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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Mid School Ref Stickies => Topic started by: Philbert on November 18, 2008, 05:11 PM
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Rick Moliterno, Krt Schmidt, and Bill Nitschke started Standard Byke Company in 1991.
rick spearheaded the the birth of standard byke company after efforts to become haro team manager and redesign they're bikes after 6 years riding for them failed. so along with krt and bill they set about inventing bikes that could cope with the new riding styles. street and skatepark were killing the old school frame far too quickly so a change was needed.
november 91 was when it all kicked off. the spelling of byke was a deliberate mistake with the idea of saying to people that this is something different in a period of bmx where the industry was shrinking and frame design was becoming stagnant. prototypes were tested straight away and the first run of production frames arrived around late 92. they were made by a machine shop in davenport but all were refused as they were made wrong. those frames that were made wrong became 'basic bikes'. at some point soon after manufatcuring was moved to waterford precision cycle engineering.
the first frame to be sold under standard byke company were the lengthy and shorty. with tubing beefed up, much thicker dropouts, these frames are stronger than any other frame on the market.
bill nitschke left standard in the december and according to rick "he was a mistake. just wanting a fat paycheck off the company with no effort involved".
standard adopted the number '63'. its ricks lucky number and sees it appearing everywhere
in 1993 standard launched the S.T.A (stonger than all) as its jumping weapon. beefy tubing and no platform gave a sleek yet super stong frame and its deserving title. though designed for jumping the S.T.A pretty much became the 'best all round frame ever produced'.
also at this time all the frames were now coming with a lifetime warranty.
in 1994 saw probably the biggest evolution in bmx when standard paved the way of the future again by designing the fork and
stem combo using the 1"1/8' aheadset.
the bicycle motocross was introduced to the world as standard's race frameset, to be sold as a frame fork and stem combo.
the other frames were availaible as 1" or 1" 1/8'.
by 1996 bmx was back in full swing, the standards of frames had acheived new peaks and trends were setting in. with this in mind the TAO (paul osicka) flatland frame was released. it had a new headtube gusset design, no platform, and raised chainstays for better clearence
in 1997 came the standard 'trailboss' (robbie morales signature model). Robbie Morales, Ride BMX US june 1997 : 'The Trail Boss was basically my idea. I worked together with Rick Moliterno on it. It's basically an STA front end, super beefy, super strong, with the rear end of a Motocross with straight gauge tubing and thicker dropouts, if you want to run a peg. The whole idea was for once to specifically build a bike just for the trails. It's lighter than an STA, and a little heavier than a Motocross. It's just right for dirt jumping. It'll come with a 20" top tube and a 21" top tube, so for short people it'll fit them'.
also in 1997 krt schmidt left standard
in 1998 saw the development of the 'shamen' (bobby fisher signature model). it was designed for the flatland/street rider and also made a fantastic mini ramp frame, using the same headtube configuration as the TAO with a more STA back end it was
super stong and and really whippy.
in 1999 saw the re-release of the legendary lengthy frame, the platform had gone, was very similar to an STA of the time but sported stepped dropouts. 6mm with 8mm around where the wheelnut goes on.
in 2000 a few companies dabbled with kids frames and to order standard devloped the starship destoyer 50. basically a mini
STA that took a 16" wheel. also the use of ox platinum air hardened tubing was put into the production S.T.A's, 125, and trls 250
in 2001 a 'more affordable' frame was launched under the signature of john (luc-e) engelbert, and was given the name 'cashius'. had open dropouts instead of the distinctive capping and only came in yellow and black.
in 2002 rick moliterno designed his own signature frame for 'the refined rider' and being the mad ford mustang fan that he is was given the name 'bullitt' and was available in mustang green and black.
in 2003 a more street/park orientated version of the trls 250 was available as the 250s.
in 2004 with the beefed up 250S already around, a new lighter frame version was available as the 250L weighing in at a remarkable 4lb 11oz.
in 2007 SBC took the decision to bring manufacturing in-house at standards home town of davenport iowa. with the idea of
improving quality control, customer services, its 'custom options' and prototyping could be achieved much quicker. and with what we have seen so far in 2008 with etched tubing and pictorial cut dropouts anything is possible.
