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Events => Old School Series Racing => Topic started by: Rooonga on August 12, 2008, 11:11 AM
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Just saw a post about this on BMX talk, I thought old school were looking for official regional, and Brits recognition.
On BMX talk it looks like the Oldschool riders have asked for a national series too.
Is this right?
Sam (Nishiki) - I tried a PM, but don't know if it went to you or not.
click here for the thread (http://www.bmxtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17969)
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No we arent asking for nationals - put them right Roonga - you are right we are asking for Expert Status for Regional and the Brits next year...
what was the feedback on talk re nationals btw? just curious....
Sam is having computer issues (and car issues)
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Cheers Si,
No negative responses so far over there.
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I think there should be more debate on the subject before it gets expert status.
There's alot I don't understand, and I know I'm not alone.
BMX racing is about to go Olympic.
Do we need vintage bicycles at the highest National level?
(there's no rules on whether your bike is too old?)
Just asking the question.
C'mon Old schoolers, state your case.. fight your corner.
I suspect the interest to actually get on your bikes is not as big as you think.
Alot of guys who previously rode oldschool at regionals are now experts at nationals!
How great is that? Is that not the way?
This is from Tony on BMX talk.
Anyone care to visit the site and reply?
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I don't know who Tony Da Butcher is, but I think he as missed the point and gone off at a tangent . It has nothing to do with Nationals, this is a regional thing, so some can race at the Brits, in an officially recognised race, sort of the OldSchool King of Kings Race...
..if I'm wrong, please feel free to point me in the right direction, but that's how I understand it.
I have have no interest at all in racing a National Series, does any one else?
Anyone?...
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Yeh I put the roughly same thing on BMX talk.
Getting some negative responses now - so come on radders post on BMX talk and let them know your feelings.
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Im same as Ron, I struggle to do enough regionals never mind trying to
trail all over country for nationals............comes down to bastard fuel
and work in the end!
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I don't know who Tony Da Butcher is, but I think he as missed the point and gone off at a tangent . It has nothing to do with Nationals, this is a regional thing, so some can race at the Brits, in an officially recognised race, sort of the OldSchool King of Kings Race...
..if I'm wrong, please feel free to point me in the right direction, but that's how I understand it.
I have have no interest at all in racing a National Series, does any one else?
Anyone?...
Tony is involved with the southern Region via Hawks BMX - he is Billy Luckhursts Dad and a genuine and nice bloke. Dont think he is trying to antagonise anyone but yes he is wrong about the national standard. I think he is straight on that now. Im in discussion with him about something else so ill make sure he understands...
Personally I just would like to have a National Race once a year when the riders that compete in the OSS in the UK can battle it out for a UK No1 plate or the like. We dont have anything that does this ie where the BOF's and Ivesy's of this world are not allowed to enter as they dont ride OS normally.
MK is an amazing event and we all had a ball in the racing but am i right in saying that everyone of the A Final Doesnt race OS normally?? Northerners please put me right on this as none of the southerners made the grade!!!
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I don't know who Tony Da Butcher is, but I think he as missed the point and gone off at a tangent . It has nothing to do with Nationals, this is a regional thing, so some can race at the Brits, in an officially recognised race, sort of the OldSchool King of Kings Race...
..if I'm wrong, please feel free to point me in the right direction, but that's how I understand it.
I have have no interest at all in racing a National Series, does any one else?
Anyone?...
Tony is involved with the southern Region via Hawks BMX - he is Billy Luckhursts Dad and a genuine and nice bloke. Dont think he is trying to antagonise anyone but yes he is wrong about the national standard. I think he is straight on that now. Im in discussion with him about something else so ill make sure he understands...
Personally I just would like to have a National Race once a year when the riders that compete in the OSS in the UK can battle it out for a UK No1 plate or the like. We dont have anything that does this ie where the BOF's and Ivesy's of this world are not allowed to enter as they dont ride OS normally.
MK is an amazing event and we all had a ball in the racing but am i right in saying that everyone of the A Final Doesnt race OS normally?? Northerners please put me right on this as none of the southerners made the grade!!!
Me and JTSmooth don't race new school and made the A final but we did come 8th and 7th :LolLolLolLol: but I know where you are coming from.
