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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Mid School Ref Stickies => Topic started by: SaMAlex on January 15, 2008, 12:04 AM
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I am still no closer to working out the years and all the types of slam bars, but I got given a set last week (thanks subversion) so I thought Id take this pic of the ones Ive got.
As far as I can tell, the earliest ones are the bottom ones, the “Woody Itson†slams. They are very big and high and the side bars are very square with a large gap between the bends at the bottom.
The middle set are much lower and the side bars are at much more of an angle.
The top set are “dancing man†slams and are close to the modern slams.
I have got a few sets of each shape but most of them are still slightly different to each other, even tho its clear which of the 3 they are closet to.
Hope this helps, feel free to post any more pics of any more shaped slams
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/r313/alexleech/3slambars.jpg)
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are the earliest really as high as high as they look?
how big are the dancing mans in comparison to slam xlt's?
cheers dude!
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The early ones are very big.
I dont have a set of new slams so Im not totally sure, but I will take more pics of them with a tape measure behind them or something.
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A few of people i rode with in the early 90s including Jon Pratt had the (Mark 2?) Slams, i've never seen those big ones before they're pretty mad!
My first set were dancing man slams and i used the same set for 10 years.
...not too keen on the new slams though the crossbar is thinner and they just don't look as good.
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Are you sure its the SLAMS that have the thinner cross bar? It was always the lighter race/challenger bars that had thinner walled tubing and smaller crossbar. I guess they are all "Race" XLT bars now.
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....i may be wrong! (as usual).
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Here's my Big Old Slams that are on my Holmes now, and a set of yellow Slam Dancer ones.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v200/Gobotts/DSCN0671.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v200/Gobotts/DSCN0692.jpg)
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Some Slam Bar Specials. ca. 1999. Note massive cross bar.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v473/MikoKensington/P1000513.jpg)
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same as these :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/y79/dingobmxer/30102007049.jpg)
:) DINGO :)
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are the earliest really as high as high as they look?
Ive just measured the early bars Ive got.
Middle set are 29" x 8.25"
Bottom set are 29" x 8.5"
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Alex, i think chris had those early bars by everyone, CW, GT etc etc. I reckon there are many many different shapes and Chris also tweaked bars as and when relative to what he/riders/customers wanted.
You really are an s&m fruitcake mate, i love it!!
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You really are an s&m fruitcake mate, i love it!!
Now there's an understatement ;)
Here are my earliest Slam bars, with the good ol' VDC Woody Allens just for comparison. Note the low cross bar and wider area around the stem, just the right thing to put on an early Holmes
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v227/CraigS/bmx/slam.jpg)
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Hi Craig. To me, those old bars of yours look like the ones I have in the middle. Not as high as the ones at the bottom. They are in cracking condition, nice one!
Its also clear how close to VDC Itsons the early slams were. Your Itsons look almost the same as my massive slams.
Here is a little Itson bar story: A mate of mine always used Itsons in the early 90s. As the fassion for cut down bars was in full effect he wanted to lose some width but there isnt much grip room on Itsons, and he couldnt really cut them down. So he cut them in half! Right through the middle of the cross bar and stem clamp area. Then he trimmed off an inch or so off each side, and weld them back together! Nothing that the stem and a handlebar pad didnt cover up!
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:'( :'( the thought of Itson bars being cut in half... no wonder I can't get hold of another pair!
Like Clive said S&M bar production seems like it was real random, with several firms making them and with Moeller's vague recollections of the past it's gonna be tough trying to pin down which are the oldest style.
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:'( :'( the thought of Itson bars being cut in half... no wonder I can't get hold of another pair!
Well if it makes you feel any better, I think Mr Ruck still has them ... and a few other pairs too. His Dirt Bros style TA was never without a tuff or 2, GT stem and itson bars.
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Like Ed Ro's bike in Ride Like a Man - seems to be a red Dirt Bike/Mad Dog with Woody bars... can't beat 'em
anyway, back on topic
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that story of the trimmed bars is the best thing ever!
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alex didnt i send you some s&m bars,
think they were the same as you already got . haha.
ive got two pairs that are wide as fook . :)
those old ones look kooky .... hhahha
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intresting thread can it be made a sticky please :daumenhoch:
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i cant see whay it wasnt before ??? sorted
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excellent :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
these are my dancing man slams made from 93 to 97 if im correct :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/smcloseup.jpg)
now fitted to my 93 holmes build :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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what year where the woody slambars made
and are these hard to find ?
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what year where the woody slambars made
and are these hard to find ?
i think from 88 to 89/90, pretty hard to find
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do you know the widthe and rise of these bars
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do you know the widthe and rise of these bars
off the top of my head its 29" wide and 8.5" rise, i have a pair but they're cut down, best off messaging S&Malex, he has some
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ive aquired another set of slam bars
now these look very similar to my 93 dancing man slams and my 98 slams but the dancing man slams and 98 slams stem knurling is cross hatched where these are just straight lines
any idea what year they are?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture002.jpg)
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you sure they're slams?
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pretty sure as after measuring them against my other 2 sets of slams they are exactly the same apart from the knurling, i bought them off ebay from a guy in crowshurst so i would have thought he would know his s&m stuff
also they have sticker residue on both sides on the back of the bars which makes me think they could be slam dunk slams
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my dunkin slams have crossed knurling,and all my other S&M bars have crossed knurling. best off emailing S&Malex
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my dunkin slams have crossed knurling,and all my other S&M bars have crossed knurling. best off emailing S&Malex
Hey, Ive got a load of old S&M bits but I have NO idea about what year different knurling patterns was used on slam bars :-[ :LolLolLolLol:
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they were mine, The guy I originally got them off said they were 95 , I have encountered different knurling on slams before but not this version. it was earlier ones but I guess that means it happens? I would have thought the welding would be worse quality if they were not s&m or that they;d be heavier or something. I've got another set too (cut down)and compared them, they're exactly the same apart from the knurling
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cheers fraz i didnt realise i bought them off u on ebay :daumenhoch:
95 would be perfect as they are now sitting on my 1995 gt fueler build
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nice :daumenhoch: I think it's just an oddity that knurling. I have had quite a few s&m parts that vary from the norm, frames with badly welded lugs pitchforks with different crown lengths etc
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i know what u mean ive had a few frames with dodgy ad mounts, dodgy engraving etc :daumenhoch:
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haha, ive got a set of pre pitchforks that have one fork leg welded higher up on the steerer than the other
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Didnt Xposure do a bar VERY similar to Slams???
Dingo
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Didnt Xposure do a bar VERY similar to Slams???
Dingo
yep,exposure dirt bar think they called - i've gota set on my ripper ;)
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now these look very similar to my 93 dancing man slams and my 98 slams but the dancing man slams and 98 slams stem knurling is cross hatched where these are just straight lines
any idea what year they are?
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/1003/escrs/Picture002.jpg)
A couple sets found their way to me, both sets have different knurling patterns yet they are the exact same size:
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p608/Dipsomaniac_2012/1992%20Challenger/IMG_3322.jpg)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p608/Dipsomaniac_2012/1992%20Challenger/IMG_3321.jpg)
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Here are a NOS set of MK2's that i couldn't help but bolt on:
(1-1/2" wide knurling)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p608/Dipsomaniac_2012/1992%20Challenger/PB130115.jpg)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p608/Dipsomaniac_2012/1992%20Challenger/PB130116.jpg)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p608/Dipsomaniac_2012/1992%20Challenger/PB130114.jpg)
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MK 1 Slams
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/yy187/manyglasscats/Untitleds.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/manyglasscats/media/Untitleds.jpg.html)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/yy187/manyglasscats/Untitledsl.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/manyglasscats/media/Untitledsl.jpg.html)
(http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy187/manyglasscats/92%20Holmes/DSC00660.jpg) (http://s790.photobucket.com/user/manyglasscats/media/92%20Holmes/DSC00660.jpg.html)