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Title: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 11, 2023, 12:48 PM
This will mostly be a build. I do need to do some minor resto work to the cranks for example, but the rest will all be techy build sort of stuff.

So last week Mike posted a load of frames on a Facebook group. In there was a Dirt Bros Trail R Park. I initially put dib dobs on it, then had remorse instantly. It was spray bombed in purple, and I can't paint more frames. And tbh? I don't want to either. I am getting too old for all that.

So I apologised, we got talking and he offerered me a Quamen flatland frame. I almost bought that, but again it just wasn't getting me that excited. I then spotted this.

(https://i.imgur.com/Gt6uHuM.jpg)

And was instantly drawn to it. I had seen it before, a few years ago. It was on Ebay. And I almost bought it then, but got beaten to it. By Mike no doubt  :LolLolLolLol: It was the bars that did it for me. Any freebie when doing a complete build is a god send. Kinda like how I got those bars for the Trail Boss. Any way, I paid up and it arrived at mum's a couple of days back.

So now I started thinking about what parts I needed.

The first part I always want sourced and in place are the wheels. These are the most expensive and hard to get part of every build I do. Well I had these. I was going to use them on the Boss, but they are 14mm so no chance.

(https://i.imgur.com/I02iwg3.jpg)

I am going to remove the decals. This is the front, and hilariously in this pic it is bolted to the fork I am going to be using too.

(https://i.imgur.com/W5ENiPC.jpg)

The next part you want sorted is the cranks. Again, these are usually expensive and hard to get decent ones. I have three options here. I have not decided on which yet... I bought these RNC first. They are alloy, with a Ti axle. 22mm.

(https://i.imgur.com/fBu8rVe.jpg)

They have been repaired but properly.

(https://i.imgur.com/o6CXIio.jpg)

They need restoring. Bit of file work on the rash, small bit of JB weld on any gouges and a blow over with satin black. The second option (and the least favourable) is these.

(https://i.imgur.com/uIE4yoR.jpg)

I made a late night Ebay offer on those and when I got up it had been accepted. 18 quid, I shit thee not.

(https://i.imgur.com/JWYl5Z2.jpg)

United 19mm 48 spline. Now the reason I made an offer on those is because I have these in my loft.

(https://i.imgur.com/N99YDU2.jpg)

KHE Erlkonig. Their most expensive, lightest cranks. Problem is I pressed a Profile axle in there and it jammed in one arm about half way. Profile axles are not metric, and thus a tiny bit bigger. So, if that will press out (need to send it to my mate) then I can use those also. Choices.

For the drive disc. Well I had nothing tbh. The guy that sent me the Eastern said he would send me the Kink bash guard for it. This one.

(https://i.imgur.com/rMwRLK6.jpg)

And he has. So the KHE one I got for the Eastern is now spare, sorted.

(https://i.imgur.com/mgfDW01.jpg)

I bought a 43t from Source (steel but it's fine)

(https://i.imgur.com/YSV0zk9.jpg)

That's just a reference pic of the smaller ones. Will get an actual pic later. I then needed steel bolts.

(https://i.imgur.com/eqDmpOJ.jpg)

Double. IE double length for two rings. The reason is you always use spacers or your chain chews up the inside of the bash. I got this pack of 10 2mm spacers, I will use two per bolt giving me 4mm, meaning I can use an 8mm wide chain with no binding.

(https://i.imgur.com/L00X6tE.jpg)

I got this CNC BB on special a while ago (Ebay pop up discount, 8 quid)

(https://i.imgur.com/PaY03qN.jpg)

22mm. For the RNC.

OK so I needed a stem.

(https://i.imgur.com/6Kka0i7.jpg)

I wanted to rob that so badly. Problem is I would have felt bad. So, I found something even better for that.

(https://i.imgur.com/nLLOK3H.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GxdwQjF.jpg)

And now I can steal it without feeling bad  :LolLolLolLol:

Tyres. Always wanted a set of these, but prices have been daft for ages. I got them for 28 each. Not terrible.

(https://i.imgur.com/6RHkert.jpg)

For brakes. I will use a Springfield on the rear in black, and I got this for the front.

(https://i.imgur.com/DOSS2md.jpg)

I am doing that because I have a pair of levers I want to use and don't want to split them up.

(https://i.imgur.com/lkZV56i.jpg?1)

Those bars are still fully built like that. Will rob the levers off of them and sell the rest.

Seat and post should be this.

(https://i.imgur.com/kP1lorv.jpg)
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 12, 2023, 08:01 PM
OK, I now have it all. Got this for 3 quid on sale. SRAM apparently, nickel plated. Whatever, I just don't want to run into issues with the bash. So getting some big old fat half link chain for tons of money was out.

(https://i.imgur.com/NKm66Ob.png)

For pedals I went back to the past. I got these in silver for my Schwinn last year and was bloody stoked with them tbh. All sealed, alloy pedals. Got black this time on sale for 28 notes.

(https://i.imgur.com/xzRWOZ7.png)

One thing I was stuck on was bearing cups. I didn't feel like spending 40+ quid on a US BB to rob the cups from, given I had the rest already. I also didn't feel like paying 45 quid for a 22mm euro BB so I asked around. Adey to the rescue ! got these for nothing.

(https://i.imgur.com/itFqSWR.jpg)

Quick clean up and a lick of paint and sorted. Have decided to use the RNC cranks. I mean F it, I may as well they only cost me 45 sheets.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 13, 2023, 06:19 PM
OK so one of the last orders is in. I am trying to find a killer seat, but nothing is jumping out at me. I can't find any leather that I had in mind, nor vinyl, so I think I'ma find something else. We will see. The frame looks like it has double barrels for the cables, so I got these earlier.

(https://i.imgur.com/BnLY8fh.png)

I have a red SNAFU Mobeus and a gold Stolen Satellite. Hopefully there is some oven cleaner left, and I can get the gold one down to just silver.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 14, 2023, 08:02 PM
Frame and bars in.

(https://i.imgur.com/1lQcfDz.jpg)

This thing is a proper tank. The tubing is friggin huge lol.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZFlOhkU.jpg)

Will start work on the cranks tomorrow. They don't need an awful lot.

(https://i.imgur.com/hORtYFS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7oOx7xa.jpg)
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 15, 2023, 11:06 AM
I am interested to see how the tyres look on the bike, I have a pair in red that could be used on my Jane frame  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 15, 2023, 05:43 PM
Wicked. Yeah nice tyres. Very light. They will look good IMO. Mostly because...

(https://i.imgur.com/tj6BzsS.jpg)

Those are 1.65.

BTW I was meaning to PM you this, but I am so busy right now it's a joke. I just finished part sourcing, and nearly all of the deliveries are here now so I have tiny bit more time. Your frame is called a Jane because of the Eastern Tarzan. Whoever thought it had anything to do with calamity jane was smoking something funny. I have the decals now dude, I will get them scanned in some time over the next two weeks and get to work.

Right, so more parts. Just need the small brake parts I ordered now.

Oh hang on. Rewind time, I missed two posts. My brain not good when overloaded. So last night I went and did some part swapping.

(https://i.imgur.com/p3fmAcu.jpg)

That is all being used. So are these.

(https://i.imgur.com/muLpTlv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BLLivGS.jpg)

OK. So now back to what came today.

(https://i.imgur.com/Y8JVFmF.jpg)

And now we are caught up.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 15, 2023, 08:41 PM
OK so finally some actual progress, instead of swapping and removing parts. I took the bars into the garden earlier and gave them a good cutting. They were hazy, as powder does, and they were riddled with surface scratches and marks. Powder, being nice and thick, is very easy to work with, hence.

(https://i.imgur.com/MCHDcHD.jpg)

The decal was made using the prototype frame.

(https://i.imgur.com/21VQ86Z.jpg)

Next step - doing the same to the frame.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 16, 2023, 12:57 PM
OK decided to change a couple of parts. I wasn't set on the seat. I already have two in use, but this time it was bugging me. I tried to find the vinyl glitter leather that Primo used, but it seems it is now out of production. I could only find a yard in the USA for about 80 quid plus everything (you know? shipping, tax etc). I tried to find some blue leather, but realised it would be too much of a statement. I then thought about black leather, but what is the point? it would look 0 different. I searched for hours upon hours for a seat and came up empty. Saw a couple of very expensive ones, but again they were too brash. I then, at 2am this morning, found this.

(https://i.imgur.com/07IXyIa.png)

Typical. 20 quid too ffs. Ordered !

(https://i.imgur.com/Yaxje35.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/tHAKrh8.png)

It is typical mid school fodder. Same as the Haro Mirra saddles, and the S&M I got for the STA a while ago. Now that lay back is pissed. What I mean is, it seems to be twisted out of shape. You can't get the seat set up on it properly. So I had a dig, and found this.

(https://i.imgur.com/U7w75Q0.png)

Noice. I also ordered a AD 990. I don't think the Springfield would look right, and for the sake of 20 quid it is not worth chancing it.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 16, 2023, 04:02 PM
Started work on the RNC cranks. Rashed up arm before.

(https://i.imgur.com/5PQTbcb.jpg)

And now.

(https://i.imgur.com/JgZSWKm.jpg)

Repaired bit before.

(https://i.imgur.com/WkhJCUf.jpg)

And now.

(https://i.imgur.com/TlpS2Ua.jpg)

Both of the bottom arms were gouged badly also. They both look like this now.

(https://i.imgur.com/xTKRvRm.jpg)

This arrives tomorrow, by tomorrow evening they will be in primer.

(https://i.imgur.com/rWm6qaq.jpg)

Sorted the cup faces too. Not worth doing the back.

(https://i.imgur.com/637nMhv.jpg)
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 17, 2023, 01:07 AM
Wicked. Yeah nice tyres. Very light. They will look good IMO. Mostly because...

BTW I was meaning to PM you this, but I am so busy right now it's a joke. I just finished part sourcing, and nearly all of the deliveries are here now so I have tiny bit more time. Your frame is called a Jane because of the Eastern Tarzan. Whoever thought it had anything to do with calamity jane was smoking something funny. I have the decals now dude, I will get them scanned in some time over the next two weeks and get to work.

Yeah they should look pretty cool on. Thanks for the idea.

Those decals just didn't seem right did they, they came off very easily though. A set of decals would be great, thanks man! No rush at all, this is a bit by bit build anyway. I might pm you and take the piss and enquire about some custom alterations  :LolLolLolLol:

Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 17, 2023, 04:49 PM
Those are nearly done dude. Just have a few more little bits to do, and draw some Jane ones for the TT and yeah done. When I have something to work with it becomes very easy. I still need to take into account they are going on foil, but yeah that won't take long.

(https://i.imgur.com/pJxPb4Z.png)

So today I thought I had done all of the nasty work on the cranks. BTW, let's talk about those a little bit. They are RNC Lite cranks. They are absolutely terrible.  :LolLolLolLol:

For some reason in the USA they are worth a fortune. The last set I can see sold on the museum was 8 years ago, and they sold for $225. However in the UK our riders soon broke or battered them, and they are not fondly remembered. What I wanted was something super chunky to make the bash ring look right. They look so weird with small crank arms on. Like two twigs. Apparently all you need to do to strip out the pedal bosses is ride down a curb  :LolLolLolLol: and they are a bit shitted. However, this is a show pony come carpet queen so as long as they look the part (and they most certainly fookin will by the time I am done) then that is fine with me. And they were cheap, so I have that going for me too. They cost me less than just a Ti axle for my Primos.

OK, so back to the nasty work. I thought I had done all of that yesterday, and the sanding would be piss easy. I was wrong. THREE HOURS I was out there. Became a bit of a red mist event, with me absolutely determined to have them looking pristine at the end. And I did well. In fact, I did very well.

(https://i.imgur.com/4Sa3aC9.jpg)

Note those scratches. Piss boiling they are. I will come onto that later.

(https://i.imgur.com/u5VKx2M.jpg)

Like a baby's bottom.

(https://i.imgur.com/4nKl7rJ.jpg)

The best bit is when you prime something and it takes back its shape.

(https://i.imgur.com/CLyh1zw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CLyh1zw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pSvTJyy.jpg)

Those bastard bloody scratches *fumes*

(https://i.imgur.com/5p1XZ38.jpg)

The reason why they are still there is because what you can't see in any of these pics is the angled machine marks from where they were CNC cut. It does that "wikki wikki" kinda sound when you sand it. As such I had two choices. File the entire face edge (fook that) or, try and sand them out. The problem was even though I could not feel them any more they are still down below that machining. As such they are still there.

So, later on I am going to (after I have had a shower) put in a tiny amount of JB weld. I mean, I guess I was taking the piss a bit when I thought I could file and sand out all of the damage, failing to consider some of it needs to go back in and not get removed.

Either way they are now a far cry from what they were before.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 18, 2023, 07:32 PM
Well what a pisser  :LolLolLolLol:

Thought I would get off easy with this one, being all I need to do is cut and polish it. Like fook.

So the "fun" began last night. I noticed in the sale pics and when they arrived there was no sprocket bolt. No probs, I have loads of those. So after applying the JB weld last night to those tiny scratches I opened up the loft to go get one.

Now bear in mind that involves - plugging in the lights downstairs, turning them on, climbing the ladder, moving the hatch, then getting up to search and then the reverse of that.

So I come down with a M10 1.25 bolt. Looks about perfect, won't thread in. Here we go.

Go back up, repeat the above, grab a bolt I had left spare from some cranks that was different, reverse the above come back down. Too small.

Go back up, repeat the above, grab a 3/8 UNF crank bolt, reverse process, come back down. That doesn't thread in either.

At this point not only was I nucking fackered, but I was getting sweaty and pissed off. Grabbed the axle, took out one of those bolts and in it went. Problem is I had no idea what they were, nor where to get them. Decided to put my tail between the legs, as this was clearly a Yankydoodle Fukknows bolt and asked on the museum. First I uploaded this photo of a UNF bolt and the mystery bolt.

(https://i.imgur.com/KPyw63J.jpg)

Was told to set my calipers to inches, set them to half an inch and set them up like so.

(https://i.imgur.com/XbZqc2U.jpg)

I counted 8. So that means there are 16 threads per inch, or TPI. Turns out after many hours of all this they are 3/8 UNC bolts. UN for imperial, C for coarse. So the UNF are UN for imperial, F for fine, being 24 TPI. I then begin the search, and eventually after another hour or so find these.

(https://i.imgur.com/cj2ZqTD.png)

I bought 4. Mostly because the crap that RNC provided are steel and rusty AF. Those are stainless, one for the sprocket, two for the spindle. The washers are Ti, so I will clean those up. Good. Not.

Take the seat clamp down to try that out, doesn't fit. Far too small. Measure that up today, 31.8mm. The big problem here is 1. Trying to find something suitable and era appropriate and 2. My seat post also won't fit that I paid ?30 for. *sigh*. Thankfully I found these two for less than a tenner for both, and they are perfect (actually better than the clamp I had in mind as it is way older).

(https://i.imgur.com/wtyZhc2.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/OjIHc47.png)

So then earlier I go down and start sanding the JB. Only to find that due to the machine marks it just rips out before you can get it smooth. FFS. So, I had to sand through those marks, and then remove the scratches. Another hour of sanding, primer completely wrecked, and of course it is pissing down with rain today.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 19, 2023, 04:03 PM
OK so the cranks were sorted last night. Well, into primer. The rain stopped around 8pm, so I smacked the washing line to get all the water off and hung the arm.

(https://i.imgur.com/QzEgMa4.jpg)

Thank god. Right, so this morning I awoke feeling really ill. Like cold? flu? IDK. Doesn't feel like the rona. Took some pills, took a crap and felt a tiny bit better and then assembled the seat onto the post.

(https://i.imgur.com/jxep4va.jpg)

Really like the look of that. Really heavy and chunky !

(https://i.imgur.com/tDEJBzN.jpg)

I have also now painted the crank arms and BB cups satin black. Two coats over a few hours. Praying when I cut them down later they are done... Obviously I still don't feel very good (aching something rotten) but what I can do is clean up the axle (get all the grease off) and get the black coating off the titanium washers.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 19, 2023, 06:29 PM
Those are nearly done dude. Just have a few more little bits to do, and draw some Jane ones for the TT and yeah done. When I have something to work with it becomes very easy. I still need to take into account they are going on foil, but yeah that won't take long.

(https://i.imgur.com/pJxPb4Z.png)


Nice dude and thanks, sorry about the late reply, I had a busy weekend and so did you by the look of it. Good progress as usual from you. Honestly man, you are the master of your own time so absolutely no rush. I will leave colour choices totally to you as they are looking good. I'm putting a few different colours on the bike so anything goes.

Because yours I think is a US frame set and mine is one of the first Taiwanese made I was thinking this on the fork decals 🤣


Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 20, 2023, 01:16 PM
Hmmm. Well firstly I didn't realise you had the fork. I wasn't going to bother with those, but you just gave me an idea. Will work on that later, once the painkillers and coffee start working. I think I have the fooking rona again :(

I finished the crank arms yesterday. They came out incredible, as one would hope from 5 hours of work. The bolts arrived today too.

(https://i.imgur.com/nG2Ff2c.png)

Worth the work, though it felt like I had done twenty sets of cranks when I got done :(

(https://i.imgur.com/OvNsWte.png)

Literally have to clean that up, and strip or paint the washers.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 20, 2023, 01:57 PM
Oh no man, hope it's not covid and you're better soon, take it easy for a bit fistblump Those cranks look factory fresh, nice job indeed.

Yeah I got the forks, I think they are the right ones for the bike. No cable guide though, so not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 20, 2023, 03:03 PM
Yeah pretty sure mine are the same. Will have a look later. Your down tube decals are done, as are the small ones.

A few years ago I bought this really expensive printer and scanner. Like, pro series. A3 printer. Every time I scan it basically ass fooks your image. First their app only scans to 300 DPI, which ain't great, but secondly the only image option to save it out is JPG. Which was shit at the best of times. So basically whatever you scan then gets compressed and ruined before you can even start on it which is frustrating to say the least. What I like to do is image trace which converts them into vectors, meaning I can scale them and alter the DPI increasing it to insane levels. Problem is if the image is shite you end up with what you saw in the pic I showed on everything BUT the down tube decal (because it is much larger. So as an example here look at the two small round decals and look at what it has done to the text.

(https://i.imgur.com/pJxPb4Z.png)


It has mullered them basically. That said, whoever drew these decals either did not draw them in vectors (because the aliasing is awful) or, the printer wasn't great. I think it was the former.

Any way. So I wondered if my scanner was actually a good one in disguise, or, truly limited to 300 DPI. Meaning it is a shite one. Didn't sit well with me due to what it cost, though. I know scanners are no longer anywhere near as good as they used to be. I know that for a fact. I have one somewhere that can scan at 9000 DPI. It is a SCSI interface, and uses a PCI card. Which I can no longer run. So 300? you can see just how shit that is in comparison. Any way, I figured I would poke the hardware using something else. Sure enough, if I use Photoshop? I get a 1200 DPI option. Four times higher resolution. As such look at these compared to the ones above.

(https://i.imgur.com/dbLqUTT.png)

BTW that mock up you did?

(https://i.imgur.com/oMeCzEt.png)
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 20, 2023, 06:31 PM
OK sweet so the washers were actually alu. Meaning I could do this to them. And assemble.

(https://i.imgur.com/7mVvzF3.png)

Mind blowing !

 explosion

All they needed was some company.

(https://i.imgur.com/27x9xEd.png)
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 20, 2023, 08:39 PM
First of all, that crank set up looks friggin awesome. Top work man, this ride is gonna to be insane  explosion
You have to chill soon though, bmx burnout is imminent  fistblump
The decals you have produced are bang on, I'm now going to have to upgrade my build from tank rat to as good as I can afford  :LolLolLolLol:
Seriously though, thanks for all of your time, effort and RADSPIRIT man
 :bow:

Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 20, 2023, 09:24 PM
I'm going to send some parts with the decals, so don't buy anything yet. That part will be a surprise.

So earlier I thought I was going to have a headache on my hands. Though it turned out to be the opposite.

It's hard to put into words just how heavy that Mosher Fork is. IDR who I got it from. Was it Pickle? god it was so long ago now. But it's easily the heaviest fork I have, and I got some seriously heavy forks. Even heavier than those Kink Empires. Any way, I realised there is no brake hole. So, I armed myself with my punch set and some cobalt bits and.... First punch literally exploded when I hit it. I thought "Oh god, this is going to eat bits and take forever" but like I said, the opposite happened. Bits went straight through, brake now on.

The second part I thought was going to be more brawn work was getting the shit writing off the pegs. I like the pegs, but nothing screamed "I DO NOT BELONG ON A MID SCHOOL BIKE" quite like the crap printing on them. By total accident as I was cleaning the fork ready for cutting and wax I spilled some isoprop on the peg, and the writing started coming off. Sorted  :LolLolLolLol: five minutes later I have a lovely set of plain pegs. I then cut and buffed the fork, which they needed bad.

I even logged onto Facebook, and noticed some guy was offering these up for sod all.

(https://i.imgur.com/EeVAbXh.jpg)

I already have a Ride decal for it (in some of the pics) but I do not have any Dragonfly decals. The frame has a few chips and scratches, so I am going to partially sticker bomb it (tastefully) to hide said scratches. As such those DF decals were like gold. Result.

I then realised that I had a lot of money in the bank. What I mean is, as mum was going away I paid into her bank account about two weeks ago for the shopping I wanted to order now. Mostly because I couldn't be assed adding all my payment details to her Iceland account. I got paid today and yeah, forgot I had done that.

So I bought a set of wheels  :LolLolLolLol:

Because of the finds with the seat, post and etc I started to realise that this bike is going to be killer. Those cranks coming out the way they did (mostly because I busted my ass working on them) was testament to that. Blue new school wheels? ugh. Now I knew I had seen these on Ebay a while ago, was effing praying there were some left. There were  :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/Vu9avys.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/emVPgB7.jpg)

NOS Sun Big city rims on NOS Prolite hubs. I had to. For the sake of a hundred quid I just couldn't have lived with myself putting those wheels on there. I mean, that really isn't a lot of money tbh. Especially when it will make the build rather than break it.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 20, 2023, 10:08 PM
I've been looking at those for ages, did you get the last pair  :LolLolLolLol:

Free parts, you are spoiling me man, many thanks. I like surprises  :surprise:

By the way, you are an unstoppable bike building machine  :LolLolLolLol: I don't know where you find the energy. You are putting us all to shame :whistle:
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 20, 2023, 10:23 PM
Nah there are 3 sets left I think? gawd knows.

I want this bike to be up there with the others. And that is big boots to fill tbh, when you consider the STA, T1, Pork and the Eastern.

I'll reply to your PM tomorrow dude, off to bed now.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 21, 2023, 01:00 PM
Right, quick one before I get to work on the frame.

I really don't want to file the front axle. Mostly because I am sick, and it is hot. And that is a lot of work, and something I have never done before and hence would probably fook it.

As such let's go back. Look at these.

(https://i.imgur.com/ic3OXmg.jpg)

Female. And this one.

(https://i.imgur.com/BtbxEVd.jpg)

Also female. They are trans though, as they were born male  :LolLolLolLol: OK, so that one actually made me laugh hard  :LolLolLolLol:

So I did my usual. Went to Egay, and searched. Found a Savage poopa for 20 quid but bolts missing. I have some, but it concerns me. Like, why are they totally missing? could it be because the threads are toast?

I then did my second usual. Go to all of the LBS online, search front hub, set the price low to high, pick the cheapest compatible looking one, do some research, buy.

(https://i.imgur.com/xFrhNJf.png)

24 quid. So 4 quid more than a battered one, with the bolts, and brand new.

Ordered.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 22, 2023, 04:13 PM
OK. So, another day of frustration.

First I discovered something by accident, that turned out to be wicked cool. So you have these pegs. Nothing screams "I DON'T BELONG ON A MID SCHOOL BIKE" like the dumb writing.

(https://i.imgur.com/UyGttiD.jpg)

Well last night before I buffed and polished the fork I spilled some iso on one of the ones on the fork. And it happened. So grab the alcohol.

(https://i.imgur.com/3KbpQmc.jpg)

Get off bastud.

(https://i.imgur.com/nFxupEF.jpg)

Polish.

(https://i.imgur.com/XssD9h1.jpg)

Finished fork, buffed and polished, crown race on and brake fitted. Oh and it has been drilled for the brake obs.

(https://i.imgur.com/gNWMosK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LvLAwgi.jpg)

OK so then earlier today I took the frame out into the garden. I first gave it a good clean with hot soapy water, and then started to buff it. Unfortunately the decals were in bad shape. They were faded, but the worst part was due to the horrid orange peel in the coating (powder, it's shite) they were also lifting. This means dirt and green polish had gone under them. Wasn't so bad when the frame was greasy and filthy, but on a clean frame they looked shite. So, I started to pick at one and I managed to get it off completely. So I removed all the others (left the HT and ST, they are fine) and then put them under the scanner. In this pic you can see the green and the dirt I am referring to. I couldn't leave it  like that.

(https://i.imgur.com/TFON6xq.png)

OK so I then traced them into vectors.

(https://i.imgur.com/a6zTZeG.png)

And then made two lots of images. One for the black at the back, and one for the white lettering. Sadly I don't have any white vinyl, but that is OK I have ordered it.

(https://i.imgur.com/OoVw6GZ.jpg)

Those are all done.

Another delay, but then I am still waiting for the wheels and seat clamp etc so whatever, it will get done when it can be done I suppose.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 22, 2023, 08:08 PM
Looking good man. Great tip on the alcohol as a remover, noted.

Rest up, wait for your parts and then go again  fistblump
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 23, 2023, 12:36 PM
Hub and seat clamp etc came in earlier. Had a rough night (banging headache) so was only up for 10 mins. They wouldn't have put them through the letter box, so I am glad I rushed down.

Wheels are in later apparently, "wheel see" *groan*
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 23, 2023, 09:02 PM
OK. Recap.

I found out why the crank bearing cups were smashed  :LolLolLolLol: They jam with about 3mm left and you need to smash them home with a hammer  :LolLolLolLol: This damaged the paint, and was hard work. God I hate things like that. Have ordered a touch up pen because mine got lost.

The headset was a twat too. Just not as much of a twat. I got the bars and fork on last night, seat bits arrived today so I did that earlier. As you can see, I been working hard on the frame. The marks and scratches are all gone, and it looks fantastic even without the final polish on.

The bearing conversion to female failed for the first time. The Fly hub is wider, and I could not get the bearings into the hub more than about 3mm per side. Which even I know is dangerous at best. So, I took the axle into the loft and got out the belt file. Not only did I get slapped by my first flying belt (god when they snap it is terrifying tbh) but I also burnt the absolute crap out of my leg with the sparks. Cleaned the injuries with isoprop (ouch is all I will say) and then covered them in cream.

So here is where I am at.