shorty/lengthy
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gen 1 shorty
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/shortyt2.jpg)
gen2 shorty
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/lengthyt2.jpg)
gen3 lengthy
3 main generation of the shorty and lengthy, gen 1 revolutionised bmx with beefy tubing, large platform, 6mm dropouts, and super strong construction, gen 2 saw the backend tidied up with the stays being straightned out instead of toeing in toward the rear and the dropout ends were capped and became a distinctive mark on sbc frames, gen 3 in 1996 saw two new gussets at the front end, as well as the distinctive wraparound gusset, two plates were added on upper and lower of tubing to give better strength. sadly after this the legendary frame was retired for several years but in 1999 saw the rebirth of the lengthy. completely redesigned with thick sections of dropout, beefy tubing, this was probably arguably standards heaviest and strongest frame built. yeilded the best slogan on the frame 'through the flames the image of an old beast appeared in a new world' and its own sticker of the mythical phoenix
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/lengthylater.jpg)
revised lengthy
S.T.A. stronger than all
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/sta.jpg)
96 STA
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/oxsta.jpg)
02 OX platinum STA
started off life as the strongest jump frame in the world, and ended life as the strongest all round frame in the world. first version had the usual standard marks and looked like a lengthy without the platform, in 1996 two gussett plates were added to the front end to aid strength, backend went from 6/8ths stays to 7/8ths stays for better backend strength. about 98/99 saw the dropouts slightly redesigned to help in protecting the chain. in 2000 the S.T.A was host to the new development of OX PLATINUM air hardened tubing used in the frame to give better balance to the frame with a lighter front end and the plate gussets at the front were discontinued. the easiest way to check an OX platinum frame is to sit the frameon its B/B and dropouts. if the front end drops its 4130. if the front end stays raised its OX platinum
bicycle motocross/125/125r
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125
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08 125r
standards all out race frameset made from 100% chromoly tubing. super sleek looks is what this frame has always been
renowned for with good reason. a few angle and length changes over the years and in 2000 was given air hardened ox platinum tubing to increase strength and bring the weight down to a healthy 4lb 2ozs. the 125r was the first frame to roll off the production line in the new in-house manufacturing plant in davenport in 2008 and has had a small number of tweaks, especially the dropouts with the all new picture cut dropouts showing off engineering prowess.
TAO (paul osicka signature model)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/tao.jpg)
the character itself translates as "way," "path," or "route," and pronounced as 'dao'
a complete new frame from standard for flatland with low seatstays and raised chainstays for better clearence whilst scuffing, a whole new front end configuration and gusset to give better clearence and a short front end to make it more whippy.
shaman (bobby fisher signature model)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/shaman.jpg)
this frame was designed for flatland/street riding. had pretty much an STA backend, the same headtube configuration as the TAO but a longer front end
cashius (luc-e signature frame)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/luc-e.jpg)
for all things street! was standards 'cheaper' frame with uncapped dropouts and built for thrashing around on. pretty much a
beefed up trls250. only available in yellow (luc-e's trademark colour) and black (for the cool kids)
trailboss/trls250/250S/250L
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/trls250.jpg)
trls250
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/250s.jpg)
250s
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/250l.jpg)
250L
the original trailboss was robbie morales idea. together with rick developed a frame specifically for the trails. single big jumps in the woods were a thing of the past and rythmn sections were in full flow so the sleeky race look but stonger was what people were looking for. basically an STA front end with a slightly beefed up motocross rear end was gen1. after robbo leaving standard to join up with the T1 crew one the progression, the trailboss was given a new identity for a couple of reasons and was given the name trls250. then in the new millenium got the use of the ox platinum air hardened tubing to balance things better and give a weight of 5lb 2ozs, late generations were realeased as the 250s, a beefed up version to better cope with the demands of riding street/park and then later a lightened version the 250L for 'non peg users' was released and weighed in at a remarkable 4lb 11ozs. subtle changes have happened along the way but still carries that original trail boss DNA.
the bullitt (rick moliterno signature model)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/bullitt.jpg)
designed for the 'refined rider', arguably this is the frame that gave birth to 'new school' with its angles and lengths whilst maintaing that 'mid school look. using ox platinum dubble butted air hardened tubing this frame weighs in at 5lb 2ozs, had its own unique dropouts (sleeker than the STA). the brake lugs were moved from the chainstays to underneath the seat stays to cater for the ever decreasing sprocket sizes. no headtube wraparound gusset, and a low standover height for a more compact frame
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/aa304/covphil/1363820125_l.jpg)
the man behind it all - rick moliterno
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nice info philbert
good one mate!
