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Events => Events => Topic started by: Stodgy on July 20, 2009, 02:30 PM
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We had a chat about this over the weekend and wanted to know your thoughts.
Do you feel that Winners (1st, 2nd & 3rd) of MK Show & Shine should be allowed to win in future S&S comps?
This question seems to polarise people. I see it a few ways:
YES
If they are the best and still the best next time around then they deserve to win regardless.
NO
They have won before, give someone else a chance.
YES, WITH CHANGES
The best just got better with some significant changes (not just brake cables!)
What do you think?
Vote and comments please.
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I know we are just a humble Burner show.. but the ruling we adopted at the Burner Bash that all WINNERS are retired from the Show & Shine.
'Runners Up' are then allowed to battle it out once more and aim for the big prize. :daumenhoch:
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are you saying the winners or the bikes?
not that it matters but there did seem a lot of mods winning the prizes..... pls. dont shoot me down, only an observation.
personally I dont think it matters too much as long as the same bikes dont win again... (but then again if PK Radman and Quadpete didnt bring their collections the show would be half the size.... not that they won anything)
thanks for the cuddle on saturday stodgey made my day.... :2funny:
oh and stick me down for the SE Big Ripper we spoke about.....
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I think they should, if a bar is raised it should be able to defend its title. Its a competition, cant think of any other competition were the winner cant come back to defend a title. Surerly this is how builds are made to even better levels ???
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YES, WITH CHANGES
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hmm
i guess I am split on this one
is it a little condesending to other competitors to award a first for all the hard work to bikes who havent gone against last years winner ,but can see that if a bike has won is it fair to win again,I guess life is like that and i for one maybe dont want to go all special needs ,to give people a chance by removing from the show lAST YEARS WINNER
maybe the reason why the standard has risen every year is because you go against the best bikes in the uk
however expanding categorys and awarding comendations as we did this year ,is more inclusive and spreads the love
good idea to air ir and see what the opinion is
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are you saying the winners or the bikes?
not that it matters but there did seem a lot of mods winning the prizes..... pls. dont shoot me down, only an observation.
The individual bikes, not the builder.
Hmmmm, mods winning the prizes. The owner doesn't come in to it, the bikes with the correct look and correct era parts win the prizes - if they happen to be the owned by Mods then that's because they built the best bikes. There is no favouritism in judging - I think the bikes prove that.
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okey dokey - point well made. as i said only an observation...
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i think you should be allowed to enter again even if you won the previous year,as for the bikes that took top honours this year stidds-monkey biscuits etc
they were incredible builds and should be able to defend there titles,the standard keeps getting better and these builds will keep us all on out toes :daumenhoch:
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As a newbie to S&S I think that the Mid School category was too broad this year. I know it was said that it was to fall inline with the USA but I still can't see how bikes from 87/88/89 can go up against the popular S&M & Standard Bykes dominating the "Mid School" Category all the way up to 1999ish. Perhaps a clearer reason would assist me in understanding - there's got to be more to it than "because the yanks do it" surely, then again I may be wrong... to me late 80's bikes are sooo different to 90's bikes and aren't indicative of Mid School at all.
The Judges have a heck of a job - there are so many awesome bikes and it's difficult to see why one would win over another. If it's not too much trouble perhaps the judges could explain to us newbies to S&S what they're looking for. For example - would a class winning bike have to be completely NOS, and rechromed/repainted etc. (I don't envy those judges for sure!)
If previous winning bikes were to be excluded how about a special "Hall of Fame" area for previous winners? That would still give the owners some huge kudos for their efforts in previous years and the rest of us something to aspire to. Those bikes could still be in contention for Mods Awards or Best of Show perhaps but not class awards.
Personally I don't enter to win cos I love my bikes anyhow and just want to give them some sunshine & fresh air at least, but I do want to know what I can do to improve my builds if I wanted to contend even with one bike entered. BOTM is a good guide and so is feedback on RAD but we don't get to choose the winners at MK. Getting a "Highly Commended" this year was PURE STOKE - it also demonstrated to me that the S&S wasn't an "Inner Circle" thing won by the same bods every year but that everybody had a shot at getting some recognition - which lets face it - secretly everybody enjoys.
