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Events => Events => Topic started by: bmxmatt1974 on July 23, 2009, 06:59 PM
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how about an old school race on bikes that are old school?
there didnt seem to be that many bikes racing that were old school, all mid school even though they still got the 1" headtube and caliper brakes. If the show and shine is old school upto 87 then mid after why not same for racing? After all it is an old school meeting?
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I dont think early 90's robbo pro's were any different to 87 models!!
I dont class a 1992 Robbo as Mid School. Although I do class 1 1/8 and Cantis as Mid School as thats when Racing BMX dramatically changed their look.
They'd be a lot more crashes if everyone rode 18.5" TT early 80's rides!!
Especially if Glen is around!! So it would be more entertaining but maybe a few people wouldn't want to ride a bike thats too sketchy for them.
Its been debated before but at the end of the day they are the same bikes that are raced in the OS Series and with the same rules!!
So its a level playing field for everyone and there' a wide variety of frames to suit all sizes!!
Dan would agree with you though!! :)
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I dont think early 90's robbo pro's were any different to 87 models!!
I dont class a 1992 Robbo as Mid School. Although I do class 1 1/8 and Cantis as Mid School as thats when Racing BMX dramatically changed their look.
They'd be a lot more crashes if everyone rode 18.5" TT early 80's rides!!
Especially if Glen is around!! So it would be more entertaining but maybe a few people wouldn't want to ride a bike thats too sketchy for them.
Its been debated before but at the end of the day they are the same bikes that are raced in the OS Series and with the same rules!!
So its a level playing field for everyone and there' a wide variety of frames to suit all sizes!!
Dan would agree with you though!! :)
He hasnt got a leg to stand on :D
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(http://www.ossbmxracing.co.uk/Reports/MK09/MK09-Misc06T.jpg)
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raced my old 20" and cruiser and didnt break either so thats no excuse :)
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Most early/mid 80's frame/forks are too small not to mention too expensive now compared to early nineties mid school stuff... although they're creeping up in value now
Im only 5'5" and found an 18.5"tt frame too small... :(
As much as i love the old school bikes they're nice to look at but shite to ride imo
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I agree with Matt, but maybe have just have the option of a purely old school race and see what the interest is on the weekend. Why would the bikes break? Stu Thompson, Tim March etc weren't exactly light weight riders and i don't recall thier bikes folding in half. Just a thought. As for the bikes being smaller, i can picture a bunch of grown men racing shoulder to shoulder on burners, would make for good racing. 16" pit bikes would be amusing, i would be in for that.
Seriously though, there might be more interest than you think. I wouldn't expect anyone to race the prize Nomura, but then not everyones OS racers are of that standard.
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I agree Matt, this was a debate that we had a while back in the OSS.
To those who say they cant ride an O/S bike or dont want to break it is daft, Tony is riding a 1983 PL20 and he's 18 stone and aint broke it yet, before anyone mentions speed or jumping pre op tony was the OSS # 1 was jumping, manualling and fast as feck so no excuses IMO :knuppel2:
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Got to agree - I think OS Racing should be on OS bikes...not 2007 Raleigh Team Burners or Mid school just because they have caliper brakes.
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if it aint broke don't fix it
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oh.........i'm in the process of getting a 1" S&M with a caliper just to race in the OS wobblers next year.
i take it this will be allowed?
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I raced my pride and joy 1978 Team Mongoose round the track. Seeing as I don't know any different, it was great fun and I refuse to let my bikes not get ridden. My brother raced his 1980 Team Mongoose which has original DeCoaster forks and DP ladder bards probably worth more than most of the bikes that raced that day, but he still raced it. I even promised everyone who asked that I'm racing my totally mint and restored very early 1982 Pro-Class next year. I'll be gutted if anything goes wrong, but it's a bike and should be ridden.
However, if I break anything I'll be the most polite person Phil "Sawzall" meets that weekend, Mark "FHMreader" will be re-doing the paint and Anthony "JimmyP" will be getting more business for a new set of stickers. Basically, I'll be gutted, but everything can be fixed again - isn't that what we spend our dark winter nights doing in preperation for the summer?
OS race means OS bikes, crap or not. Just don't sit there polishing them, ride 'em like you stole 'em......
Spen
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oh.........i'm in the process of getting a 1" S&M with a caliper just to race in the OS wobblers next year.
i take it this will be allowed?
Not if a cut off year of 1987 is introduced!!
I think S & M only started making frames in 1987!! ???
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isn't it supposed to be a bit of fun? ???
although to be honest i rode a mid school Hyper (about 93) which had a pitbul caliper and 1" threaded but i was no quicker on it than if i'd ridden my 83 Cali :LolLolLolLol:
it's just nicer to ride
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isn't it supposed to be a bit of fun? ???
although to be honest i rode a mid school Hyper (about 93) which had a pitbul caliper and 1" threaded but i was no quicker on it than if i'd ridden my 83 Cali :LolLolLolLol:
it's just nicer to ride
I agree, the rules of 1" threaded headset and caliper brakes limit the performance and era quite well IMO, sort of early 90's and older.
Im new to this old school racing and from what I can see people are in it to just have a good time and not take things too seriously, if the criteria to compete is tightend up too much less people would qualify or be able to race, and that would be a shame.
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isn't it supposed to be a bit of fun? ???
although to be honest i rode a mid school Hyper (about 93) which had a pitbul caliper and 1" threaded but i was no quicker on it than if i'd ridden my 83 Cali :LolLolLolLol:
it's just nicer to ride
I agree, the rules of 1" threaded headset and caliper brakes limit the performance and era quite well IMO, sort of early 90's and older.
Im new to this old school racing and from what I can see people are in it to just have a good time and not take things too seriously, if the criteria to compete is tightend up too much less people would qualify or be able to race, and that would be a shame.
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If its not a real OS bike then dont use it. Why ruin the OS with mid/new school stuff?
When Alan Woods started the first OS races the bike had to qualify and it was a stipulation that the rider was also old school.
The rider part was a bit unfair, but the bike should be old school.
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I think all novice bikes should be 20" to keep it fair - just my opinion :)
Oh - and i loved racing my '82 supergoose - light and fast (shame i wasn't ::) )
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I raced my pride and joy 1978 Team Mongoose round the track. Seeing as I don't know any different, it was great fun and I refuse to let my bikes not get ridden. My brother raced his 1980 Team Mongoose which has original DeCoaster forks and DP ladder bards probably worth more than most of the bikes that raced that day, but he still raced it. I even promised everyone who asked that I'm racing my totally mint and restored very early 1982 Pro-Class next year. I'll be gutted if anything goes wrong, but it's a bike and should be ridden.
However, if I break anything I'll be the most polite person Phil "Sawzall" meets that weekend, Mark "FHMreader" will be re-doing the paint and Anthony "JimmyP" will be getting more business for a new set of stickers. Basically, I'll be gutted, but everything can be fixed again - isn't that what we spend our dark winter nights doing in preperation for the summer?
OS race means OS bikes, crap or not. Just don't sit there polishing them, ride 'em like you stole 'em......
Spen
me thinks spen is hitting nails on the heads :daumenhoch: ....... you want old school listen to old school boys :coolsmiley:
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I like the idea of racing a proper old school bike, especially as I race on my 84 quadangle (short top tube, fragile frame and all that). I haven't got a mid school 1in race bike, so don't know the difference on how much of an advantage it would be.
I'd be interested to know how many of the bikes in the A final this year were pre 1987 ? Just out of curiosity really - does any one know ? And where did the 1st pre 1987 bike finish in any of the finals ? Does it really make a difference ?
But having said all that - I raced for a bit of fun, and banter, not to be really serious. If I wanted to do that, I'd be racing new school every weekend all over the country. Sure it's nice to race and be competitive, but I'll race my quad or my new pre 87 build I'm working on at the moment, what ever the rules are.
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i think bof could rip it on whatever he has between his legs :LolLolLolLol: and it is down to the rider, i swap n change my bike often as i like to ride what i build, thats the fun for me and i still hover around the same position regardless and ive found the longer bikes to be a disadvantage for attempting manuals etc so have gone slightly back over in tt length, the os numbers would be hit hard and that would be a shame if things got too strict in the os series, as for mk, the admin would be more intense but bike age class could be implemented, a pre 79 class would be good to see, then maybe an 80-87 class, and a midschool class maybe (post 88 qualifying bikes with 1" headset n calipers) but in the mainstream it would kill it and would only be a backward step for the popularity that is increasing by the season and is good for the scene. its all fun at the end of the day, remove the fun, kill the enthusiasm, spoil the sport.
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....at the end of the day, remove the fun, kill the enthusiasm, spoil the sport
Never a truer word was said - I've never raced BMX in my life before, and I had a great time trying and did it on a piece of history to be honest - Mongoose in the late 70's rocked and every kid I knew wanted a Team or a Supergoose. I'd ride any of my bikes and just think it's great to see the old things being thrashed one more time round a track before they get retired onto some collector's wall >:D
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I gota agree with spen, i get more enjoyment out of riding my old school bikes than anything else and i'd pick an old school to race on over mid school anyday, if i hadn't got a knackered knee i would have raced the jmc without a second thought .....
But i guess most prefer to have there bikes sitting in the loft or the spare room as ornaments, and if thats what they want then thats there choice ..
Each to there own ...
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I can understand both points of view - that's why I keep an 82 and an 84 as total riders and the rest are collector pieces ;)
I doubt I'll ever own a mid or new school - but who knows ?
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in my opinion is that old skool should be pr 90s bikes as this was the era most
people had bmx s .
there were a few dodgy builds at mk with new skool stuff on but i guess people
wouldnt take part as cant ride the older bikes.
so i suppose 1 inch headset and caliper brakes will remain as the norm for racing .
so ride what youve got as more the merrior.
i even did the dirt comp my 84 pl20and loved every minute .aint broke yet
thats what they were made for..... :daumenhoch:
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pre op tony was the OSS # 1
When was he Number 1. Did he in a winter series?
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There is a reason that the north (and I include Scotland) has large turnouts in our "O/S" races. Its cos we have fun and are easy going, the debate on Old Skool bikes rages on within our ranks and the banter is fook funny. If you are that serious about racing pre 87 bikes, cool. We, with our ferrets and flatcaps will still be doing our relaxed fun thing (with mid school bikes if people want)regardless, as for MK, then its simple, Make another class- mid school, thats assuming it will be allowed at an Old school event, along with all the other classes that happen at MK year after year.
FFS, I will never get this 5 minutes back
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I think the argument in the South stemmed from people with pre 84 bikes that didn't like getting beaten by people that also stuck to the rules but took it to it's natural conclusion and raced early 90's framed bikes.
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natural conclusion
;D
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One other thing (picking up on points in some earlier posts) - what made MK09 way better than racing OS at a regular regional was having to work through motos (of different riders), quaters, semis and then A, B, & C finals. Part of the fun was seeing how far you could progress, and racing different people at each gate.
Without keeping all of the bikes & riders in under the current rules, we wouldn't have had such big gates and wide spread of riders. If we split down even further into year groups, the racing challenge gets less, and becomes more like a regular regional.
So on reflection, I'm for keeping the rules as open as possible to attract as many entries as possible = more fun :)
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the rules state 1" threaded headset and caliper brake (including Pittbulls)
thems the rules so abide by em with whatever you want to race on :daumenhoch:
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personally, i got into os racing because i never raced bitd and to me its a dream come true :smitten: my bike is an 87 haro with 90% os parts on it, i could easily race a newer bike,but to me its all about bitd frames and parts and doing the best i can. i would like to race my 83 Patterson and if i cant find any os profile box cranks for it >:(,im gonna race it next summer series.
racing on an older bike and doing well makes a good result sweeter!
me i dont care what anyone else races as its a great crack, and imposing to many rules may put people off racing and that would be a great shame.best to leave as is :daumenhoch:
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Nikki mixing the OS gates was the key!! :daumenhoch:
Everyone got a chance to race everyone else!! :)
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The idea of trying to limit something that you want to grow has never made sense to me.
In my opinion the best way is to keep the rules simple and as they are, therefore getting more racers on the gate.
This after all is all about racing, not show and shine.
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well if the rules stay the same I'm looking forward to taking a midschool s&m with 48s up against kendo on summat old school and with tuffs next year.
mids vs old.
let's get it on and have FUN!
what's good is already peeps are talking about 2010.
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Well if the rules stay the same I'm looking forward to taking a midschool s&m with 48s up against kendo on summat old school and with tuffs next year
Joe - will Kendo actually be arsed to get whatever he brings out his van this time, or ill he amble over to our kid's bike shop / gazeebo and just jump on an old Mongoose and prove how unfit he is again? :LolLolLolLol:
Bring it on - a 1" headset and caliper brakes is as good a rule as any for me and it shouldn't be any more complicated. Don't take life too seriously and ride whatever you feel most likely to survive all the way round the track I say! Me, I trust my old bikes the most as they've survived the longest :2funny:
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the rules state 1" threaded headset and caliper brake (including Pittbulls)
thems the rules so abide by em with whatever you want to race on :daumenhoch:
Shame nobody told Gashead :shocked: ::)
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Well if the rules stay the same I'm looking forward to taking a midschool s&m with 48s up against kendo on summat old school and with tuffs next year
Joe - will Kendo actually be arsed to get whatever he brings out his van this time, or ill he amble over to our kid's bike shop / gazeebo and just jump on an old Mongoose and prove how unfit he is again? :LolLolLolLol:
Bring it on - a 1" headset and caliper brakes is as good a rule as any for me and it shouldn't be any more complicated. Don't take life too seriously and ride whatever you feel most likely to survive all the way round the track I say! Me, I trust my old bikes the most as they've survived the longest :2funny:
Cheeky fecker! :yahoo_silent: I will be more organised next year and not leave the bike burried at the back behind everything. I must admit i was totally disorganised and i was going to just pull out but gashead, pickle and your brother all said i couldnt and thats when your brothere offered me a bike. Couldnt say no then could i!!
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the rules state 1" threaded headset and caliper brake (including Pittbulls)
thems the rules so abide by em with whatever you want to race on :daumenhoch:
Shame nobody told Gashead :shocked: ::)
lol. it's all good fun though mate, you can beat him next year!
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the rules state 1" threaded headset and caliper brake (including Pittbulls)
thems the rules so abide by em with whatever you want to race on :daumenhoch:
Shame nobody told Gashead :shocked: ::)
lol. it's all good fun though mate, you can beat him next year!
I am only having a laugh mate. I doubt it would have made a shred of difference on the day as he was clearly fitter than me but a few people said whats he doing riding that in old school. I was just in it for the fun of it and i think thats what it should be. All of the people in my moto were having a laugh and im glad it wasnt taken seriously as that is not the point for me. MK for me was all about having fun with like minded people and thats the way it should stay. So as long as its a BMX you should be able to ride what u like.
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oh well guess it was bad idea to have a proper old school race at an old school event. :-\
time to forget about this thread then :LolLolLolLol:
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oh well guess it was bad idea to have a proper old school race at an old school event. :-\
time to forget about this thread then :LolLolLolLol:
have a vintage-pre 79 race, would be good to see a gate of proper os classics with cotter pin cranks n banana seats, throwin roosters from their irc's :daumenhoch:
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yeah but russ you'll have had 52 different bikes by the time MK10 rolls around. :LolLolLolLol:
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::) And you wouldnt even have the goose had someone bought it the other week when you were selling it ;D
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I have raced my 83 laserlite in old school for the last two years and havn't broken it so that aint an excuse. Yes, I would be gutted if it broke but at the end of the day, its a fookin bmx race bike for racing on!
The guys I race in Glasgow are riding robbo 90's or early s&m's. So on the flip side if they didn't ride those, I would be racing myself, mostly. I don't do that badly against them so I would rather they raced these bikes, than not at all.
However, I have always been of the opinion, like Dan, that OS should be on old school pre 87 bikes.
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the jump comp didnt do my 86 Zeronine much good :LolLolLolLol:
its nice and light to race on, but very short at 19", i fancied a change so i bought bof's S&M, really looking forward to jumping/racing on this next year :daumenhoch:
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the old school issue is right, if its supposed to be an old school class then it should really be the bikes we all rode (if you rode back in the early 80's) back then but.......& it's a BIG BUT, i for 1 rode a goose california on my 1st race back since 86 at the tamest of tracks with only 6 jumps in it & it was the scariest thing that's happened to me on a bike....EVER! after crashing it made me realise that it could've been a lot worse had it been one of the better tracks. the week after saw me at MK09 on a free agent lime & i simply would not of rode the goose there or anywhere else for that matter. the free agent doesn't mean i won't stack or eliminate me from injury but it gives much more confidence, stability & enjoyable riding, not forgetting the much reduced risk of injury. basically, i wanted to return to bmx to race old school to have FUN & the only way i could do that (FUN being the operative word in the sentence) was to ride a bike that had as much rideability as poss & also qualified as old school.
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Sorry, not read all the posts on this thread but surely it depends on how people define "old school".
1. old school era; or
2. old school technology
I'd say old school era is the boom years between 1980-86/88.
But bikes didn't really stop being old school until the mid-90s when aheadsets and canti-brakes started being used.
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Can't believe this conversation is still going on. How many years has this been going on. :LolLolLolLol:
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Can't believe this conversation is still going on. How many years has this been going on. :LolLolLolLol:
:LolLolLolLol:
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It's winter. Everybody needs summat to bitch, moan, whinge about :LolLolLolLol:
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isn't it supposed to be a bit of fun? ???
although to be honest i rode a mid school Hyper (about 93) which had a pitbul caliper and 1" threaded but i was no quicker on it than if i'd ridden my 83 Cali :LolLolLolLol:
it's just nicer to ride
I agree, the rules of 1" threaded headset and caliper brakes limit the performance and era quite well IMO, sort of early 90's and older.
Im new to this old school racing and from what I can see people are in it to just have a good time and not take things too seriously, if the criteria to compete is tightend up too much less people would qualify or be able to race, and that would be a shame.
How about tightening up on the use of only OS or at least OS style parts :-X
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If its not a real OS bike then dont use it. Why ruin the OS with mid/new school stuff?
When Alan Woods started the first OS races the bike had to qualify and it was a stipulation that the rider was also old school.
The rider part was a bit unfair, but the bike should be old school.
The Alan decided to ride a 90's Robbo ::)
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I remember he was selling it on his site for ages a few years ago. Same age as my bike frame as I remember
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I dunno, I'm happy with things as they are 1" and caliper brakes...I'm probably one of those people who would actually break a proper OS bike, due to inexperience
and if I'm honest I'm far more comfortable on my £45 Haro group one POS, than I ever was on my TA...not the nicest thing to say but honest at least.
Ray.
