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Events => Old School Series Racing => Topic started by: Sanmarcopizza on January 18, 2009, 07:23 PM
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Guys n Dolls,
I have been asked by Roger Wilbraham from the BCF to gain input on what should be the qualification criteria for the old school class in this years Brits. I have already had a chat with a few of the old brigade in the north and have come up with what I personally think is an acceptable situation.
As is the situation for qualification for the Brits, you will need to have competed in 5 out of the 8 rounds in the summer series. I feel that a significant number of rounds should be competed in the old school racing series. Initially I thought it should be all 5, however after discussing this, 3 would seem more sensible for the following reason. There are a number of old schoolers out there who race competitively in other classes, and it would be unfair to restrict people who still keep in with the old school class, but favor an alternative class for most of the season.
This should hopefully prevent any trophy hunting sandbaggers from entering the old school class on the day, but will allow some of the fit guys to do more than one class, if they have supported the OS series.
Well that's my opinion, but I think there are 3 options to consider and comment on all the same.
- 1) No old school specific rounds completed
- 2) 3 speciific old school rounds completed
- 2) 5 speciific old school rounds completed
With regards to bike criteria, I think the “Alans” 1" Threaded fork/brake bridge brake criteria is acceptable, with no limit on bike age. As the OS class has become more serious, the bike of choice has evolved into longer mid school bikes, which offer stronger, and more stable rides.
So, over to you guys.
Cheers,
San
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Criteria; ANY bmx ffs! (o/s, m/s, n/s) rider must be 35 or over :D
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I would say option 2........
2) 3 speciific old school rounds completed
because 5 races is more than most can do and 3 show's you supported the OS in your region :daumenhoch:
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3 rounds what about work commitments
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Guys, to clarify, you will need to have completed 5 rounds to be able to qualify for the Brits, the question is how many should be specifically in the old school class, if any.
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hey san mate ,,,,hope your ok
think 3 outta 5 rounds is spot on mate that way the guys that race cruiser aswell can try do both
fit buggas
but yeh 3 old school specific races out of the 5 to qualify for the brits sound good
russ :buck2:
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Guys, to clarify, you will need to have completed 5 rounds to be able to qualify for the Brits, the question is how many should be specifically in the old school class, if any.
R, at least one!! Tho that dont show much support for the OS IMO ???
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3 sounds good to me, as I may well do old school at the Brits, whilst doing 40+ as well, and it should stop sand baggers too :daumenhoch:
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All I'll do then is roll off the gate at three rounds of the old school. :LolLolLolLol:
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way to go zippy way around everything
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si
still a full race though ,,,no half laps then cuttin the track
r :knuppel2: :knuppel2:
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If someone does 5 rounds, riding Oldschool at each round, and they qualify for the Brits, will they be allowed to choose to race Cruiser/Masters as well? If so, can we really deny riders who qualify for the Brits by riding other classes from riding Oldschool if they want to? Or will those who qualify for the Brits via Oldschool be restricted to Oldschool only? I think if we try to apply too many oldschool-only qualifying criteria then the Oldschool runs the risk of being viewed not as a legitimate class, but as a radbmx clique-class, where we only want rad members to take part and no-one else.
If we want the Oldschool to be thought of as a 'proper' class then we need to allow anyone who qualifies for the Brits to take part if they want to. In reality, I don't think there would be many, if any, who would want to ride oldschool if they weren't already involved. If the real concerns here are that a lot of the oldschoolers could get blown away and made to look like a load of sad old duffers, then we have to ask ourselves should we really be riding at the Brits at all?
Sorry to be acting as Devil's Advocate, but I think the less rules the better, then we can be viewed as a 'proper' class just like all the others. If they qualified for the Brits via whatever class, and they're riding an Oldschool legal bike then I say let 'em race. Those who think they honestly have a chance to win the title might just have to up their game a bit if some of the newschool come aboard (unlikely), and those who are just there for a bit of fun and the banter will still have fun and banter.
We didn't have such protective criteria at MK08 and everyone had an ace time so I see no reason why The Brits should be any different.
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Did'nt know some of that info kenny, see where your coming from :daumenhoch:
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Just thought a few points needed raising John. The way I see it, we can't start applying special conditions to the Oldschool class then expect to be treated the same as all the other established classes
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Kenny is right!!