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great work bro arrrr the mother ship
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good homework mate 10/10
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great work,love it!!!! love these history lessons/reference.i do like standards! wonder how fast ricks mustang is?........should challenge him with mine :LolLolLolLol:
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nice one :daumenhoch:
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Thank You Phil :daumenhoch:
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A good old read there Phil dude, nice work that man :daumenhoch:
Always loved a Standard but could never afford one!
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all good phil :daumenhoch:
quality,
intregrity,
pride,
standard byke co - strongest motherfooking bikes on earth
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why the fook did they still make bykes with a toptube platform in 1994?
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Phil you do know you've put the SBC history in the S&M bikes section of RAd don't you? :daumenhoch:
anyway, that's some great work you've done there, I've only skimmed thru it, I'll be back for a better read tomorrow.
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:daumenhoch:
I've owned 2 Standards. A Bicycle Moto Cross and a 125R. Lovely bikes.
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I'd love a standard myself, however they cost loads and if i got one it'd look like i wanted to bum Phil, which I do, it's a fact, but I don't want it to be too obvious.
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2054/2287656386_929311eb61_o.jpg)
Not a Standard fan, but I always thought this was funny.
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Cool :daumenhoch:
Why did Schmidt leave?
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i think he wanted money and the ability to spend it faster than standard could make it .
but dont hold me to that sentence.
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I thought Krt Schmidt left to go to Uni and get a PHD?
And why did he drop the "u" from Kurt (and shouldn't he have also dropped the "i" in Schmidt for consistency)? Good job Rick was in charge otherwise the company would've been called Stndrd Bykes ;)
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or stndrd byks
:LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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Good spot, JT.
Maybe Krt's PHD was in the un-necessity of vowels in the English language ;)
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Yes K(u)rt is indeed a 'professor' now
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my boo boo, it was Bill Nitschke that left in 1992 as he was being lazy and wanting dosh without much effort.
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standard sta-first test
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/nimrod.jpg)
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Cool :daumenhoch:
Why did Schmidt leave?
the same reason everyone else left standard.
RICK.
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;D ;D ;D
Is he really that difficult to get along with?
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nitschke left in late 92 early 93ish mostly because of financial issues, remember he had Pulse products before standard, early standard pegs were very similar to his Pulse Pegs, and the money made from those and the HT axles and Roger's Garage had to be ploughed back to get standard up and running. I think Bill wanted money out, so left and started up Indy (this was the Krt S version of events)
In 93 they took on Tim Quade as a financial partner too. He could make amazing dolphin sounds, had a very wide penis (no I don't know this personally) and masturbated a lot. But it seemed a lot of people did in the SBC house. He went a bit fruit loop at a 94 BS contest somewhere and took off with the SBC van never to be seen again.
The first STA was debuted at the 93 BS finals in Chicago, with a fat stempad around one of the early Aheadset stems, Jeremy Verhulst rode it.
Initially the STA was sold as 1" headsets, and late 94 early 95 1 1/8 began to roll out. In 95 they started making ahead shorties and lengthies, (with some laughable tiny "gyro tabs", we had to knock them off with a chisel and file out the gyro bits for under the headset cup) Then when odyssey finally made OS gyros aheadsets became the norm.
Uh what else? Marco Massei from props was to credit for getting Standards to start using Waterford as their manufacturer, he was aware of them making the high end pro Schwinn racebikes in the 80s (which had some amazing tubing similarities to the bicycle motocross)... Oh yeah, first prototype bicyclemotocross frame was rolled out in October 93.
Phil was right about the birth of standard coming from Haro saying no thanks to the offer of Rick and Krt taking over the design side of Haro bikes. And just look at the shonk they came out with from 93 onwards!
It's funny how dated shorties and lengthies look now (and I understand why Gogo and the likes hated them back then, being DDHT types), but honestly the feeling of putting one of those frames together after enduring GT/bully/homeless tat for years was amazing. They were without a doubt the first QUALITY ROC BMX frames. So solid. I loved my purple lengthy (madam)
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Phil Dolan didn't seem to like his Shorty much. I'm sure he was carrying his newish frame around at Hastings or Southsea one year, trying to sell it.
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oh yeah, that was pretty funny. Standard sent a shorty to Ride to review (and hopefully send back). They were completely taken by surprise when ride announced in their review that they had flowed it to Phil to be a UK standard rider (?) and yeah, he didn't like it. But old pumpkin head never smiled much!!
Reminds me of the story about Phil and new era caps and pinheads and something........