It's interesting though when you look at the north region rider list http://www.northregionbmx.org.uk/20080720Leeds_CLASS.htm
that Old school is the joint most supported class alongside payback. They should be asking us to become expert class ;)
Andy
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I don't know who Tony Da Butcher is, but I think he as missed the point and gone off at a tangent . It has nothing to do with Nationals, this is a regional thing, so some can race at the Brits, in an officially recognised race, sort of the OldSchool King of Kings Race...
..if I'm wrong, please feel free to point me in the right direction, but that's how I understand it.
I have have no interest at all in racing a National Series, does any one else?
Anyone?...
Tony is involved with the southern Region via Hawks BMX - he is Billy Luckhursts Dad and a genuine and nice bloke. Dont think he is trying to antagonise anyone but yes he is wrong about the national standard. I think he is straight on that now. Im in discussion with him about something else so ill make sure he understands...
Personally I just would like to have a National Race once a year when the riders that compete in the OSS in the UK can battle it out for a UK No1 plate or the like. We dont have anything that does this ie where the BOF's and Ivesy's of this world are not allowed to enter as they dont ride OS normally.
MK is an amazing event and we all had a ball in the racing but am i right in saying that everyone of the A Final Doesnt race OS normally?? Northerners please put me right on this as none of the southerners made the grade!!!
Bof raced OS until this year where he has raced cruiser, not enough cometition for him up here in OS!!
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JT - Actually you were the only one who regulary races aren't you??? Not surprised he went 'up' in the end .
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I've replied on Talk that this is only for Regionals and Brits
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JT - Actually you were the only one who regulary races aren't you??? Not surprised he went 'up' in the end .
Haro 82 has done a few, he only started mid season :daumenhoch:
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No one did the full 8 rounds!!
Lucky its best 6 out of 8 rounds.
Its been a fun year of racing and a good win by Smoothy
Roll on the winter series!!! :daumenhoch:
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LUCKY WIN YA MEAN MOLEY
NEXT TIME SMOOTHY
R :-* :-* :-*
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LUCKY WIN YA MEAN MOLEY
NEXT TIME SMOOTHY
R :-* :-* :-*
Dude you aint going to win unless you keep pedling down the 2nd, 3rd and 4th straight :daumenhoch:
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AND KEEPIN A BIKE LONG ENOUGH TO GET USED TO IT HA HA HA
R :-*
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AND KEEPIN A BIKE LONG ENOUGH TO GET USED TO IT HA HA HA
R :-*
Dont give us that Sh1t, your like a bullet out of the gate but a snail after the first corner :LolLolLolLol:
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I don't know who Tony Da Butcher is, but I think he as missed the point and gone off at a tangent . It has nothing to do with Nationals, this is a regional thing, so some can race at the Brits, in an officially recognised race, sort of the OldSchool King of Kings Race...
..if I'm wrong, please feel free to point me in the right direction, but that's how I understand it.
I have have no interest at all in racing a National Series, does any one else?
Anyone?...
Tony is involved with the southern Region via Hawks BMX - he is Billy Luckhursts Dad and a genuine and nice bloke. Dont think he is trying to antagonise anyone but yes he is wrong about the national standard. I think he is straight on that now. Im in discussion with him about something else so ill make sure he understands...
Personally I just would like to have a National Race once a year when the riders that compete in the OSS in the UK can battle it out for a UK No1 plate or the like. We dont have anything that does this ie where the BOF's and Ivesy's of this world are not allowed to enter as they dont ride OS normally.
MK is an amazing event and we all had a ball in the racing but am i right in saying that everyone of the A Final Doesnt race OS normally?? Northerners please put me right on this as none of the southerners made the grade!!!
andy lincoln (bigplinky) is proper old school and hasnt raced for yonks and probs only been out on his bike 4 times this year n stayed on once :daumenhoch: :LolLolLolLol:
MK is a different kettle of fish tho, it should be fun and the more the merrier, i think it would be an administrators nightmare to try n keep tabs on who races what regularly and then try n class them fairly at MK. it just goes to show the standard of the oldschoolers who made the qtrs and the finals.
an old school northern non racer won MK O6 (PK6061)
and a 1st series old school racer Nortern won MK 07 (Bof)
and a new to new school racer ex oldschool racer Northern won MK 08 (that'l be Bof again then)
the majority of n/s riders racing oldschool at MK were in fact southern and got beaten by someone who can't stay on his bike for full day :LolLolLolLol:
an old school national race would be cool but the logistics would be a 'mare as the scottish series lads would have to be considered (quite rightly) and that would mean very north midlands/yorkshire area at least, as somewhere between Newcastle and the scottish borders is prob central between Kenny Hunter and the boys and hersden for example.
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Dont give us that Sh1t, your like a bullet out of the gate but a snail after the first corner :LolLolLolLol:
Sound just like me - except for the gate bit!!
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LUCKY WIN YA MEAN MOLEY
NEXT TIME SMOOTHY
R :-* :-* :-*
Dude you aint going to win unless you keep pedling down the 2nd, 3rd and 4th straight :daumenhoch:
MADD DOGG's problem is physics!!
It takes a huge amount of energy to move a mass that large and dense so that when it comes to the Final Straight, all energy is expended and forward momentum is lost due to Gravity and air resistance!!
In layman terms, He's a unfit fatty who runs out of steam after holeshotting the gate!!! :LolLolLolLol:
At least MADD DAWG isn't last out of the gate!!
Even 'Come on Bananaman' is quicker out of the gate than me!!! :(
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It takes a huge amount of energy to move a mass that large and dense so that when it comes to the Final Straight, all energy is expended and forward momentum is lost due to Gravity and air resistance!!
THIS GOES TWICE FOR YOU FATTY :buck2: :buck2: :buck2: :buck2:
R
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Too true!!! :daumenhoch:
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SOZZ MATEY
FORGOT TO ASK HOW YOU AND THE REDLINE GOT ONN
R
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I liked it MADD DOGG!! :daumenhoch:
Its a lot better than either of my Haro Group One's
I shall compare it to my Elf Doublecross when I build it!!
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Just said my bit on bmxtalk :10_2_12:
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Me too :daumenhoch:
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And me!!
I like a good rant!!! :daumenhoch:
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The Old School class is often viewed as being cliquey and separatist... fact.
This is your opportunity to let the rest of the modern BMX Racing world know why you love your old bikes so much and why you should be treated the same.
It's not about causing bad feeling and divisions, thers's enough of that around.
It's good to talk!
Love Peace and Pork Chops.
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I think it's a good debate to get out there, and the general consencus seems to be positive which is good to see. So hopefully next year we can be a BCF class pay our way in the sport officially (like most of us have doen anyway) and get on with enjoying riding our old bikes :daumenhoch:
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The Old School class is often viewed as being cliquey and separatist... fact.
You might see it that way, Tony, but I dont!!
If you went to any of the races oop North you would see that we are very approachable, friendly and supportive of any rider in any class!!
At the end of the day we doing this for the enjoyment not the glory.
OS Racing is just a way back into BMX for those people who wont be able to compete with the NS lot!
Were mostly unfit and crusty and our riding skilsl are way behind most NS'ers
This is your opportunity to let the rest of the modern BMX Racing world know why you love your old bikes so much and why you should be treated the same.
Thats the whole point!! Why aren't we treated the same as any other class?
People have said 'Why dont you race your OS bikes against the NS'ers'!!
That would be unfair to the OS riders. The bikes aren't as strong. The geometry isn't good and they ride like crap compared to NS bikes. The brakes are shite and you have to continually adjust parts on your bike to keep it in trim!!
The simple fact is - Whatever the era that you grow up in effects you for the rest of your life.
We grew up when BMX first did the rounds. Those are the bikes we first loved and still remember today. We know thier crap to ride compared to modern bikes but their individuality, chrome, experimental, flawed, ugly, outrageous, beautiful, powdercoated designs still evoke strong feelings for those that rode these bikes BITD.
Just the same as any Mid Schooler's and their feelings towards the bikes they first rode!!!
In 20 years time, Tony you might be on here spouting how great your bike is compared to any future NS bikes that come along!!
Were having fun and we are not hurting anybody!!
So why do you want to be cliquey and separatist and not let us join in the fun!! :daumenhoch:
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The Old School class is often viewed as being cliquey and separatist... fact.
You might see it that way, Tony, but I dont!!
If you went to any of the races oop North you would see that we are very approachable, friendly and supportive of any rider in any class!!
At the end of the day we doing this for the enjoyment not the glory.
OS Racing is just a way back into BMX for those people who wont be able to compete with the NS lot!
Were mostly unfit and crusty and our riding skilsl are way behind most NS'ers
This is your opportunity to let the rest of the modern BMX Racing world know why you love your old bikes so much and why you should be treated the same.
Thats the whole point!! Why aren't we treated the same as any other class?
People have said 'Why dont you race your OS bikes against the NS'ers'!!
That would be unfair to the OS riders. The bikes aren't as strong. The geometry isn't good and they ride like crap compared to NS bikes. The brakes are shite and you have to continually adjust parts on your bike to keep it in trim!!
The simple fact is - Whatever the era that you grow up in effects you for the rest of your life.
We grew up when BMX first did the rounds. Those are the bikes we first loved and still remember today. We know thier crap to ride compared to modern bikes but their individuality, chrome, experimental, flawed, ugly, outrageous, beautiful, powdercoated designs still evoke strong feelings for those that rode these bikes BITD.
Just the same as any Mid Schooler's and their feelings towards the bikes they first rode!!!
In 20 years time, Tony you might be on here spouting how great your bike is compared to any future NS bikes that come along!!
Were having fun and we are not hurting anybody!!
So why do you want to be cliquey and separatist and not let us join in the fun!! :daumenhoch:
Very well put Moley spot on :daumenhoch:
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The Old School class is often viewed as being cliquey and separatist... fact.
This is your opportunity to let the rest of the modern BMX Racing world know why you love your old bikes so much and why you should be treated the same.
It's not about causing bad feeling and divisions, thers's enough of that around.
It's good to talk!
Love Peace and Pork Chops.
Tony,
I dont know where the insinuation that O/S is cliquey/separatist has come from, speaking for us in the South we all muck in, have made loads of friends that we all enjoy seeing, our kids race, we join other classes and enjoy the trackside banter, lots of us help with running clubs and helping out at Regional events etc
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Well said, 11111Mrs11111Ratty111!!! :daumenhoch:
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The Old School class is often viewed as being cliquey and separatist... fact.
This is your opportunity to let the rest of the modern BMX Racing world know why you love your old bikes so much and why you should be treated the same.
It's not about causing bad feeling and divisions, thers's enough of that around.
It's good to talk!
Love Peace and Pork Chops.
Tony,
I dont know where the insinuation that O/S is cliquey/separatist has come from, speaking for us in the South we all muck in, have made loads of friends that we all enjoy seeing, our kids race, we join other classes and enjoy the trackside banter, lots of us help with running clubs and helping out at Regional events etc
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It was a generalisation I know, but still a fact. I didn't make it up, but I know it's a widely spread feeling that oldschoolers don't mix much with other riders trackside, as they obviously have so much in common with each other, they just keep to each other. Birds of a feather and all that. It's just human nature.
What I'm saying is maybe get amongst the kids and understand them a bit more as well, instead of just being wrapped up in your own little world. Ask them about their bikes, tell them about old times, give them some training tips and advice. You guys have got so much to offer, stop building walls around yourselves.
Nikki/Tony it doesn't apply to your family I know, I would regard you as the perfect example of what can be achieved when OldSchoolers get back into it.
I'm not having a pop, just saying how I see it. Sorry if you disagree, but I still think it's good to talk and maybe get a better understanding of what you guys see as your place in todays sport.
And for those that don't know me I'm probably older than most on here. (But not as old as Humps)
Peace, Love and a Pork Chipolata
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I ride oldschool because its FUN. If I ride at a National it's more serious, and rightly so. I personally wouldn't be interested in any Oldschool Nationals for the same reasons as everyone else - cost, unable to commit due to work, etc etc. An annual MK event is great, it's OUR event, run how WE want it, without any outside interference, and that's how I hope it stays.
The oldschool class contributes a good amount of cash to every region where they race, so why shouldn't we be properly recognised at Regional/Brits Level. The Brits is run by BC and recognises the commitment and support that riders have given to their Region. Oldschool riders have certainly done that this year! This year has shown that an oldschool class can be run at Regionals very successfully with the rules for bikes being agreed by the riders in the oldschool class - no need to rewrite the rulebook on our account ;).
All us oldschoolers want is to be allowed to get up on the gate and race. We understand we're not as fast/skillful as we used to be, otherwise we'd be riding Masters or Cruiser, but BMX is supposed to be a family sport so it would be nice if BC gave recognition to a very well supported class which has within it's ranks a fair few riders who were there at the beginning of the sport.
give them some training tips and advice.
Tony, some of the 6 and unders could teach some of us a thing or two mate! :LolLolLolLol:
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Just on a technical note Kenny..
The Brits is run by the Regions not British Cycling or the Commission, thats why the Regions were asked to vote on whether or not to allow an OldSchool class at the Brits next year.
The BMX Commission run the Natonal Series. All under the umbrella of BC of course (at present).
In reality, the Regional officers and the Commision are pretty much the same people, just Mums and Dads.
Just like in the old days eh? he he!
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Thanks for pointing that out Tony. What I meant was that The Brits is an entirely Domestic event, nothing to do with UCI or other outside influences. Even better then, I can't really see any Regions objecting to one of their most popular classes being included in the Brits, as recognition of their continued support throughout the year. :daumenhoch:
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I think the South West and East Anglia could be the stumbling block as they are known as pure race regions, might be surprised though.
South have said yes already.
You need all regions to say yes to get the proposal through.
This could go on into next year which is one of the reasons I wanted to start a debate and get the other regions to take it seriously and give it some thought and a fair hearing.
Good luck.
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Whats all this rubbish about old skoolers keeping themselves to themselves :idiot2: most of us,me included know most of the n/s people whether they be 5 years old or 35+ and also have a hell of a lot of banter with the younger generation at the race meetings ;) thats another reason why i still race,whether it be 40+ or old skool,competing at regionals and nationals along side the new generation keeps me feeling young at heart :LolLolLolLol:
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the north series o/s is still quite new and i would say from our perspective its the other way round, the n/s appear to give us a wide berth, we are there, in the middle of it, and im sure as time goes on then the barriers will drop, but you can't force people to be sociable, we are still the new kids at school at the mo, its six n two threes, neither one side or the other, no cliques, just human nature
its racing not interfacing that counts :daumenhoch:
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I agree Daz,
At Manchester we were having some Craic with the NSer's
But its like life in general.
If you dont know anyone then you seem standoffish and distant. Over time you get to know people and and get some rapport going and you begin to integrate more!!
It just takes a bit of time!!
At the end of the day we are all riders that enjoy what we do!! :daumenhoch:
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I think the South West and East Anglia could be the stumbling block as they are known as pure race regions, might be surprised though.
South have said yes already.
You need all regions to say yes to get the proposal through.
This could go on into next year which is one of the reasons I wanted to start a debate and get the other regions to take it seriously and give it some thought and a fair hearing.
Good luck.
Paula Hallett the regional secretary for the South-West was the 1st person to reply to my email and she is bringing it up at their upcoming AGM, as for the EA I hope to get some positve response from them soon as I know for a fact that we have enough riders (im one of them) and please Tony, we do seperate ourselves from everyone else and I dont know why you are trying to put that across? ???
AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR NATIONAL RECOGNITION, we are asking for Regional and the Brits :daumenhoch:
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sam
there seems a lot of negativity on bmx talk towards us old skoolers
they have got the wrong end of the stick about us wanting nationals too
im in ea to and will be sending an email later on to fight the cause :daumenhoch:
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I have just gave 'em some hard facts on the money generated by the OS in the North Region!!
More money was generated by OS than any other Class for Race fees by about £100 at least over the year.
They seem to get hung up on Nationals when Nishiki14 never even mentioned he wanted to race Nationals.
Roger has said that the riders would need a minimum requirement of a "Bronze Membership" with no need for the race licence because it would be at regional level not national level.
All that was said was that you need a Bronze Membership and no race license was needed because we are not racing Nationals.
Some people are just idiots!! :idiot2:
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Some people are just idiots!! idiot2
you would know matey
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Russ, you didn't even get your Idiot Smiley to work!! :idiot2:
You :idiot2: