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Hi all and need some help...

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Rich P:
Hi everyone.
I have a dilemma.
I have a Townsend freestyle frame and a frame that is badged as an Ammaco Freestyler,  they look similar at first glance,  but are quite different at a closer look.
The geometry is different,  kick tails differ, welding different, different bends in the downtubes,  and the "Ammaco"  is noticeably lighter.
Can they be different frames or different generations?
I've searched everywhere and can't find a definitive answer.
The photos are of the frames compared, with the Ammaco in front.
Hopefully someone can shed some light :) I'm gonna try and get photos on shortly.
Best wishes, Rich

Rich P:
Hopefully some insight in these photos

deeman:
There have been loads of threads about these frames ! Usually people who think they have bought an 'old school' frame on ebay and need an ID!
I am surprised to hear of the differences between the two you have as I thought they were all the same. Also stickered up as Ruption, and Falcon Pro freestyler and I think a couple of other names. They made these frames for years and years way into the 90's and possibly even more recent than that. The fact that one seems a lot lighter MIGHT suggest it was cromoly but I would be VERY surprised as I thought they were all steel. there might be slight differences/ revisions over the years but I would I would imagine they all came from the same factory in Taiwan!

poorboyee:
as deeman said there "BIC/RAZOR" frames churned out through the 90s, usually cheap steel or HI-TEN if your lucky but not worth much :'( AMMACO used to make good bikes/frames back in the 80s, but went cheap and nasty in 90s when mongoose sold them on :( :( :( :(

Rich P:
Thank you for the input, it's helpful.
I'd never seen these before a few months ago...I had a mongoose /Ammaco racer and 2 freestylers (dp firebird and areo reflex) back in the day.
I did buy them both for parts,  so if I need to invest in a different frame then it's no real loss ( got 2 pairs of skyways, etc out of it :)... But, the 9 year old will get a chance to make a custom build out of the bits I don't need :), he's very happy 😊

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