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Old School BMX 1980 - 1988 => Old School Freestyle (frame stands and kickturns galore!) => Topic started by: theRuler on November 27, 2006, 11:11 AM
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how come people are so into tuffs for the old school bikes?
do you remember tuffs bitd?
how heavy they were? how cumbersome they made the bike?
and as for running one tuff, and one alloy. do you remember why?
the hubs on tuffs would disintergrate.
i rode with zytecs on my fox until the bearings fell apart. about a year.
what a difference it made to the bike, when i got some alloys on it.
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Your right, my first bike was a mongoose 2 with blue tuffs, they went as soon as I could afford spokes....
But I think they look old school and add to the look of our bikes :daumenhoch:
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I think they were the wheel that defined the old school bike.
Long live the tuffs :daumenhoch:
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I wasn't the smoothest of riders, and rode street, trails and parks. I ruined every wheelset I could get my hands on until I got tuffs. Never broke them. Simple as that. Kept a spare set of Z-Rims if I wanted speed for a change (as spokes are cheaper than rims :uglystupid2:)
Got to admit its THE look now.
It was also the cheapest way to get a useable coaster bitd, and that was essential.
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i see what you mean about the coaster
as for the wheel that defined the old school bike, well i dont know.
think back to the early eighties and the 1000's of race bikes out there. not too many on tuffs.
tuffs were popular in freestyle for a few years though. but by 86 the newer riders were on alloys.
i think sponsership kept a lot of top riders on tuffs.
plus the brainwashing from magazines saying "a freestyle bike must have mag wheels"
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I shoulda said freestyle - they are the defined freestyle wheel - look at all the resto's they nearly all run Tuffs.
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i see what you mean about the coaster
as for the wheel that defined the old school bike, well i dont know.
think back to the early eighties and the 1000's of race bikes out there. not too many on tuffs.
tuffs were popular in freestyle for a few years though. but by 86 the newer riders were on alloys.
i think sponsership kept a lot of top riders on tuffs.
plus the brainwashing from magazines saying "a freestyle bike must have mag wheels"
I rode Tuffs till 89 but i have to say i preferred riding with spokes and thank god for the HP rim and 48 spoke revolution!
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i guess quite a few rode on tuffs at some point bitd
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Tuffs were the best wheel you could get when I started bmxing and still the best when I quit 2 years later. I want some more. 8)
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get some now andy
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and araya aeros on some quality hubs were way better than tuffs.
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get some now andy
yeah Graeme but not for the Dayton I will put some on a Ripper :daumenhoch:
What do you think?
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i love tuffs , spokes are more practical brake better and are more ridgid and lighter but so fook "viva le zytec" tbh why not have a set of each and change them when you feel like it
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I rode coaster Tuffs BITD and still do now :daumenhoch:
Steve
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They were ok for me bitd, I only broke one, and that was from a bad hang up in the clover leaf bowl at Rom :daumenhoch:
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everybody i knew that had a bmx from 1980 till late 84 had or wanted tuffs.
Dave
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i broke 2 rear coaster tuffs but more down to design faults than abuse.they would hairline crack around the rivets but they were well cool back then and made a great sound when they did let go.in mid 85 i switched to araya aeros with a coaster and never looked back...
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They took some punishment first though, to be fair I think its the sideways forces that got put on them when I was learning to peg stall that opened the cracks right up :idiot2:
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Bill's graphites broke at Skaterham, you can hear them crack in the video when he bails an attempt at a backflip. The bike went a good 20ft up. He carried on riding them after that I believe?
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Bill's graphites broke at Skaterham, you can hear them crack in the video when he bails an attempt at a backflip. The bike went a good 20ft up. He carried on riding them after that I believe?
lol i have seen that vid.
had he had some rigid wheels it would have probably have cracked the frame!!
there's a plus for tuffs then
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I think the street/freestyle riders will always favour tuffs.
If you ask a track rider, they will say spokes. There is no doubt that tuffs were heavier, and even BITD everyone knew that less weight, especially on revolving parts gave an advantage in racing.
Saying that, I rode araya's for street and ramps, (cos thats all I had) and they did stand up, but they were prone to buckling.
Also, when people talk about breaking tuffs, its usually a bad landing, or a bail. What isnt talked about is how alloy rims would have faired in those instances.
And as for Zytecs............. :LolLolLolLol:
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Tuffs were very cool and high tech at the time, spokes had been out for years and were boring... especially to a 10 year old that was built like Lester Piggots whip!
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Tuffs were very cool and high tech at the time, spokes had been out for years and were boring... especially to a 10 year old that was built like Lester Piggots whip!
i think that hits the nail on the head
and as for zytecs, just the same as tuffs. only with better hubs
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My first BMX came with Tuff's and after a while I switched to Z Rims, back to Tuff's and then onto some chrome araya's on my Ace Racing but that bike got nicked. I then alternated between alloy's and Tuff's depending on what riding I was doing. Parks and ramps were for tuff's, for jumping and racing alloys although the Tuff's often faired better jumping but with alloys you could jump that little bit higher and further. The only problem I ever had with Tuff's was the obligatory implosion of the hubs, I got fronts and rears to go but never got one to break. The worst I ever got with an alloy rim was a major flat spot and that needed re-rimming, never managed to get Araya 7c's or 7w's (Aero's?) to ding badly. I fooked a few Z rims though, way too flexy no matter how you built them and were really hard to get totally straight and true.
For my 85 Haro build I've gone for White Tuff's and a pair of polished early GT Freestyle wheels, when it's built I'll work out which ones to keep on it :LolLolLolLol:
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Ride BMX No 99 Dec 2006 has a one page article on Skyway Tuffs at the back of the mag. It mentions the myth about ''you could straighten out a buckled set by popping them in the deep freeze''....did anyone try that? Apparently over 8 million Tuffs have been made.
Think everyone wanted a set BITD and now that we can afford them I suppose we want to buy what we couldn't get, and it is the ultimate old school icon for some of us I reckon.
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i never really hankered after tuffs.
but they were pretty cheap i guess, so it was easy to run them instead of getting alloys built up
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I rode tuffs since I got back into BMX in '82. I've broken more than a few in different ways - flat, street, flail bike ditch, sidewall, spoke, front and rear. I spent a little while recently on some alloys since I couldn't find a coaster tuff and thought I'd give them a shot. They're nice for all the obvious reasons but I found myself truing them more than I wanted and in my advanced years, a little flex is actually a good thing when jumping. Maybe I'm just a hack of a rider, a bit heavier and lousy at truing a rim but with the shortage of time to ride, I don't want anything funky going on.
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zytecs seem to flex more than tuffs for me.
tuffs are just so iconic. they define what bmx is about.
if we were really al about performance, im sure we would give up bmx altogether for other forms bikes.
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coming from a council estate, on which you were 'bob haro' if you had such luxuries as a tuff burner! everyone (including myself) wanted tuffs BITD.
I went through some Z's then swapped them for some blue tuffs with coaster......have to admit though the bearings didn't last long.
I'm with everyone else, they are just iconic of the era.....and in my oppinion a 'must have' on any OS freestyler.
Tuffs = freestyler
alloy rimms = racer
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bmx history is being rewritten and the truth is slowly being lost.
thats a shame
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not until they prise a pair tuffs from my cold dead hands...
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bmx history is being rewritten and the truth is slowly being lost.
thats a shame
graeme, what does that mean exactly...
tuffs 'are' the iconic wheel of 80's bmx. no-one in this thread has said they were better than a wire wheel, just stating that they were the wheel to have...more form than function....they looked as cool as, and, quite frankly, still do. as far as i can remember the only wheel anyone i knew wanted was tuffs..........white ones.....white tuffs...coaster brake....dribble....droooooollll
Dave
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If you see anyone riding on spokes at the Epic meet, you know it's the Ruler :LolLolLolLol:
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tuffs have 5 spokes :LolLolLolLol: some even have 6
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tuffs have 5 spokes :LolLolLolLol: some even have 6
:P...clever so and so!!! :)
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i guess you either love em or you hate em!!
but seeing so many bikes with tuffs is not representative as to how it was
GT's after 85 had their own GT mags or spokes.
loads of riders rode on spokes. mason smith, glyn lewis, most flatlanders etc etc
not forgetting josh white, dennis mccoy, eddie fiola, mike buff
to me tuffs are more of a cliche rather than an icon of bmx.
a lot of my mates had mag wheels. but they were simplex, ogk's and acorns. there was the odd set of tuffs around, but they were the ones that had come stock on raleigh burners.
i think i rode in a different time to a lot of riders on here
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i think i rode in a different time to a lot of riders on here
hence me asking your age earlier matey.....
Dave
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i am a young pup. only 33
but i did ride from 83 to 89, and things changed quite a bit during those times.
the biggest change was the riding gang where i lived went from about 500 down to 2 (me and a mate) virtually overnight from 85 to 86
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I'm pretty sure most of the riders you named there also ran tuffs ???
For me, mag wheels epitomise BMX, and non more so than tuffs.
If you speak to virtually anyone our age and mention BMX, they'll say 'mag wheels' and back then, if you didn't have tuffs you was a cant - I know, I'm mentally scarred because I couldn't afford them. The only pair of mags I had was the Acorn Freestyle mags (not the thin shit ones) and I thought they were just as good..................but they weren't tuffs, there was no piss taking (well not much anyway), but I always knew tuffs were the only mag wheel.
By the way, I'm the same age as you Graeme
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You know my answer on the tuff debate,dont you graeme. :LolLolLolLol:
All my bikes have tuffs,well accept for a couple. :D
Tuffs are now my flexible friends,not credit cards. ;D
Long live TUFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
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GT's after 85 had their own GT mags or spokes.
loads of riders rode on spokes. mason smith, glyn lewis, most flatlanders etc etc
not forgetting josh white, dennis mccoy, eddie fiola, mike buff
i think i rode in a different time to a lot of riders on here
who were they then edie fiola i reconise him he rode tuffs who were the rest of them ect ect
ect :LolLolLolLol:only joking ive heard if glyn as well( but ive aso heard of jade goody )
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she couldnt ride tuffs the fat ugly bint
Dave
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every one rode tuffs in 84 and i mean everyone its a fact I was there tuffs ruled. When I got back into bmx after a long lay off I expected tuffs to still be the best wheels. I wish the were as good as I thought they were.
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tbh what does it matter, keep a spare set and when you feel like riding spokes stick em on whats the problem ?
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This is how I remember it.......
Lots of bikes came with spokes. Lots of people including me, swapped their spokes for tuffs in order to identify themselves as freestylers. Z rims were about, but more for comedy value. Acorn and OGK came along as alternatives but at Rom certainly they were viewed as also-rans. Tuffs reigned supreme back then.
I liked the weight, I felt it added stability and coaster tuffs were easy to buy, coaster spoked wheels were not......
The first major purchase I made in 82, and I never ran owt else :)
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GT's after 85 had their own GT mags or spokes.
loads of riders rode on spokes. mason smith, glyn lewis, most flatlanders etc etc
not forgetting josh white, dennis mccoy, eddie fiola, mike buff
i think i rode in a different time to a lot of riders on here
who were they then edie fiola i reconise him he rode tuffs who were the rest of them ect ect
ect :LolLolLolLol:only joking ive heard if glyn as well( but ive aso heard of jade goody )
who were they? lol
eddie rode tuffs then went to spokes, in 85 i think?
tuffs were popular, i know
but not everyone rode them. lets not gloss over the details. it's the details that make this hobby what it is!!
anyone remember andy ruffell? a racer guy. did some freestyle too.
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Fcuk Andy Ruffell. And the boat he came in on. :knuppel2:
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anyone remember andy ruffell? a racer guy. did some freestyle too.
Do you mean the fella who had a raleigh signature bike that came with white tuffs? :LolLolLolLol:
(ok, the cheap version came with spokes)
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anyone remember andy ruffell? a racer guy. did some freestyle too.
Do you mean the fella who had a raleigh signature bike that came with white tuffs? :LolLolLolLol:
(ok, the cheap version came with spokes)
he was once dubbed uk's number 1 freestyler. (rightly or wrongly)
he didnt ride with tuffs.
blyther and ronw too - not a tuff between them
Fcuk Andy Ruffell. And the boat he came in on. :knuppel2:
now now. safety is very important
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for freestyle at least as i remember it spokes were a later development , a post oldschool / premidschool thang if you will some might say progress - some might say gaylooking bike julian clary lokeelikes poncing on them ...rad but limpwristed imho it just depends on which side of the hughy lewis album your looking from :LolLolLolLol:
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Wilkerson ran peregrine masters (ok I'll give you Blyther)
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craig strong rode on spokes
and brian scura. and they were both wheelie kings
martin aparijo rode on spokes too.
freestylers riding on alloys probably was a later development
about 84-85
Wilkerson ran peregrine masters (ok I'll give you Blyther)
peregrine masters are not tuffs. you will give me them both :)
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- some might say gaylooking bike julian clary lokeelikes poncing on them ...rad but limpwristed imho it just depends on which side of the hughy lewis album your looking from :LolLolLolLol:
:2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Read from the start of the 5th paragraph....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/DP/MoreDP.jpg)
An article about converting a race bike to a freestyler, now what sort of wheels would they be?? :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Free%20Agent/Photos098.jpg)
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graeme, of course you are right, not everyone ran tuffs.....but i think its you thats glossing over the details....tuffs were rad as...and ron w did run them at one point...you slag
Dave
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...and to prove Dave's point
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/GT/Freestylin_Summer_84_cover.jpg)
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aye thang you
rad
tuffs rule
and you know it
Dave
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This thread is getting as good as the X5 one in random :LolLolLolLol:
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go on lad! get the fook in....
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graeme, what does that mean exactly...
tuffs 'are' the iconic wheel of 80's bmx. no-one in this thread has said they were better than a wire wheel, just stating that they were the wheel to have...more form than function....they looked as cool as, and, quite frankly, still do. as far as i can remember the only wheel anyone i knew wanted was tuffs..........white ones.....white tuffs...coaster brake....dribble....droooooollll
Dave
remember on Ebay, a few years back now, there ws nothing but white tuffs...
where they all gone now?
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where they all gone now?
burner restorers
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ok youve converted me , whos got a nice set of 7x for sale then :LolLolLolLol:
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Read from the start of the 5th paragraph....
right i wanna see cw pro bars on your freestyle bikes then :)
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Read from the start of the 5th paragraph....
right i wanna see cw pro bars on your freestyle bikes then :)
AArrrgghhhh anything but that :LolLolLolLol:
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freestyle bikes? , ive got an 83 supergoose with tuffs on id like a potts mod but cant find a short enough potts bolt for my pro class stem , bitd i mostly was riding a supertuff mk2 with potts and coaster make do and mend didnt stop me from getting rad though , there were no freestyle bikes in 1980 we just had to use what we had
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a nice shiny coloured annodized rim and matching hub looks nicer than a plastic wheel.
am i the only one that thinks this?
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i like either
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(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v260/oberonspacefruit/DSCF0026.jpg)
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Read from the start of the 5th paragraph....
right i wanna see cw pro bars on your freestyle bikes then :)
I can't believe you're the same age as me? ??? It was all about DP's & Curtis freestylers (with the odd Haro for the spoilt bastards) with CW bars, tuffs, whitewall tyres
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Curtis/orb_and_the_curtis_trickster.jpg)
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Big head Burner Kid
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yeah, I don't have an original scan :LolLolLolLol:
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Big head Burner Kid
ahhhh...those were the days.
Dave
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i might get a pair of spokes actually for endo value
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graemes only fooling himself now.....
Dave
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that curtis is certainly in a class of it's own.
i know i am in the minority with the tuffs, but you can not deny my existance!
and there were more riders on spoked wheels than you all remember
cw bars though? lol.
if i had a scanner i would scan in riders with spoked wheels
neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway
lol@the big head burner kid. now there's a bike that needs tuffs.
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graemes only fooling himself now.....
Dave
lol
every freestyler had tuffs isnt "old school" it's radbmxschool
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Tuffs Tuffs We like Tuffs...
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v290/orb200181/PC180017.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v290/orb200181/P7250012.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v290/orb200181/PC110015.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v290/orb200181/Tufage.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/v290/orb200181/P7250015.jpg)
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I don't get this thread... When did you start riding BMX Graeme?
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"neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway" as did hoffman the greatest vert rider ever even he says in his book that his bike felt much better when he changed to spokes .... tuffs can look cool but spokes can look just as good and ride much better stiffer stronger and faster
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neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway
he rode tuffs on his holeshot rf1, so your statement isnt entirely true......come on graeme....fold
it was only mainly gay flatlanders that used spokes.... :)
Dave
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"neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway" as did hoffman the greatest vert rider ever even he says in his book that his bike felt much better when he changed to spokes .... tuffs can look cool but spokes can look just as good and ride much better stiffer stronger and faster
cant argue with that but still love the nylon
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"neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway" as did hoffman the greatest vert rider ever even he says in his book that his bike felt much better when he changed to spokes .... tuffs can look cool but spokes can look just as good and ride much better stiffer stronger and faster
ffs no-one is saying tuffs were better than spokes, just that they were, for whatever reason the wheels to have...now get to bed!!!
Dave
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I don't get this thread... When did you start riding BMX Graeme?
1983.
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"neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway" as did hoffman the greatest vert rider ever even he says in his book that his bike felt much better when he changed to spokes .... tuffs can look cool but spokes can look just as good and ride much better stiffer stronger and faster
ffs no-one is saying tuffs were better than spokes, just that they were, for whatever reason the wheels to have...now get to bed!!!
Dave
:LolLolLolLol: Dave, laying the law down like it works :LolLolLolLol:
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can i interrupt and say my personal preference is spoked wheels, can;t beat a nice set of chrome rims!
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:angrysoapbox: function over fasion thats why front brakes and chrome rims are on my bike ... fasion sucks use what you want not what everyone else wants why use something if you can have something that is better that costs around the same money .... its like buying a beat up p.o.s car for £200 when theres a newer, better car right next to it for the same price :crazy2: :idiot2:
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But that POS beat up car may have strong and fond memories......
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can i interrupt and say my personal preference is spoked wheels, can;t beat a nice set of chrome rims!
is this a wind up or what...lol
i ride on chrome rims....your right you cannot beat them....that is not what this thread is about.
its about the tuff wheel being the wheel to be seen running....
now you can go to bed too!!!
lol
Dave
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can i interrupt and say my personal preference is spoked wheels, can;t beat a nice set of chrome rims!
so i am not alone then
there's a first
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function over fasion thats why front brakes and chrome rims are on my bike ... fasion sucks use what you want not what everyone else wants why use something is you can have something that is better that costs around the same money .... its like buying a beat up p.o.s car for £200 when theres a newer, better car right next to it for the same price
I think we are talking more 1982 not 2006, but I 'm with you on the chrome rims :daumenhoch:
ffs no-one is saying tuffs were better than spokes, just that they were, for whatever reason the wheels to have...now get to bed!!!
Spot on mate... now fcuk off, you're all boring me ;)
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can i interrupt and say my personal preference is spoked wheels, can;t beat a nice set of chrome rims!
is this a wind up or what...lol
i ride on chrome rims....your right you cannot beat them....that is not what this thread is about.
its about the tuff wheel being the wheel to be seen running....
now you can go to bed too!!!
lol
Dave
It's become the IN wheel set to have, prices are going up, the reason i prefer to have rims is because i like to be different - if i was given a pair of skyways then i wouldn't complain, but i would maybe end up selling em
off to bed soon - don't worry!!
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Anyway Graeme,for someone who doesn't like tuffs,you are always drawn to my bikes with them on and cant wait to get jumping all over my tuffs with your balancing acts!!! :LolLolLolLol:
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can i interrupt and say my personal preference is spoked wheels, can;t beat a nice set of chrome rims!
is this a wind up or what...lol
i ride on chrome rims....your right you cannot beat them....that is not what this thread is about.
its about the tuff wheel being the wheel to be seen running....
now you can go to bed too!!!id say the in wheel set to have would be bullseye hubs with ukais /arayas , theyll fetch more than uffs all wek long , id like a set of nos black hard anno proclass on black bullseye hubs mmmmmmmmmmmmmm , still ride tuffs though most of the time
lol
Dave
It's become the IN wheel set to have, prices are going up, the reason i prefer to have rims is because i like to be different - if i was given a pair of skyways then i wouldn't complain, but i would maybe end up selling em
off to bed soon - don't worry!!
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Anyway Graeme,for someone who doesn't like tuffs,you are always drawn to my bikes with them on and cant wait to get jumping all over my tuffs with your balancing acts!!! :LolLolLolLol:
i want to see what i have been missing all these years
i dont dislike tuffs, persay, but i prefer alloys. same as i dont hate layback seatposts, but i prefer straight ones. i bet a lot of people on here had a burner at some point - does that mean they were the only choice for BMX?
my point is: tuffs have a big a part in freestyle in the early days. but they NEVER had total domination on the freestyle scene. the black/white view that freestyle bikes have tuffs and race bikes have alloys does not accurately represent the scene that we go into finite detail to recreate.
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you aint been missing anything , you have an objective view and have assessed the situation and drawn your own conclusions you havent missed anything any more than i have with my dislike for marmite and mushroom soup over the years
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neil ruffel used alloys too as soon as he was free from skyway
he rode tuffs on his holeshot rf1, so your statement isnt entirely true......come on graeme....fold
it was only mainly gay flatlanders that used spokes.... :)
Dave
i am pretty sure he run spoked wheels.
in that advert, "no bullshit, finally there's a freestyle frame that's where it's at"
someone must have a scan. post it up!
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Spokes only really took off for freestylers when the HP-48's came out in what, late '85 - early '86?
How about this picture to sum it up - count the mags v alloys :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Tuffs/Project1.jpg)
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(http://andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/ABMX%20Holeshot%20Bike%202.jpg)
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i dont see any freestly bikes in that pic just bicycle moto cross rides
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(http://andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/ABMX%20Holeshot%20Bike%202.jpg)
god damn it :)
he did run spokes i am sure of it.
as for the other pic, i see tuff 1's, graphs and spokes.
spokes? they must be race bikes in there as no one run spokes :)
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i dont see any freestly bikes in that pic just bicycle moto cross rides
and a shit-load of tuffs.....
...all at the pipeline :daumenhoch:
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thats a good pic though moose
it actually proves my point nicely
not the ruffell one though, lol.
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as for the other pic, i see tuff 1's, graphs and spokes.
There must be 10-15 bikes there 3 of which run spokes (and I bet they got the piss took out of them) :LolLolLolLol:
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Neil with spokes on the Holeshot frame...
(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/ABMX%20April%2085.jpg)(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/9%20Feet%201986.jpg)(http://www.andyruffell.com/for_neil/images/BMX%20Racer.jpg)
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spokes and a 1pc crank
now thats a freestyle bike, for your ass
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it actually proves my point nicely
It does nothing to prove your point. Graphites are tuffs - tuff I's are tuffs (if a little bit old).
If there's say 12 bikes there and 3 have spokes that means 75% ran tuffs (however way you want to see it).
And just to prove it's not just radbmx here's the thread where that picture came from
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=008380;p=3
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spokes and a 1pc crank
now thats a freestyle bike, for your ass
...and check out the date February '86? WOuld they be 48's he's running - surely that proves my point? ??? :LolLolLolLol:
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it actually proves my point nicely
It does nothing to prove your point. Graphites are tuffs - tuff I's are tuffs (if a little bit old).
If there's say 12 bikes there and 3 have spokes that means 75% ran tuffs (however way you want to see it).
And just to prove it's not just radbmx here's the thread where that picture came from
http://www.vintagebmx.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=008380;p=3
so 25% ran "non-plastic" wheels?
thats more than the 0% a few pages back in this thread.
i should have found that pic and posted it at the start
that was my point, that it wasnt all tuffs.
some riders run spokey wheels all the time.
eventually virtually everyone did.
lol there aint 25% agreeing with me here though. basts
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..and who's this with tuffs as well? :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/e250/Christmoose/Tuffs/Photos099.jpg)
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what are you saying?
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Fcuk me guys, 8 pages ???
I definately wasnt into bmx in as big a way as a lot of you guys, but i remember all the my mates wanting skyways, my first bmx, ammaco team cro moly had araya copies and i really wanted skyways for it although it wasnt a freestyler, when i got my curtis freestyler with em on i was chuffed to bits.
Whether you like em or not they do seem to define old school bmx, even my missus who knows sweet fa about bmx tells me my bike looks far more retro with the tuffs on, now if she says it they must be good cos shes never wrong :LolLolLolLol:
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Tuffs ruled :4_17_5:
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You should forget putting up pics of Profesionals with tuffs or spokes, they used the wheels they were paid too, or the polictics dictated at the time. Anybody that used mags that wern`t Tuffs did so because they couldn`t afford them, or were paid to use another brand.
Ammaco riders hardly ever used Tuffs, if at all, because they were in competiton with the importer, Freewheeler.
The choice of wheel bitd for freestyle was Tuffs, thats why Skyway had the best riders on their teams, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :LolLolLolLol:
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Ammaco riders hardly ever used Tuffs, if at all, because they were in competiton with the importer, Freewheeler.
Ah, so that's why complete Ammaco's never came with tuffs :daumenhoch:
I always thought it was because they were trying to keep costs down.
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lol. you're biased.
and as for using the wheels they were paid to use, thats very true.
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Ammaco riders hardly ever used Tuffs, if at all, because they were in competiton with the importer, Freewheeler.
Ah, so that's why complete Ammaco's never came with tuffs :daumenhoch:
I always thought it was because they were trying to keep costs down.
wait a minute - which mags did the ammaco 202 mag (or whatever it was called) have?
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I only had tuffs bitd. the were the wheels to have. if you asked anyone in their 30's (i'm talking about non-riders) what they remember about bmx's they would all say skyway tuff II's.
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if you ask any non-hiphop enthusiasts about what they know about scratching they all say "wikki wikki woo"
cliche.
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Ammaco riders hardly ever used Tuffs, if at all, because they were in competiton with the importer, Freewheeler.
Ah, so that's why complete Ammaco's never came with tuffs :daumenhoch:
I always thought it was because they were trying to keep costs down.
wait a minute - which mags did the ammaco 202 mag (or whatever it was called) have?
Regardless of whether they produced a bike with Tuffs on, they never promoted them or let their sponsored riders use them :police:
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I'd love to stay and debate all night, but I've got to be up at 05:30. Thanks for the stimulating discussion though :daumenhoch:
wait a minute - which mags did the ammaco 202 mag (or whatever it was called) have?
If I remember rightly they were shitters and one of the freestylers I think came with Acorn Freestylers (but that was later on).
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this place is all about stimulating discussion :)
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Great Thread
Most people that I rode with did both racing in the EA series and freestyle at Stevenage, Knebworth etc (and lots of flatland on the streets) tried Tuffs, but in the end (by 83 to 85) only a few had Tuffs, most had Araya's.
Their was many a meet in the early days of Royston Rockets and the Tuffs never won a race, and many a wheel broke on the first main jump.
From all the local shops - Faze 7, Custom Riders and Sigma all within a few miles, Araya's were the things that sold and people would ride on. Maybe it was the weight issue, but me (35 nearly 36) can only remember 1/2 a dozen or so that rode Tuffs by about 85 - a PK Ripper, a white T/A and a Quad, the rest average bikes but with the Tuffs nicked from Burners, all the other bikes ran spokes.
Araya's and a single piece crank, carn't believe that people on here would think this doesn't look era correct or a proper bike.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/k223/greentoad_whiteangel/IMG_6486.jpg)
Araya's for me every day, but I do agree that Tuffs have the looks and I also have many sets. I'd prefer some mint sets of Araya Aero's though.
J.
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Yeah they wern`t great for racing, but if you mentioned it to Skyway USA they always replied `Well Richy Anderson seems to do ok on them` ::)
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tim march raced on tuffs too, sometimes.
and andy patterson.
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Don't forget also, when you was younger, most people had their heroes who they wanted to be able to ride like.
Riders like Bill, Craig, Neil, Carlo, Pepi etc were the best riders back then and being sponsored by skyway had to ride tuffs therefore prompting their fans to also ride them.
I bought Skyway bikes purely on the basis that Neil Ruffell rode for them. When he went to Holeshot I was so close to buying the RF1 just because Neil rode one. How I wish I had bought one now.
Anyway, I'm sure a lot of other riders were like me and bought the parts used by the top riders. After all if it was good enough for them, it sure as hell was gonna be good enough for me...
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i dont recall anywhere in this thread saying that the tuff was a better wheel, .....ffs
this is a wind up right .....
graeme ive agreed all along that the spoked wheel is a better wheel.
but this is how i see it, in the early days of freestyle, all the top boys ran tuffs.....kids being kids wanted to emulate their heros, the guys of whom they had posters of on there wall, and wanted tuffs....youve only got to look at the early pics of rom and harrow and s/sea.....tuffs everywhere, hardly any spokes.
in the mid eighties the riding progressed and the general concencus was...look lads, spokes are better for this shit....so the top pros ran em....then all the kids wanted spokes....your from the later catergory, and green toad not once has anybody said spokes or one piece cranks are not era correct.......the first bmx i ever saw was a mongoose.......it had both.
i might start another thread with a vote.
tuffs would win in here, but no doubt spokes would win over in the race section
Dave
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oh and haro's
Dave
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how many survivor sets of spokes in usable condition do you seee for sale these days ???, what would you pay for a used set of araya 7x from bitd? yet tuffs come up all the time for £100 or there abouts, in fact there still making them
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did pepi ride with tuffs?
i remember him on spokes. but that could have been on an ammaco, for the reason bill mentioned.
its right about buying what the top riders rode.
anybody buy a skyway platform?
how many survivor sets of spokes in usable condition do you seee for sale these days ???, what would you pay for a used set of araya 7x from bitd? yet tuffs come up all the time for £100 or there abouts, in fact there still making them
spoked wheels dont last too long in the garden shed.
you cant just bung em in bleach!!
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Someone please say smothing interesting........
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did pepi ride with tuffs?
Pepi rode Tuffs whilst he was on Vincent and obvisously when he was on Skyway, although he did ride spokes on Ammaco.
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Someone please say smothing interesting........
come on man this a great thread
lively discussion, loads of pics, difference of opinions!
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Someone please say smothing interesting........
i am a clueless shuffle munsterer!
:LolLolLolLol: Look what you've started here! ;D So glad you have the internet at home again ;)
Bru :daumenhoch:
lol yeh i changed that
although you could have a poll and it would come out as being true :(
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smothing
eh? ;D
come on man this a great thread
lively discussion, loads of pics, difference of opinions!
Okay... what year or years are you talking about?
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my bmx-perience (lol) is limited to the years 83-89
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Well there you have it... I stopped in late 84/ 85 when I was 15... Tuffs still ruled and Araya Aeros where hard as nails... never cast eyes on a set of 48s till 91, when I got back into it again, but that never stopped Eddy Roman from riding the plastic fantastic now did it?
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I cant ride for shit, but i enjoy riding my bike, and Tuffs do it for me.
I have a few spokey wheels, yes, they are ok.
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anybody buy a skyway platform?
now they were shite.....i only ever remember seeing campbell and a few other skyway riders use em.....but not every top fresstyle rider em.....
like tuffs....
Dave
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I mainly used Tuff wheels until early 1988, when I got my first Haro Team Sport with HP48's on it. Prior to that I'd had a few flirtations with spoked wheels, mainly for racing but I had a couple of set that I briefly used for freestyle. I had a set of Araya 7L's that I used on ramps for a while, before folding (literally) the back wheel after hanging up. I then switched back to tuffs for a while. In mid 87 I had some Ukai 36's with a rear coaster, when I got my neon yellow master, the braking and responsiveness were a revelation. However I switched back to tuffs after Peter Hawkins gave me a couple of free pairs to use. Once I got my first pair of 48's though, I never switched back.
Tuffs did look great and the had a number of advantages over spokes. They were cheap, they were low maintenance and they were fairly indestructable. On the downside, they did flex, they were heavy and brakes didnt work great with them, particularly when potts mod's and the early rotors started to appear. Also when half pipe riding started to become more popular and people started increasing tyre pressures, you would notice that the rims would bulge outwards inbetween the spokes, but remain at the same width where the spokle joined the rim, so you would have pulsing from the brakes when you used them, not a huge issue for ramps, but as rolling tricks were starting to come into fashion then, feathering the brakes was difficult. Also with higher pressures, tyres tended to become unseated more easily. Now the graphite wheels didnt suffer anywear near as much from the flex and bulging and weight, but they were more brittle and expensive.
The other thing to remember is that when we were all riding tuffs, we were all a lot smaller and lighter, so the issues with flex and poor breaking where a lot less noticeable.
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smaller and lighter. thems were the days
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anybody buy a skyway platform?
now they were shite.....i only ever remember seeing campbell and a few other skyway riders use em.....but not every top fresstyle rider em.....
like tuffs....
Dave
dordy's always buying them.
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a friend of mine got his dad to make one for his zapper.
it wasnt very good. well made, just not a good idea
another example of clueless magazine brainwashing saying you need twin toptubes to have a freestyle bike
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I love Tuff's so does the mrs, she thinks tuffs are the coolest looking wheel on any bmx so there.... :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/2312.jpg)
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lol i am way outnumbered here
probably the same ratio as to who prefers racing to freestyle
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I love Tuff's so does the mrs, she thinks tuffs are the coolest looking wheel on any bmx so there.... :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d19/AllanMackay/2312.jpg)
Mate...if your (now famous amungst rad members) Mrs loves em....then that's good enough for me! :daumenhoch:
and dam it, that should be good enough for any man!! :4_17_5:
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:LolLolLolLol:
Another quality Pic from MadAll !! How does he do it !
Here babe, cuddle this tuff wheel in your sexy underwear, superb ! :4_17_5:
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:LolLolLolLol:
Another quality Pic from MadAll !! How does he do it !
Here babe, cuddle this tuff wheel in your sexy underwear, superb ! :4_17_5:
:LolLolLolLol:
Can't see my Mrs doing that, I suspect the second word would be OFF ;D
B :daumenhoch:
No one would want to see my Mrs doing that! :LolLolLolLol:
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I think the best thing would be to let Mrs Madall have the final word on any discussion - a 'Mrs Madall says....' along with a picture?
What do you reckon?
Madall?
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This may have already been said.....Tuff's are classic and looked killer and still do look killer for the old skool bikes, I love them on a TA and PK Ripper and scott Freeman invented a trick where you stand inbetween the tuff spokes and pump round in cirlces, very gay trick. Once 48's came out and you could get the tire pressure to 60-70 PSI, halp pipe riding became a whole new game, the speed was intense, I remember the first time I switch from Tuffs to 48's, I was on Jess Dynoforce's ramp in Highgate, I rolled in and shit my pants it was so fast, pumping the ramp became effortless and the airs kept getting higher due to the high pressure tires, plus the bike was lighter and more mobile. Nearly every Skyway team rider that left the team went onto spokes...Neil Ruffel did on his Hotshot bike.
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That makes a lot of sense and just about covers it :daumenhoch:. Spokes for performance and tuffs for nostalga I think you have to agree.
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I like tuffs too. These ones are blinding, (wear your sunglasses!)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/f352/crucial33/skyway%20wheels/4setsoftuffs.jpg)
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Looks like they've been Tango'd :LolLolLolLol:
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They are all totally brand new NOS made in the UK (which as you probably know, all the coasters were bolted in, not riveted). There all coaster brake pairs. Fronts have plastic hubs.
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Hehe, you ought to see my big stash.
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Im new here, but have a proverbial mass of stuff. Just to think, at one time i nearly threw it all out, as we all nearly did i suppose.
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That makes a lot of sense and just about covers it :daumenhoch:. Spokes for performance and tuffs for nostalga I think you have to agree.
thems the rules then.
i fold.
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I think the best thing would be to let Mrs Madall have the final word on any discussion - a 'Mrs Madall says....' along with a picture?
What do you reckon?
Madall?
Skyways are Super Sexy!!!!!!!!!!:LolLolLolLol:
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Well there you have it - Mrs Madall says Skyways are super sexy.
That'll do for me :daumenhoch: :LolLolLolLol:
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If you really would like to know haro-os-boy, i have about 25 old school frames and forks including some NOS, and enough bits to build up 20 of em or so, but unfortunatley i gave up riding a couple of years ago, im getting on a bit now, and i think my mad freestyle days are over .
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If you really would like to know haro-os-boy, i have about 25 old school frames and forks including some NOS, and enough bits to build up 20 of em or so, but unfortunatley i gave up riding a couple of years ago, im getting on a bit now, and i think my mad freestyle days are over .
Lets see some pics, i love a secret stash... :daumenhoch:
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for me tuffs were the best wheel i ever rode, they werent heavy at all & if you knew how to maintain you bike you never had any problems with the hubs, alloys might have been light but they were weak as sh1t
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looking forward to seeing ride on tuffs in the future then
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BITD we all wanted /rode tuffs ,was the wheel to have .to me tuffs are just a classic look ,maybe we all put them on old school builds because of all the 80's colour ?
as to people only riding them because they were sponsered ,what about Si Tabron riding them on his bully ? or Craig Cambell on his ozone , at woodward 2 hip he came second to Jo Johnson , beating Hoffman into third . :coolsmiley:
but on the otherhand a set of chrome 7x's takes some beating .
i'am comfused now . :idiot2:
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i used tuffs n zeds for jumping BITD, no alloys could compare with absorbing the impact as a pair off tuffs or zeds, zeds did make you concentrate on your landings alot more(very unforgiving)
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i learnt to 360 on the flat with tuffs as they were the only wheels that could take the punishment of my hap-hazzard attempts
i pretzelled my araya,s within about five trys :LolLolLolLol: :LolLolLolLol:
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All of the above is ture, the only thing is we are all about 4 stone heavier these days :2funny:
Bru :daumenhoch:
lucky you im 10 stone heavier lol
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tuff wheels are kid's wheels :)
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Fitted to kids bikes? ;D
I love the look of a nice set of chrome spokes glinting in the sunshine but tuffs are definitely iconic. I also like Z rims though. ;D ;D
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I always liked Skyways, still do,
kids wheels eh :D! expensive kids wheels mind ! ;)
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raleigh burners are "iconic" if you want to build that old school bmx.
and they come with tuff wheels.
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raleigh burners are "iconic" if you want to build that old school bmx.
and they come with tuff wheels.
its the age thing again
Dave
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dave you're from the school they tore down to build the old school
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dave you're from the school they tore down to build the old school
i went to school in a loin cloth.....my classroom was the third cave on the left, just past the brontasuras bones.
Dave