Whatever happens I'll still lineup a few bikes next year regardless of the rules as I'm sure others will.
I also plan to bring along a very rusty old Grifter ;)
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I've won 3 trophy's in the last 2 years (thank you ;)) and personally I wouldn't bring the same bikes to enter anyway, I put them to bed after that and move on. But that's because I just grab a few each year and tend to theme what I bring. This year unrestored bikes that have had no work. I wolud bring the lot though if I was a bit more organised so I just travel light. But if you bring the whole displays worth year by year with some previous winning bikes showing up again it's not cut n dried it'll win. Trends change, judges change. Some sneaky bugger may show up with a secret show queen, you never know what is going to happen. And if it has won, it's won for a reason, that it still stood out as the best. There's no point penalising a bike and something else winning by default.
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Fair point about the Mid-School years.
I must say I agree...to me the categories should be
Vintage - 70s
Old School - 80 - 89
Mid School - 90 - 99
New School - 00 - 09
But we have fallen in line with the US after cristism in previous years that we shouldn't include AD990 mount bikes in the Mid-School section and that we shouldn't include bike with a 1 1/8" headset in Mid-School.
With regards to what we are looking for - it's quite simple; First and foremost they have to be Era correct, then they have to look 'right'. This doesn't mean the most expensive parts, but the right parts for that bike.
The biggest thing that lets down builds are grips and tyres (lots of Ame grips with the new logo and rainbow comp III's), we all know why these options are choosen, but when it comes down to the best of the best, they are the things that define a winner.
About the only thing we turn a blinkered eye to is repro-padsets, stickers and paint/chrome. However if there are two near identical builds but one has an original padset, then it would win over the other.
Judging a S&S is so difficult and it's important to be objective and not just subjective. For example, I'm not keen on Nomura's, but a Nomura took top honors this year because it was right.
Anyhow, for 2010 we will produce a complete list of what we are looking for.
We have avoided this in the past so as not to put people off entering their bikes - we want them all there as they have all had masses of time and effort put in to them, and it's great to see and reward everyones builds. That's why we've introduced the 'Highly Commended' awards.
We also believe that it's not about the winning, but being part of the biggest display of OS bikes this side of the Atlantic. We should all be proud that we are keeping the history of BMX alive.
We are always open to ideas and suggestions - so please keep them coming.
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Judging the bikes must be a nightmare when there are so many bikes covering such a variety of manufacturers.
You need to be an 'expert' in EVERY era / manufacturer and model to get things perfect.
For example... 2 Chrome Aero Pro's lined up 2 bikes apart... one was 99.9% factory spec (and the only Aero Pro in existence with a set of NOS correct colour decals) the other had a painted Stem, wrongly coloured decals and the wrong seat clamp... guess which one was awarded a 'Highly Recommended' medal... ;) :D
Impossible job and not something I would want to do!!! so well done guys.. :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch: :daumenhoch:
On the whole I think the judges got things spot on... and its all about opinions :daumenhoch:
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I entered the show and shine for the first time this year knowing that my bike was not quite how it should be with the wrong crank in it but still got a trophy will get the correct crank when one comes up, if you are not too careful people will not enter their bikes because they no that they have not got the right parts on them I still like to see all the builds because people build bikes how they would have had them back in the day, I like the idea of the hall of fame whats the point of changing bikes that were spot on to start with, you would just be changing them so you could enter them again and if you were not prepared to do that they would not get bought along next time
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Crooch, you can be one of the judges next year then.
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I dont think that new school should be in it at all :yahoo_silent:
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Happy to :smitten:
I did say it was only an observation. Sorry not a boat rocker.
Personally i'd be happy to help in anyway. You only have to ask.
And if there was a New School Section - I'd Enter One.