(https://i.imgur.com/wMWuAbt.jpg)

I am usually stoked by like, one part choice. This time? I am stoked at all of them. The white 3M shipped out earlier, and I have ordered some Oven Pride to strip the gyro and top plate. Gold would look awful. Back wheel and chain will likely go on tomorrow, or Sunday. Don't matter too much now as I am stuck here due to timing. I switched mum's internet after the bastuds doubled it in price and it is arriving after I was due to leave. I don't like the idea of her having no internet or phone, so yeah I will hang on and sort that. Which also gives me enough time to complete it, winner winner etc.

I think the most annoying part was the scratches got worse. I then clocked that they were filled with muck, grease and black polish remnants (well, Tcut, not polish) and so I went around them all with a cotton bud soaked in alcohol. When they then vanished, leaving the frame looking how it should.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 24, 2023, 04:25 PM
OK. So there is now a back wheel and chain, where there was not a back wheel and chain before  :LolLolLolLol:

Was a breeze. Very well designed frame tbh. Even has a London mod built in.

So I had a look over the two gyros. The SNAFU is just a plastic sliding collet thing. The Stolen? has bearings. As such I did not want to dip it in caustic, as I can't get it apart to grease them and caustic soda and bearings don't go well. So I decided to use the SNAFU. But of course, it is red. I also have a Proper top plate, but it is dark gold. No good. And so, once again it is...

(https://i.imgur.com/zv8AZMu.jpg)

Time. Or, as I quipped last year (but none of you lot got the joke, I am ashamed of you being 80s kids !)  :LolLolLolLol: "That's, what my heart yearns for now"

I bet you a tenner you have that stuck in your head all day now lmao.

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GET YOUR BOOTS ON !

 :LolLolLolLol:

The KHE sticker fell off over night. It is tacky paper shite, and the adhesive has gone being 30 years old. So I made a new one. Will get some photos later. I can tune the rear brake pads now later too when it cools down a bit.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 24, 2023, 09:04 PM
Again I am stuck. Which is highly irritating, given that it all goes together very well. Unlike a lot of other experimental mid school frames I have fought in the past, this one seems to have been designed really, really well.

(https://i.imgur.com/soI8hKn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B3Q230d.jpg)

OK, so what has been done...

Back wheel, tyre and Gsport gland fitted last night. I was hoping to put one on the front wheel, and I could, but the peg bosses extend out a little too far toward the hub and foul the gland. Booo. I also tried it on the freewheel side of the back wheel, but again it stopped the freewheel going on. If I had a smaller thread freewheel it may clear the body, but sod that noise. Shame, as it adds a lot of beef to the look. I might look into whether I could use my CNC machine to take out the centre hole to clear the freewheel, but that would be a lot of planning, drawing in 3D and then executing.

The chain went on earlier. Easiest chain I have ever fitted.

I have run the dual lower cables. Obviously can't set them up as there is still no gyro on there (oven pride delayed, boo) and so on. The bars and stem need to come back off so I am limited in what I can do.

Found a SNAFU linear dual upper cable, forgot what it was actually for.. It was BNIP, and I bought it to fit to the Morales. The lever was also modified (cut out at the back) to allow it to work. Unfortunately for the levers and the cable I then got 6 piece Standard Strips, which need a 1" over sized lever. Hence why it was all left over. I will probably change the outers to black, IDK. We will see when I can actually start to get it to the correct size and etc.

So aye, quite a lot done in quite a small chunk of time. Like I say, this bike just seems to flow really well and hasn't fought back at all. This one? will be 100% ride ready, unlike the Pork (which still needs the wheels trued and the gyro sorting) and the Morales, which still needs buttoning down and so on. All small things on the Morales, but I wouldn't ride any of them any way given they will be stored in my bedroom.

It's heavy. And when I say heavy? I reckon this is my heaviest bike. I read that one guy who built one weighed it, and it came in at a whopping FORTY EIGHT pounds. And his build did not even use terribly heavy parts. What you may not see is that the top and down tubes, like the Morales, are 2". It has many braces the Morales does not, and a ton of extra tubing to join it together, also unlike the Morales. The rear stays, like the Morales, are 1". Why it doesn't look like it? IDK. Maybe it is the colour throwing light. But when Mike told me it was a tank? he was absolutely correct.

Another oddity is that the chain stays are not one bent tube. They intersect in the middle, and make a V rather than a swooped curve. Very, very nice tbh.

I would imagine though that like the Morales and many other bikes of this era things changed quite fast and pretty radically which resigned them to the annals of time.

Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 24, 2023, 09:51 PM
Looking good there man. 48 pounds, are you serious  :popcorn: on yours  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 24, 2023, 09:55 PM
I will get some scales soon. I have some fish scales, but they only go to 20lb. Yeah lol.

https://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/four_bike_co/84451

48.1lbs

What I don't know is the gauge of tubing used, but fook me it must be as thick as shit  :LolLolLolLol: My fork is very similar, but I reckon it is heavier. It is easily the heaviest fork I have.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 25, 2023, 10:13 PM
 :LolLolLolLol:

(https://i.imgur.com/BjzK0YW.jpg)

Gottem. The intrigue was killing me to be honest. I also am dying to find out the difference between the Ti smothered ally Pork and the others too.

Technically the bike is now finished. Anno stripped the gyro and plate earlier, built the bike. The rear cables need a tiny bit more tension and knarps are not terribly happy with that SNAFU gyro (one keeps coming out) but I think it is because there is not enough tension on them. One side is fine, so I have a feeling I just need to bend the cable a bit.

Hopefully in a couple of days the vinyl will be here and I can 100% finish it and shoot a video on it. Will weigh it too.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 26, 2023, 07:26 PM
OK, done.

(https://i.imgur.com/tXEBiYL.jpg)

Well, apart from the stickers. Mechanical work is all complete, bike is dialled. So I weighed it. 38.1lbs. I reckon the guy on BMX museum was lying about his to be honest. I then weighed the 29" PK on the left. 17.9lb  :LolLolLolLol:

So it weighs more than two of those.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 26, 2023, 09:26 PM
Awesome man, what a cool tank explosion
Just wait until the other decals are on. You've gotta love everything about this build, especially the paint. Top work as usual  fistblump

Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 27, 2023, 04:12 PM
I tell you what is freaky AF.

Someone posted up those DF decals on FB for free. I figured awesome, I will bag those, as they will cover more scratches. So I did, and the guy very kindly sent them to me.

Then last night I was looking at the FBCs on the museum and spotted Brad's 2000 prototype. Look at the down tube !

(https://i.imgur.com/6z203Qg.jpg)

That's effing MENTAL. What are the odds? seriously?
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 28, 2023, 02:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3xyPdzp.jpg)

I think tomorrow is a good day for a video !
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 28, 2023, 06:30 PM
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Vidya !  :radbmxsmilie:
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 28, 2023, 10:13 PM
Those final decals pull it all together beautifully. What a bike, great little vid too. The work on those cranks really paid off too, stunning  fistblump
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 28, 2023, 11:10 PM
If it had one good side and the tcut didn't go under them I would have left it tbh. Was a lot of work. Thing is? the non drive side was ten times worse. Big gouges in the powder, with lots of them missing. I realised that if I rebuilt the decals in photoshop and then made new ones? It would cover almost all of the damage. The only damage left is on the TT above the Battletech decals, but I don't mind that. Needs a couple of scars.

I also knew that real 3M vinyl (not the crap cheap stuff) would stick far better than the original decals, especially to the badly orange peeled powder coat. And I was correct about that, so there is that  :LolLolLolLol:

Will finish the Eastern over the next few and shoot a video on that.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Chilli Rinse on June 29, 2023, 10:10 PM
BTW, after a good few looks at the Pivit seat I really liked it. So I too sold my soul to the devil and bought one  :LolLolLolLol:
It's not for the Jane but it will be set aside for the nos Soul frame I forgot I had. For that money it was a solid choice, looks great too  fistblump
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on June 30, 2023, 12:00 PM
Yeah I never usually buy from there  :LolLolLolLol: I made that up on the fly  :LolLolLolLol: but aye, nice seat tbh.

Not often he has anything like that at a sensible price.
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Mikku on July 01, 2023, 10:52 PM
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Vidya !  :radbmxsmilie:

Watched this last night! :daumenhoch:

I think I've said this before (and let me first stress that this is in no way meant to be a criticism) but the videos are so British, in terms of your accent, delivery and vocabulary that they make me smile and feel a tad homesick! :Great_Britain:

You also mentioned the pronunciation of Tange, which made me laugh. When I first came out here and started meeting Japanese BMX guys, they just looked at me blankly when I started talking about Tange, Sugino, Takagi and all the other Japanese brand names that I had been happily mis-pronouncing all these years. Ignorance is bliss, right. ;D

Keep up the good work, both on and off screen!! fistblump
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on July 02, 2023, 02:03 PM
Hahaha.

Yeah some things are just British. And I'm 100% unapologetically British.

I met a few ex pats in the US when I lived out there and their accents were shaky at best.

Screw that ! Rule Britannia!

Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Midschoolfool on July 02, 2023, 07:27 PM
BTW Mick, if you are ever feeling homesick try this

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Not safe for work or children.

Alright my son?  :LolLolLolLol:
Title: Re: Four Bike Co Battletech
Post by: Mikku on July 03, 2023, 01:09 PM
That's bloody funny! Why I have never seen or heard that before I don't know, but better late than never! :daumenhoch:
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