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brought a mk1 Bullitt in from the states when they were released, loved it, and what Standard were doing. Sold it a good while ago and it was shipped back to the states!
nearly bought one of the mk2's (as shown)...but didnt
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Standard sent a shorty to Ride to review (and hopefully send back). They were completely taken by surprise when ride announced in their review that they had flowed it to Phil to be a UK standard rider (?)
Ride tested a standard frame (I think it was a lengthy) in 93ish. They were going to give it to a UK rider as a sponsorship deal, which I think Standard were involved in. Tim Ruck was doing a lot of work for Ride at that time and thanks to him, the frame was offered to me. Of course, I turned it down. I dont know who got the frame in the end.
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Standard sent a shorty to Ride to review (and hopefully send back). They were completely taken by surprise when ride announced in their review that they had flowed it to Phil to be a UK standard rider (?)
Ride tested a standard frame (I think it was a lengthy) in 93ish. They were going to give it to a UK rider as a sponsorship deal, which I think Standard were involved in. Tim Ruck was doing a lot of work for Ride at that time and thanks to him, the frame was offered to me. Of course, I turned it down. I dont know who got the frame in the end.
that was the one.. of course you turned it down because it was too short, not that you preferred welded cheese dropout frames made by a lawnchair manufacturer ;)
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oh yeah, that was pretty funny. Standard sent a shorty to Ride to review (and hopefully send back). They were completely taken by surprise when ride announced in their review that they had flowed it to Phil to be a UK standard rider (?) and yeah, he didn't like it. But old pumpkin head never smiled much!!
Reminds me of the story about Phil and new era caps and pinheads and something........
i remember phil having that chrome shorty. he was spending time between cardiff/bath/london for a few years dossing between family members. he happened to be down in cardiff when some of us were going to the bath bcr jam so we gave him a lift to the skatepark and he was heading on to a relatives after that. he did do some good stuff but you know when your not enjoying riding something. he was having a blast on the horrid jumpbox on it too. some nice tables and x ups on it . i put the video of the jam on youtube - type in- 1993 bath bcr jam
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on a vague related thread, got an email off hitchcox.. my 250L with custom engraving and OS headtube gusset is on its way from Davenport. YUMYUM!
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ooooopics when she arrives chris
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I ended up getting a Standard Lengthy a while after driving Krt, Tim, Chad and a v.young Joe Rich around the uk for a week. And I had it for . . ohh a few weeks. I wanted a bike that wouldn't break, but was tooooooo heavy!
What did I get instead? An old Dyno, which I got an engineer to re weld, shifting the seat stays back so, no platform, and were now long enough to run over the top of the new (fat one piece) dropouts, and a 'fill-in' headset gusset (a la standard). So, like a standard, but lighter. Lasted a very short while, til I twisted the back end fakieing up to an ice pick on a concrete wall.
Bit the bullet, got an S&M, what I shoulda in the first place eh A.L.? ;D
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I rode a lengthy for a year or so, didn't feel heavy to ride I thought with the short backend & short steep frontend . I liked it but the front was way too short really. I even had a 2nd hand shorty that I ride for about 2 weeks,, sold it on - even along side an 80s frame they were short as, haha - was fun to ride for a laugh. STAs and 250s were/are where its at - I've got a secondhand 250s today as it happens. I think the 250 standards are my favorite frames all in all. Standard were the first to do a nice short backend and its standard(pun inteneded :P) on more or less all those light modern frames to be short as in the rear. Standards are nicly made but not unbreakable. Most kids who ride these days cry about weight ;D bunch of girls, light bikes are easy to chuck round but they will snap easy as, haha.
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I have had two standards, a casi??? can't spell it, the luc'e sig frame, and a ox plat 250s..
I remember one of the lads we used to.. well infact still do ride with brought a Standard shorty years ago, being younger and always on the wind up we convinced him it was a fake, told him it need a Standard 'stamp' on it and it didn't have one...
couple days later he was riding a haro or something, told us he sent the Standard back :shocked:
sorry Ibbo.....
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heres my current rider.
I think she's a bicyclemotocross/older 125.
21.25, 10mm drops and ad mounts on the chainstays
it looks strange when i stand it next to the modern scooter frames.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e385/sutty24incher/standard.jpg)
sutty
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sweet sutty
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it looks strange when i stand it next to the modern scooter frames.
sutty
strange=better :daumenhoch:
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have you style cats seen this?
http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=168623 (http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=168623)
(see what i did there??)
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i'm lost for words!
i honestly don't know what to say.
there's some stuff in that thread that made me chuckle though.
wonder when production models will be out
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i'd be so chuffed if they made a comeback,
check the old bicyclemotocross fame in the background :smitten:
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errr, forgot what i was going to say
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This whole thread started really well but just kinda fizzled out. Not much to see now.
Ironic that it was a thread about Standard Bykes >:D :LolLolLolLol:
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up yer bum alex!
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pwnd!
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pwnd!
surely you're older than me Gogo? What the hell does that mean?? I feel like an Uncle in white slip-ons trying to dance to drum n bass these days.
Back on topic. Watch this space for some lovely new SBCage.
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S&MAlex & myself were chating at the xmas do about standard bykes, I was saying that I used to be diehard standard, but in all honesty I felt that they had stop progressing.. it just seemed (to me anyhow) that they were not improving or pushing they frame/parts technolgy, while everyone else was, including S&M !!
I'd check their webpage on occassion to see if they'd 'caught up' as I would love to go back to them and again, run only standard!
well, by the looks of things this may well happen :daumenhoch:
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surely you're older than me Gogo?
surely you must be joking? :2funny:
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i'm 36.............. i dunno. you're timeless, it's the handplant kickturns.. ;)
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Well, I've made the jump to a modern bike, when I say modern I ment to say a 2000 Trail 250. Picked it up today...
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscl.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscx.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtsci.jpg)
...I now need to get a set of big bars... my back isn't what it was ;)
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hell ye nice ride
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Well, I've made the jump to a modern bike, when I say modern I ment to say a 2000 Trail 250. Picked it up today...
:2funny:
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i'm 36.............. i dunno. you're timeless, it's the handplant kickturns.. ;)
i turned 35 last munf.
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Well, I've made the jump to a modern bike, when I say modern I ment to say a 2000 Trail 250. Picked it up today...
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscl.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscx.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtsci.jpg)
...I now need to get a set of big bars... my back isn't what it was ;)
first refusal on the bars ron?
i'll chuck a set of trails 250 stickers in too ;)
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Well, I've made the jump to a modern bike, when I say modern I ment to say a 2000 Trail 250. Picked it up today...
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscl.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtscx.jpg)
(http://images.fotopic.net/yvtsci.jpg)
...I now need to get a set of big bars... my back isn't what it was ;)
first refusal on the bars ron?
i'll chuck a set of trails 250 stickers in too ;)
No probs Joe, got any big bars?
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if we're getting our standards out,
heres mine,
standard bykes 125bmx
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_8213.jpg)
standard bykes sta ox-plat
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/DSC03981.jpg)
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:)
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i'm 36.............. i dunno. you're timeless, it's the handplant kickturns.. ;)
i turned 35 last munf.
dammit!!
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back on topic. my custom 250L is between zeal and my house, and lo and behold.. a new standard frame too........
checkez le link
http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=169008 (http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=169008)
toot toot!
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back on topic. my custom 250L is between zeal and my house, and lo and behold.. a new standard frame too........
checkez le link
http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=169008 (http://www.bikeguide.org/forums/showthread.php't=169008)
toot toot!
hey chris,
do you have a bikeguide account?
would you post the 2 standards i've done in the bike gallery please dude?
just interested what folk on there think,
i'd do it myself but i got banned :LolLolLolLol:
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hey chris,
do you have a bikeguide account?
would you post the 2 standards i've done in the bike gallery please dude?
just interested what folk on there think,
i'd do it myself but i got banned :LolLolLolLol:
oh noooo i just stalk it and chuckle at the cluelessness, i don't want to get involved in the lightside!!
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think i'm a uk brotherhood member eh laz? remember this girl im grinding? christ high or what i used to do the entire length of the wall till the council shut the spot :idiot2:! last in dirt jumping koc 95 i think cheers dennis ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c160/risetothunder/90s001.jpg)
where did all them parts go? alberts? super pros? dx's? megabrake? still got some of them or phil stokebloke has :daumenhoch:
the black one is the green one i had it repowdered
superfork combo, kink sex drive sprocket, wish i kept the packet. i still have the sprocket think its going on the dirt bike unless a 21" 250 turns up??????????????
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i meant jumping out of the snake run :LolLolLolLol:
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ok my 250L is in a box. next door.. and they work funny shifts :crazy2: pics when i can!