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It very hard to be involved ,with bikes in the contest , Its the reason i stepped away from the show and shine panel so to speak a couple of years ago
i used to judge ,and couldnt enter a bike and feel happy that people would yell fix
and its so hard to judge so many bikes in a few hours that there will always be people who dont agree with the judges desisions
We dont want to exclude anyone ,as its not all about an elitest attitude but an inclusive display of the history of BMX, plus at a free event we rely on this fee to show support for the event sad but true i am afraid
The rules have developed from the early show and shines at events alan used to organise , change the judges to get a different perspective and try to be fair and honest. Although we started with a points system but felt it was too strict and regimented and would exclude entries
You look for era correct parts , rare and hard to find parts,something different and the overall feel for the bike has to be right ( in the opinion of the judges that year) plus work or the stories behind the bike itself and a lot of people would not know enough as beard has pointed out, so the judges have to have knowledge and expirience to be able to do the job
I and all of you strive for the bike that you build to be nice , and be recognised as such,so I am sure we can develop and improve the s&s to reflect the building S&S variety
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its all gettin a lil confusing ... for me personaly im happy for the winning bike to be excluded the following year that way it will give others the chance to shine .. the title holder will still be able to defend his crown but will have to breath new fire... :daumenhoch:
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It was my first year for show and shine, my mid school i pulled out of the show to race on, i don't think the judging had been done by then.
My Old school Kuwi Nova was never going to win as it didn't shine but it was a complete survivor right down to the stickers and chrome, the bike was basically built up of standard stuff as per bike. I bought it to show people rather than wow them.
I'd be happy if people bought the same bikes again and entered them cause i know i will.
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That's the right idea Andy. i bring the same 3 bikes every year, i chop them about a bit, but i'm not expecting to win anything for me it's more about them being there and me paying my tenner to help fund the event.
That said though some people have spent a lot of time and money doing their bikes and if there seemed to be a lot of bikes that were voted for that were rad team bikes then that's because they brought what was in the judges opinions the best bikes.
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Gotta say its a really hard task judging, and I knew that no matter what was picked, someone would take issue with it.
Dont think that it was done casually, it took hours, with loads of re thinking, crossing outs, and general worry.
And no matter which bike was eventually picked, its was always going to be just an opinion.
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I think most people are just after a general guide of what the judges are looking for , and alot of people just get the pleasure of showing there bikes and getting feedback from the others at the show .. To win a trophy is nice but i enjoy hearing what people have to say about my builds , good or bad ...
I do like the idea of a hall/tent of fame for previous winners ..... and breath new life into it to re-enter
Roll on MK 10 ....
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anyone wanna buy a Nomura ! ;) ;D
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You need to be an 'expert' in EVERY era / manufacturer and model to get things perfect.
For example... 2 Chrome Aero Pro's lined up 2 bikes apart... one was 99.9% factory spec (and the only Aero Pro in existence with a set of NOS correct colour decals) the other had a painted Stem, wrongly coloured decals and the wrong seat clamp... guess which one was awarded a 'Highly Recommended' medal...
I know you arent having a go, but just to answer, both the "Mods Choice" and the commendation medals, were not all about being era correct, that was left to the main show winners. The commendations were just an extra acknowledgement of either a paricular nice feature, idea, or just a generally good looking bike in our humble opinions.
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I've always been confused over the choice of the 'Best in Show'. Surely it should be the best of the class winners. Any chance this could happen for MK 10?
G.
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my thoughts:
first, my Nomura came 2nd in the OS Race Section last year, I made some significant changes, and well...you know the rest
second, Radmans bikes win something every year, if you could not show a bike that had won before he wouldn't have a bike in the comp..
so....I would say that a bike that had been re-vamped could be entered in the next year, but how do you keep track of parts?
lastly, anyone got a Vector Freestyle Unlimited ? I want one for the 'crack' ! ;)
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I might be way off here but I don't get what all the fuss is about?
Do people who build bikes do so just to win a prize? Surely not??
For me the whole spirit of the event is show all the builds good or bad, let people see them
And who cares about winning........if we all looked at our builds and thought that it'll never win so I won't bother
We'd end up with about 30 bikes to look at.
For me all are welcome and those people who do the judging do a bloomin great job that I for
One don't envy
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Hi all
Hope the following may help, and Pickle pretty much sums it up.
I have been out of the BMX scene for a couple of years now with a look in every now and again and had a great time on Saturday, partly because of the displays, non commercial vibe and great atmosphere.
A S&S is just that, and no way should bikes that have been entered before be excluded whether they have won before or not - what happens if a bike is sold?
I have been into VW's again for a while and have won two great and special awards this year.
I was not expecting anything at either events but was very pleased for the vehicle being recognised and acknowledged as that is the only reason I wanted to display it. (Surely this should be the same for BMX).
I will no longer be in a show / concours whilst the item is in my ownership, that is my decision and choice. My VW was Judged by staff from Camper & Bus (a Volksworld mag) at Big Bang - a show were Judges choose what they like and appreciate, and then also won Concours at Stanford Hall.
The Stanford win I am very happy about as the judging is split into 7 sections with 20 points each - so a maximum score can be reached of 140 points. The sections are paint and panels, exterior trim, wheels and tyres, underbody, interior, luggage compartment, engine and engine compartment. You can also recieve penalty points - not licensed, trailered in, ill fitting or unsuitable accessories, missing toolkit etc. A similar thing could be done within BMX.
An interesting thing about Stanford is that the best of group / catorgory then go forward the following year and battle it out in the Super Class.
So you would have a Super Class were previous winners all battle it out, and the other bikes all battle it out for Best in Group to get into the Super Class Arena the following year.
Detials below.
http://www.stanfordhallvw.co.uk/concours.htm
I think most Concours run similarly.
Great bikes though, great show, great company, and great times, so thanks.
J.
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I think you lot got the judging about right. Must be hard
I would agree on the mid-school thing though. If an 87 Master, an 87 GT PFT Team or an 87 RL20II had won it the S&M and Standard owners would have been puzzled.
God knows how you sort it out though.
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Show us ya van then greentoad :4_17_5:
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It's not an easy task, it took the three of us a good four hours of solid hunting and discussion, working our way through the different bikes on display. Then getting together and debating our finds.
It's the attention to detail. There were bikes in my top 2 early on in various classes that i had to drop later after close scrutiny due to the wrong tyres or reproduction parts. When you're up against bikes like those that won the class you can't expect the judges to turn a blind eye to your rainbow label comp 3 or your late Ame grips when someone else has gone to the trouble of sourcing a pair of yellow label comp 2 or 3. I know it's anal but that's the nature of the beast.
A couple of things we were very short on this year were Mid skool and retro. Some of what i'd consider Mid skool bikes were labeled up as OS and would have had a better chance in the mid, late Masters, mongoose and such.
All that points stuff would take to long but i do like the idea of a master class :daumenhoch:
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If the same bike keeps on winning, then all the competition need's to pull it's socks up. I cant see eliminating bikes/competitors for next year being a step forwards.
The only sport I can think of that penalizes the best competitors is Golf with it's handicap system, I for one wouldn't want to try and figure out some sort of handicap system for show n shine. But that is perhaps the only solution, that would seem any way near fair.
Well done you won....don't come back.......that isn't inspiring me to build a bike :-\
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Its a pointless debate, its like stopping Boff from racing just because he won last year. If you want to win, build a better bike, simples ::)
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Well said Bob :daumenhoch: and Ratty too for that matter !
Despite my bloody Curtis Cruiser not winning (with the correct grips and tyres) :LolLolLolLol:
and I will continue to race novice until I bloody win :2funny:
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even with the bribes of man loving mine never even got a medal :'( ;D
oh and after my performance on sunday looks like i'll be in the novice next year to :2funny:
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As Tony said, in any competition a winner should be able to defend their title, if peeps want to win then step yo game up :daumenhoch:
Show n Shine for me was purely about getting my first build in and showing a bike that there aint many of, it looked nice, was never gonna win owt but as a tribute to Stephen Murray it was a labour of love and i'm glad it was built in time.
It'll be back next year with all the others hopefully as a display and if i win anything it's a bonus, if not hey ho :daumenhoch:
Leave things as they are, if it aint broke dont fix it :-*
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I think the best way of proving yourself whether it be S&S or racing is continuing to race or show against the best until you ARE the best, then it is up to people to beat you.
When I started racing back in the 80's, I was getting my a$$ handed to me on a plate every week by the best riders, so I worked harder everyday until I became the one everyone had to beat. That is progression.
Last year my DeCoster came 2nd in its class, I knew that I had work to do and changed every part except for rims, frame and stem. This year it came 2nd again and I need to find a way of changing it so that it is better than Waxintaxin's Quadangle next year, how? I have absolutely no idea but THAT is the fun of concours competitions. I would not deam my bike the best if Rich doesn't show his bike next year, I will just be best by default and that is no fun at all.
But then again what do I know? ;)
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Hi all, me and my wife show our army of OS Puch's not under any illusion that we are going to win but purely because just like the high end bikes our bikes are part of BMX history too. To exclude previous winning bikes would be like saying that if a horse wins a race he cannot enter that race again. The bar has been set with some truly awesome and inspiring builds and if we want to be best in catergory/show then we know what we have to do. It must be a daunting task for the judges to decide which is the best when you have so many near identical Haro's/Rippers/Quad's etc.
As for next years s and s we are already planning our new build, the Puch's will still be there (oh yes), but the new build will be a bit special, we have the f and f, and big ideas. We echo mrs ratty, if it aint broke, don't fix it.
On a last note, with regards to repro "OS" bikes, how can they be judged, surely they will all have correct spec to the letter because they are all brand new, never ridden? Just a thought.
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I won 2 trophys this year and got a commendation and to me this was fantastic and really made me proud , and as i entered them into a competition , however mellow i expect it to be competative.
Its funny , My floval got 1st in the cruiser class last year and as soon as i saw Matts GHP and Nicks Curtis and tbo a few others as well i knew i was in for a fight it was a lovely resto and a well deserved winner , i was well happy for Matt because i know what he has done and the attention to detail was awsome.
The loopy quad was new this year and had not shown anyone it till MK , and I was incredibly happy with it, however i knew that Seans decoster was serious competition and would have been perfectly happy if it had won,tbo i chose it as the admins choice in the absence of Dave or Billy so you can see i liked it lol I also know that he was of the same opinion only in reverse
so i guess my point is that while our show and shines remain happy mellow affairs where no one crys or screams because someone beat them then its all good and its worthy of the rad name
if it gets all nasty or moany then perhaps we should change it
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I would say that it's perfectly fine for any previoous bikes to be entered, whether they are changed or not.
I entered an S&M Dirtbike that Id sweated over this year - minty and all NOs parts apart fromthe restored frame and forks.
It didnt win any medals or prizes, as it was built a few days before the event [ hence the sweat!] .. and after selling loads and loads of bits, I thought Id saved myself some NOS Ame grips ... turns out I had one pair of Ames left , and they were the later model ones!
So I thoght - thisll probably go against me but what the heck? I LOVE this bike, and wanted to show it off as I doubt i'll bring it next year.
[ I brought my Purple PK and chorme Holmes last year, and wanted to bring something new]
so ... the things about my Dirtbike were the late grips being wrong ... and also I had some metal work done on the frame. It was battered, so Geoff cain restored its beauty, and also de - lugged it to make it like my favourite dirtbike of that era , with a pitbull brke and pitbull lever. [92 - 94 I think]
the bars were Alex Leech's early woody itson shape S&M slam Bars, and I even found NOs gt cranks and NOs odyssey Sprocket Pocket!-
Around this time yo could choose whether to have ad lugs or not, so I felt totally cool in doing so - and the finished resut im SO proud of!
I was a little saddened it didnt get any recognition at all, but there were some bloody amazing bikes there this year, and it was an honour to squeeze my two offerings amongst alex's den of S&M loveliness.
As for the classes - I would say sod the usa and do it the sensible way - like Stodgy says - up to and including 89 is old school - 90 to 99 mid school, anything after is new school.
The AD lugs started t come on the odd bike in the late 80s, then companies stopped using them again in the early 90s !And the 1.1/8" headset and 1" headset were used side by side for yonks.
And finally - as the years go by, some bikes will be seen as 'classic' .. maybe a 2001 - 2004 bike will look old and classic soon?
and there goes probably my longest answer to a thread!
mk09 ws amazing, many thanks Rad!
steve
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As for the classes - I would say sod the usa and do it the sensible way - like Stodgy says - up to and including 89 is old school - 90 to 99 mid school, anything after is new school.
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all old school in my book....
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_8-7iv7VcGjs/SjMJAYlqGgI/AAAAAAAACuk/kzcgVNSUER8/s800/Master.jpg)
(http://www.bmxitalia.it/museo/redline.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e90/DemonGT410/5-23-09024.jpg't=1248271732)
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i dont see a problem with the winners re entering ,,,i mean you dont get a world champion boxer not being able to defend his title
twas my first s&s this year ,,,i didn't go with the intention of winning anything ,,,,i think its nice to show your builds to the peeps of rad
so they can see them in flesh ,and visa versa ,,,you get to see all the builds on here ,,,but its better to see them for real
oh and i was well chuffed with my medal ,for my curtis ,,,my childhood build :smitten:
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I was a newbie to the event and the SnS this year and I entered my Torker Freestylist (The only one in the SnS, if not at the event) into the Old School Freestyle class
Was I completely happy with it when I put it on the stand in the marquee? No
Did I expect it to do anything? No
I picked up a dangly thing (not a shiney thing) and was I over the moon? Hell Yes - fooking stoked!
Did I feel very humble because of the interest it seemed to generate and of course the receipt of the dangly thing? Very
Do I know what I need to do to it to make ME happier? Yes
Will it make a difference to next year's SnS? Probably not
Do I care? No, not really, although I am sure we all have a secret desire to win when taking part in a competition. It's human nature.
Will I still enter? Hell Yes!
Will I throw my toys out of the pram if I don't win? Of course not, there's more important things in life than "kids" bikes
Do some entrants take it too seriously? Probably (No doubt a controversial one this so deal with it...)
In some repects choosing a winner out of a number of bikes that are the same i.e. the Aero Pro's must have been somewhat easier because it can come down to era correct analism. Choosing a winner out of, say, the OS Freestyle must have been a nightmare as there are no doubt entries which were originally F+F sets so how does one be ear correct...?
All the bikes there were fantastic and I felt great just being a part of it. The history of BMX in one place is just awsome.
I think the judging was spot on, although perhaps some rethinking about the OS classes i.e. 80-89. It just seems wrong that an 87 Haro Master and the Redline RL20 II are considered as MS
Roll on MK10
Am already working on my next 2 builds as well as finishing off the Torker to how I want it to truly look...
Laters all
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Tbh i still cant comprehend how Radmans bikes dont clean sweep, are we so used to them that they dont dazzle anymore. The JMC cruiser made a wet patch only the Jordash's kiss come close to
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Lees bikes are stunning but it seems you need to have a bike that isnt seen much to win.
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Tbh i still cant comprehend how Radmans bikes dont clean sweep, are we so used to them that they dont dazzle anymore. The JMC cruiser made a wet patch only the Jordash's kiss come close to
We could choose all the race winners from Radmans tent every year...they are all awesome. There are just soooooo many they seem to merge into one!
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Lees bikes are stunning but it seems you need to have a bike that isnt seen much to win.
Not particularily true that Nick, Matts Nomura was in there last year, it came second and was all over the forum for a year. Also in the past many of Radmans bikes have received prizes 2/3/4/5 years after we first saw them. Same with Jay's Haros...the winning one we have seen several times before
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i have to admit to looking in the SnS tent and thinking they all blend into one! thought the medals for reccognition were a superb idea though :daumenhoch:
shows recpect for what people do and the work they've put into builds :daumenhoch:
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My post wasnt to doubt the Judges before is gets misinterpriated (spelling), just saying how nice his and Pete's stand was and if it was me the JMC would have won all catogories and the bunny hop comp ;D
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It didn't read that way to me DB. Lee's bikes are the bollox and i felt quite bad that none of his came in, as Dave said we could have picked all three race winners from Lee's.
I think what we need to do is keep one of the judges from the previous year and change the other two so that we get that difference of opinion on the various bikes. :daumenhoch:
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Would a public vote work for one of the prizes?
It might be hard to do though!! :-\
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It didn't read that way to me DB. Lee's bikes are the bollox and i felt quite bad that none of his came in, as Dave said we could have picked all three race winners from Lee's.
I think what we need to do is keep one of the judges from the previous year and change the other two so that we get that difference of opinion on the various bikes. :daumenhoch:
Totally Agree - was a bit weird!
Oh and ill happily judge next year....
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we ran a vote , however it was abused and someone thought that getting your mates to forge voting slips was a good idea
making a mokery of the peoples choice award
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As Rich says the peoples choice vote gets abused every year which is why we stopped doing it this year.
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theres some sad people about aint there :idiot2:
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I dont think anyone can complain about this years winners like, each one well worthy. Its personal opinion and thats easy when you dont have to scrutinize fook all :LolLolLolLol:
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It's always gunna be a controversial discussion this one ! I have had 4 pm's to say how come none of your bikes won owt ? To be honest I'm not bothered, I did get recognition but I'm not in this for medals or cups ( it would be nice mind :LolLolLolLol:) I'm in it as it's my hobby and I love it all.
I get a buz from collecting a packet from the post office, speaking to people, restoring a part and being envolved with the events !
The judging is tough as we all have different opinions in what looks good, some see some bikes as stunners, others see the same bikes as a circus ride !
The judges give up their time at MK and some forgo the chance of entering their own bikes, people will never agree ! When I first got involved it was Radman this Radman that ! I could never understand until I became mates with him and really noticed and appreciated the time, effort and detail on his bikes. Now however I look round at newbies and think what a fantastic job they have done. Like Dave say's, last years bikes may take the prize this year and change again next !
My hat is off to everybody who enters, you are all winners regardless of medals and prizes, that's not what it's all about ! :LolLolLolLol:
Nick
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Winning's nice, but I just feel privileged to be able to see so many cool and so many diverse builds and some amazing displays each year. To which a lot of members spend the whole year planning. Prizes add a bit of fun, but showing everyone your collection is the main thing. However large of small, common or rare it may be :)
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You didn't even turn up you mong :P
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Winning's nice, but I just feel privileged to be able to see so many cool and so many diverse builds and some amazing displays each year. To which a lot of members spend the whole year planning. Prizes add a bit of fun, but showing everyone your collection is the main thing. However large of small, common or rare it may be :)
Well said !
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haha, but if i had :P
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Judging the bikes must be a nightmare when there are so many bikes covering such a variety of manufacturers.
You need to be an 'expert' in EVERY era / manufacturer and model to get things perfect.
For example... 2 Chrome Aero Pro's lined up 2 bikes apart... one was 99.9% factory spec (and the only Aero Pro in existence with a set of NOS correct colour decals) the other had a painted Stem, wrongly coloured decals and the wrong seat clamp... guess which one was awarded a 'Highly Recommended' medal... ;) :D
Just to respond to the observations regarding the Aero Pro Burner Specs and the highly commended award. I'm not sure about the mentioned 99.9% factory spec Aero Pro. To my knowledge the Aero's didn't come with Polished Rims, Mx 1000's or a gold Raleigh sticker on the seat. The Suntour seat clamp fitted should be correct for a mk 1 Aero but it was missing the OGK Mach grips and Tech 2 levers. As for the decals, if there had been a way of obtaining a complete matching set I would have done my best to get them but to my knowledge this still isn't possible.
I agree that a champ should be able to defend his title. I'd rather rise to the challenge and will be looking at ways to improve my entries for MK10. If you do stop winning bikes from entering the following year perhaps there could be a champion of champion's class?
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I dont know nowt about the Nomura but it is a lovely bike!!
Other people must think so!! It had a 2 page article in the latest BMX Plus magazine!!
Only 310 Aluminium frames (no more than 40 exist with 27 confirmed) built worldwide and only 150 (13 known to exist) Cro-mo Nomuras. Only 4 welders through the life of the company between 1979 and 1984.
Or at least thats what the article said!!
Thats what I like about it!! I'd never even heard of one until last year!! I used to get all the magazines including the US ones as a kid but it never registered in my brain so it was a genuine delight to see something new and fresh that I've overlooked from BITD.
There were so many great bikes on show!!
I loved the Curtis and JMC cruiser too.
Radmans display was as always top notch!!
It nearly makes me want to polish up my bikes...............well nearly, I'm too lazy!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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personally i dont think so. mattdubs pukka champion won best old school last year, it then won it this year, beating everyone of radmans bikes, which has 2 or 3 previous best in show bikes :shocked: tbh i cant believe that not one of radmans bikes didnt place. I dont know what the answer is but something needs changing
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I must admit - radmans bikes really did deserve at least something - just because he consistently brings prbably the best bikes to show every year, shoudlnt go against him - the work he puts in to those builds is incredible.
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personally i dont think so. mattdubs pukka champion won best old school last year, it then won it this year, beating everyone of radmans bikes, which has 2 or 3 previous best in show bikes :shocked: tbh i cant believe that not one of radmans bikes didnt place. I dont know what the answer is but something needs changing
My Champion won best OPC race class last year when they were seperate classes , both OPC and 3 piece crank racers were grouped together this year . I did'nt like the reference toward low end ( OPC ) and high end ( 3 piece ) last year so was perfectly happy when they were combined . Some may think it anal but I put some thought and more into my builds . I totally agree that Lee has some awesome builds .
I don't think you should stop old winners re-entering , it's up to others to step it up to compete if they want to win trophies . I research and source what I think are the correct parts , anyone can do that with patience .
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the bar lifts each year it has to .. most of my bikes are old news and for the past year or so ive been tweaking bits ..esp here and son-lite there ect ect :LolLolLolLol:,, so the incoming new "bobby dazzlers" are gonna catch the eye .. as ive said before regarding the race section i thought the judges were spot on .. and just hearing ur comments regarding my bikes is more rewarding than any trophey :4_17_5:
i may do some judging next year with pete and crooch`y ... so matts champion might win again :LolLolLolLol: :daumenhoch:
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personally i dont think so. mattdubs pukka champion won best old school last year, it then won it this year, beating everyone of radmans bikes, which has 2 or 3 previous best in show bikes :shocked: tbh i cant believe that not one of radmans bikes didnt place. I dont know what the answer is but something needs changing
Sticking up for ya bum chum. :LolLolLolLol:
Ah thats nice mate. Lee's collection is the best and his bikes are 10/10 BUT.......and he is gonna kill me.........they are all very similar builds imo. That and the fact that he hasn't got alot of freestyle bikes (bubble gum bikes as he calls them) is the only negative factors that i have about his collection.
I also think that his bikes could be overlooked as people would EXPECT his bikes to be voted for so they go for something else. Its the x factor syndrome. :LolLolLolLol:
Saying that...... the best bike at MK (and i wasnt there but have seen it before) was Matts Nomura and it deservedly won.
Winners should be up to retain their crown.
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i dont blow smoke up no one's ass but got to agree!!!!!!!! ffs lee's setups a bit fookin mental, utter top line .
i dont as a rule enter show & shine unless its out of my control ::) i just love bringing a few each year.
but can see the bars going up n up ..so well done to all that bothered turning up and putting your builds out for all to see.
remember also, its not all about showing to win,i like to see stuff that i havent seen before or something like i may have owned or a mate had
so it rekindles memories..
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Even if every bike entered in s&s was era correct and immaculate there can still only be 3 winners , and there would still be people un happy with the results .... So be proud of what you show and you get a big reward by other members asking and talking to you about your builds while at the show, and if you win 1st 2nd or 3rd look at it as a bonus :daumenhoch:
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i built my aero pro to the colour and spec that i wanted and could not give a monkeys if it was era correct. and if i come back next year and all the winners entered in the s&s again won,t bother me . i know by looking at ALL the other bikes mine won,t win and i don,t agree with what does win . in my mind the 2 bikes that do it for me were CUPID STUNTS GT and ANIMALS TIM MARCH ex factory red racer :daumenhoch: :smitten: lets do it all again in 2010
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Cheers 4 that me babber :smitten: Ur aero was the dogs danglies ::) The saying I was after was "Ginornous in um " :LolLolLolLol: Nice words about our bikes fella ;) Also I got more out of Mk this year from all the kind words and peeps said about my collection and the conversations I had about my resto stuff and my bodgin :shocked: