for me when I got up.
Ah well. It's done now. Needs a light sanding, make sure there's no cack in the welds with the Dremel and then it's onto the good part, painting !
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OK. Primer is a little thin in areas because one side of the bike was facing directly at the sun so I couldn't bloody see.
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It totally doesn't matter tbh. I only wanted it on there to stop it rusting and causing me loads more work.
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I can't paint today on account of the winds. So I am having a day off. 100% for sure lol.
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The seat came.
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But it has thrown me a curve ball. Let me explain. I didn't realise (or I had forgot) that Primo actually made a haemorrhoid in this exact colour. I soon realised that the daft logos are simply some sort of latex print, which should buff off. So do I do that and try and make it all shiny red, or go with the skin? hmm, decisions decisions. I know it's glitter red, but hey the bike is a lo rider. Plus there's red on the decal (fork) and of course the pads.
It deffo comes apart though.
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Rails and all from the looks of it.
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Need to paint the raw steerer black. Lesson learned from STA. One day out in the salt air here and my fork rusted. Plus it looks like cack.
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God I like days like this. So I got my seat in. Had a look about an hour ago, looked awful familiar..... So I looked up the haemorrhoid
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Mine says Velo on the underside. So I looked that up, as I could swear they made all of these mid school saddles.
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OK, confirmed. So here is the method of how to get a mid school seat for 8 pounds and 99p. First you go buy a Freak Factory seat from Ebay. Then, hit it with a brillo pad gently until all of the crap they printed on it is gone, then simply buff with Tcut metallic or another fine paste. And.....
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You get a brand new Primo Haemorrhoid from the mid school in flake red for 8 pounds 99p lmao. Don't forget to remove the padded area first. It has 6 screws.
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BTW if in any doubt simply look at this one, and compare the grab area toward the front underneath with mine.
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Forks look cool with the decals on :daumenhoch:
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Yeah totally stoked with them. I *think* I got them from Del last year? dunno. There's a piece of cereal box in there so they must be lol. The frame decals came from the U.S. ?8 they were. ?3 postage.
That was the longest three days of my life. I hate waiting to put decals on :LolLolLolLol:
Glad I decided to do that seat now and not paint the frame. I was going to night paint like I did last night for the primer. Just looked out the window and it's pissing with rain.
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Finally found a U.S sealed BB for a reasonable price.
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Ordered a seat post.
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And got some CTs.
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I am going to change the pedals to some silver DMR V8, as they look like just S&M 101 pedals and I think it was too much black.
But yeah, one good day of weather and I can get the paint on the frame and then build this sucker.
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Cutting corners 101.
I kinda knew that there was no way any pad set would fit these Jump Bars. They are absolutely tiny. So I cut some corners.
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Great view for when riding.
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Yesterday, all day :(
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Today, all day.
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I'm not quite sure how to describe how I feel, so I will leave Eric Cartman to do that for me.
"Hey guys, you know that feeling you get when you take an absolutely huge dump? awesomeeeeeeeeeeeee"
I wired up my loft lighting and sockets last night. Can't believe I was actually bored.
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Getting there :daumenhoch:
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Yup. Pleased that I drilled and tapped the head tube now. People were saying stick it on etc. Sod that it cost me ?20 lol, don't want it falling off !
I reckon by the time the bits (post, tugs and BB) arrive it should be time to build.
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Bollocks, YOLO, or so they say.
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This is the bit where Morgan Freeman goes "And it was at that moment he realised he could never in a million years have picked a better colour for that bike".
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Decals look Ace :coolsmiley:
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I finally solved the riddle today of where they came from. They are from a 24" cruiser S&M made in 2011 and 2012.
There's some pretty savage irony to all of this of course. When I looked back at my Ebay history I found out how much I paid.
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They were ?5 plus shipping, and came with the black S&M shield thrown in. So that means that the paint was ?3.50 a can, and i used about 1.5 (throwing the first one away probably too early but didn't want to risk spitting) and I used exactly 1/2 a can of primer @ ?4. So with the decals the entire finish cost me about twenty quid. The head badge cost me 21.
I don't think I will be sending any more frames away for powder, let's put it that way. I also found the original listing for the bike too.
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The guy sent me that. He was dead proud of himself. It's one of those 50/50 finishes though. Looks 50% from 50 ft. If you look closely at that pic you can see the mass of paint (it was a ring about 3mm thick) around the seat clamp area where he fitted the clamp whilst the paint was wet.
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I bloody knew I would forget something ! :uglystupid2:
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He was dead proud of himself. It's one of those 50/50 finishes though. Looks 50% from 50 ft. If you look closely at that pic you can see the mass of paint (it was a ring about 3mm thick) around the seat clamp area where he fitted the clamp whilst the paint was wet.
:2funny: :LolLolLolLol:
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lol I'm sure we've all been there. I shouldn't have even fitted the decals yet tbh. Stupidity knows no bounds, now I have a nice thumb print on the side of the head tube :LolLolLolLol:
I should be mad at myself, but human nature. And hey, if it gets nicked and the police find it it has my finger print on......
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About all I could do today was chase out the brake posts with a tap (it was full of old thread locker) and get the paint off the posts. Seat clamp goes on really smooth, and tried out the alt pads.
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I will clean out the head tube and BB tomorrow. There's no major rush, as I want to fit the BB first and I don't have it yet.
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Headset went in earlier. Now I am stuck until the BB arrives. HARUMPH.
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That's looking great! Love that colour and decal combination! :daumenhoch:
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It was definitely a little bit lucky. All it needs is a gold PROPS sticker to make it more authentic. Problem being is I only have one and it came with my Go Fast Pull Up blu ray. I don't really want to use it.
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So I got those instead :)
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OK so I went down earlier and put on the bars and stem etc. Made up the brake lines, etc. Made up a straddle cable also.
I will hold off on pics until there is daylight, or until it's finished. It just depends how long this other shit takes to arrive. I got the chain tensioners earlier, so all good there.
One thing I noticed when I put the stem pad on (yeah yeah, I am being a tease) was that the grips look wrong. I can't exactly put my finger on why. In fact, yes, yes I can. I am becoming anal in my old age, and like the seat I just feel they are far too "new" to be on the bike. Usually I don't care about stuff like that (I don't have one truly era correct bike) and usually I don't give a shit but on this it just feels wrong. Usually as I say, I throw money at a problem and "git r done" but I can't do that here. In fact, I think that is a big reason why I ended up hating both of my 80s bikes and got rid of them, because I threw loads of money at them and they weer soulless. That didn't matter and TBH? I don't care as I hate 80s bikes any way. They pissed me off enough then, I don't want pissing off any more.
I also realised I could pull shit off because of the pads that maybe I couldn't have before. Like the red seat for example, it just screams S&M and is period correct. And, that hookup cost me less than half of what I paid for the Bone Deth seat alone, and that can be used on something else.
So yeah. I've worked so god damned hard on this bike. More than any other. It has been a total labour of love, and every single last bearing nut and bolt has been removed and put back after being restored. So I wanted to treat myself. So I had a look around and these popped up. NOS. I don't know how old they are, or if they are repops or what. Hilariously they were even cheaper than the Bone Deth grips but will just work so much better.
(https://i.imgur.com/x7kP9Sf.jpg)
I was going to get some Longnecks, as they were my weapon of choice BITD. Or Ame. But I have two bikes with Ame on already.
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See that's another reason why I ditched the S&M pedals. They weren't era correct, didn't look era correct and had the modern S&M logo on which totally didn't fit.
I may aswell cut off the BD grips now as they are so small (short ass bars) that they aren't worth rescuing. As I say, usually I wouldn't care but this time for some reason (maybe because of all of the work and suffering, I'm still getting burned with paint stripper lmao ) I just want it right.
As I say, I don't know when they were made but they are definitely not brand new and modern. Nobody makes bar ends like that any more.
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Hark at me last night being all reflective. Any way, I was right about the grips. Now I sound like the old bloke from the Yellow Pages advert. Remember that? "Eeee, I was right about that seat !"