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new, but mid=flavour, and nice and blue.. i like!
try and get a more focused pic of engraved dropout when it's light..
i'll build it eventually!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3911.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3912.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3913.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3915.jpg)
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Ohhh, thats nice. Love the engraving in the headtube. Nice to see chain stay 990 mounts too.
It does look very 90s, really clean and tidy. Its even got solid dropouts! :daumenhoch:
I still get confused with standard frames all being called the same thing. Is this a new one? :crazy2:
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i dunno if it is the "250 lite!" i think it's just a 2008 in-house standard 250L, with the 90s custom features! wait til i get a macneil 330 seatpost for it! ordered some chrome UK/RAd bars and forks too.. may even get tanwall odysseys.. last bike build ever i swear!!
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think i'm a uk brotherhood member eh laz? remember this girl im grinding? christ high or what i used to do the entire length of the wall till the council shut the spot :idiot2:! last in dirt jumping koc 95 i think cheers dennis ;D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c160/risetothunder/90s001.jpg)
where did all them parts go? alberts? super pros? dx's? megabrake? still got some of them or phil stokebloke has :daumenhoch:
the black one is the green one i had it repowdered
superfork combo, kink sex drive sprocket, wish i kept the packet. i still have the sprocket think its going on the dirt bike unless a 21" 250 turns up??????????????
I'll always associate you with that bike Al! :smitten:
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new, but mid=flavour, and nice and blue.. i like!
try and get a more focused pic of engraved dropout when it's light..
i'll build it eventually!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3911.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3912.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3913.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g209/christhejob/250%20l/IMG_3915.jpg)
Can i come round and rub my c0ck on it Chris?
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some standard stuff for the thread :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10529.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319792.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319790.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319782.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319772.jpg)
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fookin ell chris that 250L is beautiful
fookin ell, rick lent me that camo black STA to ride whilst we were out there. been thinking about replicating it on a frame. nice to see that add again
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just get it on a new STA phil!
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groundchuck! :LolLolLolLol:
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i'd had a hiatus off the lengthy on a hoffman taj for about 6 months but sold the taj to get to koc. then one of john taylor's mates had the lengthy off me about and i got a next gen db after that, then i got a challenger, then i got an STA which was too heavy and stiff, but unquestionably STRONGER THAN ALL.
i never had a TRAIL BOSS which was the one i always really wanted,, not cuz i liked robbo but cuz it was what jimmy levan did the austin church gap on, i met him that year at bike whatever year it was (piffed up) just after road fools one, i bought it there(rf1) and thats defo the best mid school video ever. 2nd style cats. or props 6 (krt scmidt interview) sick backwards stuff new school pioneer in the early 90s its all been done new guys!
if any of you geezers has a 21 trail boss or 250 going giz a shout :daumenhoch:
laz you owe me a favour still :LolLolLolLol:
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i have a 250 somewhere ,if i fooked up the downtube might be fooked so hang fast.
im going in the workshop in the morning.
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There is a Trail 250 for sale on OS BMX...
http://www.os-bmx.com/forums/index.php'showtopic=36537 (http://www.os-bmx.com/forums/index.php'showtopic=36537)
$100 with stem and bars ;)
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nice gotta be a 21 or greater brother i'm 6'2" in docs :LolLolLolLol:
those new ones look good tho and i if can get one in my standard green with red mark one stickers eh laz? :smitten:
should be able to, better see what mr hitchcox says.
i'll still have the shed inhabitant tho mr harris if its rideable :daumenhoch:
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just dug the standard out its an s 20.75 tt and its beaten half to death.the down tube has been used as a hammer and rear chain stays have had grind action
so worth giving a miss tbh plus its too short.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_5354.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_5353.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_5355.jpg)
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a early ad and a interesting read. my favorite part is the quote about the weight. proper mid school lol :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10717.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10732.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10734.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10735.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10736.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10738.jpg)
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i aint got that one mr condor thats sweet
:smitten: nice mohawk ad u sneeked in too
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I'd be interested to see pictures of the rollercam front brake setup mentioned above....?
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I'd be interested to see pictures of the rollercam front brake setup mentioned above....?
As far as I know, it was the same as the Hutch roller cam front brake. Similar to a pitbull but the cam had a "U" shape on the back of the cam. The the cable fed down the forks, clamping on one side of the "U", the other side was on the outside of the forks, on the back of the Cam. (There is probably someone on here who knows about the Old School Huch one. Woody Itson used them.) I heard they worked well but were a bitch to set up, and a right pain of you wanted to take off your forks or stem.