The whole point of trying to get OS recognised was to get to be a serious class at the Brits.
If all the other classes allow you to race 5 rounds and then chose which classes you want to race then it has to be the same for OS.
Men, woman, children................the more the merrier!!
OS should be all inclusive!!
If you have a bike that meets the specs then you should be able to race it!!
Any Sandbaggers will be publicly shamed by entering OS just because they are trophy hounds.
Anyone else will just enter for a laugh!! :daumenhoch:
If after the Brits, we find the spirit of OS was pissed upon by a load of sandbaggers then maybe we could add some rules to stop the sandbaggers!!
For this year, we should just see how it goes!! :daumenhoch:
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If someone does 5 rounds, riding Oldschool at each round, and they qualify for the Brits, will they be allowed to choose to race Cruiser/Masters as well? If so, can we really deny riders who qualify for the Brits by riding other classes from riding Oldschool if they want to? Or will those who qualify for the Brits via Oldschool be restricted to Oldschool only? I think if we try to apply too many oldschool-only qualifying criteria then the Oldschool runs the risk of being viewed not as a legitimate class, but as a radbmx clique-class, where we only want rad members to take part and no-one else.
If we want the Oldschool to be thought of as a 'proper' class then we need to allow anyone who qualifies for the Brits to take part if they want to. In reality, I don't think there would be many, if any, who would want to ride oldschool if they weren't already involved. If the real concerns here are that a lot of the oldschoolers could get blown away and made to look like a load of sad old duffers, then we have to ask ourselves should we really be riding at the Brits at all?
Sorry to be acting as Devil's Advocate, but I think the less rules the better, then we can be viewed as a 'proper' class just like all the others. If they qualified for the Brits via whatever class, and they're riding an Oldschool legal bike then I say let 'em race. Those who think they honestly have a chance to win the title might just have to up their game a bit if some of the newschool come aboard (unlikely), and those who are just there for a bit of fun and the banter will still have fun and banter.
We didn't have such protective criteria at MK08 and everyone had an ace time so I see no reason why The Brits should be any different.
Dude, you said everything I wanted to..........but the delivery was so much better! :daumenhoch:
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As far as i am aware Old School has been recognised as a class in it's own right for 2009 and riders will need to satisfy their own regions criteria for qualification. I think in the South region that may be 5 from 8 rounds but as dates/details have yet to be announced i dont know for sure.
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A couple of different view points well put. Anyone else ?
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Also bear in mind that there are always some fierce battles between the Regions for points for the title of No.1 Region, so we might just see some sandbaggers entering for what they might view as 'easy points' for their Region. :(
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gotta agree with kennys earlier post sums it all up in a nut shell :daumenhoch:
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as nishiki 14 has mentioned in earlier posts the ea region is struggling to get riders at the mo although i hope this changes in the summer what will happen if only 2 riders turn up we wont be allowed to race will we ? what happens then as we have turned up at the regional ? does this qualify still for brits even though we didnt race ?
hope someone could clarify this plz fellas :D
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If only 2 people turn up to a regional then you still race!!
They will just stick you into another class that is also short of riders to make a full gate!!
Your points will then be split back into the separate classes!
So there is no excuse not to race!!
Even if there is only 1 OS rider. You could still race!! :daumenhoch:
Just hope that they lump you in with the 6 year old girls. That way you might not look too slow!!
Although if it was me, I'd probably get beat!! Them pesky kids!! :LolLolLolLol:
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I'll race whatever is required to qualify for the BRITS... I raced them last year and despite crashing out with nikishi in the Semi-Final it was AWESOME!!! :daumenhoch:
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Some good points well made. Personally we shouldn't be seen as an exception and have different rules.
Having said that no one has said anything about the bike criteria. What's the rationale of not having an age limit on the bike? The initial post said the mid school bikes are stronger and more stable. Doesn't that defeat the object of OS. If there's a genuine safety issue with the pre 1990 bikes then fair enough, but if not, then surely the point is to test your skills using bikes of the era. Not using OS bikes would be like driving a kit car that looks old in the London to Brighton old crocks race.
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I've stumbled on this post lookin for the 2009 Brits dates.....in a nutshell:
3 races shows support for OS.
There's only so many uncracked iron-horses around that will take our weight/impact of hookin another set of doubles.
Sand beggars! will face the wrath of the OSers if they make the podium.
The more the merrier...............when's the Brits again?!
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Mid school is where it's at. :(
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Sorry, I meant to say Mid to New. :-\
Clear as mud.
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only just seen this thread.
i have done my 5 regional races at 30-39 cruiser so am qualified to do the brits.
now in our mids region there is maybe 1 or 2 others who could race os but they are racing ns so they can race brits in that cattorgory,can i still race os even though i have done enough races or have i got to do some rounds on an os bike?
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or have i got to do some rounds on an os bike?
What is an 'os bike'?? :-[(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/salwa002/architecture/old%20bike.jpg)
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Somebody please explain to me what a "Sandbagger" is, I'm such a n00b :-[ :P ??? :daumenhoch:
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:) Keep the sandbaggers out,it just pisses off the true OS Series racers who have made the effort.Technically they may have eligible but have an unfair advantage.Not made up my mind on the bikes,sticking with 1" threaded headset/caliper brake format,no"reissue" frames/bikes...
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Somebody please explain to me what a "Sandbagger" is, I'm such a n00b :-[ :P ??? :daumenhoch:
basically someone who races a different class (n/s) and enters the o/s for an easier ride n win
option 2 should be the absolute minimum, i'm not racin the brits as its a canny hike this year but would be dissapointed if someone who aint put the leg work into o/s was racing the o/s at the brits.
any other races don't bother me as such as the more the merrier for me and its usually the peeps who raced o/s initially n moved on n just fancy blast in the past, which is cool, its good to be kept on your toes :daumenhoch: and it doesn't really affect the tables over all, but the brits should be an culmination of all genuine o/s series riders pitted against each other, otherwise, whats the point? (and what exactly do the "sandbaggers" get out of this if they win? its a pretty empty victory if ya ask me) the rules could never be too strict in regards to o/s attendance to qualify for the brits o/s IMO.
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Now that the OS is recognised as a regional class then it conforms to the same rules as all the other classes, if you do your 5 regionals then you can enter as many classes as you want at the Brits, and that goes for everybody :daumenhoch:
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I can see Jai is eyeing up an 01 plate ;)
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Contenders.......
Bof
Jai
Greg (badbmx dude)
Scott Davidson
Either of the Archibald's
Big Plinky
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Bleating on about 'sandbaggers' just devalues the OS class. It's a clique-ish term to describe anyone with more ability than yourself, and it's a bit like saying you have to be crap to race old bikes....and thats not the case, because there are talented riders are in the OS class, and a lot more would want to get involved if it wasn't for silly finger-pointing like this. A lot of riders in the OS series never raced back in the 80's, yet would seem happy to deny a place on the gate to riders who have supported the sport since year dot. The more the merrier I say.
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What a load of absolute shite. You know who you are, you pricks. :daumenhoch:
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S T E L L A
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S T E L L A
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Stella pricks. :daumenhoch:
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I can see Jai is eyeing up an 01 plate ;)
not me mate im up for the 40+ title :daumenhoch: oh and MK09 :daumenhoch:
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I can see Jai is eyeing up an 01 plate ;)
not me mate im up for the 40+ title :daumenhoch: oh and MK09 :daumenhoch:
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Bleating on about 'sandbaggers' just devalues the OS class. It's a clique-ish term to describe anyone with more ability than yourself, and it's a bit like saying you have to be crap to race old bikes....and thats not the case, because there are talented riders are in the OS class, and a lot more would want to get involved if it wasn't for silly finger-pointing like this. A lot of riders in the OS series never raced back in the 80's, yet would seem happy to deny a place on the gate to riders who have supported the sport since year dot. The more the merrier I say.
I agree :daumenhoch:
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When Alan Woods started oldschool races at the beginning of the decade I thought it was great that I might get to line up on the gate alongside my childhood heroes like Alan himself, Terry Lloyd, and maybe the like of Craig Schofield, Tony Slater etc. It's a shame we don't see them anymore, taking part in the oldschool races. Maybe they think we'll accuse them of sandbagging, which is a real shame in my opinion, if that's the case.
