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Mid School BMX (>87) 1989 to 2003 (<05) => Mid School ( Keep the faith ) => Topic started by: darkersomeday on July 09, 2007, 04:06 PM
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i spotted this on e-bay listed as,
"vintage profile cranks with unknown frame,forks, bars etc,"
its actually a "21tt standard 125bicyclemotocross!
with early standard bash forks, standard stem and early standard strip bars!
with the profile cranks!
trouble is the seatpost and cranks are seized in there like a bastard!
i'm going to soak&cherry them to get them out,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff004.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff005.jpg)
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is that the twinkle of chrome i see?
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Now thats a cracking find
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tis indeed chrome phil!
i think it may have been one of the translucent jobbies,
i've got my work cut out with this one i think!
i want to get it looking like the challenger,
£60 :smitten:
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I believe that model was just called Bicycle Moto Cross. They became 125R when Standard started using the air hardened tubing.
A 97 Bicycle Moto Cross replaced my 96 Holmes then I got a 2001 125R (not as good as the Bicycle Moto Cross in my opinion).
That there is one of the best 90s race bikes.
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:4_17_5: tis a sweety good win bro
that looks like a great project
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I believe that model was just called Bicycle Moto Cross. They became 125R when Standard started using the air hardened tubing.
A 97 Bicycle Moto Cross replaced my 96 Holmes then I got a 2001 125R (not as good as the Bicycle Moto Cross in my opinion).
That there is one of the best 90s race bikes.
i think you could be right there mike,
the frame looks early enough to be a "bicyclemotocross"
they did make a "125 bicyclemotocross" frame though, with either u-brake lugs or canti mounts,
if you look at the toptube sticker in the photo you can see theres no "R" behind it,
i had intended to use these on the "125r" frame also in the pic but i seemed a shame so i picked up a set of "125r" stickers for it last week,
its not 100% accurate but i'm going to use the "125bicyclemotocross" set on this new arrival, would it be wrong to?
i'm planning to do the whole thing in fresh black powdercoat, would it be better to have it re-chromed instead?
i'm sure i got the 125r off you mike :LolLolLolLol:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/IMG_5027.jpg)
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sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
another top build in the making DSD :daumenhoch:
:) DINGO :)
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i've got 5 on the go at once for some reason! :LolLolLolLol:
heres how the 125r will look, clear gloss powder, i'm trying to colour match the forks and bars with the army green on the stickers :idiot2:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sfindstuff.jpg)
standard army!
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mmm that will look the mutts
joe will the rear end take a brake plate for a bolt on 990 by any chance.
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i'm sure i got the 125r off you mike :LolLolLolLol:
I sold my original Bicycle Moto Cross to a Geordie/Middlesboro dude who worked at Cycle Surgery and Yellow Jersey in London.
I sold my candy apple red 125R to someone from Sheffield. Is that you (Joe)?
I have loads of Standard stickers somewhere (I may even have an old style head tube sticker (S in an oval rather than a circle) and curvier downtube stickers (before Standard went all military)). The trouble is, where the fk are they?!
And if that frame you have was originally chrome, then it will almost certainly be a Bicycle Moto Cross as I don't ever recall Standard making the 125R in chrome (in fact I'm fairly positive they didn't).
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i'm sure i got the 125r off you mike :LolLolLolLol:
I sold my original Bicycle Moto Cross to a Geordie/Middlesboro dude who worked at Cycle Surgery and Yellow Jersey in London.
I sold my candy apple red 125R to someone from Sheffield. Is that you (Joe)?
I have loads of Standard stickers somewhere (I may even have an old style head tube sticker (S in an oval rather than a circle) and curvier downtube stickers (before Standard went all military)). The trouble is, where the fk are they?!
And if that frame you have was originally chrome, then it will almost certainly be a Bicycle Moto Cross as I don't ever recall Standard making the 125R in chrome (in fact I'm fairly positive they didn't).
hi mike i'm joe :LolLolLolLol:
the 125r is a pearl mate :daumenhoch: thanks for sorting it out for me,
a bit of a "grail" frame for me as i've always wanted one,
i had a 125motocross years ago phil "hudu" charnley still has it i think!, gorgeous frame equal to any ns ride :daumenhoch:
it might try and prise it back off him one day!
youre spot on about the chrome 125r :daumenhoch:
i've never seen or heard of one,
i'll happily buy all the standard stickers you have dude! i've become a bit of a sticker library!
i'm always happy to help folk out with them to finish off a build and i'm scanning them before hand so other folk can get proper re-pops 10 years down the line or whatever,
let me know what you think,
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If I come across the stickers, I will let you know.
The ones that came on my original motocross are very different to all the later Standard ones, so you will definitely want to scan those.
I've also got a head tube sticker with a snake/cobra on it. Have you seen that one?
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mmm that will look the mutts
joe will the rear end take a brake plate for a bolt on 990 by any chance.
i would prefer to use a chainstay mounted u-brake dan but the brace is way too small,
would i be taking thee piss if i put canti brakes on it?
or should i stick with v-brakes?
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i was going to look out for one ,and if i could lob the lugs of and afix a 990 as the v is to harsh and instant.
try them both see what works and looks better.
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Standard Bicycle Moto Cross frames were pretty much the beginning of new school, so embrace that by keeping the V-mounts on there and running v-brakes/cantilever braks, rather than cutting them off and retro/down grading to a u-brake or caliper.
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i just got told of :-[ :daumenhoch:
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If you struggle with the harshness of V-brakes then run an XTR or Avid speed dial lever which have an adjustment screw on them that you can "dial the feel" of the brakes in by changing the leverage ratio
:) DINGO :)
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If I come across the stickers, I will let you know.
The ones that came on my original motocross are very different to all the later Standard ones, so you will definitely want to scan those.
I've also got a head tube sticker with a snake/cobra on it. Have you seen that one?
that would be spot on dude :daumenhoch:
it might sound a bit daft but the whole scanning thing is to save folk lots of effort in the future!
seeing the lengths other members have gone to to replicate old stickers is crazy, colour matching,font,size,etc,etc, the big daddy sets anyone :LolLolLolLol:
i wont take the piss and do the current/recent ones though :daumenhoch: i'm not otu to piss rick off like :LolLolLolLol:
i know the cobra one you mean, i'd have that like a shot dude!
i've got three of the later "phoenix" stickers on there way from the usa but i'm shocked at how much i paid for them!
i'll scan these too if anyone needs them in the future,
heres the ones i planned to use on the bicyclemotocross survivor,
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sset001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/sset002.jpg)
should i not use them and find a more suitable dated frame?
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Joe, if you're trying to get the frames looking era correct, then I wouldn't waste the stickers you have. Wait until you get the right ones.
I'll let you know when I come across my Standard stickers.
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What a find! You lucky lucky man!
SOMEONE SELL ME SOME STANDARD STICKERS!!!!
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what's the serial number Joe out of interest?
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joe i just found this padset if you want them.
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/armmmmmmmmms140.jpg)
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Nice find !! thats one of the best feelings! gettin a hold of a diamond in the rough .
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what's the serial number Joe out of interest?
e95043
i'm seriously thinking about taking mikes advice and passing the decals set over,
maybe a re-chrome is on the cards and a chat to superbikedan about some clear red translucent powdercoat,
i've found a true 125bicyclemotocross that i'm going to try for so wish me luck :LolLolLolLol:
thanks for the offer of the pads dan,youre a star mate :daumenhoch:, can i work out the colour and let you know if i can use them? i have the red and yellow set to trade so... :daumenhoch:
cheers roller! i know what you mean dude, felt a bit bad not contacting the seller to let him know what it actually was that he was selling but hey!
its good that it got recognized and rescued (thanks to the cats that confirmed what it was for me, you know who you are :LolLolLolLol: )
and everybody for the help and advice too :daumenhoch:
the cranks are out!
just the post to go now :knuppel2:
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cool ,the posts are the best challenge.if its alloy costic soda will disolve it all out.
ps the standard pads are free you can have em .
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What a find! You lucky lucky man!
SOMEONE SELL ME SOME STANDARD STICKERS!!!!
Yeah! Someone sell Lazarou some Standard stickers!
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bung up the holes if there are any....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb121/beckyboo222/Picture034-1.jpg)
it take about 6 refills with a good strong mix.
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb121/beckyboo222/Picture039.jpg)
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i'm seriously thinking about taking mikes advice and passing the decals set over,
Joe, the SBC sticker in the top left hand corner of Laz's toolbox is the style of sticker the original Bicycle Moto Cross Stickers were. My dark grey BMX originally came with green stickers which looked crap, so I bought a second set in red when I picked up the frame from Custom Riders and changed them straight away. Maybe Custom Riders still have some as I can't imagine many people owned Standard Bicycle Moto Cross frames in the mid-90s (I only ever knew one other person with one and he bought it in America).
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb279/Lazarou6363/tb1.jpg)
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This was my 94 Bicycle Motocross the original stickers simply said Bicycle Motocross on the downtube and the headtube sticker was the same as the first generation STA sticker....
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb279/Lazarou6363/BMX.jpg)
......the rounder lettering stickers on the right were later (96)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb279/Lazarou6363/standard.jpg)
I'm sure i have a pic somewhere, i'll look it out...
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i have this type of set somewhere ,so i can get some re done if i have to .the ones that i carefully took of.
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/Image718-2.jpg)
a tad hard to make out.
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Yep, mine was a 96 Laz and had those blue style stickers but in green, then red.
I do recall the ones which just said Bicycle Moto Cross on the down tube from the back page of Snap mag. Never saw one in the flesh though.
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Yeah, like you say they were pretty rare over here to say the least!
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i think ygt has some pretty rare standard decals .
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That pic i put up is of YGT's decals, i'm after a first gen. STA set like the ones on the left of the pic.
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....but i'm also after ANY other Standard stickers. You could say i'm a fan, look at my leg!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/bb279/Lazarou6363/bigphoenix.jpg)
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Ah, but thats a 3rd gen Lazarou leg. The decals on the 2nd were much better! I prefered them to the decals on the 1st Gen Lazarou Leg, but there were only a few of them made, and most of those broke!
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Ah, but thats a 3rd gen Lazarou leg. The decals on the 2nd were much better! I prefered them to the decals on the 1st Gen Lazarou Leg, but there were only a few of them made, and most of those broke!
:LolLolLolLol:
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thats a fooking badass tattoo laz!
i always wantd that phoenix on one calf and the s&m shield on the other,
sbc forever dude :daumenhoch:
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Ive never got round to getting the shield done ... but its never too late, I should get it done. Esp as I managed to loose some of a shoulder tat on MK track last sunday!
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me to cant wait to get a set,this is a set along them lines.sorry pics are not good camera on the wrong setting
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_0575.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_0572.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_0574.jpg)
(http://)(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/d87/harris15570/100_0573.jpg)
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I'd like to get a dialled bikes "wings" logo tat one day.
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nice ink laz ;)
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nice ink laz ;)
would folk be interested in a set if i have some of these done?
cheers laz :daumenhoch:
that bicycle motocross is a peach, so is the sta dan :smitten:
that caustic soda shit scares me! i'll be honest!
how long does it take to eat the alloy?
why doesnt it affect the steel?
were going to have a look at pulling it tonight, i'm drilling a hole in the top f the post to put a bar through,
i thought about roping the frame to something solid and putting the winch on it! the risk of tearing the frame apart isnt worth it though :LolLolLolLol:
its been soaking in diesel all night so.....
,,,, i'll let you know how we go on :daumenhoch:
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the costic is quit fast and easy to use ,and doesnt affect the steel.just dont inhale or get hear your eyes
drill out as much as poss it will speed up the job.
and yes im up for a set of the decals as would a few others :)
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What a find! You lucky lucky man!
SOMEONE SELL ME SOME STANDARD STICKERS!!!!
Yeah! Someone sell Lazarou some Standard stickers!
what bike are they for papa sta?
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Yep, i've got one and another on the way, i'm really into getting some stickers done and it would be cool to share the cost but to be honest i'd prefer screenprinted over laser cut and would be prepared to pay more.
.....and i need more stickies for my cruiser.....
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with a quite large great fook off vice, and me stood on the bench its finally let go :knuppel2:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/stanad002.jpg)
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Thats almost the end of the backwards steps. Just the paint and then its forwards all the way!
Lookin good
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there was like 1 layer of paint on it so i couldnt resist!
theres a few scabby patches but its in good shape, no cracks, bends or re-welds, just a tiny dent on the inside c-stay,
the odd thing is the headtube has 2 stainless steel rings pressed onto it , top and bottom, where a more modern headtube would be machined :shocked:
next up!
re-chrome?
powder?
last pic for a while :LolLolLolLol:
i promise :daumenhoch:
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/strippedstan001.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/strippedstan002.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/strippedstan003.jpg)
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/strippedstan004.jpg)
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Thats come up really nice Joe, how about just building it up as it is :daumenhoch:
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Thats unreal! its come up so well. Good work.
Those rings are strange. People (S&M) were machining head tubes and BB shells before that frame was out so it wasnt a new thing. Im a bit surprised by that. I wonder if tey were an add-on (before or after the frame was sold)
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i think youre right bill :daumenhoch:
its survived remarkably well for all these years i might just leave it as it stands and build it up :shocked:
the rings are odd like, i've never seen anthing like them, theyre on nice and tight which made me think they could have been pressed on in the factory but i dunno :LolLolLolLol:
seems almost a shame to take them off,
i won a 125 bicycle moto cross with u-brake mount tonight too :idiot2:
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I'd send the pics to Standard and ask them....
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mine is a 96 and it didn't have those
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/c362/KCMOBMX/DSC02252.jpg)
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Thats came up mint Joe, leave as is :daumenhoch:
I remember people having those rings pressed onto alloy frames to stop headtubes flaring but never seen it on a cro mo one before
:) DINGO :)
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result joe :)
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thanks for the help guys :daumenhoch:
this is the 125 motocross i won the other night,
it'll get its correct sticker set :LolLolLolLol:
at last :daumenhoch:
i'm going to see about some re-pops for the chrome bicycle motocross,
and the 125r will get the 2007 sticker set.....................................................maybe :idiot2:
its gone to the coaters with another couple of frames today!
(http://www.radbmx.co.uk/archive/albums/g171/jarvicseven/57ea_1.JPG.jpg)
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Nice! What year is that one Joe? Are you sticking with the chrome on the '95? (i would). :daumenhoch:
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are they back yet :angel: needing to see some new builds boys
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My 98 Standard cruiser is nearly ready.........
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arrrr fresh meat to google over soon i hope
i need ideas as i have brain fog
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Nice! What year is that one Joe? Are you sticking with the chrome on the '95? (i would). :daumenhoch:
i'm going to leave it as it is after all that :LolLolLolLol:
sort the re-pops out and take it from there,
the true 125 bicycle motocross is up first, it might take a while to get here soo......
easy dan!! we cant all work as fast as you mate :LolLolLolLol:
:daumenhoch:
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i had a 125motocross years ago phil "hudu" charnley still has it i think!, gorgeous frame equal to any ns ride :daumenhoch:
it might try and prise it back off him one day!
Hey Joe, If you are still interested that 125 is still sat here in my loft going a funny colour. Make me an offer. The back doesn't follow the front as well as it used to - so this baby is a show beast only.
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i had a 125motocross years ago phil "hudu" charnley still has it i think!, gorgeous frame equal to any ns ride :daumenhoch:
it might try and prise it back off him one day!
Hey Joe, If you are still interested that 125 is still sat here in my loft going a funny colour. Make me an offer. The back doesn't follow the front as well as it used to - so this baby is a show beast only.
yo,yo,yo hudu! :shocked:
yes please holmes, i'm all over that 125 dude, i'll have it for defo mate :daumenhoch:
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