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Since we're talking of front brakes and Standards, this probably just about fits in here. Not sure how you could mod this for a front brake, but this is the daddy of rim-crushing brakes:
(http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/images/mtb/rotary.jpg)
interloc racing design - rotary brake
"The rim-crusher of cable-actuated brakes. Mounts on u-brake pivots, but instead of the standard u-brake design, the arms dont quite reach each other, and have rollers mounted on the tip of each of them - one of which is larger, pinned off-center, and has a cable running around it. this provides the mechanical advantage of this brake, and quite a mechanical advantage it is! At one time, this brake was rated above even rollercams in wet and dry stopping power, if you believe magazine tests. from the brake boss down, they're largely the same as the ird u-brake (except beefier)."
Cribbed it from this page:
http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/mtb.html (http://www.blackbirdsf.org/brake_obscura/mtb.html)
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that bike looks dialled.
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Wow great info ive just figured out that i have a standard sta platinum which is good i thought it was a regular sta ive just finished building it up for the skatepark/dirt riding its a great mutipurpose bike just need some original platinum stickers for it. I wont hold my breath in finding some but if anyone can help then send me a pm cheers.
Also i cant wait for this years old fools road trip and racing again a Hersden see you there
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so who's ridden for standard over the years,
rick moliterno
joe rich
taj mihelich
robbie morales
jeremy verhulst
isaac Mcree
any more?????
feel free to add!!
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are the uk boys actually standard riders
rob ridge
mike oconnell
mason smith
james hitchcox
karl pentlow
steve o
drainer
martin tabbling
paul bromfield
ian hanscombe
tommy the man bowers
pill
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No sure if its his real name but did Luc E ride for standard i think he has a cashius ??? :D
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uk wise
rob ridge
mike o'connell
hitchcox
martin tambling
anthony pearson
these are the present crop!
of old there is also
phil dolan
mason smiths shop distributed them so he rode them
sandy carson
chris mahoney
anthony pill
scott malyon
dylan worsley
some dude who i can't remember but from way back in the early 90's! chris job will get it?!
drainer
tim byrns
are on the 63army flow
as for the us riders i'll get into that tomorrow. i'm off for a night out!
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Dave Feimuth
Jim Reinstra maybe?
Joe Hurlbert (sp)
Paul Osika
They're the only ones aside from the obvious that I used to look forward to their sections :)
Lets not leave out Sandy Carson though eh?
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No sure if its his real name but did Luc E ride for standard i think he has a cashius ??? :D
oh yes,
how could we not mention luc-E engelbert :smitten:
street free-coaster pioneer :daumenhoch:
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Aye :daumenhoch:
I liked his section in Face Value a lot :)
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Chad D'fruit! :daumenhoch:
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remember the other uk rider, chris young
on the us roll call:
jerry bagley
brennan brown
mel cody
chad degroot
john (luc-e) englebert
bobby fisher
dave freimuth
mark (gonz) gonzales
chase gouin
tom haugen
mark hilson
jimmy levan
taj mihelich
robbie morales
mark murphy
paul osicka
kevin porter
brandon (punjab) pundai
joe rich
jim reinstra
jeremy verhulst
brian vowell
john (ratboy) rigley
billy graham
jeremiah jones
drew york
john paul rodgers
ian platt
dan seig
jaimy spritzer
benny polaschek
jonah lidberg
russel wadlin
fred debeve
michael brencato
seaton spratt
don brentise
greg litecky.
sorry if i've missed any!
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dont suppose these count as in house
rick Moliterno, Krt Schmidt, and Bill Nitschke ???
well they all deserve a mention .
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i meant to put them at the bottom of that list under their own sub heading and forgot!
what a spaz i am
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Ratboy rules!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjko78uLjE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjko78uLjE)
shit! I want to ride after watching that :daumenhoch:
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Ratboy rules!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjko78uLjE (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjko78uLjE)
shit! I want to ride after watching that :daumenhoch:
That was quality :daumenhoch:
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:shocked: awesome
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i liked that rocket xup icepick grind on that rail :daumenhoch:
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Have any of you lot seen that cool sta platinum ox frame on ebay its finished in custom harley davidson chopper orange with harley logos on it Damn its cool and only £80? Well I have because i put it there its making way for a NOS s&m sabbath coooool :coolsmiley:
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i did take a ganders :daumenhoch:
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This seems good on this thread:
Whatever Happened To Standard?
A look at the ups and downs behind SBC
By: Brian Tunney
http://espn.go.com/action/bmx/blog?post=3849450
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well, that was 45 totally uninformative seconds of my life wasted reading that!!! ;)
i want the real joooooce behind the fallouts!
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rick would shag a buttonhole in a fur coat and tried it on with all the riders girlfriends, giving him the nickname 'molesterno'.
allegedly.
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rick would shag a buttonhole in a fur coat and tried it on with all the riders girlfriends, giving him the nickname 'molesterno'.
allegedly.
sweeeeeeeeeeet!
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Taken from october 85 issue of BMXPlus!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/kk42/fouronethreeoh/random/P2120002.jpg't=1234443153)
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remember the other uk rider, chris young
on the us roll call:
jerry bagley
brennan brown
mel cody
chad degroot
john (luc-e) englebert
bobby fisher
dave freimuth
mark (gonz) gonzales
chase gouin
tom haugen
mark hilson
jimmy levan
taj mihelich
robbie morales
mark murphy
paul osicka
kevin porter
brandon (punjab) pundai
joe rich
jim reinstra
jeremy verhulst
brian vowell
john (ratboy) rigley
billy graham
jeremiah jones
drew york
john paul rodgers
ian platt
dan seig
jaimy spritzer
benny polaschek
jonah lidberg
russel wadlin
fred debeve
michael brencato
seaton spratt
don brentise
greg litecky.
sorry if i've missed any!
Corey Martinez I think.
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Whats happend to standards website? just seems to link to some porn sites :-\
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hacked i cant get on either my lappy keeps putting up a warning.
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Their blog seems to be OK....
http://www.standardbyke.com/blog/ (http://www.standardbyke.com/blog/)
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did they ever make a lenthy with a open and bridged bb/chainstay join like the sta's only mine has that but no plate gussets on the top and down tube and is not the ox version so very confused atm.
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Anyone know at a glance if this is a STA?
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=109610.0
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not an sta.
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Thats what i thought,what is it?
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Serial No- CO 5044,can anyone decipher this?
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Have an answer from SBC,made in March 05.
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A bit of custom work on video...
http://vimeo.com/10303245 (http://vimeo.com/10303245)
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/320650_10150301872706048_165351091047_7931842_73950315_n.jpg)
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nice info philbert
good one mate!
his is a great thread and I`d like to add some info to it. Great pictures of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen frames ,but it should be clarified that thoughs are all waterford frames. The 1st waterfords came out in 93 and continued until mid 2007. Before this in 1992 Standard had the very 1st prototype frames built by a company called Southwick Machine. Southwick made 8 prototype frames and of the 8 only two are still known to exist, also in 1992 after Southwick came the Gardner built Shorty & lengthy frames which were given to factory riders about 200 of these frames total were made.
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I'd be interested to see pictures of the rollercam front brake setup mentioned above....?
As far as I know, it was the same as the Hutch roller cam front brake. Similar to a pitbull but the cam had a "U" shape on the back of the cam. The the cable fed down the forks, clamping on one side of the "U", the other side was on the outside of the forks, on the back of the Cam. (There is probably someone on here who knows about the Old School Huch one. Woody Itson used them.) I heard they worked well but were a bitch to set up, and a right pain of you wanted to take off your forks or stem.
This is Rick Moliternos Prototype roller cam brake fork from 1992 I purchased it directly from Rick. The only thing that is stock about the brake is the arms which are Suntour. Everything that secretly makes this brake work was custom built and machined one off. The brake works flawlessly and much better than a 990. My guess that what killed it`s design is the fabrication of the custom pieces. The fork looks shiny in the picture of Ricks complete bike a few posts above this because it was new, the fork was always raw and unpainted so obviously over time alittle surface rust has formed. Yes the brake is tricky to set up LOL
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some standard stuff for the thread :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/SDC10529.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319792.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319790.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319782.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/hh166/adamdawson/P7319772.jpg)
This is Paul Osicka`s Prototype TAO that`s in the Standard ad. I purchased the frame directly form Rick Moliterno , the frame has a different top tube length than the production frames and is also factory brakeless unlike the production frames which came with 990 mounts.
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Holy thread resurrection Batman!
Prototypes are 8)
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Holy thread resurrection Batman!
Prototypes are 8)
I`m trying :2funny: