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BMX General => BMX Chat => Topic started by: BMX1973 on November 12, 2014, 09:37 AM
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I know we all love Raleigh Burners here, well I like them.
Remember a few kids round my way had the MK1 and always talking about if the Blue & yellow or the Red & Yellow combination was best!
What do Radster think?
Result will be shown after you have voted.
This is not slate a Raleigh Burner thread :radbmxsmilie:
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Blue and Yellow for me , proper iconic BMX bike (BMX term used very loosely :D)
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It is Iconic :daumenhoch:
Blue and Yellow for me , proper iconic BMX bike (BMX term used very loosely :D)
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Yep blue and yellow. :daumenhoch:
Reds a shit colour innit Joff. ??? :LolLolLolLol:
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Are we talking red/yellow basic Burner and blue/yellow basic, or blue/yellow Tuff? ???
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Basic Burners. :daumenhoch:
Are we talking red/yellow basic Burner and blue/yellow basic, or blue/yellow Tuff? ???
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Basic Burners. :daumenhoch:
Are we talking red/yellow basic Burner and blue/yellow basic, or blue/yellow Tuff? ???
Gotcha, very rare the blue/yellow basic Burners.
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A mate of mine did add yellow tuffs to his. It looked so cool 8)
Basic Burners. :daumenhoch:
Are we talking red/yellow basic Burner and blue/yellow basic, or blue/yellow Tuff? ???
Gotcha, very rare the blue/yellow basic Burners.
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I'm a bit 50/50 on this one :crazy2:, as i drooled over both colour combo's as a kid:). Especially with the yellow Tuffs on them :smitten:, if i had to make the choice if i think the blue/yellow combo would just edge it out. ;)
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A mate of mine did add yellow tuffs to his. It looked so cool 8)
Basic Burners. :daumenhoch:
Are we talking red/yellow basic Burner and blue/yellow basic, or blue/yellow Tuff? ???
Gotcha, very rare the blue/yellow basic Burners.
They sold them in 82, when they launched the range, then by late 83 when the phase 2 Mk1's were released, they had gone with the basic red/yellow model carrying on into the Mk2 range.
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did you say MKII Dan :crazy2:
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did you say MKII Dan :crazy2:
Accept them Rob, they happened, they still happen. ::) :daumenhoch:
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no way Dan......it's my mission to eradicate the world of all trace ;D ;)
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Have we got any pictures?
I have no idea what these bikes look like and need pictures to make an informed decision :-\
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Every poll needs a cheese option :police:
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Have we got any pictures?
I have no idea what these bikes look like and need pictures to make an informed decision :-\
Here you go Mr SG:
(http://dtrcartwright.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Burner/83%20Burner%20Blue.jpg)
(http://dtrcartwright.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Burner/83B%20Red%20Burner.jpg)
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Have we got any pictures?
I have no idea what these bikes look like and need pictures to make an informed decision :-\
Here you go Mr SG:
(http://dtrcartwright.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Burner/83%20Burner%20Blue.jpg)
(http://dtrcartwright.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Burner/83B%20Red%20Burner.jpg)
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The grips and nylon/Velcro pads on the red one indicate that it's a phase II, Mk1.
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It's a good question..... ::)
Although plenty had the red personally I always preferred the blue and yellow one !
Maybe the cooler kids had the blue one Bitd ... You know how these things usually work :coolsmiley:
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This is a phase one, Viscount grips, vinyl pads with press studs, Kashi MX seat, rat trap pedals.
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Yep blue and yellow. :daumenhoch:
Reds a shit colour innit Joff. ??? :LolLolLolLol:
Too rigt Nick :daumenhoch: I ofcourse was keeping my football allegiances at one side when carefully considering the vote :whistle:
Not !! :D
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Despite my personal thoughts about them, they were very well marketed with great colour schemes - I think of the non-pro/aero ones the ultra burner had the best colours though
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Despite my personal thoughts about them, they were very well marketed with great colour schemes - I think of the non-pro/aero ones the ultra burner had the best colours though
The Super Tuff gold and black was a stroke of genius IMHO. :Great_Britain:
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cheese for me
did raleigh/tange not build only one real bmx
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I voted blue and yellow as this was the least offensive.
I hated burners, the bottom bracket was so high it looked like it was riding around with its arse in the air. I know that burners are a sub BMX species in their own right, but Raleigh did Grifters and nothing was going to beat that.
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This is a phase one, Viscount grips, vinyl pads with press studs, Kashi MX seat, rat trap pedals.
Thanks for the info about the phase 1/phase 2 spec. So what models were out during phase 1? Just the blue/yellow & red/yellow or were there others?
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This is a phase one, Viscount grips, vinyl pads with press studs, Kashi MX seat, rat trap pedals.
Thanks for the info about the phase 1/phase 2 spec. So what models were out during phase 1? Just the blue/yellow, or where there others?
As far as I know:
Mini (red)
Mini (blue)
Red/yellow
Blue/yellow
GS (catalogue special)
GX (catalogue special)
Chrome
Tuff
Super (with coaster tab)
Super Tuff
Ultra
Cromo
Pro
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Are you sure it was a kashi MX and not a Viscount One ?
I'm sure my GS Burner only came with a copy seat ? I could be wrong though? ::)
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Are you sure it was a kashi MX and not a Viscount One ?
I'm sure my GS Burner only came with a copy seat ? I could be wrong though? ::)
Could be Ant, makes sense as they're using Viscount grips.
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GS came with viscount Raleigh branded seat :daumenhoch:
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GS came with viscount Raleigh branded seat :daumenhoch:
Cheers for confirming Rob, I knew all the Phase I, Mk1's had MX seats but assumed they were Kashimax. I think the Pro Burner favoured a Kashi though.
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
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I like the red and yellow best although the blue and yellow tuff was one of the first BMX's I recall seeing ( the boys that lived opposite me had them) and I lusted after and hoped Id get for xmas etc (never did tho)
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I think it was the first BMX I recall seeing too in the flesh. :-\ Most of the kids round my way had a Diamond Back. :)
I like the red and yellow best although the blue and yellow tuff was one of the first BMX's I recall seeing ( the boys that lived opposite me had them) and I lusted after and hoped Id get for xmas etc (never did tho)
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
For me its the other way round, the MK1 can be forgiven due to the early stage of BMX and Raleigh's first attempt, the MK2 should've been where they corrected all the original design issues and even copied the Tange geometry? But instead they fooked it up again and for that reason I think its one of the worst things made in BMX
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I never had a burner, but I agree with the above. The MK1 looks sort of cool because of the gusset. The MK2 just looks wrong to me. The rear end geometry is just :-[
So what's the difference between the:
Tuff
and
Super (with coaster tab)
Was the Super Tuff gold with black tuffs?
Great thread by the way. The night burner and extra burner were always my favourites :smitten:
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I never had a burner, but I agree with the above. The MK1 looks sort of cool because of the gusset. The MK2 just looks wrong to me. The rear end geometry is just :-[
So what's the difference between the:
Tuff
and
Super (with coaster tab)
Was the Super Tuff gold with black tuffs?
Great thread by the way. The night burner and extra burner were always my favourites :smitten:
The Tuff was the blue/yellow bike, with Skyway Tuff II's, this then became the Mag Burner replacing the Tuffs with the French made Simpkex 7 spoke wheels.
The Super Burner was gold, with gold wheels (weinmann's), gold chain wheel etc, the Super Tuff had black Tuffs and better spec.
By the time the Phase II, Mk1's had been released (1983), there were a few additions to the range:
Mini (chrome)
Extra
Night
Aero Pro (replacing Pro)
The biggest differences from Phase I's to Phase II's were that the pad sets had been replaced from vinyl with press studs to nylon/Velcro, the grips had changed from Viscount to Fuan (large dot type) on low end Burners, and Tange in the mid range bikes, the seats were changed from MX type, to 'Bmx' aero type, pedals were changed from rat traps, to Sugino Maxy Cross plastic ones, Cheng Shin snake bellies replaced by Cheng Shin Comp III's.
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didn't the MKI supers come with gold covered raliegh steelies Dan?
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didn't the MKI supers come with gold covered raliegh steelies Dan?
Could have been Rob, it's been a while since I looked at the spec lists, Glynn will correct me. :daumenhoch:
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Blue / Yellow with tuffs.
Red / Yellow with spokes.
That was how I always remembered them to be.
Always liked the gold super burners.
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always loved the MKI Tuff, my mates had them and i was so jealous. Loved my old GS though :smitten:
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always loved the MKI Tuff, my mates had them and i was so jealous. Loved my old GS though :smitten:
...and your new one. :coolsmiley:
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yes i must get on with that :-[ i still need to get a seat clamp and get the frame, forks, bars and stem top off to Dan to paint
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
For me its the other way round, the MK1 can be forgiven due to the early stage of BMX and Raleigh's first attempt, the MK2 should've been where they corrected all the original design issues and even copied the Tange geometry? But instead they fooked it up again and for that reason I think its one of the worst things made in BMX
true in a sense . the mk 2 was terrible to ride but 25.4 seatposts and single gussets always look wrong and were well phased out in the industry by the time the mk1 came out . shame raleigh was ran by sturmey archer who got famous from a hub designed in 1915 where their thinking stayed.
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As it's not a Burner bashing thread I will just add that you all seem to have forgotten the Tange made Cromo Burner which was out at the time the Aero Pro appeared. Before I get flamed I am only speaking from memory though as I recall the first time my brother and I first set eyes on the beautiful Aero Pro and it's down-specked younger sibling at the same time Which my parents bought for him for cChristmas (the Chromo not the Aero - it was £180 vs £250 and nobody had a £250 bike where we lived!)
It's the only oldschool bike he took to Australia with him as the lucky sod still has it now. When he put it in the container to ship it he told the packing company it was his most prized possession after his kids and wife........ :shocked:
Oh, with a gun to my head I would choose blue and yellow as the red is terrible :2funny:
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blue and yellow for me, I likes the way the rivers ripples reflected the two colours on the top of the water as it lay 4 feet under.....
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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:LolLolLolLol:
blue and yellow for me, I likes the way the rivers ripples reflected the two colours on the top of the water as it lay 4 feet under.....
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Really surprised with the results so far, I would have guessed the Red/Yellow would come out on top :-\
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the best phase for Burners is when the 'phased' them out ;D
hopefully with Phasers ... set to KILL
(http://www.kalanlp.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/g/mgfb321.jpg)
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:LolLolLolLol:
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
For me its the other way round, the MK1 can be forgiven due to the early stage of BMX and Raleigh's first attempt, the MK2 should've been where they corrected all the original design issues and even copied the Tange geometry? But instead they fooked it up again and for that reason I think its one of the worst things made in BMX
true in a sense . the mk 2 was terrible to ride but 25.4 seatposts and single gussets always look wrong and were well phased out in the industry by the time the mk1 came out . shame raleigh was ran by sturmey archer who got famous from a hub designed in 1915 where their thinking stayed.
What makes it even more frustrating and totally baffling is that Raleigh could have easily produced a much better bike than the MK2 Burner and then Styler given their US connections with Rampar then Raleigh Racing.
Raleigh had used this formula of pinching ideas from the states successfully with the Chopper, Grifter and then the MK1 Burner which is obviously based on the Rampar R10, (which was already outdated in the US by '82).
Why didn't they do the same for the MK2? Although Raleigh had licensed their international activities to Huffy by this stage and the bikes where sold as Raleigh Racing, I'm sure they could still have collaborated R&D.
UK got the Raleigh Burner MK2, US got the RR series :wtf:
UK got the Raleigh Styler, US got the Raleigh Shock :wtf:
Unfortunately Raleigh like many other British companies of this time was run by idiots.
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
For me its the other way round, the MK1 can be forgiven due to the early stage of BMX and Raleigh's first attempt, the MK2 should've been where they corrected all the original design issues and even copied the Tange geometry? But instead they fooked it up again and for that reason I think its one of the worst things made in BMX
true in a sense . the mk 2 was terrible to ride but 25.4 seatposts and single gussets always look wrong and were well phased out in the industry by the time the mk1 came out . shame raleigh was ran by sturmey archer who got famous from a hub designed in 1915 where their thinking stayed.
What makes it even more frustrating and totally baffling is that Raleigh could have easily produced a much better bike than the MK2 Burner and then Styler given their US connections with Rampar then Raleigh Racing.
Raleigh had used this formula of pinching ideas from the states successfully with the Chopper, Grifter and then the MK1 Burner which is obviously based on the Rampar R10, (which was already outdated in the US by '82).
Why didn't they do the same for the MK2? Although Raleigh had licensed their international activities to Huffy by this stage and the bikes where sold as Raleigh Racing, I'm sure they could still have collaborated R&D.
UK got the Raleigh Burner MK2, US got the RR series :wtf:
UK got the Raleigh Styler, US got the Raleigh Shock :wtf:
Unfortunately Raleigh like many other British companies of this time was run by idiots.
Rod, I reckon that they were that excited wetting their pants about using oval tubing on the main tubes, that they totally forgot to design the geometry properly. :shocked: ::)
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mk 1 was the pits !! mk 2 a little better !
For me its the other way round, the MK1 can be forgiven due to the early stage of BMX and Raleigh's first attempt, the MK2 should've been where they corrected all the original design issues and even copied the Tange geometry? But instead they fooked it up again and for that reason I think its one of the worst things made in BMX
true in a sense . the mk 2 was terrible to ride but 25.4 seatposts and single gussets always look wrong and were well phased out in the industry by the time the mk1 came out . shame raleigh was ran by sturmey archer who got famous from a hub designed in 1915 where their thinking stayed.
What makes it even more frustrating and totally baffling is that Raleigh could have easily produced a much better bike than the MK2 Burner and then Styler given their US connections with Rampar then Raleigh Racing.
Raleigh had used this formula of pinching ideas from the states successfully with the Chopper, Grifter and then the MK1 Burner which is obviously based on the Rampar R10, (which was already outdated in the US by '82).
Why didn't they do the same for the MK2? Although Raleigh had licensed their international activities to Huffy by this stage and the bikes where sold as Raleigh Racing, I'm sure they could still have collaborated R&D.
UK got the Raleigh Burner MK2, US got the RR series :wtf:
UK got the Raleigh Styler, US got the Raleigh Shock :wtf:
Unfortunately Raleigh like many other British companies of this time was run by idiots.
Rod, I reckon that they were that excited wetting their pants about using oval tubing on the main tubes, that they totally forgot to design the geometry properly. :shocked: ::)
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I had an Aero Pro... 8)
I can assure you it was the dogs boll@cks bitd...
When the local bmx community found out i was getting one for xmas, there was 20 kids outside my door as i rolled this thing of beauty out...
Sorry, cheese for me... :-[
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I'm a big fan of the red and yellow however my current build is a mk1 blue and yellow can get hold of red one !
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got to be the red and yellow for me... only coz i had one .. i wont ever admit that ever again . :-[
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I had an Aero Pro... 8)
I can assure you it was the dogs boll@cks bitd...
When the local bmx community found out i was getting one for xmas, there was 20 kids outside my door as i rolled this thing of beauty out...
Sorry, cheese for me... :-[
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:welcome anymore votes. :)