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Trouble with OS racing these days is in a gate of 8 you'll have 5 Robbo's and 3 Haro's. Bring back OS racing from a few years back when a gate of 8 was 8 different OS bikes, the bike we all rode or dreamed of as kids >:D
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e279/Quadpaul/Old%20Scool%20Summer%20Series/RD%201%20Braintree%201st%20Apr%2007/BT_05.jpg)
sorry couldn't resist and that was Braintree Apr 07, gate line up Haro RS2, Raliegh Aero, Hutch Pro Star, Hutch Pro Racer, Tange Hot Heart, GT Pro, Robbo pro, not sure about gate 1. now that's a proper old skool gate :)
Personally I'd love to see a return to using OS era bikes rather than OS legal bikes as none of us were riding the late 80's early 90's bikes bitd. But I can't talk as I bought an 88 Haro for my last season in OS :Aresehole: But on the other hand I'd rather see lots of full gates rather than half empty gates
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Blimey paul that brings back some memories :) my first meeting back on a bmx and the day i busted my hand :-[
But still made the A final :D look at them sh!t knee pads i'm wearing ;D
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Trouble with OS racing these days is in a gate of 8 you'll have 5 Robbo's and 3 Haro's. Bring back OS racing from a few years back when a gate of 8 was 8 different OS bikes, the bike we all rode or dreamed of as kids >:D
You're probably right about the people who take it far too serious Paul, but if you have a look at the OS novice footage from MK this year you'll see some proper old school rides all wobbling round the track. I know for a fact there was a pair of 1978 and 1980 Team Mongooses and Jonnygoose's 1982 Supergoose all looking rubbish out there (the riders, not the bikes of course!) :2funny:
Hopefully next year the novices will all meet up again and we will all have yet another set of far too precious bikes to even be ridden being thrashed about and most likely crashed at least once. After all, most of us have realised that there are a few masters of welding who frequent this site who can help if something goes seriously wrong :10_2_12:
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I think that the rules as they are are fine.
In fact a couple of people would probably benefit from there being a pre 88 or so rule. Cos there were a couple of older bikes that do have 19"+ toptubes - even though much older.
I think there's a redlline that's like that. So this rule would mean anyone with one of these bikes has a definite advantage over the rest of the pack.
I have owned loads of shorter OS bikes, and TBH I don't feel comfortable riding them. (Although as you know I've crashed new school too LOL!) My 1st race bike coming back into the sport was this beauty - but it was at Peterborough, and was scary as fook! (Plus I was racing in a n/s class cos OS wasn't around yet LOL!)
(http://www.oldschoolbmx.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/myripper.jpg)
I still can't believe I let it go for 500 quid - it really was a minter!
BobbyGHP - wanna sell it back? (Is he still around??)
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i will love 2 ride and race my old school bmx
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its great the way it is. think we need to keep all the moto's mixed :daumenhoch:
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ive been racin my mongoose cali now for 3 winter reginals and not done too bad ( a 3rd and a 5th in the last two a finals)
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I Might give my 82 robbo a run out . Its got one piece cranks i used to brake the Ali three piece as a KID for fun .. The amount of money they go for now and i used to trash a pair jumping once a month till the Redline's come out ..
There should be a limit on the age of the bikes Propa OLD SChOOl. :daumenhoch:
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if it aint broke.........................
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i was thinking, if we could get enough interest we could run a one off pit bike race on Saturday night :daumenhoch:
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i was thinking, if we could get enough interest we could run a one off pit bike race on Saturday night :daumenhoch:
Me and Hootski70 will be up for that - take my daughter's 16" Nipper Ripper for a spin after a bottle of Jack........ :2funny:
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i was thinking, if we could get enough interest we could run a one off pit bike race on Saturday night :daumenhoch:
Me and Hootski70 will be up for that - take my daughter's 16" Nipper Ripper for a spin after a bottle of Jack........ :2funny:
Im up for that :daumenhoch:
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i was thinking, if we could get enough interest we could run a one off pit bike race on Saturday night :daumenhoch:
Me and Hootski70 will be up for that - take my daughter's 16" Nipper Ripper for a spin after a bottle of Jack........ :2funny:
Im up for that :daumenhoch:
Get yourself signed up then bud - there's a whole post about it! :LolLolLolLol:
http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=107891.0
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I'll be riding my '81 SE Basher at MK10. I'll be the one who's coaster comes on over every jump :D.
It's small, horrid to ride and I may have to tape the welds as they are baaaad. Looking forward to it though :idiot2:.