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Title: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 09, 2023, 06:14 PM
So with Nick B coming down today and taking a whole crapload of excess I have tons of room. I had a few ideas, and this had been one for about 3 weeks. I am absolutely stunned no one beat me to it, especially at the price. However, as I had also bought a Primo Ti axle from the guy and the Standard sprocket for the Pork we worked out a deal. I paid his asking for the frame, he gives me a free set of S&M bars with Animal Edwin D grips. Sorted.

(https://i.imgur.com/ISoVTFH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Yh3mcAE.jpg)

Now you may be wondering why I have titled the thread that. I mean, obviously that is a more modern Trail Boss, and it doesn't have the decals. Now the reason why it is not called a Trail Boss? is because Robbie Morales fell out with Standard during Props Road Fools. Now for most of the video he was riding a dark blue Trail Boss, named after himself. But he fell out with them and stopped riding for Standard that year. At which point he would not let them call it a Trail Boss any more, so it was renamed the TRLS 250. Or just Trails. Now obviously this year that expired, and Standard are now selling Trail Boss frames again.

So the idea here? is to recreate Robbie's Trail Boss. Only much newer and a F load lighter. I mean, this will actually be rideable  :LolLolLolLol:

I will die cut the decals myself. I don't want the "S" Standard ones, just white "Trail Boss". I have two decals left over from the STA in black and red, one will go on the head tube, the other on the top tube on the drive side. So as much as it pains me to repaint that absolutely pristine frame, but I have NEVER seen any one do a Robbie M tribute Standard. I have seen an absolute bugger load of Jimmy Levan ones, but yeah never a Robbie.

Now thankfully that year I was working at a BMX shop, so I know which colour it was. We sold a bugger load of TBs in the same colour.

I will go into the other parts in a sec. The first and most important thing though? Robbie had a railed Velo dropnose. Now due to it being VHS quality it is very hard to tell exactly what I was. I suspect a S&M in black, but he was not sponsored by them at all in RF. No one was, IIRC. So, it was highly likely to be a GT as it was the most ridden saddle at the time. Now as you just read that I can tell what you were thinking. "Good luck with that, GT parts go for stupid money". And you are correct. They are now the most ridiculous prices on mid school bar none. Especially those seats. Now Shadow did a rip off, but again far too expensive. So, it is a good thing you know the OEM and what to look out for.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZlzMxQ3.jpg)

Fourteen pounds and ninety nine pence ys pls. And you know already what will happen, I will buy four quids worth of leather or suede and cover it myself.

(https://i.imgur.com/ELIG4bl.jpg)

Fookin easy.

So then another problem, no railed posts. And certainly no sexy ones. BAH. Well oddly the guy I bought the frame from also had this.

(https://i.imgur.com/hkPY9ib.jpg)

So that's on way too  :LolLolLolLol: Man that guy not only had banging stuff but it is all mint too.

Right, so off with the old and onto the new. Robbie had chrome Standard forks. Now that isn't happening for two reasons. 1, there aren't any, and even if they were the chrome will be crusty and 2, when they do come up they fetch about 200 quid. Oh and 3, they're heavy. So I went brand new, 70 quid these cost me.

(https://i.imgur.com/zE04WFB.png)

Quick and dirty white "SBC" stencil decal, job done on that. Headset.

(https://i.imgur.com/Fl5ohc4.png)

Now obviously I have a choice of these "free" S&M bars or I can use the stainless Fly Tierra. When I can hook up my BR player I will see what colour Robbie's 2pc were. If they were chrome? Fly (they are on my Kink Whip ATM). If they were painted black? S&M.

For grips I got these. Always wanted a set tbh.

(https://i.imgur.com/sVjE05q.png)

Now for wheels I have a mint set of blue wheels. Thing is? IDK if I want to use those or not. I think what I might do is just buy a set of custom wheels next week. Not quite decided on tyres yet. Oh and cranks.... Black Profile. These ones.

(https://i.imgur.com/fZzPYoG.jpg)

And I will get a 22mm BB set for that and put the Primo red ones on there with the Ti axle.

Pedals? not decided. Not blue though. I don't want to overdo the blue.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 10, 2023, 12:09 PM
Mornoon. Well I got a shock last night  :LolLolLolLol:

Robbie rode an STA  :LolLolLolLol:

Good thing is I already have one of those, so Trail Boss it is. The good thing is I know what colour it was too, as I had several TB frames in the shop when I worked there. Very popular at the time. So I ordered the paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/el899da.png)

I then started drawing. I am not going with the old style decals, where the Trail Boss logo is on the top tube and the Standard one on the down tube. I am going to follow a more modern style, and put this on the down tube.

(https://i.imgur.com/qsSwAJs.png)

Instead of Standard logos I am just going to have "SBC" in the same style and "63" in the same style also. In white, and again proper 3M stuff not the shit that doesn't want to stick.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 10, 2023, 07:53 PM
My bum hurts :(

So yesterday it dawned on me the Boss could be 10mm. And this was a problem for a thousand reasons. It means my crap Stolen wheels will not fit. It also means it is not worth while having my mate spend a whole day converting the crap wheels to female. Fool's errand. The rear wheel is also buckled, and I would not pay to get it trued either.

I started looking at really expensive wheels. Problem is I nearly made a terrible mistake. I did not realise that at some point they were all switched to 17mm axles with 14mm BOLTS. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU - ck.

I then started to like, panic. Really bad. I then found the solution ! and yeah it made my bottom very sore. They cost a friggin FORTUNE.

(https://i.imgur.com/mE6t1KQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Bt3c6wW.png)

I need to lie down.  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 10, 2023, 07:56 PM
Forgot to add. It is indeed 10mm.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 10, 2023, 10:53 PM
OK. So the last thing I need to do is a solo "S" in the circle for the seat tube. The rest are all done.

There are some copies on Ebay for about a tenner shipped, and I was going to buy those and scan and clean them up but then I realised they are wrong  :LolLolLolLol:

The 6 looks nothing like it should here.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZKU5Aak.jpg)

The ones on Ebay have a split down the middle of the 6. So I would surmise they are mostly incorrect all over, and probably just typed in the wrong font. So yeah this is where I am at.

(https://i.imgur.com/kjyIosM.png)

One more. I also realised I need to buy two lots of 3M. The fork decals should be black. Not an issue.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 11, 2023, 01:23 PM
OK so more planning and scavenging !

I can't remember if in my waffle I said I was going to use the black Profile I have? I think so. There is literally nothing else Robbie would have, or could have been using in 98. So Profile it is.

Of course then I need a sprocket. I wanted a 28t, as I do not want to run into brake issues AND both of my NS riders are 25. Started looking. Had this plan in my head of polished CR, black crank arms, polished pedals. Then I realised I should 99% still have this, I just need to find where it is hiding.

(https://i.imgur.com/lbZjdcq.jpg)

OK brill. If not I have my "made in backyard" graveyard sprocket. Which will be fine also. I wanted polished alu pedals. So I started the hunt. Man expensive. So I gave up on that for now, and the stem. Then I went down the hallway last night for a pee...

(https://i.imgur.com/FSq64DN.jpg)

Oooo ! rummage !  :LolLolLolLol: "hang on, why the fook is the S&M box so bloody heavy?"

(https://i.imgur.com/u21MAxZ.jpg)

DOH. That shit has sat there for over 6 months waiting to be taken to my other hidey hole. What a result. Minto pair of DMR V8.

So all I needed then was a stem and brake lever. I don't have any spare brake levers. I then realised I had this.

(https://i.imgur.com/foiHZab.jpg)

It has a front load GT stem on it. Now obviously I don't want to put that on a Standard. However, what it did inspire me to do was think. The Kink beater has a brand spanking new Kink Hi Rise stem on. I even have a Kink badge for that. I will see if I can find a pic.

(https://i.imgur.com/QcxFV7q.jpg)

That is the stem there. Obviously with the Kink being a beater I don't mind swapping parts on or off. So I will put the GT stem on that, and take the Kink one for the Standard. Like I said, I have a badge I bought but it wasn't what I ordered.

(https://i.imgur.com/PsGjssW.png)

And this is the badge I got. It has sat in its packing since I bought it.

(https://i.imgur.com/Bv0rXAi.png)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 11, 2023, 01:56 PM
Oh and LNEP. AKA, late night Ebay purchase  :LolLolLolLol:

I was going to use faux snake skin on the Dirt Bike. Thing is it was too light in colour. I then thought about leather, but leather is quite thick and stiff. The pink seat on the Schwinn was a real challenge, and tbh? the drop nose is much tighter especially at the nose.

Being it is a Standard? I got this.

(https://i.imgur.com/ylerzgb.jpg)

Very subtle. I also remember the other stuff I got was thinner and very stretchy, which is good. TBH? IDGAF so I would actually have used a real one. Problem is snakes are skinny little c*nts so none of them are wide enough, unless you want to pay out the ass for an anaconda skin.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 11, 2023, 10:32 PM
STOP GIVING ME IDEAS TOBY YOU ASSHOLE  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dv4JjBG.png)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 12, 2023, 01:23 PM
hehe actually it was good he messaged me about Shadow stuff. Custom Riders have a great sale on Shadow stuff, so it was a no brainer.

Here is what I got in better pics.

(https://i.imgur.com/qJxrDZI.jpg)

In 28t. It was cheap enough to where I once again didn't want to use the Mirra one. I think one day I will bite the bullet on that Mirra one and paint it as it should be. It just looks crap in silver.

BB.

(https://i.imgur.com/75O1qgJ.jpg)

Lever. I got the longer one, as I actually want to be able to pull it with my crappy old hands.

(https://i.imgur.com/rLXwhI6.png)

Cable.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZmZAX8b.jpg)

And the tyres. Again, I would not have got these but I know Standards (especially race and trails ones) hate fat tyres. These are 2.2, and look very similar to V monsters in all black. They're also really good, and were cheap enough to make me bite.

(https://i.imgur.com/KUOrzv8.png)

The frame arrived at mum's today. It also looks like the Cam Wood is indeed going, so that will be sorted soon.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 12, 2023, 02:17 PM
OK so good news. I forgot what bars he was throwing in with the frame. We chatted back and forth, and he offered me the bars or something else. Mostly as I had already bought a good few items from him. He said they were S&M, but for the life of me I just couldn't remember. So today I thanked him for shipping it and said I would check it out next weekend. He told me they are S&M Fathead bars. Never heard of them. Quick research said they were from 2013, so I reckon the frame is the same era too. Which also explains why there are no Trail Boss decals on it. After Road Fools Robbie parted ways with Standard and he was not happy. So he slapped a cease and desist on his name on the frames. At this point they were called TRLS 250 or something else. It has only been recently that it expired and they called the frames that again, but yeah that is what they were.

Any way, bars. I would say this is the best freebie I have ever had. What a legend.

(https://i.imgur.com/oGQpTMK.jpg)

Uncut, unmolested, absolutely mint bars that have never even had a lever on them.

(https://i.imgur.com/ev5FVK8.jpg)

Amazing.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on May 12, 2023, 06:36 PM
STOP GIVING ME IDEAS TOBY YOU ASSHOLE  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dv4JjBG.png)


I ask one simple question and you can't keep it in your pants  :LolLolLolLol:

Nice haul though  fistblump
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 12, 2023, 07:01 PM
Haha. Well in fairness I did actually need all of it but the sprocket. Decent prices too. Like an an example the BB set was only a fiver more than the cheapest tat I could find.

 Can't believe I've only ever bought three Shadow parts too. A blue seat clamp for the Proper I no longer even have, and those Noctus cranks I put on the CW and those are likely going soon too.

I've got 3 or 4 chains though.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 13, 2023, 12:20 PM
Very busy day today, but managed to squeeze in some time to do the "S" for the seat tube. I did the cobra last night.

(https://i.imgur.com/dGn68UE.png)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 13, 2023, 07:41 PM
OK so possibly this was an epic buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/0OSk3ia.jpg)

They measure 5cm tall by 3cm wide. I am hoping that they like being smacked with a hammer a bit. If they do? they will make the most epic head badge for a Standard ever. And only 6 quid for two, so I may practice on the one that faces the wrong way.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Mikku on May 13, 2023, 11:54 PM
Interested to see how that ^^^ turns out. :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 14, 2023, 04:55 PM
Aye me too. I'm amazed with Standard being who they are that they haven't ever made head badges.

Obviously it's flat and metal so it needs a curve. Hopefully it will not just snap.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Mikku on May 15, 2023, 11:52 PM
Also, how are you going to get it to stay on there? I'm assuming that you're not wanting to "alter" the headtube, so something from 3M perhaps??
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 16, 2023, 01:39 PM
It has 3m on it already, but I have piles of it. The best stuff is the clear one. I call it "Atomic bogeys".

But yeah, I certainly won't alter the frame. I also won't use the head tube as the shaping tool either  :LolLolLolLol: Will use something old for that.

TBH at 3cm it shouldn't need that much twatting or bending really. Just some mild persuasion. Hopefully with a rubber hammer, not a metal one.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 17, 2023, 07:09 PM
Right quick update. No pics but then there doesn't need to be.

I still need a chain and some tubes. Thing is as I mentioned before you don't half ass a standard. Not ever. So it needs to be an interlock supreme but I don't get paid til Friday. I also need some tubes as I popped one on a loft bike the other day as well as tubes for this so I'll get a load.

I've found a decent set of 10mm chain tugs I used to use on the orange PK before I got Box ones. So I'll use those. I also found my old Nopro Not4k camera with the water proof/paint and filth proof body. So I can document the prep and paint on it without worrying I'm going to kill a thousand pound phone.

I bought it in 2018 to record rides. Thing is it rumbled horribly sound wise and the camera splits up the recording so when I stitched it back together the audio fell out of sync. Now that I am getting used to editing though I will just replace the video and do a voice over or what not.

TBH I really should use it for rides too. Would prevent a lawsuit if some asshole walked in front of me.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 19, 2023, 09:15 AM
Last order is in. I totally got carried away, but why not. I can't hammer it home enough, no one but no one should ever half ass a Standard.

(https://i.imgur.com/B9p8Dr5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1Y4N5PJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V0sF20o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Bs1qUIS.jpg)

These are alloy. I wanted to bring down the bling to minimum. Mostly because of the wheels and chrome fork.

(https://i.imgur.com/mehJRMZ.jpg)

I also bulk ordered these as I needed quite a few.

(https://i.imgur.com/eIPCgoP.jpg)

Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 19, 2023, 04:01 PM
OK here we go. So everything I had ordered before is here. The pristine frame. Almost a shame to paint it, but I really don't like military green. I like green, but just brighter shades like my T1. And I don't have a blue bike any more either.

(https://i.imgur.com/qfW3GPj.jpg)

The also pristine free bars, grips and post. I won't cut the grips off.

(https://i.imgur.com/TBlCFEP.jpg)

In case you were wondering what the frisbies are? those are Gsport Glands MK1. He threw those in too, so they will go on a proper tank bike as they are enormous.

The seat. Such a shame it has that green crap on it. Also the snake skin is there, and it is perfect.

(https://i.imgur.com/hYXhPK9.jpg)

It really is a shame. Like, I think it may even be kevlar. But it's gotta go.

(https://i.imgur.com/sbUcMS7.jpg)

Fork, badges, stickers, valve caps, grips and a headset I can't use  :LolLolLolLol: I didn't realise the frame uses an external headset, because of the machining there to strengthen it. It looked like an internal, but it ain't.

(https://i.imgur.com/senF0gJ.jpg)

Shadow parts so far.

(https://i.imgur.com/sjhaUTN.jpg)

Tyres.

(https://i.imgur.com/wa9C973.jpg)

Bling bling bling !

(https://i.imgur.com/QowyKzD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cXYlQfa.jpg)

The colour the bike will end up being.

(https://i.imgur.com/e3ouAxG.jpg)

Then it was back to not just setting fire to my bank account, but pissing on the ashes. Tange Tank. Got one on my T1, amazing headset.

(https://i.imgur.com/Syt8qin.jpg)

No gyro so no need to worry. Etch primer.

(https://i.imgur.com/i0TyIfL.jpg)

And finally, 1.5 metres of 3m. Now obviously I don't need that much, but I don't think a 7 quid A4 would have been enough. It was 16 quid for that much, so why not.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kfdvkbh.jpg)

I was going to do the frame decals white and the fork decals black. But I just want it all black. The wheels alone provide more than enough pop, the rest can all be muted to F.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 19, 2023, 06:30 PM
Sake man it's doing that again. I have resized these. IDK if it is the forum not sizing them down, or just imgur being an asshole because I block ads.

(https://i.imgur.com/fFg1VZ8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pQ9BCsi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2cXUqsz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/297koHe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/s9mTgK9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/P0sfpxp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/H4DYRlC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zqBFayA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kgyJAT8.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 20, 2023, 03:08 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6btKv60.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 20, 2023, 03:11 PM
Method. F around for about 40 minutes trying to think of a way to shape it. Consider cutting a head cup in half, then realise that all you need to do is put it inside the crown race tool and gently clamp on it with some grips. Repeat at both ends, put on outside of crown race tool and tap with hammer to straighten the middle back up.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 20, 2023, 05:14 PM
OK. So if Hermes ever show up I may do the decals today. If it even is the vinyl. No idea until they arrive, and they have changed the time twice now. So it looks like they ain't coming.

Earlier after doing the head badge I jumped back up with the bars and removed the Animal grips.

(https://i.imgur.com/KPB2fVf.jpg)

Proper nice they are. One side next to the decal there is stamped S&M MADE IN USA and the other end FATHEAD. Talking of fathead, the only two tiny weeny chips in the paint were where the guy had removed that decal  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/2zcqhH5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/O2RXMSu.jpg)

So I had a dig through the stash, and found a new one that could cover both chips.

(https://i.imgur.com/FltB4XF.jpg)

I also removed the Profile cranks again and gave them a good clean. It reminded me why I will never use lithium grease again. It's so bastud hard to remove ffs.

(https://i.imgur.com/aNFWtyM.jpg)

Oh yeah, I am now extremely glad I did not stick those decals to random objects like I planned to about ten times. I want the 63 decal for the seat tube.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 21, 2023, 02:35 PM
Sunday sesh.

(https://i.imgur.com/63heQue.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FiJ4tPe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9j9YrCW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6byXNfx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3IpuFd2.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 21, 2023, 07:05 PM
Right. So whilst I was at it I cut a load more. I need two more SBC for the frame, and two 63 for the frame also. That was about all I had enough left for, given this was a free find.

(https://i.imgur.com/XKgALUs.jpg)

I made three of each in case I mess up like I did with the fork  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/DkpYbSH.jpg)

Just the main Trail Boss ones to cut and pick now, which can't happen until I get the rest of the vinyl. I was also a bit paranoid about the chain maybe hitting the brake. I mean, it looked like it was fine as the bosses are welded on super low down, but yeah that nagging thought. That said, imagine coming build time, and then finding out, and then taking chunks out of the new paint job smashing the cranks back on etc. So, I whacked a bearing in the frame and fitted an old crank spindle. I then put a 28t sprocket on there from the parts bin, and fitted a chain on it. Seems absolutely fine. I know I had a 28t on my Quad angle once, and it too has the lugs in the same place and it worked fine.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 22, 2023, 01:38 PM
OK so today I am mostly taking a break. I was up in the loft for about 9 hours yesterday. Mostly tinkering but also doing tons of other stuff. I have to get two bikes down soon, so I needed to finish up all of the projects in the way. Did all of that. I managed to fit the drive train on the Fatboy backward, FFS. I wouldn't normally go into that here, but it does have some relevance to the Trail Boss. Basically the FB had drive train issues. The chain ring was fat thin and etc etc. I covered that elsewhere. Well, I found a red crank set I forgot I had, and I did not want to mess with the BB as it is euro on a converter. So I put those on it. Any way, I found a gold Shadow Interlock non supreme I bought years ago, and I had the foresight to put the part I removed back on it. Which was awesome, 40 quid chain, saves me buying another.

(https://i.imgur.com/pel8xcd.jpg)

Well you can see what I have done. Like I said, drive train on backward. Fookin idiot. Any way, this is why it has relevance. Those Shadow chains are a proper twunt to install. They are the hardest chains I have ever had to install, literally. Not because it is hard to do (it is) but because the metal on them is like granite. So, they will haveten destroy a chain tool (it will snap) leaving you screwed. And, the Interlock Supreme I am going to install on the Trail Boss will be ten times worse. I know this because I broke a 30 quid United tool doing the chain on the Barcode (which is a supreme). The tool I have now was 6 quid. I almost broke it putting the chain on the fatboy, and I know I will break it if I try and remove it again with that tool. And I have to, because right now you pedal and go nowhere lol. So, I begrudgingly got this.

(https://i.imgur.com/W3jWjEx.png)

And three replacement pins.

(https://i.imgur.com/W6IPzOH.png)

I also cocked up YET AGAIN on the headset. Need an external, easy right get a Tange Tank? nope. One thing I overlooked was the fact the Tange is not sealed. And the fact the fork has an int crown race made to work only with sealed bearings. So whilst the top cup and all of the compression stuff WILL work, the lower cup will not. So, I had to bite the bullet and buy ANOTHER headset.

(https://i.imgur.com/RXwWnF5.jpg)

That is the third one now. It cost 9 quid. What I am going to do is polish the bottom cup, and fit that. Then use the whole top end of the tank.

I also got this for the head badge, as I don't want it going anywhere.

(https://i.imgur.com/l0JFRIv.jpg)

And this, because mine finally broke for good recently.

(https://i.imgur.com/hnRPNom.jpg)

I broke one of the handles doing things with it that it shouldn't do, and the bearings all fell out very recently making it horrible to use.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 22, 2023, 04:54 PM
OK so I can use the Tank.

It arrived today, so I had a look.

(https://i.imgur.com/21w4phW.jpg)

The only issue I had was that the bearing cover (the black thing there) falls off. This is because the integrated crown race on the fork does not poke out. So, I had to be creative. "How do I reduce it down and stop it slipping off?" cue the Sunday headset. All I had to do was remove a dust cover out of the bearing.

(https://i.imgur.com/STUThCi.jpg)

Which fitted perfectly inside the Tank dust cover, but most importantly makes this happen.

(https://i.imgur.com/jgHQ1Qb.jpg)

Sorted then.

(https://i.imgur.com/Sxl1t09.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 23, 2023, 01:31 PM
Mail day.

(https://i.imgur.com/0KkpdlL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YSWmtTa.jpg)

Yesterday evening I took the frame out and began sanding. The wind was horrible. I only missed a tiny bit, so I will sort that later.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 23, 2023, 04:09 PM
Round one.

(https://i.imgur.com/edDBXUK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iWaSP2w.jpg)

Few drips, and overspray is terrible as always. Nothing that can't be easily fixed, though. I will wet sand it out tomorrow then put down the second coat.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 23, 2023, 05:36 PM
So the weather is lovely, and the coat I put down was deliberately thin. As such a few hours later I could work on it. Took off the over spray with a brillo and some P1200, then removed the drips with some P1000.

(https://i.imgur.com/mYOzdME.jpg)

Thankfully that might be enough for there only to be one more round of wet blue filth. And then I can start laying clear.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 23, 2023, 08:03 PM
OK so one more small thing done. The top cap on the fork I got is yet another one of those really annoying stupid ideas manus have to put their logo on it. A logo that will never EVER end up straight and will look stupid.

(https://i.imgur.com/xyrw1Gh.jpg)

I found the S&M one I got for the S&M build I did last year. I couldn't use it because Demolitions is bigger. So I stripped it. Now note, I did not strip it all because there was no point. It is just more to oxidise and you don't see it.

(https://i.imgur.com/Uvz0CTq.jpg)

Better.

(https://i.imgur.com/zGKqfbI.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 24, 2023, 03:30 PM
OK. So after wanking the smurfs last night twice, and then wanking them again today the frame is in clear. First coat obs, so one more to go hopefully but if not two.

Shineh. Really, really shineh.

(https://i.imgur.com/XaNGLBv.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MeqDpnW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hdKTa5A.png)

I then measured the frame up for PPF. These are not all of them, as the film is only a certain width.

(https://i.imgur.com/CrXRE0d.png)

And cut.

(https://i.imgur.com/yCAjKgl.png)

Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 25, 2023, 12:30 PM
Well after all of that work it doesn't need any more. Nice.

(https://i.imgur.com/N1EN3CR.jpg)

It's like glass.

(https://i.imgur.com/hwBz4oQ.jpg)

The black 3M should come today, but not until around 7pm. Hermes are on a weirdo. Still, it needs to harden properly before I go anywhere near it. Did the bars yesterday.

(https://i.imgur.com/cRxxUaY.jpg)

The 4 bolts are Ti left over from the Pork.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q24bJFf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YsQU4NK.jpg)

Last group photo before it all ends up on the bike.

(https://i.imgur.com/fh7wHtD.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 25, 2023, 09:55 PM
Well stupid Hermes showed up at 8pm. WTF?

Any way, I finally got to cut and peel the last of the decals I need.

(https://i.imgur.com/MEJYvat.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mx0Xarg.jpg)

Other things. The clear coat was not fully hardened this morning. Mostly because I put that shit on thick. By around 6pm the front end was hardened up nice, but not the rest. Now usually the whole thing would be built, but again, you don't do dumb shit when building a Standard. I will start tackling that tomorrow. The PPF has all be separated, and is ready. That will go down first. Only then will I fit the decals.

Also, this will be the last time I paint anything. At the beginning of spring mum had fake grass put down. I ain't gonna lie, it is the best thing she has ever done. Problem being it makes it a total dick to paint out there. I can't just dump the stand on it and make a big old mess like I was used to. Which means that through all 5 stages of paint I had to cover up all of the concrete. Which has half killed me. So, today I broke down the stand and lobbed it in the recycling bin for metal and card. That's it, after 5 years I am hanging up my 3M face mask.

Whether I will do any more? I would say yes. However, I won't be half killing myself any more. My recent health scare has made me realise it is not worth it. If I ever do find anything worth doing I will either buy a minter or, send it away for powder, even though I don't really like powder.

It's time to start winding down a little :)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 26, 2023, 07:50 PM
Right, sticker party. Time to cover it all in finger prints  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/PmFTbNI.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/L75ZfZJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/5ZgXiEz.png)

Due to the chain running quite close to the brake I decided on some CTs. Nice and cheap.

(https://i.imgur.com/k2su6c0.jpg)

So basically that is the only thing stopping it from being finished.

(https://i.imgur.com/8Oo3vD5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/roow6wL.jpg)

Can't wait to ride it now. Watch, it'll piss with rain as soon as they show up ffs.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on May 26, 2023, 08:08 PM
Right, sticker party. Time to cover it all in finger prints  :LolLolLolLol:

That cobra looks the biz, nice touch.

This is going to be sweet  explosion
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 26, 2023, 08:14 PM
Yeah it's absolutely beautiful tbh. So glad I behaved and kept it all black and chrome. Not my usual, that is for sure.

The headset is not working properly. Once you tension it up the bottom end gets awful stiff. I think the race is pushing on the bearings too much, due to having no curve. So once the sealed one comes I will remove the bottom part only, polish up the one I bought sealed and fit the bottom cup.

I really can't wait to stand it side by side with my S&M NBD. It is like all of my mid school dreams coming true  :LolLolLolLol:

Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 27, 2023, 05:57 PM
The bike that just keeps fighting. I really didn't think I would have any problems with this tbh, being pretty modern. I could not have been more wrong.

The headset, as I say, doesn't work. That is a pretty easy fix, but it pissed me off immensely. The BB also fought me too, as the spacer was far too wide. So there isn't one in there. I don't really give a crap about that, as the BB is machined. Meaning the bearings can't move, and it would only be them that die. Bearings are easy to get, I have a bugger load.

Today the chain tensioners arrived. Wicked. NOT. As soon as I picked up the wheel I realised it would not work. I mean literally, that wheel I paid ?180 for was not going to work. It turns out that yes, it does use 10mm bolts. However, when Ronnie designed it he left 5mm of 14mm smooth axle poking out the ends. So it will only work on a 14mm frame. You couldn't fooking make this up tbh. So, I removed the axle and started making plans to have it reduced down to where it needs to be, and really should be TBH. There was absolutely and utterly no reason upon this earth why Ronnie could not have done it the same as Sunday, and Odyssey and every one else that used to make axles like that. So out it came, after a fight. Obviously I don't know how it comes apart you have to work that out as you go.

(https://i.imgur.com/TEuL8rQ.jpg)

Turns out it was 120mm. It needed to be 110mm. So mark it up and prepare to send to my mate and wait potentially months for it to return.

(https://i.imgur.com/FGTlJyc.jpg)

At which point I came to the conclusion that it would take ages, and I would have to leave it as it was. So, I got out the belt file. It took ages, and wasn't fun at all.

(https://i.imgur.com/EImyYPm.jpg)

The good news? it worked ! and the wheel went in no problems. The bad news? where do I start. The chain hits the brake. I don't understand this as I ran 28-9 on my Quadangle no problem. So, I can only blame the brake. "That is OK, I have a Mission brake in the loft I can steal the tensioner and bolt from, they are super low profile" - Only, and again you could not fooking make this up, I gave that very brake to a guy not two hours before when he came to take the S&M. FFS.

Dug in the bolt bin for ages, found a lower profile bolt. It worked ! or at least the chain no longer hits the bolt. No, now it hits the fooking arm at the back.

(https://i.imgur.com/y9gXa3K.jpg)

So after all of that? I can't ride it. I have figured out a fix of course, as I always do. Problem is it involves removing the whole brake for about the hundredth time, and taking about 3mm of meat from the back of the arm. And I just don't have that left in me right now, I am absolutely exhausted.

Who would have thought it would have been such a pain in the dick?
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 27, 2023, 09:48 PM
OK so the headset is done. Perfect now, too. I just used the lower sealed cup and kept the top assembly.


I have removed, degreased and marked up the brake caliper for tomorrow, when this arrives.

(https://i.imgur.com/mB6UIoE.jpg)

By hook or by crook I am fooking riding this bastard.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Mikku on May 29, 2023, 11:33 AM
Keep at it mate, it's going to look great when finally done! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 29, 2023, 05:15 PM
It is finished. I just haven't had any time since doing so lol.

The fix.

(https://i.imgur.com/6fxaDdt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/czWguPJ.jpg)

By this time I had no energy left in me to paint it. So, I put some wrap on it.

(https://i.imgur.com/MfyHJ79.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/N6TL9kx.jpg)

I then took pics. Now by this time it was smothered in greasy dirty finger prints, but again I was just so tired I could not be bothered to clean it all up yet.

(https://i.imgur.com/DeM5Qba.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aQbwDdP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kSGS4bN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XBfiGfP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ub2kZpC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V01Uvqw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/swIIxQE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tDbMZYn.jpg)
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Mikku on May 29, 2023, 11:24 PM
Nice one! That blue looks great in the Sussex sunshine! :daumenhoch:
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on May 30, 2023, 06:46 PM
Aye she needs a good clean and polish because of all of the finger prints but now that I've had a chance to calm down a bit I'm very happy.

I think the TT may even be longer than 21. Need to measure it but it's very roomy. The wind is ridiculous atm but as soon as it drops I'm riding it.
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 01, 2023, 07:26 PM
Yet another awesome build and you turned it around fast. Kudos my man  fistblump
Title: Re: The original Trail Boss.
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 02, 2023, 02:00 PM
Yeah I tell you what I can tell I am another year older. That shit nearly killed me ffs. When mum started moaning one morning about me being there so long I hit back with "Oi, I've only been here for 5 days !" and then it sunk in how fast I had gone from a green frame to that bike. Madness tbh.

I was proper caned when I got home. Still, that is what is for rest lol. Only I didn't rest, as I had a ton of things to do. I am still taking my old bed parts down to the dumpsters ffs.

Right, I am in the process of making a video on this, so hopefully by later that will be done.
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