Bearing in mind what happened a couple of years ago in the cruiser classes, maybe we should add rules about no gears and no suspension, so we don't get some tosser who has never raced any regionals turning up on an oldschool mountainbike :2gunsfiring_v1:
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In the Northern Region, I think its generally accepted that OS is 20/24" BMX (unmodified) 1" Threaded Headset and forks and a Caliper mounted brake. Single gear only and no suspension.
Although if BigPlinky turned up with his browning to a Northern Regional then I wouldn't object as I'd like to see it in action. The same with some 1" Threaded Answer Pro Forx but only as a one-off spectacle.
OS isn't Suspension or gears and should never be. Gears never took off BITD and suspension is definitely Mid School even if they did do some 1" forks.
The same goes for someone who finds some obscure clipless pedals from 1985 etc, etc.
The longer TT frames are fine if they adhere to the 1" HS and brake rules but everyone has a duty to keep the playing field level.
I dont care about sandbaggers. Everyone is welcome..............so long as their ride is within the rules!!
Thats what I think!! :daumenhoch:
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i can honestly say sussy forx are no advantage, front wheel drift in the berms and fallin sideways on the gate ::) ;D as for "sandbaggers" there aint an issue with the regular races IMO as all/more are welcome, i just feel the brits should represent a true indication of regular o/s racers :daumenhoch:
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..............there aint an issue with the regular races IMO as all/more are welcome, i just feel the brits should represent a true indication of regular o/s racers :daumenhoch:
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Let em all race..... i dont care where me or anyone finishes!!! i'm just having a laugh and it would be an empty victory for a top class racer to jump on an o/s bike for the brits just to win a trophy... we have to believe in the honesty of others, were the same as any other class (maybe a little better) and if you qualify race what you want.
I dont know which final it was on sunday at leeds in o/s but the 2 lads leading were laughing and joking round the last bend onto the home straight with the guy commentating...... thats o/s at its best. just getting stuck in and what will be will be.......
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WAT THE HELL
I MIGHT DO 2 CLASSES
40+ CRUISER
AND OLD SCHOOL
FOOKIN LAFF AT ME AT THE BACK OF CRUISERS HA HA HA
RUSS
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WAT THE HELL
I MIGHT DO 2 CLASSES
40+ CRUISER
AND OLD SCHOOL
FOOKIN LAFF AT ME AT THE BACK OF CRUISERS HA HA HA
RUSS
...and at the back of the oldschool aswell ;D
Keep up the good work Russ.
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LOVE YA BRENN :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1: :2gunsfiring_v1:
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Leave it be for the Brits.................So long as the bike is legal and the rider has qualified for the brits then its fine!! :daumenhoch:
After the Brits we can all review it if we think anyone's taking the pee or we need to make the rules stricter!! :D
Which I dont think will happen!! :)
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Leave it be for the Brits.................So long as the bike is legal and the rider has qualified for the brits then its fine!! :daumenhoch:
After the Brits we can all review it if we think anyone's taking the pee or we need to make the rules stricter!! :D
Which I dont think will happen!! :)
It's Feck All to do with us, BC make the rules!
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One question i would ask if like the Midlands Region they dont recognise old skool at there regionals how would someone qualify and what about if they have been told to have 6 months off the bike for health reasons aswell how do they qualify.... but in my eyes Old Skool has always been seen as a bit of a laugh event so why have any qualifying for it at all
just my opinion
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One question i would ask if like the Midlands Region they dont recognise old skool at there regionals how would someone qualify and what about if they have been told to have 6 months off the bike for health reasons aswell how do they qualify.... but in my eyes Old Skool has always been seen as a bit of a laugh event so why have any qualifying for it at all
just my opinion
Its a good point Chris but last year everyone tried to get the OS Class recognised at the Brits instead of just having it as a fun race.
Now OS is recognised, its been regionalised so its lost some riders from the southern regions for various reasons (injury, Cruiser etc, etc) and due to the number of riders being split into regions.
Maybe after the Brits it might encourage a few Midland riders to start racing along with the Welsh. Hopefully the Southern regions will pick up too.
The Scots will be a force to reckon with at the Brits and maybe MK09. Feckin' fast!
Bof better start practicing!! :D