Author Topic: BOTM (Read 4452 times)

Devilock · « **on:** April 02, 2016, 02:02 PM »

I've been out the loop for awhile but why the decision to offer 3 votes?

dancetothedrummersbeat · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2016, 02:55 PM »

Every month people were struggling to choose just one bike, so now we get 3. Each vote has an equal weighting. The format has now been revised behind the scenes so that the mods/and or the forum technical/admin section can see who voted for who, although this isn't made public as the votes are being cast. The change has occurred following Stiddsgate

dancetothedrummersbeat · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2016, 03:00 PM »

It's good to have you back Rich

Taking a bit of a punt, but think this maybe your type of thing

'Show me your spine'

Devilock · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2016, 04:20 PM »

Thanks Andy.

What's Stiddsgate?

dancetothedrummersbeat · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2016, 04:39 PM »

Quote from: Devilock on April 02, 2016, 04:20 PM

Thanks Andy.

What's Stiddsgate?

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185802.0.html

NORTY40 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2016, 05:22 PM »

Quote from: Devilock on April 02, 2016, 04:20 PM

Thanks Andy.

What's Stiddsgate?

griff · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2016, 05:29 PM »

It's been 3 for ages Rich. Rationale being that it might help prevent people (esp newbies) from not entering if they see some 4 figure build dripping with exotic parts. Can be quite demoralising entering a nice bike & getting zero votes

Devilock · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2016, 06:35 PM »

Quote from: dancetothedrummersbeat on April 02, 2016, 04:39 PM

Quote from: Devilock on April 02, 2016, 04:20 PM
Thanks Andy.

What's Stiddsgate?

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,185802.0.html

Far too much literature.

There's always a Rad drama... is he selling up now...I could do with some wheels...

pickle · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2016, 06:58 PM »

Sean's Mrs Jo and his foster kids voted for his bikes, there were loads of other members using second and third accounts as well voting for their own bikes. In my opinion Sean got hung out to dry and we've lost a great bloke from the site.

But hey its all just a bit of fun hey

dancetothedrummersbeat · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2016, 11:51 PM »

Those with multiple accounts who used them to rig votes should be ashamed of themselves

johnjo74 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 03, 2016, 12:45 PM »

I'm not keen on the three vote system and prefer the 'pick one bike and vote for it' .......

I can understand people feeling a bit 'unhappy' if they get no votes for their entry , but giving everyone three votes still doesn't mean they'll receive one unless there were only three entries.....

I can also understand that for some folk it might be 'too difficult' for them to choose just one bike ...... no I'm lying , I can't understand that at all..... get a grip and pick a bike .

dancetothedrummersbeat · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2016, 12:50 PM »

I'd like to see the votes weighted, so your favourite (1st place) would be 3 points, your second favourite 2 points, and 3rd 1 point. Like eurovision for bikes. I really miss Terry Wogan

insectbones · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2016, 02:25 PM »

Quote from: dancetothedrummersbeat on April 03, 2016, 12:50 PM

I'd like to see the votes weighted, so your favourite (1st place) would be 3 points, your second favourite 2 points, and 3rd 1 point. Like eurovision for bikes. I really miss Terry Wogan

Good idea that

kalex · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2016, 04:40 PM »

Quote from: insectbones on April 03, 2016, 02:25 PM

Quote from: dancetothedrummersbeat on April 03, 2016, 12:50 PM
I'd like to see the votes weighted, so your favourite (1st place) would be 3 points, your second favourite 2 points, and 3rd 1 point. Like eurovision for bikes. I really miss Terry Wogan

Good idea that

I presumed this would have been the case anyway. To have 3 equal votes just seems against the normal flow of scoring

pickle · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2016, 04:55 PM »

Don't think the forum software allows for weighted voting from what I know of it.

griff · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2016, 07:32 PM »

What Rob said ^

Even without weighting, the bike with the most votes wins, the one with the least comes last....

factory pilot · « **Reply #16 on:** April 04, 2016, 07:21 AM »

Quote from: griff on April 03, 2016, 07:32 PM

What Rob said ^

Even without weighting, the bike with the most votes wins, the one with the least comes last....

I've got to say even as someone who has always ended BOTM for fun .... I'd much rather come last with some votes than come last with none .... That would be really demoralising

Gish · « **Reply #17 on:** April 04, 2016, 07:45 AM »

Quote from: factory pilot on April 04, 2016, 07:21 AM

Quote from: griff on April 03, 2016, 07:32 PM
What Rob said ^

Even without weighting, the bike with the most votes wins, the one with the least comes last....

I've got to say even as someone who has always ended BOTM for fun .... I'd much rather come last with some votes than come last with none .... That would be really demoralising

Like that shite Hutch last month

pickle · « **Reply #18 on:** April 04, 2016, 07:53 AM »

Quote from: factory pilot on April 04, 2016, 07:21 AM

Quote from: griff on April 03, 2016, 07:32 PM
What Rob said ^

Even without weighting, the bike with the most votes wins, the one with the least comes last....

I've got to say even as someone who has always ended BOTM for fun .... I'd much rather come last with some votes than come last with none .... That would be really demoralising

I've come last with 0 pretty much every time

factory pilot · « **Reply #19 on:** April 04, 2016, 08:30 AM »

Quote from: johnjo74 on April 03, 2016, 12:45 PM

I'm not keen on the three vote system and prefer the 'pick one bike and vote for it' .......

I can understand people feeling a bit 'unhappy' if they get no votes for their entry , but giving everyone three votes still doesn't mean they'll receive one unless there were only three entries.....

I can also understand that for some folk it might be 'too difficult' for them to choose just one bike ...... no I'm lying , I can't understand that at all..... get a grip and pick a bike .

I think everyone has at some point had the feeling of the need for split loyalities at times in BOTM ... Their pals have entered a bike or it's a bike that they have helped build in some way and the 3 votes also allows for this to be taken into account.

I've always liked Dan's bikes ( re-pops and all) for example and now under this system I can vote for both his and the high end glamour build ( that usually ... But not always wins).

factory pilot · « **Reply #20 on:** April 04, 2016, 08:32 AM »

Look what you've started Rich!

Great to have you back in the fold mate

Jaan · « **Reply #21 on:** April 04, 2016, 04:04 PM »

Quote from: johnjo74 on April 03, 2016, 12:45 PM

I'm not keen on the three vote system and prefer the 'pick one bike and vote for it' .......

I can understand people feeling a bit 'unhappy' if they get no votes for their entry , but giving everyone three votes still doesn't mean they'll receive one unless there were only three entries.....

I can also understand that for some folk it might be 'too difficult' for them to choose just one bike ...... no I'm lying , I can't understand that at all..... get a grip and pick a bike .

Bravo!

Taipan · « **Reply #22 on:** April 04, 2016, 05:42 PM »

I always voted for the bike I'd most like to own

ED209 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 04, 2016, 05:57 PM »

Quote from: pickle on April 02, 2016, 06:58 PM

Sean's Mrs Jo and his foster kids voted for his bikes, there were loads of other members using second and third accounts as well voting for their own bikes. In my opinion Sean got hung out to dry and we've lost a great bloke from the site.

But hey its all just a bit of fun hey

What Rob said ... it was a witchhunt

GRAB ON KID · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2016, 06:46 AM »

My opinion is it's not in the spirit of BOTM to vote for a bike just because it's your mate's.It should just be about what your fave bike is,the attention to detail or the one you'd most like to own.... or if you don't like any of them,your fave parts.

I also think it's a bit off to vote for your own bike.No offence to those that have but personally i find it un-sportsman like. I prefer the one vote system.What's the point in having 1 vote out of 3 if that build comes nowhere near winning anyway?

I really liked the openness of the posted in the thread vote so it's totally clear what people like & don't & why or how Radsters are voting.Why have something to hide? We all have our own opinions & each person builds their rides how they like them.If you can't take the criticism then don't enter.

I also think it'll stop people building for what's considered "to the gallery" & weed out those just being loyal to mates.I know it's just for fun but a lot of time,research,money & effort is put into these builds so clarity should be the most important element considering the whole "Stiddsgate" scenario.

We ride & build bmx bikes so why this need to walk on eggshells about it or try & paint a rose tinted glow over it all?
You can't please everyone so why water it down to try & make everyone feel like their bikes at least got a vote.
Prize or no prize it's a competition at the end of the day so should be treated as such... otherwise it's just a free for all & the buzz of actually winning it is diluted.Do we really need Rad or BOTM turning into a granny state? Reality.......what a concept!