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They don't look right.
This came today :surprise:
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This is a great thread! Not only is it fun watching the twists and turns of the build but it's a good read. I liked this comment:-
"I don't care as I hate 80s bikes any way. They pissed me off enough then, I don't want pissing off any more."
:LolLolLolLol:
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I spent more time working on my 80s bikes than riding them. Loose headsets, loose cranks, loose bearings on the wheels, bars that kept moving etc. I mean it was fun then don't get me wrong (and learned a lot) but yeah, aggro.
So many funny things have happened (well, looking back) whilst doing this.
I was sat on the back step of the house doing the frame and somehow (I still don't know how) the paint stripper can (open) ended up under me. The vapour burned my left nut. Like seriously, that stuff is savage.
So yeah I had to sit there, eyes watering, stripping away. It burned for about an hour. When chasing out the brake adjuster last night there must have been some left in there too, so I got burnt again.
Water doesn't seem to displace it it would seem. Next time I will bust out the Fairy.
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OK cranks and pedals on.
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Was the combo I went with.
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The only thing I do want to do is paint the pedal caps red. I have to order red paint for the Fat Boy tomorrow so I will do that when it arrives. The seat post should be here tomorrow with any luck.
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Still can't believe I used to ride those bars. My back aches just looking at it.
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Ohh.... nearly there :coolsmiley:
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Yup I got done at about 1am.
The chain fought me, so I took a break. I first made it too short, then had to add a bit back in. I hate chains, it's like trying to wrestle a greasy pig.
I went back down at around 11pm last night and started on the brake. Thread locker hadn't been open for a while so peed all over my hand. After washing my hands about ten times (call me the Teflon Don FFS) I cracked on. Got the brake tuned up beautifully and etc. Just as I was about to go to bed I thought "I'll give it one more hard yank !" and then I found out the straddle bolt wasn't tight enough and I pulled the cable out :LolLolLolLol:
Back to square three.... Oh well, it's done now and I see two packages at the bottom of the stairs. Hint, I only had two to arrive ;)
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Yup.
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Two things left to do. One, I need to buy a new headset bolt. The one in the S&M fork is huge, and the threaded part is welded in and part of the fork. I don't have a replacement, apart from some ugly old bolt the guy who sold it to me was using. I will get an allen bolt. As such the star nut only went in on one set of the spikes, and has pulled out I'm sure of it. So the headset isn't properly tightened, as I could not get the pre load on it.
Secondly I can not do the grips ATM. It will sound pretty complicated, so I drew this up.
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Right. As you can see they say "S&M BIKES" and I don't want to lose that. If I cut the grips the normal way? I will lose it. So I need to cut them around where the smooth part joins the grip at the flange end (first arrow to right of grip) but cut it perfectly straight. Then measure, then cut a piece of the grip out indicated with the up and down arrow and the line. Then once that is done I need a piece of bar (I have some in the shed I can cut up). I need to fit the grip, mark it with masking tape (for a perfect line) then cut the flange end off. Then I need to cut the grip to the right length (section it out) and then basically super glue the parts back together.
This will sound really risky but I am pretty confident. Firstly on the brake side the brake will stop it separating, but on the other the glue will. I have done similar fun like this before with a bike with cut bars.
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So you can get them super straight if you do it the correct way. And no, I am not putting them on like that with the lever "in them" so to speak. I am just going to cut them and put them back together so none of the good bits are lost. I would do that today, but I sliced open my finger last night so I CBA. I will do that when it heals up.
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But yeah, other than the pre load bolt and the grips she is done.
Manuel went on the seat post. I eyed up loads of others but that one made me smile the most.
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I know it's all a personal thing, etc, etc, but before you cut them up (or your hand again), I'm not sure I'm feeling those grips. They may look better on but unless that shade of yellow matches those of the pads (I can't tell if they do), will they go with the rest of the bike? I'll shut up now! :-X
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I know it's all a personal thing, etc, etc, but before you cut them up (or your hand again), I'm not sure I'm feeling those grips. They may look better on but unless that shade of yellow matches those of the pads (I can't tell if they do), will they go with the rest of the bike? I'll shut up now! :-X
I was gonna say the same :-[
But...... I didn't so it's all Mick's fault :LolLolLolLol:
I quite like the black grips :-\
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Hey guys. I typed up a reply last night but it seems I have found this combination on my keyboard that deletes all of your text. :LolLolLolLol:
I was so dog tired last night I couldn't type it again.
They are more yellow in person. Like, darker. I will try them against the bars and see over the weekend. I won't cut off the Bone Deths, just in case they don't look right. I will try them on there though and see. That or I will put the black ones back on if they don't look right and use the S&M ends? IDK.
It's going to be a carpet queen though for sure. You can see how low the seat is right, now look again at those bars. I stood over it the other night and laughed. I literally had to bend my knees just to hold the bars.
They (the grips) were six pounds fifty. So TBH? it would be no great loss. I really lucked out. I also sold the Metal sprocket last night, which paid for the donor bike. So this owes me less than ?200 without the whip girl pads (I won't count those as it had pads already).
My Props decals came today but my sliced finger isn't healing up well (being it's on the join). Going to have the weekend off because I am shattered. I've been working like crazy on the bike, looking after my mother (her back has been terrible) cooking, cleaning, etc. But the worst part is I have to spend about 45 mins getting stuff out before I can work, then work, then spend 45 mins running up and down the loft ladder putting it all back. And I am autistic, so my OCD is crazy. I will take my sleep pills, be lying in bed at 2am and think "I will just nip down and do this or that".
Oh and I will enter it in the July thing. I've never entered a competition before but I see there aren't many going in this month so hey whatever I will chuck mine in.
Have a great weekend !
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OK grabbed these for Justin. It was these and Ame I rode back then.
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Just in case yellow looks off. I also found these whilst searching.
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lol so cool must have. I got the schrader ones.
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Headset finally sorted.
I found the correct shim for the Onza (it was all chucked in a box) but I was right about the pre load star washer. It had pulled up to the top cap (about 1/2 out) and was preventing me pre loading the bearings properly. So I said I was going to order an allen bolt? no chance. When I got up into the loft to grab that heffer old bolt it turns out it's some weird yank shit.
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That will be why it's a big stainless bolt then. What I hated was that it had numbers on the top, making it look proper ghetto. So I did what any sane person would do, spent about an hour filing that shit off. And then sanding and then, just to top it off, (badum tish !) I masked it up with fine line tape and painted the top.
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We're nearly there.
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Nice touch on the bolt detailing :coolsmiley:
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I'd like to have polished it but sadly all I had up to was P800. I only painted the top because if you paint a bolt then take a spanner to it the paint will just come off. So it was sort of a happy medium.
I love the original SNAFU top cap. It's like a whacking great bolt made out of alu, with a pott's bolt cut into it. You do it up with the massive great bolt. Unfortunately the head on this bolt is way too big to sink into it, and the bolt with the SNAFU stem is too small to fit into the thread in the fork. It's something S&M did alone by the looks of it. It should have this on it (not mine, but a NOS example owned by a guy on the BMXM)
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It looks like any other pott's bolt but the thread is almost the same size as the bolt head. It's bloody huge.
Maybe at some point I will get my buddy with the machines to machine down the head of my bolt to fit into the big old SNAFU thing? IDK. Maybe that *is* over thinking it a little.
I picked up another project bike today. I've been thinking about getting something chrome for ages and something came up. So I might do that next, as it's literally a clean and build without all of the OCD lol.
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I picked up another project bike today.
Spoken like a true RADster :LolLolLolLol:
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It was cheap man ! I paid ?130 for all of it.
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1995 poor man's DMC :LolLolLolLol:
I've got everything I need to turn it into a bike.
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NOS pair of those and a 3pc. It should polish up nice, but I love the originality. I mean, nearly all of it is there.
It's you guy's fault ! I didn't have a chrome bike until I came here :LolLolLolLol:
Oh yeah a tiny update on Manuel.
Last night I put the grips against the bars. I really like how they look. Let me explain the method to my madness.
There is one thing that worries me about this bike a bit. With all of the black parts it looks like a complete bike you would have bought. Does that make sense? I don't really like that. I want it to look like a custom ride.
With the pads on there the yellow grips pop. Like, really nicely. So I think I am definitely going to use them. The fact they will make it pop will take away that pre built look I don't like.
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Nice little project :daumenhoch:
And... I hear you on the grips... at the end of the day its your build mate so fook it, you gotta build it your way :4_17_5:
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OK so now I literally have one thing left to do, fit the grips. I will get that done tomorrow.
When I did the headset something up front was rattling. Turns out it was the front wheel. Sodding loose ball bearings ! Thankfully I bought a set of cone spanners a few years ago and had only used them once (I hate loose ball bearings). So I just took the wheel off, sorted that, fitted the Props decal (the 1998 one) and put on the frame whip girl pad.
So that literally leaves the grips. All of this ends right in time for the Mongoose, so that will be next.
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The grips are actually two colours. They were absolutely filthy. Seems like some guy got them out of the packet every now and then for a fondle with filthy hands, then put them back. Gave them a good scrubbing with some washing up liquid, then cut and reassembled them. It went spiffingly well, now they actually fit without having the ends missing. I had the idea due to my obsession with water cooling computers and having custom blocks made (and thus having to make custom orings)
She's done. Oh, you will notice I put on a red ODI cock ring to stop slippage. Nothing pisses me off more than grips that don't stay put. I will do the spec tomorrow.
Cheers all, and thanks for following along/posting motivating etc.
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Well done buddy, turned out great. I'd have probably stuck with black grips too, but your ride, your choice, and you do have to go with what makes you happy, not others. :4_17_5:
Outside pics look great too, but I only realised how small those bars do actually look when you posted up the garden pics, see what you were saying about them earlier now.
Looking forward to tracking your work with the goose too.
Keep safe bud.
And Barnham, we're quite near each other, I'm up Midhurst way.
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Oh nice one man. Mum's is Barnham. I live in Bognor, about 80ft from the beach. Problem is for the view (and it is a stunning view) I don't get any outside space at all.
So I come and do my bikes here. Lovely quiet little village.
Yeah, those bars are absolutely tiny man. I rode those for about a year too, then switched to some kneesavers. The rise on them is nuts. Maybe 5.5"? 6" tops? I guess the idea was that due to all of the excess weight you had the bars stupid low so you could pull the bike up more but I could never ride like that now. Far too old !
The wall on them is stupid thick too, so they are deceptively heavy lol.
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Well done mate, cracking end result and it's been a great build thread - really enjoyed following it :daumenhoch:
Now chop chop, where's that goose :popcorn:
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Should be with me soon that. I will start a thread in a bit ! It's been sent Parcelforce...
I got this in today.
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It's to tie in with the double I have up in the attic now.
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That area is over 4m wide, so should hold loads. Problem is I kept forgetting to order the stand, so I have bikes all over the place (which has stopped me working on the loft more).
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It needs to go in there. Once it has I can give the STA a good clean and get that upright, then put in the Haro and T1.
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And then I should have more room to work up there, 'cause right now there's shit everywhere :LolLolLolLol:
It was all a bit manic tbh. I'd lived at my old flat for 6 years, then had to move at very short notice. The new flat is sheltered accommodation, so I can't build bikes there etc. So I had to get all my stuff out of the old flat during the move, come over to mum's, strengthen all of the joists and floor it, then put all of my bikes up there in parts because they don't fit through the hole in the ceiling together. What a nightmare. Any way, I am putting up walls etc but I just haven't had the time nor the room to move to do it lol. The bikes just got kinda dumped up there and I closed it up for the winter.
So yeah, I will have a bloody good sort out this afternoon.
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Great thread :daumenhoch:
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Thanks man. It's been a pleasure tbh. I need to be more social, because I am terrible. Been nice sharing my projects, maybe we can get some more :) As promised here is the spec list.
2000 S&M Dirt Bike Next Generation frame with Lo Rider decals and S&M shield head badge
S&M Pitch Fork
Onza Mongo III headset (sealed external)
SNAFU Armstrong stem
Hoffman Jumping Bars (MK1)
S&M logo grips (yellow) with shield bar ends
Odyssey Pitbull II lever
DC 990 black
Fibrax cable
F-IT Indent cranks (first gen)
DMR Saturn sprocket
DMR V8 pedals
Sealed 19mm American BB
Alex X EE wheels 14mm rear 10mm front
Nutrak trail tyres
Huffy seat clamp
25.4 Alu post
Velo padded seat (red glitter)
S&M whip girl pads (have shields too)
I initially thought it was a 01. However, after lots of research and checking the serial I am pretty sure it's a 2000. They made them first in 99, but didn't date the serial so you can only really guess. I figured it best to go in the middle. The story goes like this....
After breaking every frame he rode in the 1980s, Chris Moeller decided enough was enough and designed the first true dirt-jumping frame, which became the Dirt Bike. It had beefier tubing and thicker dropouts than other bikes of its era, and Chris's company, S&M, used its underground image to develop a loyal following.
A few years later, Rick Moliterno, Krt Schmidt and Bill Nitschke, collectively know as the Standard Byke Company, refined Moeller's concept and designed heavier, beefier, higher-quality bikes that were built to withstand the rigors of modern street, dirt and ramp riding.
Despite their state-of-the-art design, lofty reputation and immense popularity, it could be argued that Standards were overbuilt, and Moeller resisted that trend as long as he could, even spoofing the Standard Lengthy with the release of the S&M Heavy as F**K.
Eventually, though, market pressure dictated that Chris would have to refine the Dirt Bike, and the Next Generation was the result. With capped stays, a sleek downtube gusset, and hefty dropouts, it had all the hallmarks of a refined 1990s frame without being too overbuilt.
In retrospect, considering the way that modern bikes have shed weight and dropout material over the past few years, maybe Chris was ahead of his time in trying to remain behind the times. But without Standard's influence, and the in-between steps like the Next Generation, modern BMX frames wouldn't be nearly as well-made as they are.
That is from a blog post on S&Ms old web site.
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Nice bit of info :)
I like the look of that T1.... I've got a bit of a thing for painted frames with chrome or nickel forks - I like the contrast 8)
That probably originates from this goose obsession of mine though............
;D
(http://www.jpdeane.com/BMX/mongoose/mongoose_advert_jan79.jpg)
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Yeah I had to do a chrome front end tbh. Was well handy when I used to ride hard, because chrome forks scratched a lot less and thus didn't look like crap.
This is the last bike I had in the mid school. I built it up working for minimum wage in a bike shop, and was short of a 3pc. I also had a 98 Quad with Peregrine Super Pro etc but I got jacked coming out of work one night.
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was a 96 STA with Standard bash fork, standard stem, standard 6pc strip bars, standard post, standard seat clamp. At the time (1996) there were no more Standard parts, so my mates nicknamed it the standard standard. I didn't even know pics of it existed, but when my mother moved away from London and down here in 2007 she found them. Then I remembered I had to take some pics and get them developed so I could sell it in Ride UK. That would have been around ooo, 2000 ish.
My Quad Angle had a chrome front end too. Was a candy apple red frame. That is why I built the yellow one (because I didn't want to tempt fate).
It's pretty hard to do now tbh. I found those Hitman Conspiracy fork on Ebay NOS. With 990 lugs, which again is unheard of now. Maybe later I will post up some of the logs for that and my other bikes that I did a few years ago.
BTW the bars on the T1? they are not chrome. Only Fly does the finish and they call it Stainless.
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Basically they polish the raw metal, zinc plate it and then clear with powder. It's really bloody nice tbh. A great way of getting around the nastiness of chrome plating.
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That is a nice finish on those bars indeed :coolsmiley:
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Great thread :daumenhoch:
This ^^^ :daumenhoch:
Have enjoyed this one - thanks for sharing and good luck with the 'goose!